Hi all l was wondering if anyone has some baby mice nearly ready or ready to
go - We have just buried James' parti coloured girl 'Runaway' who we have had
since April 2005 and' Crazy Jacqui' is the same age so l am not sure how much
longer we will have her but she needs a friend or 2 (female)! I am in Romsey
vic but realise we will have to travel - we saw some lovely show mice at Seymour
quite a few years ago and one of the other dog exhibitors bought James 'Dally'
who has also passed on. Pauline and James Freeman sunfire@...
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Hello!
My name is Spritely. I am a charming black hooded boy. I live with my
two bigger brothers, Stumpy and Sprocus. They are also black hooded
boys (who are slightly on the chubby side!).
Our Mama is going overseas to live and is stressing ridiculously about
finding us our new loving home. I know she hates the thought of
handing us over to someone else, so that's why I have taken matters
into my own little hands.
We are all well behaved, friendly and a little bit cheeky. We love our
hammocks and cuddling together, It's all we've ever known, so we don't
ever wanna be separated.
We need our exercise, at least an hour a day. (we've proven ourselves
to be great fly catchers too!) We've got a cage and mum can help you
get set up with our dry food mix, bedding and an info sheet on how to
keep us happy and healthy.
So, if you have some spare room for us three lads, please contact Mum.
0419 256 573, jlkrasnicki@...
You can also help us out by spreading the word. We're in Melbourne but
mum is willing to travel to find us the perfect home!
Thanks for reading,
Love, Spritely.
(on behalf of Jill Krasnicki)
We have a new video of mice using the new style wheel for the first
time. This one features Scruffy who is determined to get the hang of it
and often pushes her two friends out of the way....and uses them as landing
pads.
You can see it here: http://www.youtube.com/heretherebemice
Mouse Mom
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There is now a video of our mice at YouTube. They're trying to learn to
use a new kind of wheel and they're not very good at it, but they're cute
and funny and determined. This is our first video at YouTube and we want
to know what you think.
You can see it here: http://www.youtube.com/heretherebemice
Don't miss it! It's good for a few laughs, especially Sable.
Mouse Mom
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Hi! I am a big rat fan and i have 17 rats (3 girls, 4 boys and 10
babies) one of my dumbo male have recently started to bite me and i was
wondering whether or not you could help me figure out why? When i
handle him, i wash my hands before hand so there are no smells. e is
all cuddly one minute and the next he wants to take my finger off!!
Please Help :( xx
Oh Boy, Oh Boy - A Look at Male Rats
By Rebekah Blackwolf
Founder of the Australian Mouse and Rat Information Service.
It does not seem fortunate to be born a rat in a human plagued world.
More so, it is even less lucky to be born a male rat. Rat owners will
agree that our lovable choice of pet is often discriminated against;
however, it is the male rat who is the most misunderstood.
Many breeders are finding it harder to get homes for boy rats than
for girls. It is not uncommon for breeders to house more females than
males, leaving them with excess male rats who either become neglected
through lack of handling or become 'feeders' (sold as reptile food).
Pet shops favour selling their male rats and mice cheaper to
customers who want them as reptile food, finding female rodents can
be sold for a higher cost as they are more popular for pets.
While working in Pets Paradise - a well known pet shop chain here in
Australia - I found it was common practise for male rats and mice to
be sold for reptile food. This was due to the fact that (to quote my
former boss): "Nobody wants them as pets. They all want girls".
The Australian Mouse and Rat Information Service is always left with
more males to foster than females. Ironically enough, I have found
that males are the more gentle of both sexes.
One of the reasons for male rats being unpopular seems to stem from
their close relative the MOUSE. Basically Micky stinks, while Mini
does not. The sales pitch I have heard in pets shops for rodents
is, "The females do not have the odour that the males do". This
applies to selling rats too.
Yes, male mice do have a tangy scent. People who do not know rodents
well seem to assume the same goes with male rats too, when infact
male rats do not have as strong a scent as mice.
Siam, my siamese mouse, does have an odour typical to male mice, but
this is no problem if his home is cleaned regularly. Basquait, my old
foster boy rat, does not have an odour at all.
With mice and rats there are some simple tips to keep away
unnecessary odours. Make sure their nesting material and litter does
not become damp. Avoid feeding them meat, diary products or too much
watery green vegetables - such as lettuce. Meat should be avoided in
particular as it makes their poo stink - to be blunt. Another tip is
to avoid rice hulls as litter. Although I have not experienced this
myself, apparently if mice or rats eat this, it makes their poo very
smelly and runny.
