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#2669 From: "Dave Smith" <radiopegasus@...>
Date: Thu Jul 1, 2004 12:55 pm
Subject:: RE: [LPFM] 2nd meeting of LPFM Operators in Auckland 		radiopegasus@...
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We tried the http address but to no avail..Dave

>From: "Peter Shaw" <akwccr@...>
>Reply-To: LPFM_Radio@...
>To: LPFM_Radio@...
>Subject: [LPFM] 2nd meeting of LPFM Operators in Auckland
>Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:59:02 -0000
>
>2nd meeting of LPFM Operators in Auckland to organise "The Society of
>Lower Power FM Broadcasters Incorporated"
>=====================================================================
>
>Notice to all those participants who were invited by Andrew Dubber to
>join the "announcements thing for the soon-to-be-incorporated Society
>of LPFM Operators" at http://groups-beta.google.com/group/LPFM/s....
>
>I have posted a summary of the meeting held yesterday evening in that
>announcement group. I am not sure that this forum is the place to
>post that information. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
>
>In order to read that summary, it will mean that a number of you will
>actually have to accept Andrew's invitation and join that group. You
>are encouraged to do so, because that is where all the announcements,
>upcoming meeting venues, time etc. will be posted.
>
>More to come,
>-P. (WCCR TLC)
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#2668 From: Andrew Dubber <dubber@...>
Date: Wed Jun 30, 2004 7:26 pm
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] 2nd meeting of LPFM Operators in Auckland 		adubber
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Hi,

Apologies to all that I wasn't there - sounds (and looks) like it
progressed swimmingly (and rapidly) without my involvement. Peter Shaw
took some pictures. Anyone have any objections if they make it to my
weblog?

Cheers,

Dubber

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#2667 From: "Peter Shaw" <akwccr@...>
Date: Wed Jun 30, 2004 6:59 pm
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2nd meeting of LPFM Operators in Auckland to organise "The Society of
Lower Power FM Broadcasters Incorporated"
=====================================================================

Notice to all those participants who were invited by Andrew Dubber to
join the "announcements thing for the soon-to-be-incorporated Society
of LPFM Operators" at http://groups-beta.google.com/group/LPFM/s....

I have posted a summary of the meeting held yesterday evening in that
announcement group. I am not sure that this forum is the place to
post that information. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

In order to read that summary, it will mean that a number of you will
actually have to accept Andrew's invitation and join that group. You
are encouraged to do so, because that is where all the announcements,
upcoming meeting venues, time etc. will be posted.

More to come,
-P. (WCCR TLC)

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#2666 From: Peter Shaw <akwccr@...>
Date: Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:49 pm
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] File posted to this group: "FM Station List-AK.PDF" 		akwccr
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Hello Graham,
 
Absolutely. I'm all for sharing this sort of info. It all helps. I think it will require a certain amount of persistence to keep the information up to date.
 
-P.
 

"SOUNDWAVE FM - Hawke's Bay's 88.70 & 107.30 in Napier" <soundwavefm@...> wrote:
Morning Peter
 
Thanks for your reply. Perhaps we can both work together on updates etc, for
the benefit of all users?
 
Cheers
 
Graham
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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [LPFM] File posted to this group: "FM Station List-AK.PDF"

Hi Graham,
 
Great to hear from you.
 
Yep, I have looked at your list in the past (I think Andrew Dubber linked to it in one of his weblogs). It certainly helped me gained a perspective on the national scene.
 
My spreadsheet was an attempt to present a summary of activity in the Auckland area, since there did not seem to be one elsewhere. I will raise the matter of its usefulness at the 2nd meeting of the LPFM society next Wednesday. Please feel free to take any info from it that you want. I am quite happy to pass on any new info to you - so far I have not received any!
 
BTW, check out http://www.countrymusic.net.nz/?Function=Home for the latest addition to the list - ours!
 
Warmest regards,
Peter Shaw.


"SOUNDWAVE FM - Hawke's Bay's 88.70 & 107.30 in Napier" <soundwavefm@...> wrote:
Hi Peter
 
I currently maintain a Micro-broadcasting list at:
 
which has some info, if you would like to forward any additions, and, or
amendments, then please do so.
 
Cheers, and thanks for being part of the world of LPFM here in NZ.
 
