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Re: AMRIS Rodents & Rabbits Digest Number 182   Message List  
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..What about the fact that when they... for example, test a drug on a lab rat,
they state that "liver damage and death ocurred when the lab rat was given ten
times the average dose" which means that it would be even more misleading.
Humans would not be given ten times the average dose of something. I believe
that the Reeses (sp) monkey is genetically closer to humans than any animal.
Still, even if we had human test subjects, they would be inacurate and
misleading as each individual has a different chemical makeup, metabolism, etc.
What would be a more humane and acurate way of testing drug and product safety
and effectiveness.

Take Care,
Heather Gerquest

"Our strength is often composed of the weakness we're damned if we're going to
show."
-Mignon McLaughlin
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1. Re: Did you know? - Animal Testing - opinions wanted!!!
From: "Phil Clayton"
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Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:24:16 +1300
From: "Phil Clayton" <nzavs@...<mailto:nzavs@...>>
Subject: Re: Did you know? - Animal Testing - opinions wanted!!!


>
> Why would vivsectors carry on doing animal experiments if the
> evidence showed so clearly that animal experiments are misleading?
>

"Animal studies are done for legal reasons and not for scientific reasons.
The
predictive value of such studies for man is meaningless - which means our
research
may be meaningless."
(Dr James D. Gallagher, Journal of the American Medical Association, 14 March
1964.)

Animal experiments are used as an alibi for the multinational drug and
chemical
companies to protect their profits. They use results from animals (misleading
due to
differences between species) to get their products classed as 'safe' or
'effective' and
thus able to be marketed without fear of having to pay compensation when their
products have disastrous effects. Yet, if animal experiments (after the
product has
been released on the market) coincidentally suggest that the product has
harmful
effects, the company can claim that everyone knows that results from animals
can't
be applied to humans.

The intensive farming industry uses animal experiments in attempts to make
them
more productive (often at the expense of animal welfare); to test and produce
agricultural chemicals and animal remedies; in toxicological testing to try
and provide
'safety' levels of these chemicals for humans; and in nutritional testing to
try and
'show' that eating animal products is beneficial for the human diet.

Academic institutions encourage animal experiments as they provide an easy
method for publishing papers in journals. The 'reputation' and finances of
the
institutions and the vivisectors are maintained by numbers of papers
published.


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Phil Clayton, Director
NZ Anti-Vivisection Society (Inc.)
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PO Box 9387
Christchurch, New Zealand

ANIMAL RESEARCH T A K E S LIVES - Humans and Animals BOTH Suffer
Read this book on-line at:
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..What about the fact that when they... for example, test a drug on a lab rat, they state that "liver damage and death ocurred when the lab rat was given ten...
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I guess my response would have to be.....why do we need to test something at 10 times the norm??? ...I am a nurse and i know the value of research but to what...
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... See: http://www.nzavs.org.nz/alternatives.html and the link from that page. ... phil@... Phil Clayton, Director NZ Anti-Vivisection Society (Inc.)...
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