The next reason male rats seem unpopular is the myth that they are
more aggressive than females. Rats are colony animals and one of the
few species whose males do not drive away adolescent males when they
come of age. Unlike buck deers and horse stallions, male rats allow
other males born into the colony to continue living in the family
unit for as long as they choose to.
Adult male rats introduced as strangers tend to fight, and sometimes
it is best to keep them seperate. However I have quite a few success
stories where male rats have learned to get along after a few days of
minor scuffles.
Male rats have quite a stable nature. Of the genus 'rattus
norvegicus' (of which our domestic rats come from) it is the female
who is more likely to fight and bite. In the wild it is the female
who does the fighting to protect the nest and her young. It is also
said to be the female who is more likely to kill her own species than
the male.
Instinct is still strong in rats when it comes to the ways of their
wild ancestors. Both male and female domestic rats can become
aggressive if neglected of handling and proper care by their owners.
Pet rats are quick to return to their wild-rat ways if left for too
long without human attention.
The last reason for not wanting a male rat, and one I hear about more
than the smell, is their testicles. Yes, those hairless jelly-beans,
which seem way too big for the needs of one rat, can look
rather...well..lets say....yucky! They do not hide discreetly away
when not in use, rather they are stick out like a portable two-seater
couch. Some claimed 'rat lovers' who do like rats, still cannot seem
to stomach the sight of these attributes and favour the more neat and
compact female instead.
You must understand that male rats have to fertilise a lot of eggs
inside the female, and often have to perform such tasks every month
with many, many females. Therefore, male rats need
enough 'ammunition', so hence the 'larger than most' size. After all,
rats would not be such 'prolific' breeders if it weren't for those
testicles.
If you love your male rat, then size does not matter, rather it is
personality which makes him a great pet. However, if you wish to keep
him in a mixed home of males and females and do not want babies, or
you really cannot handle the sight of his testicles, then a vet can
desex him for you. Make sure your vet is experienced with small
animals so there is less risk of complications during surgery,
particularly with the correct dosage of anesthestic.
Personally, I have never had a problem with aggression in my male
rats. I actually find them a lot more relaxed and less 'frantic' than
the females. Both males and females will make equally good pets if
handled gently, with respect for their vunerablities and compassion
towards their needs for attention and general care.
To find out more about the Australian Mouse and Rat Information
Service, please visit;
http://www.geocities.com/petsburgh/reserve/5824
Well it looks like we are starting anew!
Sorry to all our members but it seems that our entire message list has
been deleated.
Yhis problem is being delt with by Yahoo.
However this means we'll be starting our messages and information
archives from the beginning.
I appoligise to all members who have posted advertisements for homes
and have asked questions inside the club.
Please post these again.
Any problems please email me directly at:
lady_azurewolf@...
thanks for your understanding,
Rebekah Blackwolf-Mitchell
club founder.
Anyone and everyone is welcome to join this club.
However, if you start posting unrelated SPAM you will be reported.
We don NOT want advertisements for medical items and dateing services.
This club is only for those who are interested in mice, rats, rabbits
and guinea pigs.
If you are a club member and are concerned that someone is posting
rude, sexsual or unrelated spam messages inside this club - PLEASE
report it to me at:
lady_azurewolf@... - as well as to Yahoo.
I, Rebekah Blackwolf-Mitchell, as founder of this club wish for
everyone to enjoy their time here and to have fun learning about the
animals mentioned in this club.
I DO NOT tolerate SPAM which upsets my group members.
Here is an article which warrants opinions.
If you go to Ninemsn today, you'll notice they are using a photo of
an adult mouse! and not a rat - despite the title.
Pill curbs alcohol addiction: study
Thursday Jul 12 12:00 AEST
By ninemsn staff
Researchers in the US claim a pill designed to stop people from
smoking may also curb alcohol addiction.
Varenicline, made by pharmaceutical giant Pfizer and marketed as
Chantix, is sold as a pill in the US to help smokers kick their
habit. Research undertaken by the University of California suggests
the pill could also help alcoholics combat their cravings.
"The biggest thrill is that this drug, which has already proved safe
for people trying to stop smoking, is now a potential drug to fight
alcohol dependence," said researcher Selena Bartlett.
Researchers gave 18 rats alcohol on an irregular basis for four
months — in total 37 binge-drinking sessions — and found a 50 percent
drop in cravings for those rodents taking Varenicline.
Even when taken off the drug, the formerly booze-addicted rats did
not immediately return to drinking.