Regrads
 
Graham J Barclay
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Shaw
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 1:32 AM
Subject: [LPFM] File posted to this group: "FM Station List-AK.PDF"

Following on from the LPFM meeting last Tuesday, I have prepared a
summary of stations on air in the Auckland area, drawing on the
listing from Andrew Dubber's weblog,
http://thewireless.blogspot.com/ and from information I noted at the
meeting. It is not complete.

I am prepared to maintain the listing, and add extra details (contact
information etc.) if it would serve a useful purpose.

But I need missing information to be posted or emailed to me. For a
start, I need the location and frequencies of:

Radio Chomsky
Radio Southern Cross
Blockhouse Melodies
Radio Wairau
Virtual FM

I need the location of:
CBFM
Julia FM
Twisted
The Flea
Bay Classics

If this work is duplicated elsewhere and/or is not required, let me
know and I shall remove it.

-P.




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#2665 From: Peter Shaw <akwccr@...>
Date: Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:38 pm
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My observation this evening, at the second meeting of LPFM operators wishing to set up a society, is that the affected parties did discuss the matter in a gentlemanly way, with a willingness to help being apparent. I also noted that a number of others on the sideline (not affected but with an interest in the matter) wish to see it resolved. So this is at least a good start, and an indicator of how the proposed "Society of Lower Power FM Broadcasters Incorporated" *could* operate.
 
-P.
 
Richard Phelps <richard.phelps@...> wrote:
There is room for you to move should you wish, especially down in the
88.1-88.3 zone, and will return your coverage.
Robert, it may be worthwile opening this discussion at the conclusion
of tomorrows meeting.

cheers

Richard.

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Robert S Dew" <bob@d...> wrote:
> I'm not convinced that I should be forced, encouraged, or otherwise
made to
> change frequencies.
>
> As far as I have been able to ascertain, any change of frequency is
not going
> to give me back what I've lost.
>
> I asked UP FM to look at putting a deflector on the aerial to create
a dead
> zone that would cover the Otahuhu/ Mt Wellington area.
>
> I've had two answer from them on this idea.
>
> 1) They don't want to put anything unsightly on the house that they are
> transmittong from.
>
> 2) It would reduce their audience.
>
> Well, hell, why shouldn't reduce their audience, after all they have
reduced
> mine, and all I'm asking is for some of that back again.
>
> What do others think.
>
> Robert
> TLC Radio
>
> On 24 Jun 2004 at 9:32, Jochen Siegenthaler wrote:
>
> > Hi  David and others,
> >
> > Yes, the 3dB window of uncertainty is what's known as the "capture
> > effect"
> >
> > If you're happy with a uncontrolled mush zone, and if you have the
> > ability to link to the remote transmitter sites, then you can indeed
> > have 2 transmitters on 1 frequency.
> >
> > The professionals get very clever and use sophisticated
synchronisation
> > equipment to tightly control the mush zone for maximum benefit.
But that
> > comes at an expense of tens of thousands of dollars plus significant
> > engineering costs
> >
> > As to Up FMs choice of frequencies, I'll leave that for them to
> > comment.
> >
> > I would guess (without any proof or knowledge of what happened) that
> > the frequencies were chose to happily coexist as much as possible with
> > other stations in the LPFM space.
> >
> > Cheers, Jochen



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#2664 From: Peter Shaw <akwccr@...>
Date: Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:43 pm
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] next meeting 		akwccr
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Richard,
 
I know that this is after the event, but the proposed society's rules will impose a limit of one vote per station (the word "station" is mine, ane the terms will be more clearly defined by the new wording being written by Chris Hocquard). That did not preclude, to my knowledge, that more than one party per station could actually attend the meeting, although it was implied. That's my take on the situation.
 
-P.

Richard Phelps <richard.phelps@...> wrote:
Is it still one representatvie per station?, coz I noticed a group
from one at last weeks meeting.

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#2663 From: "Richard Phelps" <richard.phelps@...>
Date: Wed Jun 30, 2004 12:47 pm
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Sorry I was unable to make last nights meeting. My brother and his
wife had their first baby, and the clock (+ traffic) was against me.

Hope all went ok.

Cheers

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#2662 From: "Richard Phelps" <richard.phelps@...>
Date: Tue Jun 29, 2004 9:20 am
Subject:: [LPFM] Re: South Auckland frequencies 		customcuts_nz
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There is room for you to move should you wish, especially down in the
88.1-88.3 zone, and will return your coverage.
Robert, it may be worthwile opening this discussion at the conclusion
of tomorrows meeting.

cheers

Richard.

