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Re: [LPFM] Query on NRG Pro 3

Hmmm - I disagree with the distance figures
 
Using the ITU-T coverage grade field strengths, the maximum distances under ideal conditions for an LFPM station are:
 
Urban Grade Stereo = 2.5km
Rural Grade Stereo = 10.0km
Mono signal = 20.0km
 
These can be calculated using the following:
Max eirp = -3dBW (500mW)
Obstruction loss = 0dB (I did say ideal, after all)
Field strength = 77 + [eirp in dBW] - (20 x Log(distance in km) ) - [obstruction loss in dB]
 
The ITU coverage grade limits are:
Urban Grade Stereo = 66dBuV/m or better
Rural Grade Stereo = 54dBuV/m or better
Mono signal = 48dBuV/m or better
 
If you add in some obstruction loss of say 6dB then the distance figures become:
Urban Grade Stereo = 1.25km
Rural Grade Stereo = 5.0km
Mono signal = 10.0km
 
Pure maths. Nice and simple :-)
 
And the above doesn't even take into account improvements in receiver and antenna design since the ITU set the coverage grade guidelines.
 
Diversity receive antennas - as fitted to quite a few vehicles these days - can easily add 6dB improvement in usable sensitivity. Or improve mono performance by another 20km (under ideal conditions).
 
Likewise, band expanders - also fitted to quite a few vehicles - can destroy 10dB of sensitivity
This equates to knocking back the mono performance from 20km to 6km (under ideal conditions)
 
If you're only attaining 2km then maybe your eirp is low ?? Do a power measurement at the antenna input.
 
Or you have a radio with a band expander ?? Throw away that crappy band expander! Get a real radio.
 
Ot you have a single antenna receive ? Get diversity, it's great.
 
Or you have some obstruction loss? (trees, buildings, etc) Raise your Tx antenna to avoid this as much as possible.
 
Enjoy my ramblings, I'm of to get some lunch now
 
Cheers, Jochen

>>> DuffyFamily@... Tuesday, 9 August 2005 8:47:11 p.m. >>>
Ross is absolutely right.
 
It is 500mw at the aerial.
For my station its pretty easy to figure out, you don't have to work for NASA.
 
980mw at the tx, 20mtrs of rg58 just about wipes that out and any theoritical gain of a folded dipole brings it up the limit.
 
It is fairly easy to see who is running more power than they should.
Example if you drive more than a couple of km's from where you live you lose my station.
2 km's is the maximum you can resonably expect to get staying within RSM 29 specs.
Sure mono might double that to around 4 km's but you just can't propogate a 500mw signal further than that. (legally that is)
 
I use a 1 watt pro3 tx and pro 3 encoser.
 
The reason 88.1 to 88.5 for the 300mw pro3 tx is simple. When that tx was first built to conform with RSF29 those were the allowable freq.
The advertising is stating the freq that can be used not what it can run at. All NRG tx's are tunable across the entire broadcast fm spectrum.
 
M.B.D
 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 8:05 AM
Subject: [LPFM] Query on NRG Pro 3

 
HI All,
 
After surfing to www.nrgkits.co.uk I found the PLLPRO3-1K  to be interesting, does this unit do 88 - 108mhz , I ask as The 300mw version for  rfs29 says 88.0 - 88.5mhz
 
 
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HI All, After surfing to www.nrgkits.co.uk I found the PLLPRO3-1K to be interesting, does this unit do 88 - 108mhz , I ask as The 300mw version for rfs29...
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Maybe you should ask NRG what is best suited to your needs. They are a very helpful team and are aware of the NZ regulations. Mark O'Neil...
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The frequencies you are allowed to use are defined in the LPFM GURL See here: http://www.med.govt.nz/rsm/licensing/gurls/gurl-lpfmbc-2.html Jochen ... HI All, ...
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Ross is absolutely right. It is 500mw at the aerial. For my station its pretty easy to figure out, you don't have to work for NASA. 980mw at the tx, 20mtrs of...
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Hmmm - I disagree with the distance figures Using the ITU-T coverage grade field strengths, the maximum distances under ideal conditions for an LFPM station...
Jochen Siegenthaler
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OK I may stand corrected. I used the info off the (dare I say it) Veronica site. Not suprising it may be wrong Ive been waiting 11 weeks for a tx that was...
M.B & J.D Duffy
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Good work Jochen I was going to say the same.Thing also is that obstruction losses can be minimised by getting the height of the tx antenna up as high as...
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In that case they should remove the 300mw edition from their range. It is way out of date from a time when 300wm was the maximum eirp allowed. ... From:...
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... There have been sensitivity improvements in car stereos but most modern mid range and cheaper home receivers do not even have an RF stage so the...
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... I've worked on a lot of broadcast fm receivers and I've yet to find one with no RF stage! even the cheapest 'clock radios' have one rf amp, but only one...
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If I may add fuel to the fire... I installed a 1w Broadcast Warehouse tx to the same antenna, at the same site, as I had a 1w Veronica, and the signal was so...
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Yes height does wonders. I know an LPFM user here in Tauranga who also runs a self employed communications business. He was negotiated a site on a 420 metre...
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On the subject of what sounds to be a remote sites, are we allowed to do that? I ask as I am to lazy to read up on it.....joking of course kind of. How many...
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Yes you can run a remote transmitter. You can operate up to 2 transmitters within 25km of each other Type of antenna makes no difference whatsoever for LPFM ...
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Remote linking is allowed for LPFM. The guy I mentioned about is using a 2.4Ghz link. He is about to put up a bigger pole on the site which should add 20...
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Isn't this going overboard? 420m above sea level, about to be boosted a further 20 metres!?!?? Receiving the station on the OTHER SIDE of the Kaimais? ...Why? ...
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