I guess my response would have to be.....why do we need to test something at
10 times the norm??? ...I am a nurse and i know the value of research but to
what extent???... should we give our animals a specific dose and if it
doesnt die then up the dose....to me thats murder...there are human guinea
pigs out there but they have to follow stringent guidelines so as not to
endanger life,...shouldnt this be the same for animals???....i have 8 rats
and god forbid if i ever hear about lab rats being abused.....god help the
abuser.....but im all for them finding a cure for cancer at the same
time...not only for humans but for rats as well...after all rats have a
higher instance of cancer than humans...but surely we can do this in a safe
and uncruel manner.
oh Heather....lol....dont get me started on this band wagon ill never get
off....lol
I LOVE MY ANIMALS
Deb

>From: "Heather Gerquest" <helgerquest@...>
>Reply-To: AMRIS_rodents_and_rabbits@...
>To: <AMRIS_rodents_and_rabbits@...>
>Subject: Re: AMRIS Rodents & Rabbits Digest Number 182
>Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:22:24 -0500
>
>..What about the fact that when they... for example, test a drug on a lab
>rat, they state that "liver damage and death ocurred when the lab rat was
>given ten times the average dose" which means that it would be even more
>misleading. Humans would not be given ten times the average dose of
>something. I believe that the Reeses (sp) monkey is genetically closer to
>humans than any animal. Still, even if we had human test subjects, they
>would be inacurate and misleading as each individual has a different
>chemical makeup, metabolism, etc. What would be a more humane and acurate
>way of testing drug and product safety and effectiveness.
>
> Take Care,
>Heather Gerquest
>
>"Our strength is often composed of the weakness we're damned if we're going
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> 1. Re: Did you know? - Animal Testing - opinions wanted!!!
> From: "Phil Clayton"
><nzavs@...<mailto:nzavs@...>>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:24:16 +1300
> From: "Phil Clayton"
><nzavs@...<mailto:nzavs@...>>
> Subject: Re: Did you know? - Animal Testing - opinions wanted!!!
>
>
> >
> > Why would vivsectors carry on doing animal experiments if the
> > evidence showed so clearly that animal experiments are misleading?
> >
>
> "Animal studies are done for legal reasons and not for scientific
>reasons. The
> predictive value of such studies for man is meaningless - which means
>our research
> may be meaningless."
> (Dr James D. Gallagher, Journal of the American Medical Association, 14
>March
> 1964.)
>
> Animal experiments are used as an alibi for the multinational drug and
>chemical
> companies to protect their profits. They use results from animals
>(misleading due to
> differences between species) to get their products classed as 'safe' or
>'effective' and
> thus able to be marketed without fear of having to pay compensation when
>their
> products have disastrous effects. Yet, if animal experiments (after the
>product has
> been released on the market) coincidentally suggest that the product has
>harmful
> effects, the company can claim that everyone knows that results from
>animals can't
> be applied to humans.
>
> The intensive farming industry uses animal experiments in attempts to
>make them
> more productive (often at the expense of animal welfare); to test and
>produce
> agricultural chemicals and animal remedies; in toxicological testing to
>try and provide
> 'safety' levels of these chemicals for humans; and in nutritional
>testing to try and
> 'show' that eating animal products is beneficial for the human diet.
>
> Academic institutions encourage animal experiments as they provide an
>easy
> method for publishing papers in journals. The 'reputation' and finances
>of the
> institutions and the vivisectors are maintained by numbers of papers
>published.
>
>
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> phil@...<mailto:phil@...>
> Phil Clayton, Director
> NZ Anti-Vivisection Society (Inc.)
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> ANIMAL RESEARCH T A K E S LIVES - Humans and Animals BOTH Suffer
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