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Robert S Dew" <bob@d...> wrote:
> I'm not convinced that I should be forced, encouraged, or otherwise
made to
> change frequencies.
>
> As far as I have been able to ascertain, any change of frequency is
not going
> to give me back what I've lost.
>
> I asked UP FM to look at putting a deflector on the aerial to create
a dead
> zone that would cover the Otahuhu/ Mt Wellington area.
>
> I've had two answer from them on this idea.
>
> 1) They don't want to put anything unsightly on the house that they are
> transmittong from.
>
> 2) It would reduce their audience.
>
> Well, hell, why shouldn't reduce their audience, after all they have
reduced
> mine, and all I'm asking is for some of that back again.
>
> What do others think.
>
> Robert
> TLC Radio
>
> On 24 Jun 2004 at 9:32, Jochen Siegenthaler wrote:
>
> > Hi  David and others,
> >
> > Yes, the 3dB window of uncertainty is what's known as the "capture
> > effect"
> >
> > If you're happy with a uncontrolled mush zone, and if you have the
> > ability to link to the remote transmitter sites, then you can indeed
> > have 2 transmitters on 1 frequency.
> >
> > The professionals get very clever and use sophisticated
synchronisation
> > equipment to tightly control the mush zone for maximum benefit.
But that
> > comes at an expense of tens of thousands of dollars plus significant
> > engineering costs
> >
> > As to Up FMs choice of frequencies, I'll leave that for them to
> > comment.
> >
> > I would guess (without any proof or knowledge of what happened) that
> > the frequencies were chose to happily coexist as much as possible with
> > other stations in the LPFM space.
> >
> > Cheers, Jochen

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#2661 From: "Robert S Dew" <bob@...>
Date: Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:50 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Re: South Auckland frequencies 		bob@...
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I'm not convinced that I should be forced, encouraged, or otherwise made to
change frequencies.

As far as I have been able to ascertain, any change of frequency is not going
to give me back what I've lost.

I asked UP FM to look at putting a deflector on the aerial to create a dead
zone that would cover the Otahuhu/ Mt Wellington area.

I've had two answer from them on this idea.

1) They don't want to put anything unsightly on the house that they are
transmittong from.

2) It would reduce their audience.

Well, hell, why shouldn't reduce their audience, after all they have reduced
mine, and all I'm asking is for some of that back again.

What do others think.

Robert
TLC Radio

On 24 Jun 2004 at 9:32, Jochen Siegenthaler wrote:

> Hi  David and others,
>
> Yes, the 3dB window of uncertainty is what's known as the "capture
> effect"
>
> If you're happy with a uncontrolled mush zone, and if you have the
> ability to link to the remote transmitter sites, then you can indeed
> have 2 transmitters on 1 frequency.
>
> The professionals get very clever and use sophisticated synchronisation
> equipment to tightly control the mush zone for maximum benefit. But that
> comes at an expense of tens of thousands of dollars plus significant
> engineering costs
>
> As to Up FMs choice of frequencies, I'll leave that for them to
> comment.
>
> I would guess (without any proof or knowledge of what happened) that
> the frequencies were chose to happily coexist as much as possible with
> other stations in the LPFM space.
>
> Cheers, Jochen

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#2660 From: "Richard Phelps" <richard.phelps@...>
Date: Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:38 am
Subject:: next meeting 		customcuts_nz
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Is it still one representatvie per station?, coz I noticed a group
from one at last weeks meeting.

Thanks, whoever.

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#2659 From: "Jochen Siegenthaler" <Jochen.Siegenthaler@...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 2004 10:44 pm
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] frequencies in Auckland area 		jochensiegen...
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I checked again to make sure

There ARE licences, they are MOBILE - which means no fixed location -
which means they can be anywhere in Auckland.

I searched for Auckland before - so found no licences under that search
criteria.

But the interesting thing is that a lot of the mobile licences found
are labeled "LM NOT IN USE"
LM = Land Mobile.

Jochen



>>> ross@... 28/06/04 >>>
I wonder what happened to them.  They were there when I started LPFM
broadcasting.  I started on 88.0 for a few days not realising the
88.0-88.5 meant 88.1-88.4.  I was quickly told I was interfering with
the top few channels of the RT band.  And I also remember hearing a few
RT's occasionally coming through when listening to my station on 88.1.

