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[LPFM] Re: Commercial licence holders using guardband frequencies

Australia has Low Power Open Narrowcast (LPON) 1 watt (residential) 10
watt (non-residential). The content must be of "limited appeal".

There are also High (HPON) which can be up to 2Kw. Same rules apply.

There certainly are networks operating on LPON, the most evident being
christian radio network Vision which has over 300 transmitters around
the country and delivers via satellite. Others include racing radio,
also fully networked and a number of tourist radio networks - in this
case "network" means same content, but delivered by local means,
usually automated CD stacker.

For more information go to the ACMA site:

http://acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_90181


--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Ross Levis" <ross@...> wrote:
>
> There is no LPFM is Aussie as such. There is narrowcasting where
you can
> apply for a licence to provide a service/music format not provided
in the
> same area by a commercial operator. But I believe these are full power
> licences.
>
>
>
> The same is now available here known as Local Commercial FM Radio.
>
> http://data.rsm.govt.nz/spp/vhf-fm/criteria-and-conditions/index.html
>
>
>
> There are several restrictions such as limited networking and not
linked to
> any other radio station in NZ.
>
>
>
> Ross.
>
>
>
> From: LPFM_Radio@...
[mailto:LPFM_Radio@...]
> On Behalf Of Herb
> Sent: Tuesday, 18 March 2008 7:30 p.m.
> To: LPFM_Radio@...
> Subject: [LPFM] Re: Commercial licence holders using guardband
frequencies
>
>
>
> Yep, a really interesting thread...
>
> From what I see, RGB (Rhema, etc...) operate LPFM mainly in small
> localities of less than say 5000. Where the population is bigger
> (Wanganui, for example) it should be possible to have a frequency
> engineered for use.
>
> I really think RSM/Govt should adopt the Aussie LPFM approach... No
> full-time networks allowed - satellite/terrestrial. Meaning every
> station had to be completely local, staffed by locals. The 2 stations
> per 25K rule, in my view, should still apply. These two stations could
> be the same programme, or different content on each frequency. This
> would reduce frequency squatting and network broadcasters using LPFM
> at the same time.
>
> If a network, eg: RGB wanted to go LPFM, they would be required to
> have it staffed locally, and content different to what's played
> nationally 24/7. Govt would make more money this way, as it would
> force networks to have new frequencies engineered.
>
> My thoughts...
> Herb.
>
> --- In LPFM_Radio@...
> <mailto:LPFM_Radio%40yahoogroups.com.au> , "Gavin Stephens" <gstephens@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps operating a second transmitter on the same channel with
> entirely different programming is an option. This would be enough to
> encourage a commercial operator to get around to leasing a frequency
> of sorts or realise LPFM frequencies are not suitable for commercial
use.
> >
> > Yes I agree frequency squatting is something detestable.
> >
> > Gavin.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jesse Archer
> > To: LPFM_Radio@...
<mailto:LPFM_Radio%40yahoogroups.com.au>
>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 8:50 PM
> > Subject: [LPFM] Re: Commercial licence holders using guardband
> frequencies
> >
> >
> > Interesting conversation.
> > Personally, I have no issue with commercial operators using LPFM
> frequencies *where* they don't have frequencies.
> >
> > Probably the biggest guardband user from the 'biggies' would be
> RBG - however, they are a non-profit organization....so do they count
> under the argument here?
> >
> > One of the reasons RSM still allows 'networking' of LPFM -
> [meaning, I could set up hundreds of LPFMs across NZ (using the 25km
> rule of course) and it would be fine] - is the political power R.B.G.
> hold here because of their use of the LPFM's.
> >
> > My recommendation here: Lets NOT complain. The less RSM hear from
> us lot complaining, the more likely they'll get sick of LPFM
> broadcasting and take it away. I've heard a few RSM inspectors get
> quite frustrated with the stupid things some current operators have
> been doing - power beyond their recommended level, dodgy gear - one
> lpfm in Tauranga knocked 89.0 Radio Hauraki (at the time) off air for
> a good few hours before RSM figured out where the broadcast was coming
> from.
> >
> > I'm happy with how LPFM is setup at the moment, wouldn't want a
> thing to change.
> >
> > Only thing that annoys me is people who sit on 3-4 frequencies in
> one area broadcasting services that are already adequately catered
> for. (this excludes Tx site operators who house LPFM equiptment on
> their hills for other external broadcasters)
> > I call this 'frequency hogging'.
> >
> > My 2c: Focus on one program/station and getting it to serve your
> audience the best it can.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jesse
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > JESSE ARCHER | PROGRAM DIRECTOR | UGM NEW ZEALAND
> > Office: 07 985 6176 | Cellphone: 027 371 4624
> > jesse@ | www.ugmradio.com
> >
> > The content of this email is confidential and may be legally
> privileged. If it is not intended for you, please email the sender
> immediately and destroy the original message.
> >
>





