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#2025 From: "tony @ mulcher" <tony@...>
Date: Tue Nov 18, 2003 1:34 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Frequency Auction leprosyjack
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auction as on the rsm site - http://auction.med.govt.nz/results/PDLIST.htm

auckland auctions are in schedule 3... looks like 'Sahil Family Trust' has 1.1 million dollars already to throw at a couple of frequencies.

sigh.

"if I were a rich man, daidle deedle daidle, daidle daidle deedle daidle dum" etc...

Cheers

Tony

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What auction is that?

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Sent: Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:03
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I see one of the Auckland FM frequencies has past the half millon dollar figure already in today's Auction Steve

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#2024 From: "Ross Levis" <ross@...>
Date: Tue Nov 18, 2003 1:24 am
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What auction is that?

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I see one of the Auckland FM frequencies has past the half millon dollar figure already in today's Auction Steve

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#2023 From: "kiwihamsteve" <stevej@...>
Date: Tue Nov 18, 2003 1:02 am
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I see one of the Auckland FM frequencies has past the half millon
dollar figure already  in today's Auction

Steve

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#2022 From: "Jochen Siegenthaler" <Jochen.Siegenthaler@...>
Date: Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:36 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Poll results for LPFM_Radio jochensiegen...
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No, the delivery of the Concert Program to all sites, incl Sky, is the
same.

It _is_ uncompressed. To every site. Throughout the country.

Jochen

>>> kiwi_rock@... 18/11/03 >>>
>I believe the Concert Programme still broadcast with no compression
whatsoever.

Appart from on Sky. I think they are all 96-112Kbps Layer-2. That's
sopose to be a semi benchmark for DAB. Sounds like a quality backwards
step to me. Just adds headaches for those already using not very good
compression. Although some stations on Sky sound ok, they are picking it
up of a tuner in Auckland, if it was a land line with more codecs....
I've heard the end result of that before even with wave's unless you can
afford the high bandwidth link for uncompressed.

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#2021 From: "Gavin Stephens" <kiwi_rock@...>
Date: Mon Nov 17, 2003 11:48 pm
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Poll results for LPFM_Radio kiwi_rock_24
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>I believe the Concert Programme still broadcast with no compression whatsoever.

Appart from on Sky. I think they are all 96-112Kbps Layer-2. That's sopose to be a semi benchmark for DAB. Sounds like a quality backwards step to me. Just adds headaches for those already using not very good compression. Although some stations on Sky sound ok, they are picking it up of a tuner in Auckland, if it was a land line with more codecs.... I've heard the end result of that before even with wave's unless you can afford the high bandwidth link for uncompressed.

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#2020 From: "Gavin Stephens" <kiwi_rock@...>
Date: Mon Nov 17, 2003 11:45 pm
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Poll results for LPFM_Radio kiwi_rock_24
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>Having a fine ear, I monitor mp3 quality by listening rather than the math or anything else.

Likewise. When I was using mp3 the only difference in bitrates I couldn't hear was 256-320, so decided to go with 256. I did use 160-192 for a while until my discovery with a song that went under water during a phase shift.

>Anything at 128 sounds

Yup.

>like its 'underwater', at 160 you can hear it on the tops, and snare hits, and at 192 or above - its exactly like CD.

I can just hear the difference on only a few songs around 256, the tops just sound more synthetic on a few Tina Turner tracks.

This is why I was bemused with such a high setting for mp3. I encode either with LAME or Cool Edit Pro. Pro Tools uses the german mp3 codec like Cool Edit, so there is no apparent difference. I only encode mp3 as stereo, not joint or ms stereo.

I beleive the encoder in Cool Edit Pro is also Fraunhofer based, but written by ummm someone else that incorperates it in their plug-in, now a days it's called mp3 pro I think.

However, if you are operating on LPFM - it's really pointless to go overboard. I do not see an opportunity for microbroadcasters to use a DAB platform in the near or distant future - and considering the trend of over-population of the guardband, it really is pointless to encode at the extreme higher end - just to broadcast a clean uncompressed signal, that gets RF interference from other LP stations, taxis and the like.. Do you guys store files in stereo and tx stereo or the majority in mono for signal purposes? > When you hear a cd played on-air through analogue or high-end digital audio processors, there's something about how 'clean' and open it sounds that simply leaves everyone else on the dial sounding what a lot of people now deam to be a bad term, 'digital'. As for full powered stations - if they could all broadcast uncompressed wave, that would be wonderful. More FM Auckland as we know are the only ones still using CD live to air. Bless em.

Would be nice. If they are willing to try low bit-rate mp2 for DAB, I can't see why they don't go the extra distance with something in another band similar to nicam, a 14-bit 32KHz uncompressed audio format, with data compression to shrink it to 12-bit. kinda like a zip file on a wave. R.
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#2019 From: "Jochen Siegenthaler" <Jochen.Siegenthaler@...>
Date: Mon Nov 17, 2003 9:35 pm
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I believe the Concert Programme still broadcast with no compression
whatsoever.

