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thanks for your feedback.
a couple of questions:
what is a "sweeper" and what is an "ftp" site?

cheers

On 23/06/05, Richard Phelps <retrohitradio@...> wrote:
>  If you are using the shuffle function of winamp, you can easily place
>  your legal IDs once every 70 songs if you are oldies based, or 30 if
>  you are dance music based, and around 50 if you are pop/rock based.
>  This should give you one play within a 3 hour period... but read on..
>
>  > >  > I thought it was every three hours.
>  > > I believe it is once an hour.  RSM don't want to listen for 3
>  hours to
>  > > find out where you are.  A way of contacting you must also be
>  included
>  > > every hour, such as a phone number, website, email address, or
>  station
>  > > name in the phone book.
>
>  There are simpler ways of doing this announcement. A few tips:
>
>  • Make sweepers that have your station ID and phone number.
>  • Include your email address in voicebreaks.
>  • If you have a community noticeboard, it should be included
>  there.
>  • When reading weather, say the name of your area "in Taradale
>  today..." help listeners figure where your local broadcast is through
>  basic suggestion.
>
>  You will find that broadcasting your contact details in subtle ways
>  can enhance your stations programming, rather than just broadcasting
>  a legal requirement.
>
>  > Couldnt you just stick it in RDS and be done with it? Dont recall
>  reading it had
>  > to be a audio announcement in the regs
>
>  Thats being lazy. No. Dont ask about mushrooms on a hawaiian pizza.
>  Ask about the pineapple listed.
>
>
>
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--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Robert S Dew" <bob@d...> wrote:
> I was in Rotorua yesterday and scanning for the local Country
Station that I
> knew was there and came across a station broadcasting on 87.7.
>
> Didn't hear any contact details.
>
> They were strong in the south end of Rotorua.
>
> I am right in my assumption that that is not a frequency that is
allocated to
> LPFM use.


Not yet! I think eventually the NZ FM band will edge out to cover from
87.5 to 108. But there is a risk that if we get extra places down
below, they wil be nipped off the top of the low band and sold at vast
expense to the duopoly.

So would would be no better off overall.

Philip

I was in Rotorua yesterday and scanning for the local Country Station that I
knew was there and came across a station broadcasting on 87.7.

Didn't hear any contact details.

They were strong in the south end of Rotorua.

I am right in my assumption that that is not a frequency that is allocated to
LPFM use.

Robert
TLC Radio - Otahuhu

A quick check with Christine at NRG confirms that to up the power of
one of these transmitters from 500 mW to 1 watt you need to replace
the two  47R resistors R68 & R69 with 0.5 watt R22s (20 cents at Dick
Smith).

Took me 20 minutes this morning. Seems to have made a difference.

Philip

Primetime 1ZZ

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "John Peterson"
<johnpeterson@i...> wrote:
> I've been giving this some thought.  First the "rational" approach is
> sound and honourable.  Given what has been said about the operator
> concerned one wouldn't expect this to work however as it appears that
> they don't really care.
>
> Could I suggest that verifying their "inspection" and sign off by RSM
> might be a good place to start.  If indeed they are running too much
> power, then getting that cut back would solve much of the problem.
>
I'd endorse that.

We learned at the Auckland LPFM meeting that broadcasting, which is
what we have a general users' licence to do in the guard bands,
consists of sending programmes. Not white noise, blanking signals or
unmodulated carrier waves.

We already know that splattering, drifting off frequency etc are not
allowed. So check out the channels, note each one for stability, and
check that the same content is not being sent from more than two
stations within 25km of each other. This might be relevant if there
are three coverage areas being handled trhough two (or even three)
transmission sites. You can't have more than two transmitters carrying
the same programme within 25 km of each other.

I like tbe idea of going to the press - the problem is that first,
Mainland may just put up two fingers - they don't care. Second, in
national terms they are a minnow being accused of monstering an even
smaller minnow. National papers are likely to write it up, if at all,
as a storm in a teacup.

Have you asked about renting their transmitter & frequency instead of
having the hassle of setting up & maintaining your own? It might be
more cost-effective for you.

