Hi Guys

 

Have a great and positive 2004

 

cheers

 

Graham @ Soundwave FM, Napier

That is a good accident Chris. I spent the majority of my day today
writing a response to this.

I have posted my thoughts on the [nzradio] group if youre interested.

Cheers.

R.

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Chris Diack - Concerta
Consultants" <diack@x> wrote:
>  I found this by accident and thought I'd share it with you...
>
> http://www.mch.govt.nz/pr/digital-broadcasting.html
>
> Merry Christmas and have a prosperous New year ...  ChrisDiack

I found this by accident and thought I'd share it with you...

http://www.mch.govt.nz/pr/digital-broadcasting.html

Merry Christmas and have a prosperous New year ...  ChrisDiack

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., Geoff Barkman <barknet@c...>
wrote:
> I'm thinking I might put a switch on my band expander (12mHz) if
someone
> decides to broadcast on 100.7 mHz cos they will wipe me out.

Not much thinking done obviously mate, as noone is permitted to
broadcast on 100.7 anywhere (yet..), and is very unlikely for your
area anyway.

Any guardband frequency on 88.1-88.7 is safe with band expanders -
only the 10mhz step mirroring 98.1-98.7 is your only worry.

10mhz: 88.7 = 98.7 = 108.7
12mhz: 88.7 = 100.7 = 112.7
14mhz: 88.7 = 102.7 = 116.7

R.

Putting the switch on your band expander only helps _you_

Which is perfectly OK if you don't have any other listeners...

Jochen

>>> barknet@... 19/12/03 >>>
Hi Gavin
Countryradio Dunedin is on 88.7 mHz you'll get it over lookout point,
corstorphine, south dunedin, mornington, centre of Town (just).
I'm thinking I might put a switch on my band expander (12mHz) if
someone
decides to broadcast on 100.7 mHz cos they will wipe me out.

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:12, Gavin Stephens wrote:
> I'm just so impressed with the stock Toyota car radio's, shame they
have to
> be expanded though to work. They pick up reception for miles on low
powered
> stuff. Was in Dunedin last night trying to find country radio but all
I
> coudl hear was George on 883, and something else on 88.2 and 88.4
which was
> more funk/techno/tenny bopper stuff (like there's not enough
> rock/edge/radio one/inferno/zm already there). I was listening to
some of
> them in Brighton in the right place below hills, then dead 10 minute
drive
> all the way back to the TX. Same place never picked them up in the
other
> radios. True.... i did get to listen to TV1 in certain areas hahaha.

Cheers Geoff Barkman 	 ZL4TUX
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man --
who has no gills.
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Hi Gavin
Countryradio Dunedin is on 88.7 mHz you'll get it over lookout point,
corstorphine, south dunedin, mornington, centre of Town (just).
I'm thinking I might put a switch on my band expander (12mHz) if someone
decides to broadcast on 100.7 mHz cos they will wipe me out.

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:12, Gavin Stephens wrote:
> I'm just so impressed with the stock Toyota car radio's, shame they have to
> be expanded though to work. They pick up reception for miles on low powered
> stuff. Was in Dunedin last night trying to find country radio but all I
> coudl hear was George on 883, and something else on 88.2 and 88.4 which was
> more funk/techno/tenny bopper stuff (like there's not enough
> rock/edge/radio one/inferno/zm already there). I was listening to some of
> them in Brighton in the right place below hills, then dead 10 minute drive
> all the way back to the TX. Same place never picked them up in the other
> radios. True.... i did get to listen to TV1 in certain areas hahaha.

Cheers Geoff Barkman 	 ZL4TUX
--
And now for the silly quote......
Ocean:  A body of water occupying about two-thirds of a world made for man --
who has no gills.
-- Ambrose Bierce

Some of the Jap cars have radios with diversity antenna systems, using
the standard whip antenna for the main antenna, and a second antenna on
the rear windscreen.

Diversity systems can offer up to 6dB improvement in reception, which
in a dodgy area is a lot.

NZ models often don't have diversity systems, as they cost more

Except for BMWs, which often have diversity FM antennas coupled with
high-performance FM radios.