Right from the studio through the digital transmission path they have
no compression.

Hence they sound a little quieter at times, but the dyanmic range is
higher and arguably more 'Hi-Fi'

Jochen

>>> richard.phelps@... 18/11/03 >>>
Well thats a good deal for two cents..

> 192Kbps employs the joint stereo encoding method, not independent
bandwidth for each channel like 224, 256 and 320Kbps (like a cd
player or even cassette tape record).

thats intruiging..

If there's to much stereo activity like a phase effect, it pushes the
encoder to use only its limited stereo' difference' tracks, hence it
simply runs out of space to make it sound like a standard 192 file
and fails to encode anywhere near cd quality, I've even found this to
happen in Fraunhofer's engine.

Having a fine ear, I monitor mp3 quality by listening rather than the
math or anything else. Using a program like Cool Edit Pro, I have a
hotkey setup to quickly mix the tracks to create what is fondly known
as Vocal Cut, or voice stripper. This uses the L + -R (for left),
and -L + R-inverted (for right), thus creating the third speaker in a
3.1 setup.
Anything at 128 sounds like its 'underwater', at 160 you can hear it
on the tops, and snare hits, and at 192 or above - its exactly like
CD. This is why I was bemused with such a high setting for mp3. I
encode either with LAME or Cool Edit Pro. Pro Tools uses the german
mp3 codec like Cool Edit, so there is no apparent difference.
I only encode mp3 as stereo, not joint or ms stereo.

However, if you are operating on LPFM - it's really pointless to go
overboard. I do not see an opportunity for microbroadcasters to use a
DAB platform in the near or distant future - and considering the
trend of over-population of the guardband, it really is pointless to
encode at the extreme higher end - just to broadcast a clean
uncompressed signal, that gets RF interference from other LP
stations, taxis and the like..

> When you hear a cd played on-air through analogue or high-end
digital audio processors, there's something about how 'clean' and
open it sounds that simply leaves everyone else on the dial sounding
what a lot of people now deam to be a bad term, 'digital'.

As for full powered stations - if they could all broadcast
uncompressed wave, that would be wonderful. More FM Auckland as we
know are the only ones still using CD live to air. Bless em.

R.


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#2018 From: "Richard Phelps" <richard.phelps@...>
Date: Mon Nov 17, 2003 9:25 pm
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Well thats a good deal for two cents..

> 192Kbps employs the joint stereo encoding method, not independent
bandwidth for each channel like 224, 256 and 320Kbps (like a cd
player or even cassette tape record).

thats intruiging..

If there's to much stereo activity like a phase effect, it pushes the
encoder to use only its limited stereo' difference' tracks, hence it
simply runs out of space to make it sound like a standard 192 file
and fails to encode anywhere near cd quality, I've even found this to
happen in Fraunhofer's engine.

Having a fine ear, I monitor mp3 quality by listening rather than the
math or anything else. Using a program like Cool Edit Pro, I have a
hotkey setup to quickly mix the tracks to create what is fondly known
as Vocal Cut, or voice stripper. This uses the L + -R (for left),
and -L + R-inverted (for right), thus creating the third speaker in a
3.1 setup.
Anything at 128 sounds like its 'underwater', at 160 you can hear it
on the tops, and snare hits, and at 192 or above - its exactly like
CD. This is why I was bemused with such a high setting for mp3. I
encode either with LAME or Cool Edit Pro. Pro Tools uses the german
mp3 codec like Cool Edit, so there is no apparent difference.
I only encode mp3 as stereo, not joint or ms stereo.

However, if you are operating on LPFM - it's really pointless to go
overboard. I do not see an opportunity for microbroadcasters to use a
DAB platform in the near or distant future - and considering the
trend of over-population of the guardband, it really is pointless to
encode at the extreme higher end - just to broadcast a clean
uncompressed signal, that gets RF interference from other LP
stations, taxis and the like..

> When you hear a cd played on-air through analogue or high-end
digital audio processors, there's something about how 'clean' and
open it sounds that simply leaves everyone else on the dial sounding
what a lot of people now deam to be a bad term, 'digital'.

As for full powered stations - if they could all broadcast
uncompressed wave, that would be wonderful. More FM Auckland as we
know are the only ones still using CD live to air. Bless em.

R.

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#2017 From: "Gavin Stephens" <kiwi_rock@...>
Date: Sun Nov 16, 2003 11:55 pm
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Poll results for LPFM_Radio kiwi_rock_24
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Someone hit a very sesitive topic..... my 2 cents again for those contemplating audio compression. Plus a little understanding towards 192 vs 224Kbps+.