"That's because we believe [the drug] is turning down the [brain's]
reward system," Dr Bartlett said.
The good news for human application is that the drug lasts longer in
our system, researchers claim.
"In rats, the drug only lasts for a few hours," Dr Bartlett said. "In
humans, it lasts 24 hours."
The drug, widely sold in the US and Europe, would need approval by
the US Food and Drug administration (FDA) to be used by people trying
to give up drinking.
A spokesperson for Pfizer would not say if the company will seek
approval from the FDA for use with alcoholics.
The drug has been approved the Australia's Therapeutic Goods
Administration (TGA) though is not yet commercially available.
It is also unclear whether or not Pfizer would need further approval
from the TGA to market the drug to Australians trying to give up
drinking.
Rats may be the least expensive and best suited animal to sniff out
land-mines, according to Apopo, a Belgian research group.
Researchers working with African giant pouched rats for the past six
years recently announced that the rodents can pinpoint the exact
location of land-mines.
"Rats have certain advantages over dogs, which are often used for
detection purposes," stated Christophe Cox, a chief technical engineer
at Apopo. "They have a better sence of smell (and) are cheaper to keep
and maintain."
In lab tests, rats can detect dynamite scents in soil samples and
sit beside the odor, waiting for a food reward.
The researches are taking advantage of the rat's natural behavior
when the rodents bury food in the wild and use their sence of smell to
find it later.
The rats may be sniffing for reeal land-mines within two years.
The Animals Agenda
March/April 2000
General Hospital in Victoria, British Columbia, has changed its
plans since announcing in July that it would exterminate the 700
rabbits (offspring of abandoned pets) who inhabit its grounds.
Hospital officials were concerned that the abundance of bunny
droppings being tracked into the hospital were a health risk, and that
underground burrows were weakening the buildings fundations.
Animal activists, and the local society for the prevention of
cruelty to animals reacted by establishing an adoption program, and
successfully placed more than 400 rabbits in good homes.
The nearby Seattle chapter of the House Rabbit Society plans to
bring the remaining bunnies to the United States to continue the
adoption process.
The Animals Agenda - November/December 1999
After several years of protesting a gambling game that tortures
rats, the Animals Rights Community of Greater Cincinnati succeeded in
having the rat-spinning contests permanently withdrawn from all
Catholic church festivals within the city.
"Whats to keep someone from going home and putting their cat in the
dryer? The church said it was okay to spin animals" stated Jayn
Meinhardt, a group member concerned about the event's ramifications.
The outlawed game involved placing a rat on a roulette wheel,
covering his head, spinning him until he's dizzy and then uncovering
the rat so that he would stumble into a winning hole.
The Animals Agenda
September/October 2000
Rat Pack free info kit.
Produced by Animalearn. 9 pages, a poster, stickers, free to children
and teachers.
Designed for use with children ages 6 to 13, the kit teaches kids
about rats and mice, encouraging empathy and respect for these often
neglected animals. In these pages, children come to understand that
rats and mice are living, feeling creatures, with their own lives and
place in the ecosystem, not just pesky pests.
Kids and teachers are invitted to join The Rat Pack by respecting
rodents -using humane traps, not participating in dissection, buying
cruelty-free products abd spreading the word to their friends and
families about these cool critters.
Contact: Animalearn Dept.
Animal's Agenda
801 Old York rd,
Ste.204, Jenkintown, PA 19046-1685 USA
or email: aavsal@...
I have 3 baby rats in need of a good home. They have been handled
since birth and are very friendly. I have 1 boy, 2 girls. they have
been separated (boys and girls) since they are now five weeks old. Any
chance of homes?? Regards, Megan Rush
please email: Megan care of lady_azurewolf@...
Hi ya guys!
Anyone looking for some new spunky boys to add to your family?
These guys were "rescued" from a very nasty pet shop (i know, i know!
But, I just couldn't leave them there... It was beyond horrible)
I took them home about 2-3 months ago. They sat in the carrier, and I
was literally trying to drive with my head out the window, the STUNK
so bad! I don't know what they were eating but it really messed with
their stomachs. Their cage was cleaned every day to keep the smell at
bay. They also bit my hands as they were very frightened.
But now they are new men, ready to move on to their new happy home!
It would be ideal if these guys could stay together as that's all they
have known.
They have been nicknamed Stumpy (He's the chubby one), Sprocus (who's
the scardy rat out them all) & Spritely (the littlest one with the
most courage).
They can be handled now, they're well fed and looking healthy. They
love nothing more at the moment to snuggle with each other to keep
warm in the cold weather.
