Hi,

As far as I know there is no LPTV licensing system

There are some low power licences issued, such as ch41 for Kaitaia
college (-3dBW), ch42 for Pakuranga College Media Studies (-5dBW)

These are in the community TV part of the spectrum and subject to
conditions imposed by the Ministry of Culture and Heritage - ie:
non-commercial community television.

Give MCH a ring - they can advise on whether they can issue a licence
in the ch 40 / 41 / 42 space, subject to the MED - or BCL - confirming
the technical availability of the licence.

ch39 is licenced to Amateur Radio operators - if you're a HAM you could
join up with your local Ham TV club.

You can buy video/audio senders from eg Dick Smith but the power of
these is so low that they would be limited to broadcast coverage of you
and maybe your neighbours house. This would however be the cheapest,
easiest, licence-free way to try out a bit of TV.

And as a rule of thumb, TV costs 10x as much as radio in everything you
do.

Cheers, Jochen



>>> DuffyFamily@... 9/02/05 >>>
Hi Group, just a silly little toying with an idea ?

What is rsm's view towards low power television transmissions?

Thanks M.B. D
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<<<< GWAVASIG >>>>

Way back when, when I originally set up, APRA told me that while they have the
requirement that LPFM station can be asked to report, in reality because the
income generated is so small it's not worth their while actually requesting it.

Robert
TLC Radio

On 31 Jan 2005 at 22:17, Michael Rowse wrote:

> Anyone find this weird??
>
> "There is a licence fee payable of $200 plus GST. This is an annual fee. Under
> the licence you are permitted to do a small amount of advertising (up to
10,000
> per year). Also we do not expect low power broadcasters to report to us the
> music that they broadcast like other stations do - so there are no difficult
> obligations. You just need to pay the fee and away you go."
>
>  That was direct from the APRA guy, and you guys say that we have to make a
>  report every quarter, and in the LPFM document that APRA sent me it says:
>
>  Section 5 Sub-section c "at APRA’s reasonable request, furnish to APRA a
>  certified list of each and every musical work broadcast  without any
exceptions
>  or omissions whatsoever of such programmes as APRA  may from time to time
>  require by notice in writing  PROVIDED ALWAYS that  APRA may not make any
>  unreasonable demands on the Licensee in relation  to such certified lists."
>
> All seems very contradictary to me.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Rowse [mailto:valdusradio@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 1 February 2005 7:18 p.m.
To: LPFM_Radio@...
Subject: Re: [LPFM] APRA reporting requirements

Anyone find this weird??

 

"There is a licence fee payable of $200 plus GST. This is an annual fee. Under the licence you are permitted to do a small amount of advertising (up to 10,000 per year). Also we do not expect low power broadcasters to report to us the music that they broadcast like other stations do - so there are no difficult obligations. You just need to pay the fee and away you go."

 That was direct from the APRA guy, and you guys say that we have to make a report every quarter, and in the LPFM document that APRA sent me it says:

 

 Section 5 Sub-section c "at APRAs reasonable request, furnish to APRA a certified list of each and every musical work broadcast  without any exceptions or omissions whatsoever of such programmes as APRA  may from time to time require by notice in writing  PROVIDED ALWAYS that  APRA may not make any unreasonable demands on the Licensee in relation  to such certified lists."

All seems very contradictary to me.

Richard Phelps <retrohitradio@...> wrote:

APRA reports are quarterly. Contact APRA for more details, coz
conditions apply.

Where are you setting up Mike?

I wanna meet the Briscoes lady..

R.
--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "valdusradio" <valdusradio@y...>
wrote:
>
> How often are you requried to submit a report to APRA?
>
> Cheers, Mike





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Can you point us in the right direction to find out more about them

Robert
TLC Radio

On 1 Feb 2005 at 5:29, Richard Phelps wrote:

>
>
> These are UA or UB licenses for the UHF band. There are a handful
> out there already.
>

When I was setting up my station I rung APRA to query a few points about
the contract.  One of those points was the reporting.

I was told that although I would be obliged to submit logs upon request
as per the contract, in practice APRA have never asked LPFM stations for
this.

Edwin.