192Kbps employs the joint stereo encoding method, not independent bandwidth for each channel like 224, 256 and 320Kbps (like a cd player or even cassette tape record). I have one song in particular that changes phase 180 degrees left from right sources, kinda like a fancy flange, and with any bitrate lower than 224 (non-joint stereo) the phasing effect puts the song in a completely 'swishy-under water' sound, worse than a low bitrate internet stream (I use this for evaluating encoders, a 90's pop song). True there's not many songs like that around.... however it can be avoided. Bitrates below 224, have a large 'centre' or mono storage track as I understand reserved where everything common between left and right is stored. Two tiny tracks with limited bandwidth are then left for the subtle stereo differences between left and right. If there's to much stereo activity like a phase effect, it pushes the encoder to use only its limited stereo' difference' tracks, hence it simply runs out of space to make it sound like a standard 192 file and fails to encode anywhere near cd quality, I've even found this to happen in Fraunhofer's engine.

I've taken note of any station or software I've had to do work with in the sense of what are they doing, most use 256Kbps Layer-II. Understandably you get better sound at lower rates on MP3, however, unless your codec allows to specify indepedent stereo at 192, you'll may soon find a favourite song one day that doesn't sound favourite once it's been encoded joint. Other audio compression schemes that employ mpeg such as Video CD's and DVD's without dolby also only allow 224kbps - 320Kbps to keep a decent stereo image.

These days with radio going digital around the world, I can not see how programme directors are ever going to get away with using lower than 256Kbps Layer-III, as DAB uses something cronic like 112Kbps Layer-II and that's in stereo.... kinda like how the wolf sounded on Sky, some Internet streams can sound better. DAB also talks heaps about 32KHz sample rate, use that with already mp3'ed or mp2'ed files, and you have about as much crispness to your high frequencies as a potatoe chip being eaten with a pillow covering your mouth. About 12-13KHz wide. They say it's 15KHz wide, most codecs drop dead at 14KHz at 32000 sample, or are replacing the high hat with a squished snare sound.

Drives with a 3 yr waranty and uncompressed files should last?, people do DV cam video work these days on home computers requiring 50 times more head wear. I've done that much wear editing uncomrpessed files on two western digital drives at home it should equate to a few years or more of on-air playback of PCM files.

When you hear a cd played on-air through analogue or high-end digital audio processors, there's something about how 'clean' and open it sounds that simply leaves everyone else on the dial sounding what a lot of people now deam to be a bad term, 'digital'. They all sound squished and not just their volume, but the quality of the audio compression. According to RCS, there are a few now getting in to the market of PCM uncompressed audio for pre-DAB delivery and simply because it's an easy way to strive in a Californian market that all sounds 'digital'. I would say drives these days are getting pretty cheap for the extra storage.. and listener fatigue is the worse turn off.

Just my 2 cents of innovation vs followers.

Cheers,

Gavin

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Ed you mad bugger!?!? Why such a high setting for mp3? 192kbps is the same as uncompressed wave in terms of kbps - anything above like 320kbps is wasting space on your drive my friend.. Not to mention radio is prone to interference - moreso LPFM. It's a highly debatable subject in terms of quality vs coverage. My 'On Air' files are 192kbps/44.1/16bit - and the quality is good. I have backups of every song as full wave, and these backups were made and recorded to CD prior to mp3 conversion for airplay. That way, I have a high quality backup standing by if my harddrive decides to pack its bags. It hasnt happened yet, and according to my CPU monitor, I dont have to worry until August 2008 before my machine exits the computing world. Y'know - just.. yeah, anyway.. Im gonna put a compression test on the net, once thats up, I will put a link up through the messageboard here, and conduct your own experiments. All the best mate - hope them transmitters aint giving you too much hard timez.. If TLC Radio are lurking (and reading) - I'm curious about your settings! Mono something I know.. but just what?? R. > Perhaps the question should be more about the compression used, not > the file format. > > Anyway, the compression I use is MP3, 44.1 kHz, Stereo, 320 kbps CBR. > > > perfer uncomrpessed wave here, if mp3, real stereo not joint stereo 224kbps and up.
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#2016 From: "Ross Levis" <ross@...>
Date: Sun Nov 16, 2003 11:24 pm
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Richard Phelps wrote:
> 192kbps is the same as uncompressed wave in terms of kbps

Hardly. 192kb/s is over 7:1 compression. Did you mean in terms of sound quality. I would agree that LAME encoded MP3's at 192kb/s would be as close to the original sound quality as anyone should ever need. I would say the same for 160kb/s Ogg Vorbis files. But I'm not even this picky for FM broadcasting. I use to use LAME VBR averaging around 135-140kb/s. Now I use Ogg Vorbis at -q3 which averages 112kb/s and I can't tell the difference from the original. Certainly my listeners will not.

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#2015 From: "Richard Phelps" <richard.phelps@...>
Date: Sun Nov 16, 2003 10:41 pm
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Ed you mad bugger!?!?

Why such a high setting for mp3? 192kbps is the same as uncompressed
wave in terms of kbps - anything above like 320kbps is wasting space
on your drive my friend.. Not to mention radio is prone to
interference - moreso LPFM. It's a highly debatable subject in terms
of quality vs coverage.