I have them in a temporary self-made cage. It's fine, just a bit
messy, which I'm happy to give to the new owners. Or I can help them
build a better cage which would be a hell of a lot cheaper than a
store bought one.
Please feel free to contact me for more information.
jlkrasnicki@...
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Jill
Melbourne.
Hello all!
I recieved another delivery of rats needing loving homes.
One is a mother with 14 babies. They look as if they'll be honey gold
in colour and will be ready for housing in 5 to 6 weeks.
These will cost $5 each, as they are young and also the fee helps cover
the care and vet treatment of other rat-rescues.
However, I do have 3 young adult males who are very friendly (from the
same family) who are FREE to good homes right now!.
In two week time we will also have 5 adult females ready for new homes
and these too will be FREE!.
Please phone between 10.00am and 8.00pm weekdays on 03 9886 5327.
Adoption days are every second Saturday (a fortnightly basis) and every
Thursday evening. We are located in Blackburn South Victoria.
Hey everyone
I run a guinea pig resort and i take homeless guinea pigs, i live on
the yorke peninsula , south australia and i will pick up from
adelaide, if for what ever reson you can no longer have you guinea
pigs i eill be more then happy to take them of your hand, I will be
able to find them a lovinghome as i work closly with the local vet
clinics down my way. just send me a email and i will see ehat we can
do you and youe little cavys
regard catherine
Yes! YES!! I know exactly what you mean!
It is only people that think outside the square that can see that ALL
animals are equal. The brutal death of a mouse or rat is no less
disgusting and disturbing than any other animal going through the same
thing.
We must educate people that these little fellows all have personality,
feelings (duh!) & deserve the same respect as any other creature.
I have a pleasant memory of living in a house where there was a wild
rat who also decided he'd move in...
Me & my house mate came home to find 3 apples laying on the ground.
Chunks of each apple had been biten (cheeky thing!). He'd made his
home under the floor boards under the bath, we didn't see him much.
Except one night... I was walking into the kitchen and he was walking
out! From a birds eye view it must have looked very funny! We both saw
each other and in pure shock both ran the way we'd come. (He was a big
rat!)
He hid under the stove, we opened the back door and got him out. A few
days later he returned. We locked up our food and eventually he went
on his way. We never considered using poison, what would be the point?
He was no harm to anyone, didn't even make a mess (exept for the few
apples)! Proof we can all live in harmony!
Jill
--- In AMRIS_rodents_and_rabbits@..., "Rebekah
Blackwolf Mitchell" <lady_azurewolf@...> wrote:
>
> When we are asked about our feelings on animal welfare and cruelty
> we rarely consider the rat or mouse.
> Yet thousands are used in experiments and hundreds kept as pets.
> Did you know that these poor, misunderstood creatures are not even
> included in the Animal Welfare Act other than what it allows
> for "housing" of such "small animals"?
> Beat a rat to death and you'll find most people wouldn't even want
> to hear about it. Beat a cat to death and 99% of the responses would
> be of disgust and anger.
> If we used the same control methods on dogs or cats, as those sold
> in supermarkets for rodents, there would be public outcry.
> The RSPCA would be provoked to voice it's outrage all over the
> media and "animal lovers" would be in tears.
> Yet, unfortuneatly, some of these very same self-proffessed animal
> lovers are among the first to rush out and by commercial rodenticide
> at the very hint of a wild rodent.
> Feral cats get shot, quick and painless, or are trapped and
> euthanised by a pond veterinarian and people are disgusted by the
> waste of life.
> Rats and mice endure 3 to 5 days of internal bleeding, and the
> slow starvation of their orphan babies and no one could heave a sigh
> it often seems.
> Inside this club we hope to promote a more humane way of treating
> all creatures and especially defend the humble rats and mice of the
> world.
> founder: Rebekah Blackwolf-Mitchell.
>
Upmarket Pets, 440 Queen Street, Melbourne. > It's time to give these
guys a wake up call!
Please read my letter below.
If you agree with what's been said, please support my letter, send me
an email jlkrasnicki@...
Put `UPMARKET PETS' in the subject field.
In your email express your concern for these animals. Highlight these
points:
> Bad for business, word of mouth
> Unlikely to shop there unless something changes
> Health concerns for the animals
And, be sure to use the title of the shop `Upmarket Pets' in your
email and please address the letter to Mary Kirby (manager).
Sign off with your name, suburb and email address.
I need your emails to back my letter to make a stronger impact!
