Biblical contest:
Polygamy (Polygyny-the kind of Polygamy that ONLY Allows IT FOR MEN)
Key question: What does it mean that he is to be the husband of one wife? The phrase "husband of one wife" is literally a "one-woman man" in the original...
Key question: What does it mean that he is to be the husband of one wife?
The phrase "husband of one wife" is literally a "one-woman man" in the
original Greek...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pretribonly/message/7796
====
Key question: What does it mean that he is to be the husband of one wife?
The phrase "husband of one wife" is literally a "one-woman man" in the
original Greek (mia/j gunaiko.j a;ndra - mias gynaikos andra). The
emphasis in the Greek language ison the word "one," as it is found in the
emphatic position.
The Man of God cannot be a Polygamist.
Polygamy is having more than one wife. This view understands the passage
as prohibiting polygamy for the life of a leader...only one wife at a
time. But this could hardly be Paul's thought here. Polygamy is a sin
that is forbidden for all, not just pastors. From the beginning of
creation, God said that a man and woman were to leave and cleave together
and become one flesh (Gen 2:20-25). It is very doubtful that there were
leaders in Crete or Ephesus who had two wives. Even Jewish law forbids
this. This cannot be a consideration.
I know men who have been married to only "one woman" their whole married
life, but aren't characterized as one-woman men. Maybe the man is married
to one wife but the lover of two or three either in his heart's affects
or outright physical actions?
What does it mean to be the husband of one wife? Answer: The man of God
must be a "one-woman man"! (This, as mentioned above, is the literal
interpretation of the text) The man must be exclusively devoted to his
wife in thought, desire and action. In other words, monogamy is not
enough!
Viewed this way, Paul is not so much referring to the marital status of
an elder/deacon as seen on a document, but to a Biblical character trait
of a man's heart. The phrase implies loyalty and faithfulness. The man
must be characterized as a one-woman man, who is exclusively and totally
devoted to his wife. This man is not flirtatious or promiscuous. The man
is not involved in any questionable relationship with any other woman.
Alexander Strauch says: "This man must have an exclusive relationship to
the woman. A one-woman man is a man above reproach in the marital
relationship as well as all other male/female relationships. The man of
God must be a man of unquestioned morality."
Kenneth Wuest, the Greek scholar said: "The elder should be a man
who loves only one woman as his wife. It should be his nature to isolate
and centralize his love."
A man who is a "looker," apart from any physical adultery, has
already committed adultery in his heart and is thereby not a one-woman
man. Jesus spoke on this subject with extreme clarity when he said...
"Everyone who looks on a woman to lust for her has committed adultery in
his heart." (Matt 5:28)
The key questions to ask regarding a man's character in relation to
his wife are...
Are you a flirt?
Are you known as a ladies-man?
Are you a looker? (do you look twice or once too long?)
Are you fantasizing about other women in your heart?
Are you training yourself to be a one-woman man?
John MacArthur stated here.... "For the most part, evangelical
Christianity during this century has focused on the battle for doctrinal
purity, and it should, but we are losing the battle for moral purity. We
have people with the right theology who are living impure. God's standard
cannot be lowered for the sake of sympathy. All battles for the integrity
of Scripture are ultimately in vain if the church's preachers are corrupt
and the sheep no longer follow their shepherds as models of holiness. The
church must have leaders who are above reproach. Anything less is an
abomination to God and spells disaster for the life of the church."
(Rediscovering Pastoral Ministry, John MacArthur p. 89)
This doesn't mean that a man who has sinned this way can never be
forgiven...(not at all). It simply means that only a man who is morally
pure and faithfully devoted to his wife is qualified to serve in the
office of an elder or deacon.
Was this not Paul's fear? Paul knew that this type of sin could morally
disqualify him from his office. I Cor 9:27 - "But I buffet my body and
make it my slave, lest possibly, after I have preached to others, I
myself should be disqualified".