My 'On Air' files are 192kbps/44.1/16bit - and the quality is good. I
have backups of every song as full wave, and these backups were made
and recorded to CD prior to mp3 conversion for airplay. That way, I
have a high quality backup standing by if my harddrive decides to
pack its bags. It hasnt happened yet, and according to my CPU
monitor, I dont have to worry until August 2008 before my machine
exits the computing world. Y'know - just.. yeah, anyway..

Im gonna put a compression test on the net, once thats up, I will put
a link up through the messageboard here, and conduct your own
experiments.

All the best mate - hope them transmitters aint giving you too much
hard timez..

If TLC Radio are lurking (and reading) - I'm curious about your
settings! Mono something I know.. but just what??

R.


> Perhaps the question should be more about the compression used, not
> the file format.
>
> Anyway, the compression I use is MP3, 44.1 kHz, Stereo, 320 kbps
CBR.
>

> > perfer uncomrpessed wave here, if mp3, real stereo not joint
stereo 224kbps and up.

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#2014 From: Michael and Ross <alnairgrus@...>
Date: Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:39 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] "The Wave", a new LPFM Station in New Brighton Christchurch alnairgrus
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Jonathon
Your music/programming is good after by what MBS FM
used to play.
Michael
--- Chris Diack - Concerta Consultants
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> Hi Jonathon... welcome back...  Chris, in
> Invercargill.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jonathan Mosen" <jonathan@...>
> To: <lpfm_radio@...>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:36 PM
> Subject: [LPFM] "The Wave", a new LPFM Station in
> New Brighton Christchurch
>
>
> > Hi all.
> >
> > For those who maintain LPFM directories and/or
> take an interest in such
> > things, at midnight this morning, The Wave began
> transmission on 88.4
> > mhz. The Wave plays the freshest mix of memories
> for New Brighton with
> > the best music from the last five decades, as well
> as community news and
> > interviews.
> >
> > Every evening at 7 PM, The Wave hosts a show
> especially for kids, and
> > there are feature programmes in the evenings such
> as our novelty show,
> > the Friday Funnies at 9 PM on a Friday evening.
> >
> > Contact details are:
> > Phone: (03)-38-28-884.
> > Fax: (03)-3-884-077.
> >
> > General comments: feedback@....
> > Sales: sales@...
> >
> > We will have a web site up soon.
> >
> > Nice to be back in LPFM land.
> >
> > The Mosen Explosion Radio Show is returning! Visit
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> > Jonathan Mosen
> > mailto:jonathan@...
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> >
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#2013 From: "Chris Diack - Concerta Consultants" <diack@...>
Date: Thu Nov 13, 2003 7:39 am
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Hi Jonathon... welcome back...  Chris, in Invercargill.


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> Hi all.
>
> For those who maintain LPFM directories and/or take an interest in such
> things, at midnight this morning, The Wave began transmission on 88.4
> mhz. The Wave plays the freshest mix of memories for New Brighton with
> the best music from the last five decades, as well as community news and
> interviews.
>
> Every evening at 7 PM, The Wave hosts a show especially for kids, and
> there are feature programmes in the evenings such as our novelty show,
> the Friday Funnies at 9 PM on a Friday evening.
>
> Contact details are:
> Phone: (03)-38-28-884.
> Fax: (03)-3-884-077.
>
> General comments: feedback@....
> Sales: sales@...
>
> We will have a web site up soon.
>
> Nice to be back in LPFM land.
>
> The Mosen Explosion Radio Show is returning! Visit the Mosen Explosion
> Weblog at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
> Jonathan Mosen
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#2012 From: "SOUNDWAVE FM - Hawke's Bay's 88.70 & 107.30 FM in Napier." <soundwavefm@...>
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Hi Jonathan

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Subject: [LPFM] "The Wave", a new LPFM Station in New Brighton Christchurch

Hi all. For those who maintain LPFM directories and/or take an interest in such things, at midnight this morning, The Wave began transmission on 88.4 mhz. The Wave plays the freshest mix of memories for New Brighton with the best music from the last five decades, as well as community news and interviews. Every evening at 7 PM, The Wave hosts a show especially for kids, and there are feature programmes in the evenings such as our novelty show, the Friday Funnies at 9 PM on a Friday evening. Contact details are: Phone: (03)-38-28-884. Fax: (03)-3-884-077. General comments: feedback@.... Sales: sales@... We will have a web site up soon. Nice to be back in LPFM land. The Mosen Explosion Radio Show is returning! Visit the Mosen Explosion Weblog at http://www.MosenExplosion.com Jonathan Mosen mailto:jonathan@...
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#2011 From: Michael and Ross <alnairgrus@...>
Date: Thu Nov 13, 2003 5:29 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] "The Wave", a new LPFM Station in New Brighton Christchurch alnairgrus
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Why Christchurch have all the interesting stations...

