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Re: [LPFM] STLs..

Licensed is a safer alternative as far as excluding yourself from as much interference as possible.
 
I'm going on 5 years ago when I used a mono 460MHz channel, It cost somewhere near $400-$500 to engineer a license then a small annual fee of about $100 or something like that. Things might have changed since though.
 
I'd also be interested to know what it costs for a 900MHz channel these days?
 
5-12KM's you won't need much power for a licensed STL. We used a 2W output in to low loss coax (about 20 metres LMR-400) then in to a 12~16dBi gain yagi antenna at both ends, used to get us about 20KM's - skimmed over a hill top to a non line of site receiver hence the need for 400MHz channel. 900MHz mono/stereo etc... would obviously be more picky about line of site.
 
You can modify analogue A/V senders but you're living with the chances of interference. Especially if the receive antenna is pointing over a township. The max you can output on analogue is 1W, keeping in mind most of the transmitters energy is spent on video output?
 
There's some digital audio senders around @ 2.4GHz that work well after being modified to have antenna out sockets with grid antennas. They do forward error correction, sound pretty transparent (uncompressed 16-bit 44,100Hz stereo, 20Hz-20KHz) and nothing else seems to work on the same channel when they are running. However it's still open to interference. They do let you use 4W since they are digitally modulated. I tried one over 3KM's non line of site in a 50,000 population town, didn't suffer any interference even with only about 10mW going in to a grid antenna. With a booster on the right cable to get 4W after the antenna they run extremely well.
 
Mosgiel on the back of Dunedin are using one, a DAS-100's digital sender, I forget the PCB board numbers now my other one is been tested elsewhere. That seems to still be working for them fine in the 2.4GHz band despite the receiver being able to change channel automatically if someone else sent it a powerful enough digital signal to it. There's newer one's that also use frequency hopping but I haven't personally tried them yet. However again, open to interference and require some blind setup work (no level metering etc...)
 
Depending on your spectrum use nearby I think there's a few other options.  I think Ross still uses something down around 76MHz or something with an appropriate transmitter/receiver? It's a license free part of spectrum aswell, but again possible interference if it's not already in use to begin with.
 
Looking forward to others replies also on STL costs.
 
 
Gavin.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Herb
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:38 PM
Subject: [LPFM] STLs..

Hi all,

Just wondering whether anyone could please give me the laymans low-down on STLs?

Supposing I'm looking to move my Tx to a higher location that's, say, 5-12k's away as the crow flies from my current studio location.

I've heard stuff about modifing a 2.4GHz AV sender by putting a high gain Rx & TX aerial (grid or otherwise) on the respective AV units. I understand these will work over short distances, but how about over longer distances?

Would it be better to buy a purpose built unit? If so, what would be an adequate power output, where would one buy one, and roughly how much would they cost?

I notice there are some 'free' frequencies in the 2.4GHz range, but would it also be better to get a licenced one? If so, what is the process and how much?

Thanks in advance,

Herb.



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Hi all, Just wondering whether anyone could please give me the laymans low-down on STLs? Supposing I'm looking to move my Tx to a higher location that's, say,...
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Hi Herb I believe Acres Electronics in Oamaru sell STLs. Dunno about price. http://www.acreselectronics.co.nz/ cheers Geoff...
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Licensed is a safer alternative as far as excluding yourself from as much interference as possible. I'm going on 5 years ago when I used a mono 460MHz channel,...
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... Thanks Gavin, very informative. What you have written above interests me most. I just tried a google search for Das-100, but can't find anything relevent....
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Most of them are analogue. I'll try and dig up the link I had for the actual PCB makers. The one I used had 3.5mm stereo unbalanced jack in on both the TX and...
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Hi all, We offer these to work on IP circuits, http://www.avw.co.nz/ItemGroup1.aspx http://www.avw.co.nz/Item1.aspx?ID=12269 ...
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There's a couple of digital senders on trade me like these but one's USB, the other I'm waiting on a reply from. ...
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I didn't know Axel had those. Have they been around for a while? The only two things I would stick on them is balanced i/o's and an uncompressed option. I'm...
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www.elansat.com The units I used have the DIO-T003 and DIO-R003 I believe they were. But they were the FSK modules, the FHSS are even better. Gavin. ... From:...
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As far as 900 MHz frequencies go you might be hard pushed to get one. Certainly in Auckland there are none available. Other areas of the country you might be...
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http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=232065023 Here's another DAS-100 listing. Same as the one I modified and what Mosgiel modified and uses. It's...
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Shop around - you can get 'em cheaper: ...
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Hi I have one of these units (DAS-100) and generally it works just fine. I use it to send a signal from one room to another where it is impractical to run ...
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This one is far from the same product. ... From: Edwin Hermann To: LPFM_Radio@... Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [LPFM]...
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Explain how it's different (excuse my ignorance)...
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Analog, Has video Not any cheaper one its landed really and by the time you worry about sourcing compliant power supplies it will be more expensive. From:...
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Doh I could have sworn it said digital (that's the only reason I posted). Indeed it's analogue - thus I stand corrected :)...
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These one's are digital with forward error correction and audio only. Being digital means 4 Watts E.I.R.P after a gain antenna vs an analogue video sender with...
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That was quick, another LPFM'r has jumped on it. I might get my old one back one of these days Mr chrisd :o) I'll be sure to post when more show up on Trade...
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The fella that sold that one Trade Me has another two judging by an email I got forwarded. ... From: Edwin Hermann To: LPFM_Radio@... Sent:...
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It could be a bluetooth device nearby, just a possibility. I know bluetooth just jumps over anything that is already transmitting. I tried the DAS-100 along...
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