CONCLUSIONS:
It does not seem possible that, by Paul's phrase in 1 Timothy 3:2, he
intends to hold a man's pre-conversion sins against him (see 1 Pet. 4:3;
Eph. 2:2; 4:17ff; 1 Cor. 12:2; Col 3:7). To judge a man's spiritual
qualities on the basis of a sin committed before he was saved, before he
was capable of understanding God's will or Word, and before he has the
power of Christ's life within him is to create a false standard that
detracts from God's wonderful grace and which also fails to deal with the
real issue of 1 Timothy 3. It must be stated however, that like some
other pre-conversion sins, a divorced and remarried man might be in a
vulnerable condition, which could lead to embarrassing circumstances or
subtle reproach.
Regardless of one's view on divorce and remarriage, an acting
elder/deacon who divorces while in office is under reproach and must be
disqualified. The issue is not whether God forgives divorced people (of
course) or whether a divorced person can serve God (of course he can).
The real issue in this instance is the leader's public reproach on God's
glory and the testimony of the church.
Elders and Deacons must be devoted to their marital purity to be accepted
into the office of church leadership and must stay that way to remain
qualified.
MY OWN ADDITION- if a man professes to be a "Christian" gets divorced or
is in non-repentant adultery, he is not to be a church leader, and it's
doubtful he's even a Christian. If a DIVORCED MAN BECOMES a Christian
AFTER THE DIVORCE, and if the woman to whom he was (most recently)
married is still not remarried, he is to pursue HER. Once she has
remarried another man, he is free, but he had better take the WHOLE
DIVORCE upon himself, and he is usually guilty of ADULTERY with another
woman- that is WHAT CAUSED THE DIVORCE, let's face reality here, and the
woman who has fooled around with him and contributed to the break-up of
the marriage and the devastation to this married woman is also equally as
guilty, and had better not call herself a "Christian", either. Of course,
this eliminates polygyny or polygamy.-"Cheyenne Cin" - P.S. A PREVIOUSLY
MARRIED AND DIVORCED MAN can be a Christian church leader, provided he
became a Christian AFTER THE DIVORCE, then did everything correctly,
including take full blame and be fully repentant, and now is a ONE WOMAN
MAN, in every way!
A WARNING TO ALL WOMEN- if you are STUPID AND IMMORAL ENOUGH to think
just because a MAN IS DIVORCED, and says he is (WAS) a "Christian", or
worse yet, blames his former wife, and you marry him, whatever your
'justifications', you are ASKNG FOR BIG TROUBLE. And if you are a church
congregation who accepts this man, even into leadership, or "remarries"
('marries') him and her, big problems!
==============
==========
6922Re: In that day, you will have no place to hide.
... Any man who believes marriage to multiple women is acceptable (you),
who ... women, esp. husbands with their own wives, and consequently how
women react ... BEGINNING OF WISDOM! = <Bill> "tHe mAdd pRoFeSsOr"
<madd_professor@... Re: Why Most ...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pretribonly/message/6922
Hey Bill. Gonna try to do the 'answering session' more swiftly today. Two
points- one to each of the below issues. It's not a matter of
'competition'- that is not a good thing to say about what a married
person faces, even though I know you're saying that lightly and
humorously, and really kind of making the same point I am. It's like
putting Madeleine Albright in the 'ugly' category. I do think the things
she works for are perhaps ugly, but when a person is a certain age or
born with certain physical features, God put that together. But then
again, there is a certain beauty (outside, physical) that can be achieved
- and I'm only talking women here now- from being rested and not having
to go out to a job, from the lack of stress that comes with a good loving
Christian marriage and husband, from the self control that accompanies
the members of the household in a conservative thinking family. I agree
with you that all who do the best with what they have, and not to look
like someone Bruce can lust after or to 'avoid competition' is beautiful.