Please pass this around to friends, family and colleagues. The
deadline is Thursday, 24th of May, 2007.
I want to be able to send the letters off on the following Friday.
Let's stand tall for the little guys!
Many Thanks,
Jill Krasnicki
jlkrasnicki@...
Letter below:
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Dear Mary Kirby,
Firstly I would like to take this opportunity to commend you on your
pet shop, Upmarket Pets on Queen Street, Melbourme.
I have found the staff to be approachable and friendly, each staff
member offering the relevant advice and help.
Your store offers a wide range of products and treats which I have
found to be reliable and of top quality.
I have taken the time to write to you today in regards to your small
animal section.
Unfortunately, this is where your store lacks thoughtfulness.
I find it distressing to see that your rats, mice, guinea pigs and
rabbits are kept with the birds.
These animals have highly developed hearing in high frequencies. The
sound of birds squawking would be ear piercing and extremely stressful.
I have found the cages for these small animals are unsatisfactory and
the stench of the room is unbearable (which your staff have reacted
badly to on different occasions).
Positive Steps:
> Discontinue selling the above mentioned pets in your store.
(http://www.saynotoanimalsinpetshops.com)
If you are intent on selling these animals, the following steps would
benefit your store and the animals:
> Move the small animals out of the bird section
> Mice to be moved into a wire cage (not a tank) for ventilation
> Rats be moved from the corner, into a more suitable cage and into
public view
> All cages to be clean with fresh food and water available.
> The room and all cages to be ventilated
> Accurate Information Sheets about these pets to be available to the
buyers
I have bought small pets from you on several occasions. When home I
have found their health and temperament to be in bad shape. I believe
this is in relation to the poor conditions they are housed in while at
your store.
Please find attached, emails from concerned customers and the general
public.
I encourage you to consider the above mentioned. This sort of
attention will not be beneficial for your business but that is not my
intention. I urge you to put these points into action so that I (and
those attached) can continue shopping at your store and so that is
matter does not need to go any further.
I thank you for your time and look forward to seeing some positive
changes in your store.
Regards,
Jill Krasnicki
Pascoe Vale South
jlkrasnicki@...
When we are asked about our feelings on animal welfare and cruelty
we rarely consider the rat or mouse.
Yet thousands are used in experiments and hundreds kept as pets.
Did you know that these poor, misunderstood creatures are not even
included in the Animal Welfare Act other than what it allows
for "housing" of such "small animals"?
Beat a rat to death and you'll find most people wouldn't even want
to hear about it. Beat a cat to death and 99% of the responses would
be of disgust and anger.
If we used the same control methods on dogs or cats, as those sold
in supermarkets for rodents, there would be public outcry.
The RSPCA would be provoked to voice it's outrage all over the
media and "animal lovers" would be in tears.
Yet, unfortuneatly, some of these very same self-proffessed animal
lovers are among the first to rush out and by commercial rodenticide
at the very hint of a wild rodent.
Feral cats get shot, quick and painless, or are trapped and
euthanised by a pond veterinarian and people are disgusted by the
waste of life.
Rats and mice endure 3 to 5 days of internal bleeding, and the
slow starvation of their orphan babies and no one could heave a sigh
it often seems.
Inside this club we hope to promote a more humane way of treating
all creatures and especially defend the humble rats and mice of the
world.
founder: Rebekah Blackwolf-Mitchell.
Jill that is fantastic...yes please share the letter with the group.
Your passion for animals, especially these rats, is exactly why this
group was started and we need more people like you.
I'll be more than happy to put my name to your letter!
Cheers, Rebekah Blackwolf-Mitchell - group founder.
Hello All,
Thought I best introduce myself as I have just joined this group.
My name is Jill and I live in Victoria. I have two Rabbits, Mr Bun &
Lupine (they are luuuver bunnies!). They live in my lounge room!
I also have 5 male rats. From Biggest to Smallest, they are: Sherbet,
Monkey, Stumpy, Sprocus & Spritely.
I "rescued" these guys from a petshop that was keeping them in
terrible conditions.
I am currently writing a letter to the petshop and looking for support
to back it. All that's needed is a quick email to me so that I can
pass it on with my letter.
I will post the letter, so that you can read it, in a new post.
Would anyone be interested in that?
Anyway, look forward to chatting with you all.
Cheers,
Jill
The Whitehorse edition of Coffee News is running our Recycle A Rodent ad.
This should greatly increase traffic inside this club with more
viewers of your own ads.
visit
http://www.coffeenewsvictoria.com/amris/
cheers Rebekah.