Cheers,
Ross.
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   I just did a search.

   there are currently no licences registered between 87.5 and 88.0 on
the
   MED database

   Jochen

   >>> ross@... 26/06/04 >>>
   > RT's should no longer be there

   Are you sure this area has been vacated?  I'm not sure there was any
   need for them to be vacated.

   Ross.
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     Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:03 AM
     Subject: Re: [LPFM] frequencies in Auckland area


     Probably the 87.8 to 88.0 range should be used,as 106.2 maybe
going
   to be one of the skytower ones being .8 away from "Coast 105.4" as
thats
   the current spacings.
     Its used in Australia right to 87.6 even and RT's should no longer
be
   there.
     Michael

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#2658 From: "Ross Levis" <ross@...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 2004 10:40 pm
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I wonder when the RFS29 first published?
 
Ross.
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In Australia they use 107.9 so does it affect their aeronautical?
 
Mai FM came on air in 1992 so there was no lpfm then.
 
Michael

Jochen Siegenthaler <Jochen.Siegenthaler@...> wrote:
the MED's document on Spectrum Licences in the 100.2-106.63 MHz Band -
Summary of Government Policy indicates that the maximum licencable
frequency in the upper FM band is 106.63 MHz

See here:
http://www.med.govt.nz/rsm/licensing/upperfm.html

This will be due to maintaining sufficient guard band from the
aeronautical band in the neighbouring spectrum space.
 88.4 was
already a guardband frequency so Mai FM would have understood and
accepted small pockets of selectivity problems.



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#2657 From: "Jochen Siegenthaler" <Jochen.Siegenthaler@...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 2004 10:39 pm
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different country, different government, different policy, and fewer
high-power FM stations

Even though the aeronautical stuff is the same....... here in Auckland
we probably have a heck of a lot more high power FM stations than sydney
does.

And its all about de-sensitising of the receiver - which is impacted on
by total RF in the adjacent bands - so the Sky Tower FM services still
have an impact on aeronautical.

Jochen

>>> alnairgrus@... 28/06/04 >>>
In Australia they use 107.9 so does it affect their aeronautical?

Mai FM came on air in 1992 so there was no lpfm then.

Michael

Jochen Siegenthaler <Jochen.Siegenthaler@...> wrote:
the MED's document on Spectrum Licences in the 100.2-106.63 MHz Band -
Summary of Government Policy indicates that the maximum licencable
frequency in the upper FM band is 106.63 MHz

See here:
http://www.med.govt.nz/rsm/licensing/upperfm.html

This will be due to maintaining sufficient guard band from the
aeronautical band in the neighbouring spectrum space.
  88.4 was
already a guardband frequency so Mai FM would have understood and
accepted small pockets of selectivity problems.



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#2656 From: "Ross Levis" <ross@...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 2004 10:32 pm
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I wonder what happened to them.  They were there when I started LPFM broadcasting.  I started on 88.0 for a few days not realising the 88.0-88.5 meant 88.1-88.4.  I was quickly told I was interfering with the top few channels of the RT band.  And I also remember hearing a few RT's occasionally coming through when listening to my station on 88.1.
 
Cheers,
Ross.
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I just did a search.

there are currently no licences registered between 87.5 and 88.0 on the
MED database

Jochen

>>> ross@... 26/06/04 >>>
> RT's should no longer be there

Are you sure this area has been vacated?  I'm not sure there was any
need for them to be vacated.

Ross.
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  Probably the 87.8 to 88.0 range should be used,as 106.2 maybe going
to be one of the skytower ones being .8 away from "Coast 105.4" as thats
the current spacings.
  Its used in Australia right to 87.6 even and RT's should no longer be
there.
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#2655 From: Michael and Ross <alnairgrus@...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 2004 10:25 pm
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In Australia they use 107.9 so does it affect their aeronautical?
 
Mai FM came on air in 1992 so there was no lpfm then.
 
Michael

Jochen Siegenthaler <Jochen.Siegenthaler@...> wrote:
the MED's document on Spectrum Licences in the 100.2-106.63 MHz Band -
Summary of Government Policy indicates that the maximum licencable
frequency in the upper FM band is 106.63 MHz

See here:
http://www.med.govt.nz/rsm/licensing/upperfm.html

This will be due to maintaining sufficient guard band from the
aeronautical band in the neighbouring spectrum space.
 88.4 was
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#2654 From: "Jochen Siegenthaler" <Jochen.Siegenthaler@...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 2004 10:14 pm
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I just did a search.

there are currently no licences registered between 87.5 and 88.0 on the
MED database

Jochen

>>> ross@... 26/06/04 >>>
> RT's should no longer be there

Are you sure this area has been vacated?  I'm not sure there was any
need for them to be vacated.