Michael Rowse wrote:
> Anyone find this weird??
>
> /"There is a licence fee payable of $200 plus GST. This is an annual
> fee. Under the licence you are permitted to do a small amount of
> advertising (up to 10,000 per year). *Also we do not expect low power
> broadcasters to report to us the music that they broadcast like other
> stations do* - so there are no difficult obligations. You just need to
> pay the fee and away you go."/
>
>  That was direct from the APRA guy, and you guys say that we have to
> make a report every quarter, and in the LPFM document that APRA sent me
> it says:
>
>  Section 5 Sub-section c /"at APRA’s reasonable request, furnish to APRA
> a certified list of each and every musical work broadcast  without any
> exceptions or omissions whatsoever of such programmes as APRA  may from
> time to time require by notice in writing  _PROVIDED ALWAYS_ that  APRA
> may not make any unreasonable demands on the Licensee in relation  to
> such certified lists."/
>
> All seems very contradictary to me.
>
>
>
> */Richard Phelps <retrohitradio@...>/* wrote:
>
>
>     APRA reports are quarterly. Contact APRA for more details, coz
>     conditions apply.
>
>     Where are you setting up Mike?
>
>     I wanna meet the Briscoes lady..
>
>     R.
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>      > How often are you requried to submit a report to APRA?
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All seems very contradictary to me.

APRA reports are quarterly. Contact APRA for more details, coz
conditions apply.

Where are you setting up Mike?

I wanna meet the Briscoes lady..

R.
--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "valdusradio" <valdusradio@y...>
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> How often are you requried to submit a report to APRA?
>
> Cheers, Mike





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These are UA or UB licenses for the UHF band. There are a handful
out there already.

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "M.B & J.D Duffy"
<DuffyFamily@x> wrote:
> Hi Group, just a silly little toying with an idea ?
>
> What is rsm's view towards low power television transmissions?
>
> Thanks M.B. D

Typo =p

Ethan

On 30 Jan 2005 at 11:22, Michael Rowse wrote:

>
> "Ethan, what is "hel u on 88.1 soz"?
> nothing came up at spellcheck.net"
>
> Means: help you on 88.1 sorry
> I have been chatting to Ethan on MSN for a few months now, so have become
quite deft at
> translating modern teenager speak into comprehensible adult speak. :)
>
>
> Richard Phelps <retrohitradio@...> wrote:
>
>     I found the location of 88.1 in Highland Park on Cromdale Ave - which
>     has a moderate overlook of the area. It is a mono transmission and by
>     no surprise - leaks out toward the Mt Wellington interchange, and
>     parts of Otahuhu (my office), but not much. The coverage map I plotted
>     is typical, I matched the site to local geography and LPFM power
>     limits, and seems okay. Im not too concerned.
>
>     I would however, like to point out two operators who need a good slap
>     across the face. 106.8 in Highland Park, and 106.7 in Botany (freq's
>     may be the other way around, I apologise). Both are asian
>     broadcasters, and both are WAY overmodulating. You cannot listen in
>     the car for more than 1km before the other splatters the others
>     signal. What a waste.
>
>     I never heard "The X!" on 88.3 when I visited last Tuesday night. I
>     did hear Mountainside though. Come to mention it, I heard them on
>     107.4 and 107.7 also - thats three transmitters within 25kms!
>
>     I've CC'd this email to disputes at the LPFM society
>
>     > Nope The X! is on 88.3
>     > Hmm cant hel u on 88.1 soz
>     > Regards,
>     > Ethan
>
>
>     Ethan, what is "hel u on 88.1 soz"?
>     nothing came up at spellcheck.net
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Absolutely, I could not agreee more.

You paid a couple of hundred too much.
We used the Papatoetoe Santa Parade for free publicity - everyone in
the parade was handing out fliers, so we did too. Life FM were there
and handed out nothing.

Theres plenty a LPfm'er can do on a limited, or no budget.
As for any parade, its a waste of time and money unless your LPFM
actually broadcasts in the area of the parade.

Know your audience.

R.

