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You do not "RAISE A FAMILY", unless your spouse needs to be raised. A FAMILY, Biblically IS a husband and wife. Children are optional additions! -- "Cheyenne Cin" - P.S. Divorces and illegitimate babies sabotage the true definition of a family, as does the death of a husband or a wife. The husband and wife relationship comes only after the Christian relationship with God. Parent and child relationship is NOT before the marriage. Neither parent should ever be put in order after a child or the children. A childless marriage should NEVER be considered 'less' than a family. Nor should a childless divorce be considered less devastating or important than a divorce involving children. WE are part of the problem, when we erroneously think and speak that way. Besides, it is unfair even to the kid(s) when a child is placed ahead of his or her mother or father, in the eyes of the other biological parent!--
 
THE BEST GIFT YOU CAN GIVE YOUR CHILDREN, after the GIFT of CHRISTIANITY, is for their biological father to be married to (for life) their mother and to love her to the point of being willing to lay down his life for her. NOT for the children first!
Their Christian mother will respond to their father the same way, and again, they, the children, will not be first, but will be secure, loved, and learn the correct values for themselves. Putting a child ahead of a spouse means a man is not doing his job properly! Besides, putting Jesus (as God) first and then having Mom and Dad come ahead of them will be a HUGE payoff for their own future spouse(s)!
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Put your marriage before your kids

It's the key to a healthy family.

Monitor Opinion Editor Josh Burek discusses the importance of marriage with David Code.

American parents shoot ourselves in the foot by making our children the center of our universe. And we certainly don't help our kids, either.

Child-centered families create anxious, exhausted parents and demanding, entitled kids who act out. Schools are overwhelmed by children's special needs and a spirit of community is draining from our neighborhoods. As these self-absorbed kids enter the workplace, America's global leadership and ability to compete will be seriously compromised.

But we can create healthy families and raise tomorrow's leaders – if we focus on our marriages instead of our children.

In my pastoral counseling as an Episcopal minister, I share people's joy at their weddings and baptisms, as well as the agony of their divorces. Today I see more kids acting out, more parents turning to medication, and more single parents in serious financial difficulty.

The intact family is an endangered species. The odds a marriage will eventually end in divorce, according to studies at the John Gottman Institute, are cause for concern. For example, a couple married in 1950 had only a 30 percent chance of divorce, and couples married in 1970 had about a 50 percent chance of splitting. But a 1990 marriage has a 67 percent likelihood of ending, and the divorce rate continues to climb. People are losing faith in love.

As I visit so many households full of misery, I see good, committed couples with the best of intentions end up either fighting or fleeing each other, like wild animals. That flight-response seems to control much more of our behavior than we realize.

There are many subtle ways we avoid our spouses every day. Our distancing behaviors may include staying at work late, or switching on the TV, or making our children the center of our universe.

Most of us would never dream that putting our children before our marriage could be a flight response. We often believe we just don't have time for our spouse. But the truth is, we often feel more love for our kids than for our spouse. When two parents drift apart from each other, often one parent will drift closer to the kids.

We parents convince ourselves that putting our kids first is child-friendly, but we make two main mistakes by doing so.

First, it becomes harder to respect and enforce the boundaries that shape a child's character, so he simply badgers his parents until he gets his way. Future bosses and spouses may not be so patient with this behavior.

Second, we put tremendous pressure on our children to fulfill our emotional needs, which may lead to the child acting out. This draws even more attention to the problem, as parents anxiously seek a diagnosis and physicians increasingly rely on medicating children. What had been a molehill suddenly becomes a mountain, creating a self-fulfilling prophecy that can cripple the child's development and the future of our citizenry.

So here's the solution: To raise great kids, focus on your marriage. There are three keys to a successful marriage and family:

1) Recognize that we've already chosen the perfect spouse. No, we would NOT choose better next time;

2) Recognize how often our fight-or-flight instinct overrides our passion in marriage. To create a happy marriage, we need to go from the fantasy, "It's his/her fault that I'm unhappy" to the truth, "I wouldn't do any better in my next marriage, so I might as well give 100 percent to this one;" and

3) Recognize that if we build a great marriage, we create a great role model for our kids, and they learn self-reliance and cooperation in the process.