Ross.
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   Subject: Re: [LPFM] frequencies in Auckland area


   Probably the 87.8 to 88.0 range should be used,as 106.2 maybe going
to be one of the skytower ones being .8 away from "Coast 105.4" as thats
the current spacings.
   Its used in Australia right to 87.6 even and RT's should no longer be
there.
   Michael

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#2653 From: "Jochen Siegenthaler" <Jochen.Siegenthaler@...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 2004 10:11 pm
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the MED's document on Spectrum Licences in the 100.2-106.63 MHz Band -
Summary of Government Policy indicates that the maximum licencable
frequency in the upper FM band is 106.63 MHz

See here:
http://www.med.govt.nz/rsm/licensing/upperfm.html

This will be due to maintaining sufficient guard band from the
aeronautical band in the neighbouring spectrum space.

Although 107.0 and 107.8 are on raster for the Sky Tower, I believe
that you are right in assuming that 106.2 is the highest frequency that
would be licenced at the Sky Tower - albeit at a reduced power level due
to close proximity to the aeronautical band.

Cheers, Jochen

>>> ross@... 26/06/04 >>>
I believe 106.2 is the highest full power frequency that will be
allocated to Auckland.  106.4 would likely be unusable close to Sky
Tower, but 106.5 onwards is probably fine.  But it will not happen.
Full power stations do not want signals within 400khz due to selectivity
problems on cheap clock radios etc.  88.6 was created as an exception to
the rule as RSM were under pressure to provide a frequency.  88.4 was
already a guardband frequency so Mai FM would have understood and
accepted small pockets of selectivity problems.

Ross.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: A740628@...
   To: LPFM_Radio@...
   Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 1:18 AM
   Subject: [LPFM] frequencies in Auckland area



   A while back someone made a post on this group commenting on the
unavailability of 88.5 88.6 and 88.7 within the Auckland area (i.e.
within 120km of Skytower).

   But a bunch of micro-broadcasters telling one of Auckland's most
listened to radio stations to "go elsewhere" is clearly a non-starter.
Nevertherless it remains ironic that the nations largest urban area,
where demand for LPFM frequencies is the highest, has fewer frequencies
available than elsewhere.

   So I thought maybe another aproach would be for the new Auckland LPFM
user group to quietly and discreetly lobby the MED to make 106.4, 106.5
and 106.6 available for LPFM within 120km of Skytower.  This would do
not more than level the playing field and put Auckland on even terms.  A
less unreasonable suggestion than telling Mai to shift their backsides?





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#2652 From: "SOUNDWAVE FM - Hawke's Bay's 88.70 & 107.30 in Napier" <soundwavefm@...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 2004 5:24 pm
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] File posted to this group: "FM Station List-AK.PDF" 		kiwi-radio
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Morning Peter
 
Thanks for your reply. Perhaps we can both work together on updates etc, for
the benefit of all users?
 
Cheers
 
Graham
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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [LPFM] File posted to this group: "FM Station List-AK.PDF"

Hi Graham,
 
Great to hear from you.
 
Yep, I have looked at your list in the past (I think Andrew Dubber linked to it in one of his weblogs). It certainly helped me gained a perspective on the national scene.
 
My spreadsheet was an attempt to present a summary of activity in the Auckland area, since there did not seem to be one elsewhere. I will raise the matter of its usefulness at the 2nd meeting of the LPFM society next Wednesday. Please feel free to take any info from it that you want. I am quite happy to pass on any new info to you - so far I have not received any!
 
BTW, check out http://www.countrymusic.net.nz/?Function=Home for the latest addition to the list - ours!
 
Warmest regards,
Peter Shaw.


"SOUNDWAVE FM - Hawke's Bay's 88.70 & 107.30 in Napier" <soundwavefm@...> wrote:
Hi Peter
 
I currently maintain a Micro-broadcasting list at:
 
which has some info, if you would like to forward any additions, and, or
amendments, then please do so.
 
Cheers, and thanks for being part of the world of LPFM here in NZ.
 