Michael
--- Jonathan Mosen <jonathan@...> wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> For those who maintain LPFM directories and/or take
> an interest in such
> things, at midnight this morning, The Wave began
> transmission on 88.4
> mhz. The Wave plays the freshest mix of memories for
> New Brighton with
> the best music from the last five decades, as well
> as community news and
> interviews.
>
> Every evening at 7 PM, The Wave hosts a show
> especially for kids, and
> there are feature programmes in the evenings such as
> our novelty show,
> the Friday Funnies at 9 PM on a Friday evening.
>
> Contact details are:
> Phone: (03)-38-28-884.
> Fax: (03)-3-884-077.
>
> General comments: feedback@....
> Sales: sales@...
>
> We will have a web site up soon.
>
> Nice to be back in LPFM land.
>
> The Mosen Explosion Radio Show is returning! Visit
> the Mosen Explosion
> Weblog at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
> Jonathan Mosen
> mailto:jonathan@...
>
>


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#2010 From: "Ross Levis" <ross@...>
Date: Thu Nov 13, 2003 4:52 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] "The Wave", a new LPFM Station in New Brighton Christchurch rosslevis
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Hi Jonathan

Good to see you settled in Christchurch and back on the air. The best of luck.

Regards,

Ross.

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From: Jonathan Mosen

To: lpfm_radio@...

Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:36 PM

Subject: [LPFM] "The Wave", a new LPFM Station in New Brighton Christchurch

Hi all. For those who maintain LPFM directories and/or take an interest in such things, at midnight this morning, The Wave began transmission on 88.4 mhz. The Wave plays the freshest mix of memories for New Brighton with the best music from the last five decades, as well as community news and interviews. Every evening at 7 PM, The Wave hosts a show especially for kids, and there are feature programmes in the evenings such as our novelty show, the Friday Funnies at 9 PM on a Friday evening. Contact details are: Phone: (03)-38-28-884. Fax: (03)-3-884-077. General comments: feedback@.... Sales: sales@... We will have a web site up soon. Nice to be back in LPFM land. The Mosen Explosion Radio Show is returning! Visit the Mosen Explosion Weblog at http://www.MosenExplosion.com Jonathan Mosen mailto:jonathan@...
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#2009 From: "Jonathan Mosen" <jonathan@...>
Date: Thu Nov 13, 2003 4:36 am
Subject:: "The Wave", a new LPFM Station in New Brighton Christchurch jonathan@...
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Hi all.

For those who maintain LPFM directories and/or take an interest in such
things, at midnight this morning, The Wave began transmission on 88.4
mhz. The Wave plays the freshest mix of memories for New Brighton with
the best music from the last five decades, as well as community news and
interviews.

Every evening at 7 PM, The Wave hosts a show especially for kids, and
there are feature programmes in the evenings such as our novelty show,
the Friday Funnies at 9 PM on a Friday evening.

Contact details are:
Phone: (03)-38-28-884.
Fax: (03)-3-884-077.

General comments: feedback@....
Sales: sales@...

We will have a web site up soon.

Nice to be back in LPFM land.

The Mosen Explosion Radio Show is returning! Visit the Mosen Explosion
Weblog at http://www.MosenExplosion.com
Jonathan Mosen
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#2008 From: Mix FM <mixfm@...>
Date: Wed Nov 12, 2003 5:42 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Poll results for LPFM_Radio mix_fm_welli...
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Perhaps the question should be more about the compression used, not
the file format.

Take my station for example - all the songs are inthe .ots file
format, but with mp3 compression.

The file format is simply a "wrapper" and means nothing.

Anyway, the compression I use is MP3, 44.1 kHz, Stereo, 320 kbps CBR.

Edwin.


On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:29:33 +1300, Gavin Stephens wrote:
> whoops didn't realise there was a pole for this.
> perfer uncomrpessed wave here, if mp3, real stereo not joint stereo
> 224kbps and up.
>
> gav.
>
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> From:  LPFM_Radio@...
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:26  AM
> Subject: [LPFM] Poll results for  LPFM_Radio
>
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> The following LPFM_Radio poll is now closed.  Here  are the
> final results:
>
>
> POLL QUESTION: Which file format do you  use - or
> prefer, for your broadcast application?
>
> CHOICES AND  RESULTS
> - .mp3 (128kbps), 1 votes, 11.11%
> - .mp3 (192kbps), 3  votes, 33.33%
> - .mp3 (other), 2 votes, 22.22%
> - .mp2  (32k/16bit), 0 votes, 0.00%
> - .mp2 (other), 0 votes, 0.00%
> - .wav (uncompressed), 1 votes, 11.11%
> - .wav (ADPCM), 1 votes,  11.11%
> - .wav (Other), 0 votes, 0.00%
> - .wma (Windows  Media), 0 votes, 0.00%
> - .aiff or .snd (Apple), 0 votes, 0.00%
> - .au (32k/16bit), 0 votes, 0.00%
> - .ogg (Ogg Vorbiss), 1 votes,  11.11%
> - Don't Know, 0 votes, 0.00%
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#2007 From: "Gavin Stephens" <kiwi_rock@...>
Date: Tue Nov 11, 2003 11:29 pm
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Poll results for LPFM_Radio kiwi_rock_24
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whoops didn't realise there was a pole for this.