Besides, when a young woman is physically at her peak, an older woman is
still not only beautiful to a certain age of men and women who also
appreciate wisdom, intelligence, Christianity and yep, she's still even
physically attractive, in many instances. I heard a radio preacher today
saying that a husband should keep flirting with his wife for life, and
mean it, and should never flirt with any other woman, at work, at the
restaurant or grocery store, church or anywhere else. A one woman man. (A
male church leader is to be the 'husband of one wife', and that means
simply one woman man.)
====
HERE IS SOME MORE "CHAT" I located on this subject:
People in the Bible had more than one wife....does that mean i can have
more than one too?
God seemed to be more than ok with Kings having several wives then i
guess i could have more than one as well.
If it was ok with him back then it sounds only logical he's ok with it
now.
Don't you think?
==
No, I don't think so.
As Christian, you should only have one wife.
A man and woman when married become "one flesh." The New Testament adds a
warning to this "oneness." "Wherefore they are no more twain, but one
flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man or woman put
asunder" (Matthew 19:6).
1Co 7:1 Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: "It is good for
a man not to have sexual relations with a woman."
1Co 7:2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man
should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.
===
God did allow it.
As the only wife of one husband, I DO NOT.
The Bibe says that a bishop-pastor should be the husband of only one
wife...
this and other things make me see and feel that God doesn't really go for
it like some think.
I think the Bible even says God allowed it because the hardness of man's
hearts.
In that time especially for royalty people married for business... mainly
to keep peace members of both royal families would marry. Also there were
a lot less men per women in those days...
Not to mention that God never said it was OK, God just allowed it...
which you shouldn't assume God is OK with it because God also allows sin
and God is defiantly not OK with that.
====
Matthew 6:24, words spoken by Jesus:
"No man can serve two masters." (In the case of women, two mistresses.)
OK, a little out of context, but the principle applies.
==
Just because it happened does not mean God approved. Look at the life of
Solomon. Or better yet, look at the life of King David. Both had multiple
wives and it destroyed them. It also destroyed the women and the
children. Not usually physically, but it did nonetheless.
===
If you could have more than one wife, then your wives ought to have more
than one husband don't you think. All is fair.
==
It wasn't "ok" with God. Furthermore, it's illegal and the Bible says to
abide by the laws of the land.
===
As long as I'm not one of them, I don't care. Good luck finding several
women dumb enough to not mind sharing.
==
No. The apostle Paul showed that a husband should only have one wife.
============
How to KEEP THE CHURCH as it should be! (Standards for Male Leaders)
... meaning no sexual activity outside of marriage, and not given to
lust, etc.... treating ... scriptural 'widow' and the children of
divorced parents or of fathers who never married ... means repeat,
unrepentant adultery, or remarriage to another woman. -"Cheyenne Cin"- P
...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prophecycenterbest/message/187
Lee & Cynthia
leeandcindy@...
cheyennecin
Jan 21, 2004
10:32 am
Re: [prophecycenterbest] The ABORTION issue, CORRECT analysis
... children are young? All the while, the marriage is strained, and the
children are allowed ... internal destroyer of the family socially is
divorce. Large Sabbath-keeping groups may say ... effect promote or
condone divorce and remarriage, which is adultery. A happy family life
...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prophecycenterbest/message/169
leeandcindy@...
cheyennecin
May 18, 2003
9:07 pm
The Foundation of Marriage (When to Divorce, Remarry, etc.)
... become an adulterer. If you are already wrongly remarried, your
marriage is valid. The Bible says that people who have defiled themselves
by wrong remarriages are not to divorce and return to the former spouse,
but there must be repentance ...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prophecycenterbest/message/81
--
WHY will seven women want to marry one man, and provide for themselves?
My guess is...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prophecycenterbest/message/206
(DON'T ATTEMPT TO JOIN PROPHECYCENTERBEST group, it's memberless, for
great info only!)