Regrads
 
Graham J Barclay
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Shaw
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 1:32 AM
Subject: [LPFM] File posted to this group: "FM Station List-AK.PDF"

Following on from the LPFM meeting last Tuesday, I have prepared a
summary of stations on air in the Auckland area, drawing on the
listing from Andrew Dubber's weblog,
http://thewireless.blogspot.com/ and from information I noted at the
meeting. It is not complete.

I am prepared to maintain the listing, and add extra details (contact
information etc.) if it would serve a useful purpose.

But I need missing information to be posted or emailed to me. For a
start, I need the location and frequencies of:

Radio Chomsky
Radio Southern Cross
Blockhouse Melodies
Radio Wairau
Virtual FM

I need the location of:
CBFM
Julia FM
Twisted
The Flea
Bay Classics

If this work is duplicated elsewhere and/or is not required, let me
know and I shall remove it.

-P.




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#2651 From: "Peter Shaw" <akwccr@...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:12 pm
Subject:: Updated file posted: List of FM stations in Auckland_20040628 		akwccr
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FYI.

Does any one have any additional information or corrections (see my
last post on the matter).

Thanks,
-P.

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#2650 From: "Peter Shaw" <akwccr@...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:05 pm
Subject:: WCCR is ON THE AIR with the TLC programme, and a change back to 107.5 MHz 		akwccr
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Please note that we put the TLC programme to air for the first time
at 01:30 a.m. on Sunday 27th June 2004, transmitting on 107.5 MHz out
of Te Atatu South, Waitakere City.

A trial on 106.9 MHz was not successful due to a number of factors:

1. We had all sorts of trouble with interference from another
transmission, centred on 106.7, but received across the band between
106.5 to 107.0.

2. 106.9 is only 0.1 MHz from Ray Mankelow's "Unforgettable Music" in
Massey (107.0).

3. KFM have expressed concern that our target area conflicts with
their KFM transmission on the same frequency, in that their coverage
reaches the city side of Te Atatu North.

4. I have informed Dave from SpiderFM (also 107.5 out of Avondale),
noting that our two target areas are different, and we have a natural
barrier between us, that being the rise along which Te Atatu Road
runs. I am unable to pick up his signal anywhere on our side, and I
am have not been able to receive our transmission on the city side
(that is, anywhere along the Northwestern Motorway from Te Atatu Road
onwards towards Pt Chevalier).

Peter Shaw
TLC (WCCR)

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#2649 From: Peter Rowson <akwccr@...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 2004 8:22 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] File posted to this group: "FM Station List-AK.PDF" 		akwccr
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Hi Graham,
 
Great to hear from you.
 
Yep, I have looked at your list in the past (I think Andrew Dubber linked to it in one of his weblogs). It certainly helped me gained a perspective on the national scene.
 
My spreadsheet was an attempt to present a summary of activity in the Auckland area, since there did not seem to be one elsewhere. I will raise the matter of its usefulness at the 2nd meeting of the LPFM society next Wednesday. Please feel free to take any info from it that you want. I am quite happy to pass on any new info to you - so far I have not received any!
 
BTW, check out http://www.countrymusic.net.nz/?Function=Home for the latest addition to the list - ours!
 
Warmest regards,
Peter Shaw.


"SOUNDWAVE FM - Hawke's Bay's 88.70 & 107.30 in Napier" <soundwavefm@...> wrote:
Hi Peter
 
I currently maintain a Micro-broadcasting list at:
 
which has some info, if you would like to forward any additions, and, or
amendments, then please do so.
 
Cheers, and thanks for being part of the world of LPFM here in NZ.
 
Regrads
 
Graham J Barclay
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Shaw
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 1:32 AM
Subject: [LPFM] File posted to this group: "FM Station List-AK.PDF"

Following on from the LPFM meeting last Tuesday, I have prepared a
summary of stations on air in the Auckland area, drawing on the
listing from Andrew Dubber's weblog,
http://thewireless.blogspot.com/ and from information I noted at the
meeting. It is not complete.

I am prepared to maintain the listing, and add extra details (contact
information etc.) if it would serve a useful purpose.

But I need missing information to be posted or emailed to me. For a
start, I need the location and frequencies of:

Radio Chomsky
Radio Southern Cross
Blockhouse Melodies
Radio Wairau
Virtual FM

I need the location of:
CBFM
Julia FM
Twisted
The Flea
Bay Classics

If this work is duplicated elsewhere and/or is not required, let me
know and I shall remove it.