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., Michael Rowse <valdusradio@y...>
wrote:
> That may be so for the Auckland Santa Parade, but I said HOWICK
Santa Parade, which is full of local churches, cub scouts, kindys,
etc. The cost of entering a float is nowhere near the cost you quoted.
Maybe a couple of hundred at max. Makes good sense to enter a float in
the parade at that price seeing as the people watching the parade are
the only ones that will be able to tune in given the small broadcast
area available to us LPFMers.





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Means: help you on 88.1 sorry

I have been chatting to Ethan on MSN for a few months now, so have become quite deft at translating modern teenager speak into comprehensible adult speak. :)

I found the location of 88.1 in Highland Park on Cromdale Ave - which
has a moderate overlook of the area. It is a mono transmission and by
no surprise - leaks out toward the Mt Wellington interchange, and
parts of Otahuhu (my office), but not much. The coverage map I plotted
is typical, I matched the site to local geography and LPFM power
limits, and seems okay. Im not too concerned.

I would however, like to point out two operators who need a good slap
across the face. 106.8 in Highland Park, and 106.7 in Botany (freq's
may be the other way around, I apologise). Both are asian
broadcasters, and both are WAY overmodulating. You cannot listen in
the car for more than 1km before the other splatters the others
signal. What a waste.

I never heard "The X!" on 88.3 when I visited last Tuesday night. I
did hear Mountainside though. Come to mention it, I heard them on
107.4 and 107.7 also - thats three transmitters within 25kms!

I've CC'd this email to disputes at the LPFM society

> Nope The X! is on 88.3
> Hmm cant hel u on 88.1 soz
> Regards,
> Ethan


Ethan, what is "hel u on 88.1 soz"?
nothing came up at spellcheck.net






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You paid a couple of hundred too much.
We used the Papatoetoe Santa Parade for free publicity - everyone in
the parade was handing out fliers, so we did too. Life FM were there
and handed out nothing.

Theres plenty a LPfm'er can do on a limited, or no budget.
As for any parade, its a waste of time and money unless your LPFM
actually broadcasts in the area of the parade.

Know your audience.

R.

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., Michael Rowse <valdusradio@y...>
wrote:
> That may be so for the Auckland Santa Parade, but I said HOWICK
Santa Parade, which is full of local churches, cub scouts, kindys,
etc. The cost of entering a float is nowhere near the cost you quoted.
Maybe a couple of hundred at max. Makes good sense to enter a float in
the parade at that price seeing as the people watching the parade are
the only ones that will be able to tune in given the small broadcast
area available to us LPFMers.

I found the location of 88.1 in Highland Park on Cromdale Ave - which
has a moderate overlook of the area. It is a mono transmission and by
no surprise - leaks out toward the Mt Wellington interchange, and
parts of Otahuhu (my office), but not much. The coverage map I plotted
is typical, I matched the site to local geography and LPFM power
limits, and seems okay. Im not too concerned.

I would however, like to point out two operators who need a good slap
across the face. 106.8 in Highland Park, and 106.7 in Botany (freq's
may be the other way around, I apologise). Both are asian
broadcasters, and both are WAY overmodulating. You cannot listen in
the car for more than 1km before the other splatters the others
signal. What a waste.

I never heard "The X!" on 88.3 when I visited last Tuesday night. I
did hear Mountainside though. Come to mention it, I heard them on
107.4 and 107.7 also - thats three transmitters within 25kms!

I've CC'd this email to disputes at the LPFM society

> Nope The X! is on 88.3
> Hmm cant hel u on 88.1 soz
> Regards,
> Ethan


Ethan, what is "hel u on 88.1 soz"?
nothing came up at spellcheck.net

Oops!  Okay I stand corrected :-)

I was just surprised... I totallly agree with you.  That's why I
considered entering the parade in Wellington (until I found out how much
it costs!!!).



Michael Rowse wrote:
> That may be so for the Auckland Santa Parade, but I said HOWICK Santa
> Parade, which is full of local churches, cub scouts, kindys, etc. The
> cost of entering a float is nowhere near the cost you quoted. Maybe a
> couple of hundred at max. Makes good sense to enter a float in the
> parade at that price seeing as the people watching the parade are the
> only ones that will be able to tune in given the small broadcast area
> available to us LPFMers.
>
> */Mix FM <mixfm@...>/* wrote:
>
>
>     Cheap marketing?
>
>     The Wellington parade costs $2000 to enter - I'd imagine the Auckland
>     one would cost at least as much.
>
>     For $2000 you get some good print-based advertising or even a regional
>     TV ad campaign.
>
>     Edwin.
>
>
>
>     Michael Rowse wrote:
>      > They had a float in the Howick Santa Parade last year. Good idea for
>      > cheap marketing and being able to reach a large captive audience.
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Cheap marketing?