perfer uncomrpessed wave here, if mp3, real stereo not joint stereo 224kbps and up.

gav.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:26 AM

Subject: [LPFM] Poll results for LPFM_Radio

The following LPFM_Radio poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: Which file format do you use - or prefer, for your broadcast application? CHOICES AND RESULTS - .mp3 (128kbps), 1 votes, 11.11% - .mp3 (192kbps), 3 votes, 33.33% - .mp3 (other), 2 votes, 22.22% - .mp2 (32k/16bit), 0 votes, 0.00% - .mp2 (other), 0 votes, 0.00% - .wav (uncompressed), 1 votes, 11.11% - .wav (ADPCM), 1 votes, 11.11% - .wav (Other), 0 votes, 0.00% - .wma (Windows Media), 0 votes, 0.00% - .aiff or .snd (Apple), 0 votes, 0.00% - .au (32k/16bit), 0 votes, 0.00% - .ogg (Ogg Vorbiss), 1 votes, 11.11% - Don't Know, 0 votes, 0.00% For more information about this group, please visit http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LPFM_Radio For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/au/groups/
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#2006 From: "Richard Phelps" <richard.phelps@...>
Date: Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:32 pm
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Where in Manurewa are you located? I was there this morning, and Apna
was pretty clear all through on 88.1

Is there anything up higher? 106/107?

R.

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#2005 From: LPFM_Radio@...
Date: Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:26 pm
Subject:: Poll results for LPFM_Radio LPFM_Radio@...
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The following LPFM_Radio poll is now closed.  Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: Which file format do you use - or
prefer, for your broadcast application?

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- .mp3 (128kbps), 1 votes, 11.11%
- .mp3 (192kbps), 3 votes, 33.33%
- .mp3 (other), 2 votes, 22.22%
- .mp2 (32k/16bit), 0 votes, 0.00%
- .mp2 (other), 0 votes, 0.00%
- .wav (uncompressed), 1 votes, 11.11%
- .wav (ADPCM), 1 votes, 11.11%
- .wav (Other), 0 votes, 0.00%
- .wma (Windows Media), 0 votes, 0.00%
- .aiff or .snd (Apple), 0 votes, 0.00%
- .au (32k/16bit), 0 votes, 0.00%
- .ogg (Ogg Vorbiss), 1 votes, 11.11%
- Don't Know, 0 votes, 0.00%



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#2004 From: "Gavin Stephens" <kiwi_rock@...>
Date: Fri Nov 7, 2003 1:29 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Auckland... kiwi_rock_24
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oh i see, they aren't included in results appart from the others.

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From: Chris Diack - Concerta Consultants

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:05 PM

Subject: [LPFM] Auckland...

It is with some concern that we hear, unofficially, that the LPFM scene in Auckland has been causing a lot of grief for the MED, which has some serious ramifications for those of us with a less agressive agenda.

What is possible, and I predict will happen, is that the Ministry will look at this fiasco, and seek that to recover costs from licensing the band, after they deal with using whatever legal redress they have to eliminate the problem of the individuals or organisations who are making a mockery of the intent and principals of the LPFM band.

What can we do to protect the sanctuary we have for hobby and enthusiast broadcasters to use this band for local community broadcasting?

It is indeed possible that we will find that a cost recovery fee will eventually be applied sooner, than later to the half watt users, but I also believe that the likes of ethnic broadcasters will feel the need to lobby for special dispensation along the lines of the reserved frequencies for Access, Maori and Pacific Island broadcasting.

I repeat, one more time, that if we had a co-ordinated approach to represent our reason for existing, we would have some lobbying power to get what we want, and just what is that.

At Country Radio in Invercargill, we have defined our demographic as being Country Music 24 hours a day 7 days a week, with local, live content wherever we can, and a business plan to recover, wherever possible, the costs of operation, and reinvest some revenue into the long term future operation of the station.

We're even so serious about our strategic plan that we're listed in the lastest ratings survey...

http://www.radios.co.nz/radio_research/Station_Pages/Southland/southland.htm

Note that the TAB station on 91.6, Hauraki on 93.2, and Nui fM somewhere above 100 in the FM band, and we have another LPFM'er on 88.1... Yes we have 23 station in our marketplace... Stunning huh!

A vision I have had for over 10 years now is to utilise LPFM for small country towns to establish little stations of their own, and we, as pioneers of micro broadcasting, are well placed to help local councils and individuals to make this happen.

Is there anyone who shares this vision... I know that Dave Smith in Christchurch does.

Lets stir things up again and see we share any common ground.

I'm thinking somehow that we don't and possibly never will... and I hope I'm wrong.

