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Heterosexuals Destroyed Marriage and Caused Homosexuality!,more

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pretribbersonly/message/11294

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I AM SO GLAD Mr. Patrick Johnston is giving credence to the info at my links, in reply to his article that I also edited. Sadly, most men (probably women, too, but it seems like it's mostly men who write about being 'pro-life', really meaning anti-abortion, not too much more) who receive notice of the REAL factors about this topic don't react well or even logically. When it is all said and done, the politicians and judiciaries who would ban abortion rights completely and even give the death penalty to those who perform the procedure, including the women who are or were pregnant, are not going to achieve their purposes, particularly in early abortions. Also, as long as "Christian" men, and I do mean the males, advocate or practice fornication and adultery, in any and all forms, and defile the sancity of marriage and women, etc., illicit sex will continue. The women alone will not prevent it. Young stupid women 'do it for the boys', or for the men, and as long as we have (biological) fatherlessness, even more so. The biggest age for women to be alone and pregnant is between 18-23, although it probably has both lowered and raised in recent decades, and there is no way any law will stop abortions. Even when abortions were illegal in the 1960s and before, there were many problems associated with not having access to safe legal abortions. Now fornication and adultery has escalated to a level far beyond what it was then, along with open pornography, older men with younger women, divorce, anti-Christian spirit, abuses of women (and children), irresponsible men and husbandlessness, fatherlessness, illegitimate births, poverty in women (and children), heterosexual unmarried cohabitation (shack-ups), women being forced to be employed outside of the homes, 'latch-key' children, illiteracy in 'educated' students, and terrible brainwashing from 'public' schools, etc., etc., etc... and of course, homosex. The difference in Mr. Johnston's outlook and mine is that we both agree about heterosexual irresponsible practices lead to homosexuality, but I also believe that heterosexual irresponsible practices lead to abortions. That it is a 'result', not a 'cause', and the very same things we need to address to get 'the list' halted and backed up include THAT result. No way are you going to keep women from abortions as long as they are abandoned and pregnant. That is not only a terrifying situation, but impossible to think about going through with the complete pregnancy, in most instances where abortions are sought. I know for a fact that any woman, at least during the first trimester of pregnancy, can secure the information about how to 'do-it-yourself', and planned parenthood, etc., may not end up making the money, 'baby parts' may not be bought and sold so freely, etc., but in this age of info, women will find out more than they did in the 1960s and before. Especially when we don't have laws forcing men to marry, provide financial support, etc. The 'honor' system that made men MEN in the 1960s and before isn't there anymore, so much. (And people forgot how to BLUSH!)

Thank you, Mr. Johnston, for sending a reasonable reply, at least not as hostile as I expected. --"Cheyenne Cin"- P.S. AGAIN, the reminder that GOD NEVER MENTIONS ABORTION in the Bible, nor is there ever a mention of women giving up biological babies to adoption, never to be seen again. These are MAN-MADE horrible solutions!-