The Wellington parade costs $2000 to enter - I'd imagine the Auckland
one would cost at least as much.

For $2000 you get some good print-based advertising or even a regional
TV ad campaign.

Edwin.



Michael Rowse wrote:
> They had a float in the Howick Santa Parade last year. Good idea for
> cheap marketing and being able to reach a large captive audience.

Nope The X! is on 88.3

Hmm cant hel u on 88.1 soz

Regards,
Ethan

On 26 Jan 2005 at 5:12, Richard Phelps wrote:

>
>
> Is that Eccentric FM? I've heard 88.3, and they're fine. Its the 88.1
> im having trouble finding. Going for another drive tonight.
>
> cheers
>
> --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Ethan .L." <Kead@x> wrote:
> > My friend matt is in howick on 88.3
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ethan
> >
> > On 25 Jan 2005 at 6:22, Richard Phelps wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone know who else is using 88.1 in Sth Auckland, possibly from
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> > > it.
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Is that Eccentric FM? I've heard 88.3, and they're fine. Its the 88.1
im having trouble finding. Going for another drive tonight.

cheers

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Ethan .L." <Kead@x> wrote:
> My friend matt is in howick on 88.3
>
> Regards,
> Ethan
>
> On 25 Jan 2005 at 6:22, Richard Phelps wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Anyone know who else is using 88.1 in Sth Auckland, possibly from
> > the eastern/howick side? Im hearing another clone dance station on
> > it.
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My friend matt is in howick on 88.3

Regards,
Ethan

On 25 Jan 2005 at 6:22, Richard Phelps wrote:

>
>
> Anyone know who else is using 88.1 in Sth Auckland, possibly from
> the eastern/howick side? Im hearing another clone dance station on
> it.
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Anyone know who else is using 88.1 in Sth Auckland, possibly from
the eastern/howick side? Im hearing another clone dance station on
it.

LPFM throw rocks. Full power use nukes.


--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Jochen Siegenthaler"
> The radio licences in this country are like property - your licence
> defines the property boundries, and noone is allowed to step over the
> boundry.
> Going to 0.2 spacing means there will be a lot of tresspassing
> problems as people step onto your property boundry.
> And trespassers will get shot...
>
> Cheers, Jochen (ex ZL2TKK)

> > This will make interesting if the 0.4mhz spacing comes in for NZ
stations...
>
> It already has, makes tuning a clock radio like cracking a safe
almost.

And moving to 0.2 spacing will make the safe cracking harder...


> 0.2 works fine for the low power stations on any recently made
radio, so that should
> be tried for the big stations instead of 0.4 IMHO

Can't be done - the interference levels prevent it.
It's a real debate as to whether 0.4 spacing is acceptable given the
level of interference protection provided by law on the radio
licences in this country.

In LPFM space, you have no interference protection, and as the power
levels are so low the interference is minimal anyway (on a properly
setup station)
It's a huge difference when you are talking about 50,000W of radiated
power (instead of 0.5W for LPFM). The interference levels are much
higher, and so the frequency spacing has to be further.

The power levels slope of like the side of a hill - the higher the
peak of the hill, the higher the slopes will be. And the slops can
extend to +/- 300kHz (+/- 0.3) from the stations frequency - hence
the interference protection on the licence is stated at +/- 0.3 from
the centre frequency (and also at +/- 0.2).

The radio licences in this country are like property - your licence
defines the property boundries, and noone is allowed to step over the
boundry.
Going to 0.2 spacing means there will be a lot of tresspassing
problems as people step onto your property boundry.
And trespassers will get shot...

Cheers, Jochen (ex ZL2TKK)

> For some reason the expander has a blank spot it 84.0 on the dial
making it
> difficult to pick up the Edge in Oamaru cos they are 96.0

This is part of the detriment of fitting a band expander. you get
a 'blank spot' on the dial.

