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[LPFM] Re: Commercial licence holders using guardband frequencies

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Ross Levis" <ross@...> wrote:
>hmmmm, i see two sides to this issue, firstly, wireless radio has a
very valid point in regards to profesonal ethics, i agree no
commercial should be using the gaurd band whatsoever, they are in the
business of solely making money and this goes against the policies of
LPFM and the gaurd bands.
Secondly, as the big boys aim to move away from 88-107 in due course
and setup satelite transmissions there will be no need for them to
use ANY gaurd bands due to the fact of almost total coverage they
will be getting in there new format.
LPFM station can only hope that they may be granted the use of some
of this then available space (89-105)and also just maybe they may be
granted a power increase to boot.
So all may not be one sided if LPFM operators can prove that they are
capable of running a good ship, thats food for thought at the best of
times from what ive heard from one or two stations.
Anyway, this no profit idea to me is crap, ive invested close to 20
grand what with commercial onair desks, towers, compressors and the
like, if rsm and the powers that be wish LPFM to conduct themselves
as good stations then they need to be able to afford the equipment to
do so.
Any business be it profit or non-profit has its income deemed AFTER
running expenses and setup costs, why should this be any different
for LPFM radio operators? Clean well run stations require good well
mantained gear in order to achieve this.

In summary, lobbying RSM may have its results, some good some not so
good, i think firstly LPFM operators must prove their salt to RSM and
the community in general in order to be taken seriously and the only
way i can see this being possable is for LPFM stations to be given a
fair go in the first place by not have to compete with commercial
stations for space in the gaurd band and also not being handcuffed to
this "no profit" crap as most stations are in it as a hobby mainly
and any financial rewards would be sunk back into their stations
anyway.

hope ive not bored you lot
andy archer Pirate FM




> I can almost guarantee this will not happen because of Rhema,
George FM,
> and similar networks that have put pressure on RSM to not do so.
>
>
>
> I don't see it as a widespread problem. Obviously it is affecting
you
> wherever you are. As someone mentioned, Rhema use LPFM in small
towns where
> they are often the only LPFM station in the air. There is not much
point
> kicking them off.
>
>
>
> Ross.
>
>
>
> From: LPFM_Radio@...
[mailto:LPFM_Radio@...]
> On Behalf Of wireless.radio
> Sent: Tuesday, 18 March 2008 9:48 p.m.
> To: LPFM_Radio@...
> Subject: [LPFM] Re: Commercial licence holders using guardband
frequencies
>
>
>
> --- In LPFM_Radio@...
> <mailto:LPFM_Radio%40yahoogroups.com.au> , "Herb" <foralaugh@>
wrote:
> >
> > Yep, a really interesting thread...
> >
> > From what I see, RGB (Rhema, etc...) operate LPFM mainly in small
> > localities of less than say 5000. Where the population is bigger
> > (Wanganui, for example) it should be possible to have a frequency
> > engineered for use.
> >
> > I really think RSM/Govt should adopt the Aussie LPFM approach...
No
> > full-time networks allowed - satellite/terrestrial. Meaning every
> > station had to be completely local, staffed by locals. The 2
stations
> > per 25K rule, in my view, should still apply. These two stations
could
> > be the same programme, or different content on each frequency.
This
> > would reduce frequency squatting and network broadcasters using
LPFM
> > at the same time.
> >
> > If a network, eg: RGB wanted to go LPFM, they would be required to
> > have it staffed locally, and content different to what's played
> > nationally 24/7. Govt would make more money this way, as it would
> > force networks to have new frequencies engineered.
> >
> > My thoughts...
> > Herb.
>
> Very good point there Herb and thank you for raising it. This would
> indeed kill many birds with one stone. It is mainly the major
> commercial networks that I am referring to - so adding a clause the
> same as the Australians are using would indeed solve quite a few
problems.
>





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It is becoming apparent that more and more commercial operators are "double dipping" and utilising guardband frequencies in addition to their licenced...
wireless.radio
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Mar 16, 2008
6:33 am