-P.




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#2648 From: "Dave Smith" <radiopegasus@...>
Date: Sat Jun 26, 2004 12:18 pm
Subject:: RE: [LPFM] frequencies in Auckland area 		radiopegasus@...
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Simple solution ....Get Mai FM shifted...
>From: A740628@...
>Reply-To: LPFM_Radio@...
>To: LPFM_Radio@...
>Subject: [LPFM] frequencies in Auckland area
>Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:18:28 -0000
>
>
>A while back someone made a post on this group commenting on the unavailability of 88.5 88.6 and 88.7 within the Auckland area (i.e. within 120km of Skytower).
>
>But a bunch of micro-broadcasters telling one of Auckland's most listened to radio stations to "go elsewhere" is clearly a non-starter.  Nevertherless it remains ironic that the nations largest urban area, where demand for LPFM frequencies is the highest, has fewer frequencies available than elsewhere.
>
>So I thought maybe another aproach would be for the new Auckland LPFM user group to quietly and discreetly lobby the MED to make 106.4, 106.5 and 106.6 available for LPFM within 120km of Skytower.  This would do not more than level the playing field and put Auckland on even terms.  A less unreasonable suggestion than telling Mai to shift their backsides?
>
>
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#2647 From: "Richard Phelps" <richard.phelps@...>
Date: Sat Jun 26, 2004 7:50 am
Subject:: Re: frequencies in Auckland area 		customcuts_nz
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Agreed,

I wouldnt think that Mai would agree to move if offered a new
frequency. They have 10+ years of history and will not tolerate
footing the bill for rebranding.

Because of this disadvantage for Auckland LPFM'ers, maybe there should
be an expansion of LP frequencies to keep us on par with the rest of
the country. It's only 300khz of space after all.

R.

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., A740628@y... wrote:
>
> A while back someone made a post on this group commenting on the
unavailability of 88.5 88.6 and 88.7 within the Auckland area (i.e.
within 120km of Skytower).
>
> But a bunch of micro-broadcasters telling one of Auckland's most
listened to radio stations to "go elsewhere" is clearly a non-starter.
  Nevertherless it remains ironic that the nations largest urban area,
where demand for LPFM frequencies is the highest, has fewer
frequencies available than elsewhere.
>
> So I thought maybe another aproach would be for the new Auckland
LPFM user group to quietly and discreetly lobby the MED to make 106.4,
106.5 and 106.6 available for LPFM within 120km of Skytower.  This
would do not more than level the playing field and put Auckland on
even terms.  A less unreasonable suggestion than telling Mai to shift
their backsides?

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#2646 From: Michael and Ross <alnairgrus@...>
Date: Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:55 pm
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] frequencies in Auckland area 		alnairgrus
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It may work ok in the day but once you get higher power it will "skywave" at night and interfer then with people even in the rest of NZ.(unless you reduce power from eg 1 watt to 25mW.)
 
Michael

Ross Levis <ross@...> wrote:
If I was doing AM, I would want much more than 1/2 km coverage.
 
Ross.
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Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [LPFM] frequencies in Auckland area

What about LPAM it probably work better but only use the 1611-1701 band and limit to 25mW that will get a ground signal about 1/2 km or so.
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#2645 From: "Ross Levis" <ross@...>
Date: Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:19 pm
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] frequencies in Auckland area 		rosslevis
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> RT's should no longer be there
 
Are you sure this area has been vacated?  I'm not sure there was any need for them to be vacated.
 
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Subject: Re: [LPFM] frequencies in Auckland area

Probably the 87.8 to 88.0 range should be used,as 106.2 maybe going to be one of the skytower ones being .8 away from "Coast 105.4" as thats the current spacings.
Its used in Australia right to 87.6 even and RT's should no longer be there.
Michael


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#2644 From: "Ross Levis" <ross@...>
Date: Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:17 pm
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If I was doing AM, I would want much more than 1/2 km coverage.
 