===================
ANY MAN WHO PUTS AWAY HIS WIFE EXCEPT FOR (HER) ADULTERY AND MARRIES
ANOTHER COMMITS ADULTERY! -- Luke 16:18
The phrase "husband of one wife" is literally a "one-woman man" in the
original Greek...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pretribonly/message/7796
====
Key question: What does it mean that he is to be the husband of one wife?
The phrase "husband of one wife" is literally a "one-woman man" in the
original Greek (mia/j gunaiko.j a;ndra - mias gynaikos andra). The
emphasis in the Greek language ison the word "one," as it is found in the
emphatic position.
The Man of God cannot be a Polygamist.
Polygamy is having more than one wife. This view understands the passage
as prohibiting polygamy for the life of a leader...only one wife at a
time. But this could hardly be Paul's thought here. Polygamy is a sin
that is forbidden for all, not just pastors. From the beginning of
creation, God said that a man and woman were to leave and cleave together
and become one flesh (Gen 2:20-25). It is very doubtful that there were
leaders in Crete or Ephesus who had two wives. Even Jewish law forbids
this. This cannot be a consideration.
I know men who have been married to only "one woman" their whole married
life, but aren't characterized as one-woman men. Maybe the man is married
to one wife but the lover of two or three either in his heart's affects
or outright physical actions?
What does it mean to be the husband of one wife? Answer: The man of God
must be a "one-woman man"! (This, as mentioned above, is the literal
interpretation of the text) The man must be exclusively devoted to his
wife in thought, desire and action. In other words, monogamy is not
enough!
Viewed this way, Paul is not so much referring to the marital status of
an elder/deacon as seen on a document, but to a Biblical character trait
of a man's heart. The phrase implies loyalty and faithfulness. The man
must be characterized as a one-woman man, who is exclusively and totally
devoted to his wife. This man is not flirtatious or promiscuous. The man
is not involved in any questionable relationship with any other woman.
Alexander Strauch says: "This man must have an exclusive relationship to
the woman. A one-woman man is a man above reproach in the marital
relationship as well as all other male/female relationships. The man of
God must be a man of unquestioned morality."
Kenneth Wuest, the Greek scholar said: "The elder should be a man
who loves only one woman as his wife. It should be his nature to isolate
and centralize his love."
A man who is a "looker," apart from any physical adultery, has
already committed adultery in his heart and is thereby not a one-woman
man. Jesus spoke on this subject with extreme clarity when he said...
"Everyone who looks on a woman to lust for her has committed adultery in
his heart." (Matt 5:28)
The key questions to ask regarding a man's character in relation to
his wife are...
Are you a flirt?
Are you known as a ladies-man?
Are you a looker? (do you look twice or once too long?)
Are you fantasizing about other women in your heart?
Are you training yourself to be a one-woman man?
John MacArthur stated here.... "For the most part, evangelical
Christianity during this century has focused on the battle for doctrinal
purity, and it should, but we are losing the battle for moral purity. We
have people with the right theology who are living impure. God's standard
cannot be lowered for the sake of sympathy. All battles for the integrity
of Scripture are ultimately in vain if the church's preachers are corrupt
and the sheep no longer follow their shepherds as models of holiness. The
church must have leaders who are above reproach. Anything less is an
abomination to God and spells disaster for the life of the church."
(Rediscovering Pastoral Ministry, John MacArthur p. 89)
This doesn't mean that a man who has sinned this way can never be
forgiven...(not at all). It simply means that only a man who is morally
pure and faithfully devoted to his wife is qualified to serve in the
office of an elder or deacon.
Was this not Paul's fear? Paul knew that this type of sin could morally
disqualify him from his office. I Cor 9:27 - "But I buffet my body and
make it my slave, lest possibly, after I have preached to others, I
myself should be disqualified".