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It is becoming apparent that more and more commercial operators are "double dipping" and utilising guardband frequencies in addition to their licenced...
wireless.radio
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Mar 16, 2008
6:33 am

I would take this further and request a clause that prevents operators of LPFM stations from having any revenue at all....
Edwin Hermann
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Mar 16, 2008
7:32 am

There are plenty of commercial LPFM operators on this list that will disagree. I'm not making any money, in fact it's costing me $250 a month to be on the air...
Ross Levis
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Mar 16, 2008
7:55 am

Interesting conversation. Personally, I have no issue with commercial operators using LPFM frequencies *where* they don't have frequencies. Probably the...
Jesse Archer
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Mar 16, 2008
8:50 am

My 2c worth 2 is If the station is registered with the charities commission then it is a not for profit group and has no taxable income. Therefore I do not see...
Charlie Fraser
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Mar 16, 2008
8:38 pm

... One lpfm in Tauranga knocked 89.0 Radio Hauraki (at the time) off air for a good few hours before RSM figured out where the broadcast was coming from. This...
wireless.radio
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Mar 18, 2008
8:44 am

Perhaps operating a second transmitter on the same channel with entirely different programming is an option. This would be enough to encourage a commercial...
Gavin Stephens
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Mar 17, 2008
12:59 am

Yep, a really interesting thread... From what I see, RGB (Rhema, etc...) operate LPFM mainly in small localities of less than say 5000. Where the population is...
Herb
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Mar 18, 2008
6:29 am

There is no LPFM is Aussie as such. There is narrowcasting where you can apply for a licence to provide a service/music format not provided in the same area...
Ross Levis
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Mar 18, 2008
6:45 am

Australia has Low Power Open Narrowcast (LPON) 1 watt (residential) 10 watt (non-residential). The content must be of "limited appeal". There are also High...
ceejay7777
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Mar 18, 2008
7:24 am

... Very good point there Herb and thank you for raising it. This would indeed kill many birds with one stone. It is mainly the major commercial networks that...
wireless.radio
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Mar 18, 2008
8:48 am

I can almost guarantee this will not happen because of Rhema, George FM, and similar networks that have put pressure on RSM to not do so. I don't see it as a...
Ross Levis
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Mar 18, 2008
10:13 am

... very valid point in regards to profesonal ethics, i agree no commercial should be using the gaurd band whatsoever, they are in the business of solely...
piratefm2007
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Mar 18, 2008
12:31 pm

We will need to start thinking about the fact that radio in 10 years will likely be all digital. That may mean the current FM band will be empty, or utilized...
Ross Levis
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Mar 19, 2008
12:54 am

From some discussion I have had with TRN, DAB (satellite radio) is going to roll out some time in the next 5 years or so - but they plan to continue to run...
wireless.radio
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Mar 21, 2008
9:20 pm

... problems. What "clause" are you referring to?...
ceejay7777
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Mar 18, 2008
10:25 am

I was in Hamilton last week setting up a station. Life fm part of the RBG mothership has a high poweer licene for 94.7 (if i'm correct) and are broadcasting on...
M.B&J.D Duffy
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Mar 18, 2008
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I believe it is 94.6 on Mt. Te Aroha. It put's a good signal into Tauranga also. What the hell are they doing on 88.6! That is ridiculous. Their signal is...
Ross Levis
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Mar 19, 2008
12:58 am

I strongly believe LPFM has nothing to worry about. Many stream on the Internet already. Or are we still focused on the old school way of delivering...
Gavin Stephens
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Mar 23, 2008
3:42 am

Yes, technology does change, and we must change with it. I think FM broadcast will be around for some time to come however. It's still a viable medium and not...
wireless.radio
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Mar 23, 2008
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One thing we can learn from past experience is that things take a lot longer to change than you might think. I think WirelessRadio is right in saying that FM...
Edwin Hermann
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Mar 24, 2008
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That's right. Who's watching movies on Blue Ray HD discs. I think I'll be using DVD for several more years. From: LPFM_Radio@......
Ross Levis
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Mar 24, 2008
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One thing we can learn from past experience is that things take a lot longer to change than you might think. I think WirelessRadio is right in saying that FM...
Edwin Hermann
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Mar 24, 2008
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... From: Ross Levis To: LPFM_Radio@... Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [LPFM] Commercial licence holders using guardband...
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