One way to solve it is:

Replace your radio.
Second hand radios are cheap on TradeMe - I bought a Sony Radio/CD
(with RDS even) for $100.
A much better solution than fitting a band expander...

Also, band expanders make it almost impossible to receive LPFM
stations - as sensitivity is reduced by around 10dB, that is the same
as reducing the LPFM transmit power from 0.5W EIRP to 0.05W EIRP

Jochen

Dave, I didnt see any promotion for 88.2FM yesterday at the Big Day
Out (not that any big day out punter would sit on the grass with a
walkman listening to hits from 'Billie').
What was your intention, or what were you looking to get out of your
five watts for the day?

R.

Geoff Barkman wrote:

>>One way to make a crappy receiver worse, or a good receiver crappy,
>>is to put a band expander at the front end.
>>Band Expanders destroy radio performance.
>>(let's see if this topic hits a live nerve...)

There are varying quality of band expanders. The one that we had in our old jap
import honda from 1990 or so was a lot better then one that a friend had put
into his car recently by the importers of the car. Sadly when you have a
japanese GPS system integrated into the dash its not simple to swap the headunit
out as its a weird size and tied into numerous other looms for the GPS stuff.

> For some reason the expander has a blank spot it 84.0 on the dial making it
> difficult to pick up the Edge in Oamaru cos they are 96.0

Thats because that is a multiple of the local oscilator in the band expander, so
you are just tuning to a blank carrier

> This will make interesting if the 0.4mhz spacing comes in for NZ stations...

It already has, makes tuning a clock radio like cracking a safe almost. 0.2
works fine for the low power stations on any recently made radio, so that should
be tried for the big stations instead of 0.4 IMHO

> RSM even has a report on their website about it....
>
> http://www.med.govt.nz/rsm/publications/pibs/band-expander.html
>
>
>
> Cheers Geoff Barkman 	 ZL4TUX

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:11, Jochen Siegenthaler wrote:
>
> One way to make a crappy receiver worse, or a good receiver crappy,
> is to put a band expander at the front end.
> Band Expanders destroy radio performance.
> (let's see if this topic hits a live nerve...)
Agreed I have a 12 mhz band expander in my car... it basicly repeats every 12
mhz up the band ...eg. dial up 83.0 on the dial and it picks up 95.0... as
well as a very week signal on 107.0 in Dunedin when you are parked about 30
metres from 107.0's transmitter

Dial up 79.8 on the dial... it picks up the Edge on 91.8 as well as Nue FM on
103.8.... this makes interesting driving around Dunedin because it chops from
one station to another, multiple times, as you drive down a typical street in
Dunedin.

For some reason the expander has a blank spot it 84.0 on the dial making it
difficult to pick up the Edge in Oamaru cos they are 96.0

This will make interesting if the 0.4mhz spacing comes in for NZ stations...


RSM even has a report on their website about it....

http://www.med.govt.nz/rsm/publications/pibs/band-expander.html



Cheers Geoff Barkman 	 ZL4TUX
--
And now for the silly quote......
Editing is a rewording activity.

Hi Richard,

Happy New Year to you to!

Yep, you are dead right. Range depends on receiver performance, which
varies HUGELY.
You can get crappy receivers, and you get good receivers.
One way to make a crappy receiver worse, or a good receiver crappy,
is to put a band expander at the front end.
Band Expanders destroy radio performance.
(let's see if this topic hits a live nerve...)

FM goes forever and a day if you have wonder clear line of sight and
a good receive antenna with a good receiver.

The ITU guidelines for FM design are based on generic receiver
performance figures, which don't apply to all receivers, but DO
provide a common set of guidelines for design of FM broadcast systems.
If you follow the guidelines, you won't be disappointed....

See ya! Jochen

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Richard Phelps"
<retrohitradio@p...> wrote:
>
> Happy new year Jochen!
>
> It would depend on the receiver right?
> My home is about 8kms from my site but get stereo at home (even on a
> walkman).
> Only in my car radio do I get mono from my stereo tx, to which these
> guidelines are right.
>