CONCLUSIONS:
It does not seem possible that, by Paul's phrase in 1 Timothy 3:2, he
intends to hold a man's pre-conversion sins against him (see 1 Pet. 4:3;
Eph. 2:2; 4:17ff; 1 Cor. 12:2; Col 3:7). To judge a man's spiritual
qualities on the basis of a sin committed before he was saved, before he
was capable of understanding God's will or Word, and before he has the
power of Christ's life within him is to create a false standard that
detracts from God's wonderful grace and which also fails to deal with the
real issue of 1 Timothy 3. It must be stated however, that like some
other pre-conversion sins, a divorced and remarried man might be in a
vulnerable condition, which could lead to embarrassing circumstances or
subtle reproach.
Regardless of one's view on divorce and remarriage, an acting
elder/deacon who divorces while in office is under reproach and must be
disqualified. The issue is not whether God forgives divorced people (of
course) or whether a divorced person can serve God (of course he can).
The real issue in this instance is the leader's public reproach on God's
glory and the testimony of the church.
Elders and Deacons must be devoted to their marital purity to be accepted
into the office of church leadership and must stay that way to remain
qualified.
MY OWN ADDITION- if a man professes to be a "Christian" gets divorced or
is in non-repentant adultery, he is not to be a church leader, and it's
doubtful he's even a Christian. If a DIVORCED MAN BECOMES a Christian
AFTER THE DIVORCE, and if the woman to whom he was (most recently)
married is still not remarried, he is to pursue HER. Once she has
remarried another man, he is free, but he had better take the WHOLE
DIVORCE upon himself, and he is usually guilty of ADULTERY with another
woman- that is WHAT CAUSED THE DIVORCE, let's face reality here, and the
woman who has fooled around with him and contributed to the break-up of
the marriage and the devastation to this married woman is also equally as
guilty, and had better not call herself a "Christian", either. Of course,
this eliminates polygyny or polygamy.-"Cheyenne Cin" - P.S. A PREVIOUSLY
MARRIED AND DIVORCED MAN can be a Christian church leader, provided he
became a Christian AFTER THE DIVORCE, then did everything correctly,
including take full blame and be fully repentant, and now is a ONE WOMAN
MAN, in every way!
A WARNING TO ALL WOMEN- if you are STUPID AND IMMORAL ENOUGH to think
just because a MAN IS DIVORCED, and says he is (WAS) a "Christian", or
worse yet, blames his former wife, and you marry him, whatever your
'justifications', you are ASKNG FOR BIG TROUBLE. And if you are a church
congregation who accepts this man, even into leadership, or "remarries"
('marries') him and her, big problems!
==============
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6922Re: In that day, you will have no place to hide.
... Any man who believes marriage to multiple women is acceptable (you),
who ... women, esp. husbands with their own wives, and consequently how
women react ... BEGINNING OF WISDOM! = <Bill> "tHe mAdd pRoFeSsOr"
<madd_professor@... Re: Why Most ...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pretribonly/message/6922
Hey Bill. Gonna try to do the 'answering session' more swiftly today. Two
points- one to each of the below issues. It's not a matter of
'competition'- that is not a good thing to say about what a married
person faces, even though I know you're saying that lightly and
humorously, and really kind of making the same point I am. It's like
putting Madeleine Albright in the 'ugly' category. I do think the things
she works for are perhaps ugly, but when a person is a certain age or
born with certain physical features, God put that together. But then
again, there is a certain beauty (outside, physical) that can be achieved
- and I'm only talking women here now- from being rested and not having
to go out to a job, from the lack of stress that comes with a good loving
Christian marriage and husband, from the self control that accompanies
the members of the household in a conservative thinking family. I agree
with you that all who do the best with what they have, and not to look
like someone Bruce can lust after or to 'avoid competition' is beautiful.
Besides, when a young woman is physically at her peak, an older woman is
still not only beautiful to a certain age of men and women who also
appreciate wisdom, intelligence, Christianity and yep, she's still even
physically attractive, in many instances. I heard a radio preacher today
saying that a husband should keep flirting with his wife for life, and
mean it, and should never flirt with any other woman, at work, at the
restaurant or grocery store, church or anywhere else. A one woman man. (A
male church leader is to be the 'husband of one wife', and that means
simply one woman man.)