As long as you believe your life is your spouse's fault, a new partner will always seem attractive. But once you begin to see your role in the ongoing, lifelong problems of your marriage, you'll recognize that if you started over with a new partner tomorrow, you'd still be carrying all your personal baggage into that relationship.

And that's where accepting our spouse creates a positive chain reaction. Commitment forces us to be more forgiving because we have given ourselves no choice but to work things out. It also forces us to be more outspoken and negotiate a relationship we can live with.

Thus, we can accept arguments as the natural storms they are, rather than as a harbinger of divorce. A nun once told me that marriage is like tying two donkeys together at the neck: All that rubbing together irritates the burrs on their flanks; but over the years, those burrs eventually rub off.

In the end, the greatest gift we can give our kids (and ourselves) is to become citizens of honor and loyalty in our own marriages. That way, our kids can grow up with a model of what marriage can be. The second bonus is that when kids are no longer the center of the family, they can learn self-reliance and cooperation, and become citizens instead of consumers.

Instead of trying to create perfect childhoods for our kids by making them the center of our universe, we should focus on creating a good marriage. Then the rest falls into place.

David Code is an Episcopal minister, family coach, and founder of the Center for Staying Married & Raising Great Kids.

 
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"I take you to be my (husband, wife) until children do us part"

John K. Rosemond
A journalist recently asked me to name the number one problem facing today's family. I think she expected me to address education, the economy, or some other "hot" topic. To her surprise, I said, "A confusion of roles." In today's parenting universe, married women with children think of themselves first and foremost as mothers, and married men with children think of themselves first and foremost as fathers. This is confusion. If you are married with children, you are first and foremost a wife or a husband. In your wedding vows, you did not say, "I take you to be my (husband, wife) until children do us part." Those vows, many generations old, read the way they do for a reason.

I've been telling recent audiences that parenting has become bad for the mental health of women. Today's all-too typical mother believes that whether her child experiences success or failure in whatever realm is completely up to her. If she is sufficiently attentive to her child's needs and sufficiently proactive in his life, he will succeed. If not, he will have problems. The natural consequence of this state of over-focus is anxiety, self-doubt, and guilt.

Symptomatic of this ubiquitous state of bad mental health is mother-to-mother conversation, which will almost invariably be all about their children: what they're doing for their children, their children's latest magnificent accomplishments, and so on. That today's mothers cannot seem to think of anything else to talk about is rather, well, sad. My mother once told me that when mothers got together in the 1950s, they talked about everything but their children. "We talked about interesting things," was the way she put it.

The more attention you pay a child, the less attention the child will pay to you. The 1950s mother went about her child rearing with an almost casual attitude. It was "all in a day's work," as opposed to being all of her day's work. She exuded a sense of confidence in her authority; therefore, her child recognized her authority. She established a clear boundary between herself and her child (as in, "I don't have time for you right now, so go find something of your own to do") that today's mother feels prohibited from doing. Thus, today's mother often feels as if she is under assault from her children from the time they wake up until they consent to occupy their beds. In any relationship, a well-defined boundary is necessary to respect. For example, men may "like" women who do not establish clear boundaries, but they have no respect for them. In this regard, it is no mystery why so many of today's kids seem to have no respect for their mothers, or any other adult for that matter.

A father told me that his minister often spoke from the pulpit of the need for parents to be involved with their children. This bit of conventional wisdom is rarely if ever questioned. If I ask someone to explain why a high level of parent involvement is good, the typical response is along these lines: "Well, I mean, they need to know you care about them, right?" I knew my mother cared about me, but she wasn't involved with me. She was involved with other adults, and when she remarried she was primarily involved with her husband, my stepfather. I always knew that I could depend on her, but there was enough of a boundary in the relationship to prevent me from ever becoming dependent. This state of affairs is healthy for both parent and child.

Most of the discipline problems today's experience with their children have their genesis in this nouveau and very dysfunctional family model. These discipline problems, therefore, are not going to be corrected by manipulating reward and punishment with clever behavioral methods. They will correct themselves when the dysfunction is corrected. The problem here is that it's difficult to accept that what one is doing is dysfunctional when everyone is doing it.

Family psychologist John Rosemond answers parents' questions on his website at www.rosemond.com.