Jochen

>>> kiwi_rock@... 19/12/03 >>>
I'm just so impressed with the stock Toyota car radio's, shame they
have to be expanded though to work. They pick up reception for miles on
low powered stuff. Was in Dunedin last night trying to find country
radio but all I coudl hear was George on 883, and something else on 88.2
and 88.4 which was more funk/techno/tenny bopper stuff (like there's not
enough rock/edge/radio one/inferno/zm already there). I was listening to
some of them in Brighton in the right place below hills, then dead 10
minute drive all the way back to the TX. Same place never picked them up
in the other radios. True.... i did get to listen to TV1 in certain
areas hahaha.

Gavin.


----- Original Message -----
From: Jochen Siegenthaler
To: LPFM_Radio@...
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [LPFM] band expanders..


Richard,

You are dead right with your calcs.

Convince your mother to buy a new radio - I've seen brand new
radio-cassettes advertised for only $188 in the Herald today.

That's only $138 more than a band expander, and she won't have any
reception hassles.


>> What about band expanders on a frequency like the ones above, that
>> receive 2 simultaneous stations which may transmit RDS, and the
>> receiver also displays?? haha. messy.

The RDS point is irrelevant, as RDS is not used in Japan, hence no car
radios designed for the Japanese market have RDS.

>> It raises another interesting point about Mai FM on 88.6 - once
100.6
>> goes to air, Jap radios will get both stations if they have 12mhz
>> expanders.

You are absolutely correct.
The best solution is to change the radio.

Jochen

>>> richard.phelps@... 18/12/03 >>>
Hey Jochen

I had a phone call from my mother a little while back, wanting to
install a band expander. She loves Solid Gold.

These are 10, 12 + 14mhz step expanders right?
So if 93.4 is the asked frequency, then with 10mhz, she'd tune into
83.4? This would also mirror 103.4? - no interference. good.
12mhz: (81.4fm = 93.4) = 105.4 (TRN's New Frq) dang.
14mhz: (79.4fm = 93.4) = 107.4 (almost UpFM) dang.

I agree wholeheartedly, its better to buy a NZ standard receiver.
What about band expanders on a frequency like the ones above, that
receive 2 simultaneous stations which may transmit RDS, and the
receiver also displays?? haha. messy.

It raises another interesting point about Mai FM on 88.6 - once 100.6
goes to air, Jap radios will get both stations if they have 12mhz
expanders.

Messy again.

R.

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Jochen Siegenthaler"
<Jochen.Siegenthaler@b...> wrote:
>
> In my opinion, if you want to listen to radio, buy a radio designed
to
> work in our country.
>
> My 10c worth



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Re Band Expanders,
I struck one just recently that converts down by 10 Mhz and 20 Mhz
as well , so the JAP car radio can hear the top of the Band stations
but the interence between stations was incredible .
I also detected a small amound of the converted signal being radiated
back out the car antenna !

cheers
Steve

If the transmitter is well designed
many I have seen are not !!
One Icame across had signals every 19khz up the Band

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None whatsoever.

Adding RDS is fully in compliance with the bandwidth specs as stated in
the GURL-LPFMBC-2

There will be no out-of-channel emissions

Jochen

>>> stevej@... 18/12/03 >>>
Re RDS on LPFM
That should get the RSM division of the MED interested in firing up
the
test Equipment !! Be interesting to see what out of channel emissions
are present !!

cheers
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The frequency shift is such a bodge that the expanders also let the
original signal through, so they generate interference.

they have no front-end tuning on them, as the expander does not know
what station you are tuned to.

So their front end is as wide as a barn door and they let through the
unshifted frequency as well.

So if unshifted = Sttation A, and shifted = Station B shifted down to
station A's freq, then bad luck, you have interference.

To sum up, band expanders are crap.

Jochen

>>> alnairgrus@... 18/12/03 >>>
Just get an (((AM Stereo))) capable radio :-) they get
proper FM too.

I thought these band expanders get nothing past the
"spread" that they cover ie you get to 90FM (Japanese
readout) gets 100FM? so its done in the IF of the
expander so what you read on the radio is irrelevant?
Correct me please if I am wrong on this.

