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Re: Is solar hydrogen feasible?

Thankyou Bob,

This comment of yours sums your view nicely:

" .. I have read the article, and am impressed by its accuracy and
thoroughness .. "

It's the sort of evaluation I was hoping for.

Best wishes,

Peter Bright
Glenorchy
Tasmania






--- In ClimateChangeAction@..., Dr Bob Rich
<bobrich@...> wrote:
>
> >Spliting hydrogen & oxygen from water requires a minmum of 1.7
> volts input, with a return of 1.23 volts.Thus 0.47 volts consumed.
>
> I am not just nitpicking here. But this comment is like a surgeon
> using scissors when a scalpel is needed. I wouldn't go to such a
> surgeon.
> A volt not a measure of anything that can be consumed. That's
amps,
> which is a measure of current, or watts, which is power (A*V).
Think
> of a river. Amps are the volume of water passing any mark at any
> time. Volts are the slope of the river. Watts is the total push
this
> amount of water will be able to exert on an obstacle, given the
slope.
> I have read the article, and am impressed by its accuracy
and
> thoroughness. It expresses all my reservations about gaseous
hydrogen
> as an energy storing mechanism (it is not a source, but a sort of
a
> battery). My only disagreement with the writer is his approval of
> fuel alcohol. No amount of fuel alcohol can do more than dent the
> problem, and its generation will inevitably cause food shortages
by
> taking up land. Some can be generated from agricultural wastes,
but
> only by using farming practices that mine the soil and use
artificial
> fertiliser. But artificial fertilisers are heavily sourced from
> fossil fuels. Those 'agricultural wastes' should be returned to
the
> soil to feed it.
> The only solution is to end humanity's addiction to moving
things
> and people around.
> :(
> Bob
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> Dr Bob Rich
> http://bobswriting.com
> http://anxietyanddepression-help.com
> http://mudsmith.net
> Commit random acts of kindness
> ---------------------------------------------------
>





Tue Jul 8, 2008 2:44 pm

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I thought solar hydrogen would be the best solution, but then I read this article again: http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/the-hydrogen-hoax ...
Peter Bright
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Jul 6, 2008
7:51 am

I digress. IMO, hydrogen as motor fuel extracted via electrolysis of hot brine from solar (thermal or PV), wind or geothermal electricity sources is the only...
greg hopwood
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Jul 6, 2008
12:37 pm

Hi Greg, Thankyou for this input. Although I have a Diploma in Physics I rue my ignorance in gaseous matters. Peter Bright Tasmania ... hot brine from...
Peter Bright
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Jul 7, 2008
9:11 am

... volts input, with a return of 1.23 volts.Thus 0.47 volts consumed. I am not just nitpicking here. But this comment is like a surgeon using scissors when a...
Dr Bob Rich
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Jul 8, 2008
10:37 am

Thankyou Bob, This comment of yours sums your view nicely: " .. I have read the article, and am impressed by its accuracy and thoroughness .. " It's the sort...
Peter Bright
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Jul 8, 2008
2:44 pm

I've heard this argument before, except usually the complaint is watts rather than volts are the measure to use, and it always omits that energy input for...
greg hopwood
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Jul 8, 2008
7:50 pm

Thankyou Greg, For alerting me to the writer's bias. Peter ... Volts ... a ... voltage ... volts sustaining 6 Watts. ... (@ 900oC) or diesel (@ 600oC) with...
Peter Bright
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Jul 8, 2008
11:45 pm

... If that makes you feel better... I have nothing against volts, only against confusion and ignorance. ... Bob ... Dr Bob Rich http://bobswriting.com ...
Dr Bob Rich
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Jul 10, 2008
12:07 am

It's not about feeling better. It's about being factual. And the fact is you had your Amps and Watts mixed up Bob. Have a look at an electricity bill if you...
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Jul 11, 2008
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