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SV: [ClimateChangeAction] Re: Wind turbines kill one bird - humans ten thousand

Hi John, Peter and all others.
I just want to give my agreements in this discussion, adding that most
people have windows in their houses, and how many birds do fly into the
glasses and get killed? Or badly hurted? Just a comment...
Anna Sternfeldt

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Hi John,

My golly, you've put this SO well!

Them's my own thoughts too, but I could not have put them better than
you have below.

I'm one who values all life except flies, but I even feel guilty
spraying them horrible little critters because I can imagine myself in
their position.

If we decide against wind power then we are left with photovoltaics.
These marvellous (but as yet far too expensive) modules just sit there
injuring no creature. Mind you, it's a bit the other way around
actually - when birds poop on them.

I yearn for the greater developments of photovoltaics and wish
Australia would take the lead in this so efficiently that we become
suppliers to the world.

Peter Bright
tasmania

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Dear Anne:

A lesser evil is still an evil but it is, as we know, a lesser evil
and, therefore, unless we have better alternatives, and we are forced
to make a choice, the lesser evil is the way to go.

Coal, nuclear, and oil-fired power plants all kill far more than the
occasional bird.

This is not to say we shouldn't think hard about how to make them
windmills less likely to kill birds. Apparently, the new ones have
slower-moving blades which are likely to cause less trouble and there
are ways of making the blades more visible, and more visibly moving
and dangerous, to scare birds off.

To live in this world it is impossible to not kill other creatures -
the point is to keep it to a minimum and keep thinking about how to
reduce the incidents still further.

John the Sinner Hill






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Peter Bright
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Apr 3, 2007
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one for every ten thousand looks like about 50,000 birds per year according to the figures in that link -- did anyone bother to count the huge number of...
Boris Branwhite
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Apr 3, 2007
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Welcome, Boris :-) I totally agree... a "lesser evil" is still an evil. I have commented on the article - "concerned mum". ...
Anne Goddard
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Apr 4, 2007
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Dear Anne: A lesser evil is still an evil but it is, as we know, a lesser evil and, therefore, unless we have better alternatives, and we are forced to make a...
John Hill
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Apr 4, 2007
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Hi John, My golly, you've put this SO well! Them's my own thoughts too, but I could not have put them better than you have below. I'm one who values all life...
Peter Bright
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Apr 4, 2007
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Hi John, Peter and all others. I just want to give my agreements in this discussion, adding that most people have windows in their houses, and how many birds...
A Sternfeldt
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Apr 4, 2007
9:55 pm

Good morning Anna, Thankyou for this important comment about a valid point I had not considered. Do you have views on the use of solar modules on every...
Peter Bright
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Apr 4, 2007
10:29 pm

Hi Peter, well, my comment about the windows in houses was just to say that birds are dying in many ways, and that they are dying flying into our windows do...
A Sternfeldt
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Apr 5, 2007
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well seeing we rely on our environment to survive, and dead birds are an indicator of how our environment is coping, i would much rather see a...
Boris Branwhite
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LOBBY....!!!! ... From: Peter Bright To: ClimateChangeAction@... Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:29 AM Subject: SV: [ClimateChangeAction] Re:...
Anne Goddard
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Apr 4, 2007
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Hi Peter! I notice your letter is addressed to Anna but I thought I might say hello and add my approval to your suggestion I couldn't agree with you more -...
John Hill
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Apr 5, 2007
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Good morning John, It's always good to hear from you. I have more to say on this topic but first I'd like to know a few brief technical details of your solar...
Peter Bright
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