Michael
--- richard.phelps@... wrote:
> Hey Jochen
>
> I had a phone call from my mother a little while
> back, wanting to
> install a band expander. She loves Solid Gold.
>
> These are 10, 12 + 14mhz step expanders right?
> So if 93.4 is the asked frequency, then with 10mhz,
> she'd tune into
> 83.4? This would also mirror 103.4? - no
> interference. good.
> 12mhz: (81.4fm = 93.4) = 105.4 (TRN's New Frq) dang.
> 14mhz: (79.4fm = 93.4) = 107.4 (almost UpFM) dang.
>
> I agree wholeheartedly, its better to buy a NZ
> standard receiver.
> What about band expanders on a frequency like the
> ones above, that
> receive 2 simultaneous stations which may transmit
> RDS, and the
> receiver also displays?? haha. messy.
>
> It raises another interesting point about Mai FM on
> 88.6 - once 100.6
> goes to air, Jap radios will get both stations if
> they have 12mhz
> expanders.
>
> Messy again.
>
>

=====
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Richard,

You are dead right with your calcs.

Convince your mother to buy a new radio - I've seen brand new
radio-cassettes advertised for only $188 in the Herald today.

That's only $138 more than a band expander, and she won't have any
reception hassles.


>> What about band expanders on a frequency like the ones above, that
>> receive 2 simultaneous stations which may transmit RDS, and the
>> receiver also displays?? haha. messy.

The RDS point is irrelevant, as RDS is not used in Japan, hence no car
radios designed for the Japanese market have RDS.

>> It raises another interesting point about Mai FM on 88.6 - once
100.6
>> goes to air, Jap radios will get both stations if they have 12mhz
>> expanders.

You are absolutely correct.
The best solution is to change the radio.

Jochen

>>> richard.phelps@... 18/12/03 >>>
Hey Jochen

I had a phone call from my mother a little while back, wanting to
install a band expander. She loves Solid Gold.

These are 10, 12 + 14mhz step expanders right?
So if 93.4 is the asked frequency, then with 10mhz, she'd tune into
83.4? This would also mirror 103.4? - no interference. good.
12mhz: (81.4fm = 93.4) = 105.4 (TRN's New Frq) dang.
14mhz: (79.4fm = 93.4) = 107.4 (almost UpFM) dang.

I agree wholeheartedly, its better to buy a NZ standard receiver.
What about band expanders on a frequency like the ones above, that
receive 2 simultaneous stations which may transmit RDS, and the
receiver also displays?? haha. messy.

It raises another interesting point about Mai FM on 88.6 - once 100.6
goes to air, Jap radios will get both stations if they have 12mhz
expanders.

Messy again.

R.

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Jochen Siegenthaler"
<Jochen.Siegenthaler@b...> wrote:
>
> In my opinion, if you want to listen to radio, buy a radio designed
to
> work in our country.
>
> My 10c worth



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Re RDS on LPFM
That should get the RSM division of the MED interested in firing up
the
test Equipment !! Be interesting to see what out of channel emissions
are present !!

cheers
Steve

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael and Ross

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 2:56 PM

Subject: [LPFM] Unforgettable Music

Whats happened to Unforgettable Music on 106.7?
I used to get them through the static but now theres a
religious format on that frequency unless its blocking
their signal.
Does Unforgettable music have a Website?

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Whats happened to Unforgettable Music on 106.7?
I used to get them through the static but now theres a
religious format on that frequency unless its blocking
their signal.
Does Unforgettable music have a Website?

Michael


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Just get an (((AM Stereo))) capable radio :-) they get
proper FM too.

I thought these band expanders get nothing past the
"spread" that they cover ie you get to 90FM (Japanese
readout) gets 100FM? so its done in the IF of the
expander so what you read on the radio is irrelevant?
Correct me please if I am wrong on this.

Michael
--- richard.phelps@... wrote:
> Hey Jochen
>
> I had a phone call from my mother a little while
> back, wanting to
> install a band expander. She loves Solid Gold.
>
> These are 10, 12 + 14mhz step expanders right?
> So if 93.4 is the asked frequency, then with 10mhz,
> she'd tune into
> 83.4? This would also mirror 103.4? - no
> interference. good.
> 12mhz: (81.4fm = 93.4) = 105.4 (TRN's New Frq) dang.
> 14mhz: (79.4fm = 93.4) = 107.4 (almost UpFM) dang.
>
> I agree wholeheartedly, its better to buy a NZ
> standard receiver.
> What about band expanders on a frequency like the
> ones above, that
> receive 2 simultaneous stations which may transmit
> RDS, and the
> receiver also displays?? haha. messy.
>
> It raises another interesting point about Mai FM on
> 88.6 - once 100.6
> goes to air, Jap radios will get both stations if
> they have 12mhz
> expanders.
>
> Messy again.
>
>

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Hey Jochen

I had a phone call from my mother a little while back, wanting to
install a band expander. She loves Solid Gold.