====
HERE IS SOME MORE "CHAT" I located on this subject:
People in the Bible had more than one wife....does that mean i can have
more than one too?
God seemed to be more than ok with Kings having several wives then i
guess i could have more than one as well.
If it was ok with him back then it sounds only logical he's ok with it
now.
Don't you think?
==
No, I don't think so.
As Christian, you should only have one wife.
A man and woman when married become "one flesh." The New Testament adds a
warning to this "oneness." "Wherefore they are no more twain, but one
flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man or woman put
asunder" (Matthew 19:6).
1Co 7:1 Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: "It is good for
a man not to have sexual relations with a woman."
1Co 7:2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man
should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.
===
God did allow it.
As the only wife of one husband, I DO NOT.
The Bibe says that a bishop-pastor should be the husband of only one
wife...
this and other things make me see and feel that God doesn't really go for
it like some think.
I think the Bible even says God allowed it because the hardness of man's
hearts.
In that time especially for royalty people married for business... mainly
to keep peace members of both royal families would marry. Also there were
a lot less men per women in those days...
Not to mention that God never said it was OK, God just allowed it...
which you shouldn't assume God is OK with it because God also allows sin
and God is defiantly not OK with that.
====
Matthew 6:24, words spoken by Jesus:
"No man can serve two masters." (In the case of women, two mistresses.)
OK, a little out of context, but the principle applies.
==
Just because it happened does not mean God approved. Look at the life of
Solomon. Or better yet, look at the life of King David. Both had multiple
wives and it destroyed them. It also destroyed the women and the
children. Not usually physically, but it did nonetheless.
===
If you could have more than one wife, then your wives ought to have more
than one husband don't you think. All is fair.
==
It wasn't "ok" with God. Furthermore, it's illegal and the Bible says to
abide by the laws of the land.
===
As long as I'm not one of them, I don't care. Good luck finding several
women dumb enough to not mind sharing.
==
No. The apostle Paul showed that a husband should only have one wife.
============
How to KEEP THE CHURCH as it should be! (Standards for Male Leaders)
... meaning no sexual activity outside of marriage, and not given to
lust, etc.... treating ... scriptural 'widow' and the children of
divorced parents or of fathers who never married ... means repeat,
unrepentant adultery, or remarriage to another woman. -"Cheyenne Cin"- P
...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prophecycenterbest/message/187
Lee & Cynthia
leeandcindy@...
cheyennecin
Jan 21, 2004
10:32 am
Re: [prophecycenterbest] The ABORTION issue, CORRECT analysis
... children are young? All the while, the marriage is strained, and the
children are allowed ... internal destroyer of the family socially is
divorce. Large Sabbath-keeping groups may say ... effect promote or
condone divorce and remarriage, which is adultery. A happy family life
...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prophecycenterbest/message/169
leeandcindy@...
cheyennecin
May 18, 2003
9:07 pm
The Foundation of Marriage (When to Divorce, Remarry, etc.)
... become an adulterer. If you are already wrongly remarried, your
marriage is valid. The Bible says that people who have defiled themselves
by wrong remarriages are not to divorce and return to the former spouse,
but there must be repentance ...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prophecycenterbest/message/81
--
WHY will seven women want to marry one man, and provide for themselves?
My guess is...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prophecycenterbest/message/206
(DON'T ATTEMPT TO JOIN PROPHECYCENTERBEST group, it's memberless, for
great info only!)
===================
ANY MAN WHO PUTS AWAY HIS WIFE EXCEPT FOR (HER) ADULTERY AND MARRIES
ANOTHER COMMITS ADULTERY! -- Luke 16:18
By the way, notice there is no reference to his 'wives'
and also that when God created Adam, then Eve as husband and wife,
it was only those two?!
and also that when God created Adam, then Eve as husband and wife,
it was only those two?!
====
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