I would take this further and request a clause that prevents operators of LPFM stations from having any revenue at all....
Edwin Hermann
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Mar 16, 2008
7:32 am

There are plenty of commercial LPFM operators on this list that will disagree. I'm not making any money, in fact it's costing me $250 a month to be on the air...
Ross Levis
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Mar 16, 2008
7:55 am

Interesting conversation. Personally, I have no issue with commercial operators using LPFM frequencies *where* they don't have frequencies. Probably the...
Jesse Archer
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Mar 16, 2008
8:50 am

My 2c worth 2 is If the station is registered with the charities commission then it is a not for profit group and has no taxable income. Therefore I do not see...
Charlie Fraser
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Mar 16, 2008
8:38 pm

... One lpfm in Tauranga knocked 89.0 Radio Hauraki (at the time) off air for a good few hours before RSM figured out where the broadcast was coming from. This...
wireless.radio
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Mar 18, 2008
8:44 am

Perhaps operating a second transmitter on the same channel with entirely different programming is an option. This would be enough to encourage a commercial...
Gavin Stephens
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Mar 17, 2008
12:59 am

Yep, a really interesting thread... From what I see, RGB (Rhema, etc...) operate LPFM mainly in small localities of less than say 5000. Where the population is...
Herb
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Mar 18, 2008
6:29 am

There is no LPFM is Aussie as such. There is narrowcasting where you can apply for a licence to provide a service/music format not provided in the same area...
Ross Levis
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Mar 18, 2008
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Australia has Low Power Open Narrowcast (LPON) 1 watt (residential) 10 watt (non-residential). The content must be of "limited appeal". There are also High...
ceejay7777
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Mar 18, 2008
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... Very good point there Herb and thank you for raising it. This would indeed kill many birds with one stone. It is mainly the major commercial networks that...
wireless.radio
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Mar 18, 2008
8:48 am

I can almost guarantee this will not happen because of Rhema, George FM, and similar networks that have put pressure on RSM to not do so. I don't see it as a...
Ross Levis
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Mar 18, 2008
10:13 am

... very valid point in regards to profesonal ethics, i agree no commercial should be using the gaurd band whatsoever, they are in the business of solely...
piratefm2007
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Mar 18, 2008
12:31 pm

We will need to start thinking about the fact that radio in 10 years will likely be all digital. That may mean the current FM band will be empty, or utilized...
Ross Levis
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Mar 19, 2008
12:54 am

From some discussion I have had with TRN, DAB (satellite radio) is going to roll out some time in the next 5 years or so - but they plan to continue to run...
wireless.radio
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Mar 21, 2008
9:20 pm

... problems. What "clause" are you referring to?...
ceejay7777
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Mar 18, 2008
10:25 am

I was in Hamilton last week setting up a station. Life fm part of the RBG mothership has a high poweer licene for 94.7 (if i'm correct) and are broadcasting on...
M.B&J.D Duffy
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I believe it is 94.6 on Mt. Te Aroha. It put's a good signal into Tauranga also. What the hell are they doing on 88.6! That is ridiculous. Their signal is...
Ross Levis
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Mar 19, 2008
12:58 am

I strongly believe LPFM has nothing to worry about. Many stream on the Internet already. Or are we still focused on the old school way of delivering...
Gavin Stephens
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Mar 23, 2008
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Yes, technology does change, and we must change with it. I think FM broadcast will be around for some time to come however. It's still a viable medium and not...
wireless.radio
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Mar 23, 2008
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One thing we can learn from past experience is that things take a lot longer to change than you might think. I think WirelessRadio is right in saying that FM...
Edwin Hermann
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Mar 24, 2008
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That's right. Who's watching movies on Blue Ray HD discs. I think I'll be using DVD for several more years. From: LPFM_Radio@......
Ross Levis
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Mar 24, 2008
2:28 am

One thing we can learn from past experience is that things take a lot longer to change than you might think. I think WirelessRadio is right in saying that FM...
Edwin Hermann
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