These are 10, 12 + 14mhz step expanders right?
So if 93.4 is the asked frequency, then with 10mhz, she'd tune into
83.4? This would also mirror 103.4? - no interference. good.
12mhz: (81.4fm = 93.4) = 105.4 (TRN's New Frq) dang.
14mhz: (79.4fm = 93.4) = 107.4 (almost UpFM) dang.

I agree wholeheartedly, its better to buy a NZ standard receiver.
What about band expanders on a frequency like the ones above, that
receive 2 simultaneous stations which may transmit RDS, and the
receiver also displays?? haha. messy.

It raises another interesting point about Mai FM on 88.6 - once 100.6
goes to air, Jap radios will get both stations if they have 12mhz
expanders.

Messy again.

R.

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Jochen Siegenthaler"
<Jochen.Siegenthaler@b...> wrote:
>
> In my opinion, if you want to listen to radio, buy a radio designed
to
> work in our country.
>
> My 10c worth

That whole ZM issue was ridiculous - a storm in a thimble.
All due to 1 (one) listener who did not know how to use his radio.

Switching the service off was easy - every radio has a dedicated button
on the front panel to switch it off.

A classic case of journos making a story out of a decade-old
technology, in use in NZ for over 3 years, which the journalists did not
understand.

As for band expanders - they'll get progressively worse and create more
problems as time goes on, and the MED open up the top end of the FM
band. Have a look at what the MED have written on band expanders...
http://www.med.govt.nz/rsm/publications/pibs/band-expander.html
http://www.med.govt.nz/rsm/publications/pibs/band-expander-info.html
National Radio have gone on to FM in the last 2 weeks nationwide (with
RDS, by the way) and some people with band expanders may have problems
receiving them

In my opinion, if you want to listen to radio, buy a radio designed to
work in our country.

My 10c worth

Jochen


>>> kiwi_rock@... 17/12/03 >>>
I wonder if they keep pressing the traffic update signal like ZM do I
hear haha. 'radio spam' I see they published an article on. If I didn't
know how to switch that kind of thing off if it happened to me, I'd
gladly replace my car stereo. I wonder how many poor souls do replace it
without realising it's not their radio at fault.

I finally got another radio for my vehicle (actually replace the
vehicle), but it's expanded. I'm quite happy not to pick up over 100MHz
down here in the mean time. But I'm still impressed with stock Toyota
car stereos from Japan, they pick up anything passed the fringe
reception area even with an expander on it.

Gavin.


----- Original Message -----
From: Jochen.Siegenthaler@...
To: LPFM_Radio@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:36 PM
Subject: [LPFM] Up FM in Auckland using RDS


I've noticed that Up FM on 107.3 MHz in Ponsonby now has RDS on their
signal - first of the LPFM stations in Auckland to do so, I believe.

Jochen



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I've noticed that Up FM on 107.3 MHz in Ponsonby now has RDS on their
signal - first of the LPFM stations in Auckland to do so, I believe.

Jochen

----- Original Message -----

From: Richard Phelps

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 12:56 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Auction results

Yeah, whats the deal with this license??

I discovered it was only licensed in the middle of this year, and it
expires at the end of December?? What kind of screwed up joke was
this?

I was in Tauranga a couple months back, and listened in to Blowhole.
Who set up the transmitter, cause they were (a) WAY overmodulating,
and (b) ghosting all over the dial! 97.4 on 80 Watts was messy!

I met the owner many years ago when he visited us at George FM back
in 1998. He was scoping the idea with us. Nice guy, but whats the
fate of Blowhole now???!?



--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Ross Levis" <ross@s...> wrote:
> The freq doesn't belong to the Polytech.  I think a few students
may have something to do with the station, however.  It started off
years ago at the Mount on the guardband and then they managed to get
a high power freq and moved to Tauranga.  They use a guardband freq
for linking from the studio to the Polytech across town which is much
higher.
>
> Ross.



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Yeah, whats the deal with this license??

I discovered it was only licensed in the middle of this year, and it
expires at the end of December?? What kind of screwed up joke was
this?

I was in Tauranga a couple months back, and listened in to Blowhole.
Who set up the transmitter, cause they were (a) WAY overmodulating,
and (b) ghosting all over the dial! 97.4 on 80 Watts was messy!