Copyright 2008, John K. Rosemond

*About the Author: Rosemond has written nine best-selling parenting books and is one of America's busiest and most popular speakers, known for his sound advice, humor and easy, relaxed, engaging style. In the past few years, John has appeared on numerous national television programs including 20/20, Good Morning America, The View, Bill Maher's Politically Incorrect, Public Eye, The Today Show, CNN, and CBS Later Today.

Click here to visit Rosemond's Web site, www.rosemond.com.
 
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What comes first children or husband/wife?

Just some thoughts about that... I mean obviously, if you had to choose, children would come first, but in a more deeper way, at the end they grow up they get their own partner and have their own family and children, the only person that will (it's supposed to) be there for you is your partner, at the very end in your elderly years etc...
 

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Spouse comes FIRST. Children come SECOND. This is what I believe and this is why:

1. If you don't have an excellent relationship with your spouse, you set a bad example for your children. You are a mentor to them - your relationship with spouse shows them what marriage can be and that is what they look for in a mate.
2. Without your spouse, you wouldn't have those children. Without a strong, healthy marriage your children wouldn't have a family. They would have a broken home.
3. You are absolutely right: Children leave and the spouse stays.

To quote Kahlil Gibran: "Your children are not your children.
They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself.
They come through you but not from you,
And though they are with you yet they belong not to you."

In other words, they grow up and leave you to create their own lives and this is exactly how it was meant to be. People who put their children before their spouse learn to rely on their children for happiness and hurt both their kids and their spouse in the long run. They are dysfunctional and validate themselves by claiming to be better than any other parents because they are martyrs but all they do is keep their children weak so they can feel loved and needed. It is sad.

This is why people have inlaw troubles - not because the children are dependent on their parents but because the parents are dependent on the children! It's a destructive, selfish legacy! Why would you do that to the people you claim to put first? Who really comes first?

The prime directive of parenting (as I see it) is to produce independent, self-sufficient adults who are capable of making good decisions for their lives WITHOUT mommy and daddy holding their hands when they are 30!

I know this is true. I raised 4 kids who are in their 20's and what a joy it is to see them emerge as strong, capable, unique adults instead of puppets or carbon copies of myself and my husband!

I have one daughter in law school (about to be engaged) and the other in nursing school (engaged). My eldest son is an IT graduate (married)and working for a major computer company and my baby is in biz school (in a serious relationship). Very different dreams because they are very unique individuals, but notice what they have in common is that they all know how to form healthy, lasting relationships...hmmm...).

I never had a moment's grief over alcohol, drugs or promiscuity. There was never an off-limits topic at our dinner table and even their friends would come over so they could talk about whatever they needed to talk about and feel welcomed and accepted. We raised a lot of kids, my husband and I!

My babies have enriched my life from the moment I knew they were seeds in my belly. We have loved them so deeply I have no words but deeply enough to take in the "strays" (and I mean that lovingly) they brought home. There are about a dozen kids that walk in my front door and holler "Mom! I'm home!" I hug them and I kiss them and I jokingly chew them out for not calling home enough. We love them, we coach them, we mentor them but we always send them out into the world feeling more confident and stronger than when they reached for us.

That's our job - as parents (or surrogate parents) we foster indepenence. Anything else is crippling them because we won't always be here.

I would happily give any one of my kids my kidney, my liver, my heart. So would my husband. That goes without saying because they are at the prime of their life and we are in the twilight of ours.

But they do not need my organs on a daily basis, nor yet so far. What they need is parents who love each other and them unconditionally, who show them what a strong, healthy family looks like so they know how to make one, who set the example of a loving marriage so they have a model, who guide them without controlling them so they know how to give, who encourage, support and inspire them and who are always there in their time of need but who stand up for their independence and do all they can to make sure they come home because they WANT to, not because they HAVE to. I want my children to be who they are, live the life that is theirs.

And I want my own life too. I am human and I have needs - for love and support, for joy and laughter, for fulfillment, for a partner I can trust who trusts me...I want to cuddle up to my husband and feel his arms welcome me, not push me away because we have become strangers who lived our childrens' lives thinking they were better than our own.

This is why I married. To have all that...until death do us part.

As of 2 weeks ago, all my kids have left home and my husband and I are alone. Just the 2 of us. And I was sad for a few days (normal with any change) but this past week has been like Heaven on Earth. The kids call, we talk, they are all very happy where they are. My husband and I walk the dog, hold hands, talk. We open a bottle of excellent wine, have dinner, make love.
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Married 27 years. Seems like we got it right. Sure feels that way!
 