Chris Diack

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#2003 From: "Gavin Stephens" <kiwi_rock@...>
Date: Fri Nov 7, 2003 1:28 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Auckland... kiwi_rock_24
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Did they put 88.4 on there because of the amount of people stating country radio? I thought that was around $10,000 to be listed.

----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Diack - Concerta Consultants

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:05 PM

Subject: [LPFM] Auckland...

It is with some concern that we hear, unofficially, that the LPFM scene in Auckland has been causing a lot of grief for the MED, which has some serious ramifications for those of us with a less agressive agenda.

What is possible, and I predict will happen, is that the Ministry will look at this fiasco, and seek that to recover costs from licensing the band, after they deal with using whatever legal redress they have to eliminate the problem of the individuals or organisations who are making a mockery of the intent and principals of the LPFM band.

What can we do to protect the sanctuary we have for hobby and enthusiast broadcasters to use this band for local community broadcasting?

It is indeed possible that we will find that a cost recovery fee will eventually be applied sooner, than later to the half watt users, but I also believe that the likes of ethnic broadcasters will feel the need to lobby for special dispensation along the lines of the reserved frequencies for Access, Maori and Pacific Island broadcasting.

I repeat, one more time, that if we had a co-ordinated approach to represent our reason for existing, we would have some lobbying power to get what we want, and just what is that.

At Country Radio in Invercargill, we have defined our demographic as being Country Music 24 hours a day 7 days a week, with local, live content wherever we can, and a business plan to recover, wherever possible, the costs of operation, and reinvest some revenue into the long term future operation of the station.

We're even so serious about our strategic plan that we're listed in the lastest ratings survey...

http://www.radios.co.nz/radio_research/Station_Pages/Southland/southland.htm

Note that the TAB station on 91.6, Hauraki on 93.2, and Nui fM somewhere above 100 in the FM band, and we have another LPFM'er on 88.1... Yes we have 23 station in our marketplace... Stunning huh!

A vision I have had for over 10 years now is to utilise LPFM for small country towns to establish little stations of their own, and we, as pioneers of micro broadcasting, are well placed to help local councils and individuals to make this happen.

Is there anyone who shares this vision... I know that Dave Smith in Christchurch does.

Lets stir things up again and see we share any common ground.

I'm thinking somehow that we don't and possibly never will... and I hope I'm wrong.

Chris Diack

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#2002 From: "Chris Diack - Concerta Consultants" <diack@...>
Date: Thu Nov 6, 2003 11:05 pm
Subject:: Auckland... diack@...
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It is with some concern that we hear, unofficially, that the LPFM scene in Auckland has been causing a lot of grief for the MED, which has some serious ramifications for those of us with a less agressive agenda.

What is possible, and I predict will happen, is that the Ministry will look at this fiasco, and seek that to recover costs from licensing the band, after they deal with using whatever legal redress they have to eliminate the problem of the individuals or organisations who are making a mockery of the intent and principals of the LPFM band.

What can we do to protect the sanctuary we have for hobby and enthusiast broadcasters to use this band for local community broadcasting?

It is indeed possible that we will find that a cost recovery fee will eventually be applied sooner, than later to the half watt users, but I also believe that the likes of ethnic broadcasters will feel the need to lobby for special dispensation along the lines of the reserved frequencies for Access, Maori and Pacific Island broadcasting.

I repeat, one more time, that if we had a co-ordinated approach to represent our reason for existing, we would have some lobbying power to get what we want, and just what is that.

At Country Radio in Invercargill, we have defined our demographic as being Country Music 24 hours a day 7 days a week, with local, live content wherever we can, and a business plan to recover, wherever possible, the costs of operation, and reinvest some revenue into the long term future operation of the station.

We're even so serious about our strategic plan that we're listed in the lastest ratings survey...

http://www.radios.co.nz/radio_research/Station_Pages/Southland/southland.htm

Note that the TAB station on 91.6, Hauraki on 93.2, and Nui fM somewhere above 100 in the FM band, and we have another LPFM'er on 88.1... Yes we have 23 station in our marketplace... Stunning huh!

A vision I have had for over 10 years now is to utilise LPFM for small country towns to establish little stations of their own, and we, as pioneers of micro broadcasting, are well placed to help local councils and individuals to make this happen.

Is there anyone who shares this vision... I know that Dave Smith in Christchurch does.

Lets stir things up again and see we share any common ground.

I'm thinking somehow that we don't and possibly never will... and I hope I'm wrong.

Chris Diack

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#2001 From: LPFM_Radio@...
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 10:12 pm
Subject:: New poll for LPFM_Radio LPFM_Radio@...
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Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
LPFM_Radio group:

Which file format do you use - or
prefer, for your broadcast application?

   o .mp3 (128kbps)
   o .mp3 (192kbps)
   o .mp3 (other)
   o .mp2 (32k/16bit)
   o .mp2 (other)
   o .wav (uncompressed)
   o .wav (ADPCM)
   o .wav (Other)
   o .wma (Windows Media)
   o .aiff or .snd (Apple)
   o .au (32k/16bit)
   o .ogg (Ogg Vorbiss)
   o Don't Know


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#2000 From: "Ross Levis" <ross@...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 10:10 pm
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I'm sure most people will be using mp3, whether downloaded or encoded themselves. I switched to encoding new music with Ogg Vorbis a couple of years ago but most of my collection is VBR MP3's encoded with LAME.