I met the owner many years ago when he visited us at George FM back
in 1998. He was scoping the idea with us. Nice guy, but whats the
fate of Blowhole now???!?



--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Ross Levis" <ross@s...> wrote:
> The freq doesn't belong to the Polytech.  I think a few students
may have something to do with the station, however.  It started off
years ago at the Mount on the guardband and then they managed to get
a high power freq and moved to Tauranga.  They use a guardband freq
for linking from the studio to the Polytech across town which is much
higher.
>
> Ross.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gavin Stephens

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 1:39 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Auction results

For educational use RSM should have come up with an alternative allowing them to use 102MHz+ until the Government have a better use for it.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ross Levis

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 1:07 PM

Subject: [LPFM] Auction results

I see Aucklands 2 frequencies are over 6 million, TRN and Canwest have the highest bids.  No surprise there.  Must be well over APNA's maximum.

 

It looks like Blow Hole FM will be reverting back to the guardbands.  Their 80 watt frequency on the Polytech building is almost at $40,000 by an Indian company.

 

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I see both the Auckland FM frequencies have passed the $ 5 million
figure. The Auction seems to be only about half way through , at this
stage

Steve

The auction is still in progress.

No purchase has yet been made, as the successful bidder is yet to be
determined.

Jochen

>>> karmchari@... 24/11/03 >>>

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?
storyID=3535377&thesection=technology&thesubsection=general

Very Intresting article in the Herald
The Sahil Family Trust, is backed by Indian entrepreneur Sahil Shah who
used
to run Apna FM
101.7, an amateur radio station transmitting Indian content in the
Auckland
area.

Apna used a low-power FM general user licence and a network of
transmitters
to cover Greater
Auckland. But licensing changes restricting broadcasters to one
transmitter
within a 25km radius,
forced it off the air in September.

BUT THEY ARE STILL ON AIR.
MR PETER GRIFFIN PLEASE CHECK YOUR FACTS

Shah said he was putting up the money to buy a licence himself, but was
facing
strong competition
from rival bidders who have collectively kept the auction price rising.

He would use the spectrum to revive Apna and did not expect it to run
on a full
commercial model
but as a community service.

WHAT KIND OF COMMUNITY SERVICE ?
MR SHAH SAYS TO INDIAN COMMUNITY IT'S A MUSLIM SATION ONLY,
AND WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER LPFM COMMUNITY BROADCASTERS WHOM APNA
HAS OVER RIDDEN on 107.1 & 88.3 ect ??

"The money won't be recouped in the short term because it's a very
small community,"
he said.
SATURDAY MONRNING APNA FM ANNOUCED.

THEY HAVE  PURCHASED AN FM FREQUENCY FOR $6 MILLION DOLLARS.

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK OF THIS FREE PUBLICITY ?




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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?
storyID=3535377&thesection=technology&thesubsection=general

Very Intresting article in the Herald
The Sahil Family Trust, is backed by Indian entrepreneur Sahil Shah who used
to run Apna FM
101.7, an amateur radio station transmitting Indian content in the Auckland
area.

Apna used a low-power FM general user licence and a network of transmitters
to cover Greater
Auckland. But licensing changes restricting broadcasters to one transmitter
within a 25km radius,
forced it off the air in September.

BUT THEY ARE STILL ON AIR.
MR PETER GRIFFIN PLEASE CHECK YOUR FACTS

Shah said he was putting up the money to buy a licence himself, but was facing
strong competition
from rival bidders who have collectively kept the auction price rising.
He would use the spectrum to revive Apna and did not expect it to run on a full
commercial model
but as a community service.

WHAT KIND OF COMMUNITY SERVICE ?
MR SHAH SAYS TO INDIAN COMMUNITY IT’S A MUSLIM SATION ONLY,
AND WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER LPFM COMMUNITY BROADCASTERS WHOM APNA
HAS OVER RIDDEN on 107.1 & 88.3 ect ??

"The money won't be recouped in the short term because it's a very small
community,"
he said.
SATURDAY MONRNING APNA FM ANNOUCED.

THEY HAVE  PURCHASED AN FM FREQUENCY FOR $6 MILLION DOLLARS.

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK OF THIS FREE PUBLICITY ?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Kershaw" <Dave.Kershaw@...>
To: "'Gavin Stephens'" <kiwi_rock@...>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 12:56 PM
Subject: RE: RADIO FREQUENCY AUCTION NO.6


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