 
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That's hard but I think I'd have to choose my husband. I like what the other person said, the greatest gift you can give your children is a strong marital example. I think kids learn how to act and behave in their marriage by looking at the example they had as kids. If you neglect your partner while raising kids it throws off the whole course. You and your partner don't get along, you show your children a negative view of marriage, they grow up to learn a certain way of treating a man/wife, or even an unhealthy view of marriage, thus creating that cycle to start all over again with their marriage and their children.

Plus, your kids are going to leave the nest, and thats a rough time to go through in life, you want a steady relationship with your partner to get both of you through that time.
 
i heard of a counselor talked about this and he said that even when children arrives in a couple, the couple should never forget that their priority should still be for each other.of course, they will take care of their children, love them, provide and care for them but their first love should still be each other.according to that counselor,most marriage face rifts when the wife or husband focused more on their children and neglect their partners or their marriage.
 
Your spouse comes first.

I'll tell you why.

When you focus your efforts in making your spouse the most important person in your life, you're showing your children the PROPER example of being a united family by having the parents rely on each other. When they see that their parents are united in heart and mind, and love each other...your children will in turn be strengthened in their trust in their parents, in their own self-esteem, and security - it's all for the best when the parents are at their best.

Whatever happens to the parents trickles down to the children.

When you put the children before the spouse, your spouse suffers, your relationship suffers, and in turn your children suffer from the lack of cohesiveness in the family.

Although my husband is the most important person in the world, my efforts are to support him first and foremost. My children do come second, but I give them the love, the nurturing, the attention that they need as well. They're different types of attention, but my husband should never be second to my children.
 
The relationship with your spouse should actually be the solid foundation. If that's not solid, your kids will depart from you eventually, like you said, and go make their own lives, and you will be alone in your old age. That said, if your marriage is intact and a loving one, the children are reared with more love and security because it's coming from both parents who have time and energy to care for their children. Just my two cents.
 
I don't think kids come first than husband...I think you need a healthy and stable relationship with your partner to raise well balanced kids. If you focus too much on the kids and put your partner in a second level, the relationship will fail sooner or later and this will affect the children. So both, but first, your mate, for the kids' sake.
 
It's a balancing act, if you make your kids your focus you can lose your husband because he feels neglected.

Parents need to have time away from parenting. Take the kids to grandmom's and spend quality time together. Have date nights. Spend time with other adults where the entire conversation isn't about soccer teams and ballet lessons.

If they don't when the kids are grown the parents have become strangers.
 
My spouse will always come first. I believe that divorces happen because once the children come along, husbands are usually kicked to the curb.
My children need to know that they are VERY important to me but in order for my to be a good Mommy, I need to be a good wife first.
 
He is my life partner. We created our children together ... we love them endlessly ... but we love each other deeper and in a more finite way. We are committed to raising our children, but we also look forward to the time when we have time to ourselves again.
 
I've personally seen someone put their kids on such a pedestal that it cost them their marriage. You have to find balance. The children do grow up and move on. If the children came between the couple, it would be hard on them as empty nesters.
 
Forsake all others(part of wedding vows)that includes children, spouse first, then all others,but we understand children have extra special needs, demands care, etc. and of course if yo had an infant or young child, you would tend to them.
 
God First.
Spouse Next.
Kids After that.

If you look to God to meet all your needs, everything else can fall into place. When you and your spouse are happy and content, your children will be also.
 
If you dont give yourself what you need including nurturing your relationship with your spouse you won't be able to give your kids much.
 
Well I agree with some of the others, the Bible says that your spouse is first. My husband is first for me and I am first for him, that doesn't mean we love our kids any less.
 
The greatest gift children can have is a set of parents that love each other more than anything else.
 
The Bible says that you and your spouse come first then children.
 
Just some thoughts about that... I mean obviously, children grow up they get their own partner and have their own family, the only person that will (it's supposed to) be there for you is your partner, at the very end in your elderly years etc...
 
Wife!!!!!!!!!!!!!  (WIFE COMES FIRST!)  -- from a husband
 
I was brought up to put the spouse first.
 
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BY THE WAY, legally the husband and wife have to come first, too. For the most part, I do believe this is rightfully the case. -"Cheyenne Cin"
 
 


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