Regards,

Ross.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:04 AM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Setting up lpfm

I have put a bunch of URL's from my Favourites list, into the Links section here. They contain links to RFS29 Compliant Transmitters, Software, Hardware, Prep, even Furniture! If you were referring to file format - this may be another time for a poll.. Good luck. Richard Rhythm 107.5 Otahuhu
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#1999 From: "Richard Phelps" <richard.phelps@...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 10:04 pm
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Setting up lpfm customcuts_nz
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I have put a bunch of URL's from my Favourites list, into the Links
section here. They contain links to RFS29 Compliant Transmitters,
Software, Hardware, Prep, even Furniture!

If you were referring to file format - this may be another time for a
poll..

Good luck.

Richard
Rhythm 107.5 Otahuhu

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#1998 From: "Ross Levis" <ross@...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 7:28 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Setting up lpfm rosslevis
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When you say software compression, do you mean audio file format?

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Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:00 PM

Subject: [LPFM] Setting up lpfm

Can people email me and tell me whats they think the best equipment to use. ( transmitters to software ompression to sound cards) CAVEFORD@... thanks Jeff

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#1997 From: "Jeff" <CaveFord@...>
Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 7:00 am
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Can people email me and tell me whats they think the best equipment
to use. ( transmitters to  software ompression to sound cards)
CAVEFORD@...
thanks
Jeff

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#1996 From: "Dave Smith" <radiopegasus@...>
Date: Sat Nov 1, 2003 12:49 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Fw: Syndicated show for your station...free! radiopegasus@...
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Ross..Please send me your personal email address..a couple of private matters to discuss. URGENT

Dave

>From: "Ross Levis"

>Reply-To: LPFM_Radio@...

>To:

>Subject: [LPFM] Fw: Syndicated show for your station...free!

>Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:53:12 +1300

>I just got this spam sent to me, but it may be of interest to those doing a

>Country format.

>----- Original Message -----

>From: "Mark Bee"

> > Program Director WDOA,

> >

> > Please allow us to introduce ourselves. We are

> > Green Mountain Music Productions and we have a SHOW

> > for stations just like yours. We currently air on US

> > and Canadian stations, as well as several in New

> > Zealand. Our programme features new artists, not

> > standards. We developed this programme for stations

> > just like yours. The programme is called Independent

> > Country Universe (The ICU).

> >

> > Currently we work with hundreds of artists and

> > small record labels, many who get their first airplay

> > on our stations, and the number grows every week.

> > Some of the artist are big names on small labels, and

> > some are new. They vary in experience and talent), and

> > have produced their own CD's or worked with top

> > studios and producers.

> >

> > Some will certainly become tomorrow's stars. With

> > the amazing attention on unknown artists, (ie; Idol,

> > Star type shows), this is the perfect time to add the

> > ICU to your station. Here's the best part...There is

> > NO COST and you get a worldwide syndicated programme

> > to air! We already have a relationship with the

> > artists and labels, and gets many releases first. We

> > also activated our website in June of 2003 promoting

> > the show. The site, http://www.greenmountainmusic.com

> > caters to fans of independent country music with show

> > info, links and a VOTE area where fans vote for the

> > top

> > five, monthly. The site has received over 19,700

> > visitors so far!

> >

> > EVERY radio station who joins us will get a free

> > link from our website to theirs, on air mentions on a

> > rotating basis "Heard on GREAT radio stations

> > like..." and six minutes to sell advertising (or do

> > community announcements, news, etc.) per show. Each

> > month, your station will receive the weekly 1 hour

> > programmes (54 minutes) which includes great new

> > country music from independent artists.

> >

> > The programme is free!

> >

> > There is no cost to your station, all associated

> > fees for recording, shipping, and handling are paid by

> > us. ALL programmes arrive on CD in advance, one month

> > at a time. Royalties are paid by us, it cost your

> > station nothing, and gives you additional exposure on

> > our programme and website.

> >

> > Independent Country Universe airs on commercial,

> > community, and internet stations around the world.

> > We would love to add you as an affiliate, and help

> > promote independent musicians from New Zealand and

> > around the world, and let them get their music heard.

> >

> > We would be happy to provide a few programmes for

> > your

> > review. After we hear from you, we will add your link

> > to our site and ship your first programmes within five

> > days! We can add you in time for the December

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> >

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> >

> > Marc Baum

> > General Manager

> > Green Mountain Music Productions

> >

> > =====

> > Independent Country Universe

> > A syndicated radio production of

> > Green Mountain Music Productions

> > Listen on a radio near you!

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