Ross.
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Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [LPFM] frequencies in Auckland area

What about LPAM it probably work better but only use the 1611-1701 band and limit to 25mW that will get a ground signal about 1/2 km or so.
Michael


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#2643 From: Michael and Ross <alnairgrus@...>
Date: Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:08 pm
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What about LPAM it probably work better but only use the 1611-1701 band and limit to 25mW that will get a ground signal about 1/2 km or so.
Michael

Ross Levis <ross@...> wrote:
I believe 106.2 is the highest full power frequency that will be allocated to Auckland.  106.4 would likely be unusable close to Sky Tower, but 106.5 onwards is probably fine.  But it will not happen.  Full power stations do not want signals within 400khz due to selectivity problems on cheap clock radios etc.  88.6 was created as an exception to the rule as RSM were under pressure to provide a frequency.  88.4 was already a guardband frequency so Mai FM would have understood and accepted small pockets of selectivity problems.
 


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#2642 From: Michael and Ross <alnairgrus@...>
Date: Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:03 pm
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Probably the 87.8 to 88.0 range should be used,as 106.2 maybe going to be one of the skytower ones being .8 away from "Coast 105.4" as thats the current spacings.
Its used in Australia right to 87.6 even and RT's should no longer be there.
Michael

A740628@... wrote:

A while back someone made a post on this group commenting on the unavailability of 88.5 88.6 and 88.7 within the Auckland area (i.e. within 120km of Skytower).

But a bunch of micro-broadcasters telling one of Auckland's most listened to radio stations to "go elsewhere" is clearly a non-starter.  Nevertherless it remains ironic that the nations largest urban area, where demand for LPFM frequencies is the highest, has fewer frequencies available than elsewhere. 

So I thought maybe another aproach would be for the new Auckland LPFM user group to quietly and discreetly lobby the MED to make 106.4, 106.5 and 106.6 available for LPFM within 120km of Skytower.  This would do not more than level the playing field and put Auckland on even terms.  A less unreasonable suggestion than telling Mai to shift their backsides?





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#2641 From: "Ross Levis" <ross@...>
Date: Fri Jun 25, 2004 9:50 pm
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I believe 106.2 is the highest full power frequency that will be allocated to Auckland.  106.4 would likely be unusable close to Sky Tower, but 106.5 onwards is probably fine.  But it will not happen.  Full power stations do not want signals within 400khz due to selectivity problems on cheap clock radios etc.  88.6 was created as an exception to the rule as RSM were under pressure to provide a frequency.  88.4 was already a guardband frequency so Mai FM would have understood and accepted small pockets of selectivity problems.
 
Ross.
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Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 1:18 AM
Subject: [LPFM] frequencies in Auckland area


A while back someone made a post on this group commenting on the unavailability of 88.5 88.6 and 88.7 within the Auckland area (i.e. within 120km of Skytower).

But a bunch of micro-broadcasters telling one of Auckland's most listened to radio stations to "go elsewhere" is clearly a non-starter.  Nevertherless it remains ironic that the nations largest urban area, where demand for LPFM frequencies is the highest, has fewer frequencies available than elsewhere. 

So I thought maybe another aproach would be for the new Auckland LPFM user group to quietly and discreetly lobby the MED to make 106.4, 106.5 and 106.6 available for LPFM within 120km of Skytower.  This would do not more than level the playing field and put Auckland on even terms.  A less unreasonable suggestion than telling Mai to shift their backsides?





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#2640 From: "SOUNDWAVE FM - Hawke's Bay's 88.70 & 107.30 in Napier" <soundwavefm@...>
Date: Thu Jun 24, 2004 5:31 pm
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] File posted to this group: "FM Station List-AK.PDF" 		kiwi-radio
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Hi Peter
 
I currently maintain a Micro-broadcasting list at:
 
which has some info, if you would like to forward any additions, and, or
amendments, then please do so.
 
Cheers, and thanks for being part of the world of LPFM here in NZ.
 
Regrads
 
Graham J Barclay
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Shaw
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 1:32 AM
Subject: [LPFM] File posted to this group: "FM Station List-AK.PDF"

Following on from the LPFM meeting last Tuesday, I have prepared a
summary of stations on air in the Auckland area, drawing on the
listing from Andrew Dubber's weblog,
http://thewireless.blogspot.com/ and from information I noted at the
meeting. It is not complete.

I am prepared to maintain the listing, and add extra details (contact
information etc.) if it would serve a useful purpose.

But I need missing information to be posted or emailed to me. For a
start, I need the location and frequencies of:

Radio Chomsky
Radio Southern Cross
Blockhouse Melodies
Radio Wairau
Virtual FM

I need the location of:
CBFM
Julia FM
Twisted
The Flea
Bay Classics

If this work is duplicated elsewhere and/or is not required, let me
know and I shall remove it.

-P.




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