There is a really sneaky thing you are free to do if all else fails.

1. Write to all the organisations that they've rented transmitter
space to in Blenheim, telling them that this company is ganging up on
community based effort. You need to be careful not to accuse Mainland
of any illegal behavior unless you know they are actually being
illegal, not just annoying.

2. Write all their advertsisers and sponsors on the tv channels,
telling them how sad you are so see such fine reputable advertisers
being associated with such a cheap shoddy operation that their mere
presence on its air tells viewers that this is a company that does not
care for the local community and has contempt for community effort.

Careful wording will be needed to avoid the danger of libel - but in
the end, like most broadcasting companies, Mainland's main asset is
its goodwill and reputation, and these are fragile things.

Tread carefully, and carry a small stick and a big legal expenses
insurance!

Part of the prob is that Mainland is one of the few surviving
functional local tv services. TV just costs too much money, and
programmes are too hard to come by, for real local tv to work most
places. So Mainland will fight back, and like we've said, they do it
for a living.

Good luck!

Philip

Primetime Radio 1ZZ in the Bay of Islands
(coming next school term: Radio 10KK Okaihau College)

>And if they don't want this "dog in the manger"
>story to get adverse media coverage, they need to contact you urgently.
>d) then go to the media

The Nelson Newspaper is extremely critical of nearly everything Garry
Watson /Mainland tv does. In fact some claim the Nelson city council has a
personal Vendetta against them!

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Nigel King" <beaglenz@i...> wrote:
> Can I maybe suggest another alternative, go to the media in the area,
> you are a community based radio station, you are the little guys, the
> media love this stuff, get the big guys listeners/watchers to boycott
> them, it's amazing what pressure from the general public can do

I agree with this suggestion, but I'd suggest you save this for a
"final assault." The problem is that once initiated, it is hard to
reverse and some people take the view that the damage is done and now
we just have to weather it, and become even more intransigent and
stubborn just to try and punish you back.

My suggested approach would be something like
a) write a letter asking for a meeting where you can talk about the
issues and reach a mutually satisfactory solution. Include 3 suggested
meeting times you can meet, and ask them to choose which, and if none
are suitable ask them to nominte two possible times back to you
(indicate when you are generally available)
b) follow up repeating the request, and include at the bottom of your
letter a CC to your lawyer (anyone would do)
cc: John Gibson, Solicitor, Sueem Grabbit and Runn
This may get their attention, and lets them know you do have a paper trail
c) follow up with a third letetr explaining your extreme
disappointment that they haven't taken up the opportunity for a
discussion on the issue. Let them know that a friend of yours in the
media is interested in covering this "David and Goliath" story and
that frankly with their lack of cooperation, you are inclined to bare
your soul to them. And if they don't want this "dog in the manger"
story to get adverse media coverage, they need to contact you urgently.
d) then go to the media

Note that you are creating a paper trail demonstrating you have been
on the moral high ground at all tims.

If they do actually meet with you then you may actually resolve the
issue. If they are uncooperative stinkers then document the meeting,
and then send them a letter with your record of what happened (so they
have to get back to you if they dispute it) and express your
disappointment and move straight on the c) with the CC to the lawyer.

Adjust the stratgey appropriately according to the response.

-----Original Message-----
From: LPFM_Radio@... [mailto:LPFM_Radio@...] On Behalf Of M.B & J.D Duffy
Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2005 7:20 p.m.
To: LPFM_Radio@...
Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: 107.5 in Blenheim

Hi and yes you are correct it is 500mw eirp. The tx output is 1 watt into
over 20mtrs rg58 (though it is good Beldin low loss coax)
Further to my previous post about our range we can't even get out of the
carpark know. Since yesterday the 107.5 signal is so overmodulated it is
coming over the top of 107.3 sounding like side band and for the last 2 days
there has been no broadcast, just white noise on the 107.7
M.B D


----- Original Message -----
From: "philip_crookes" <philip@...>
To: <LPFM_Radio@...>
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 1:33 AM
Subject: [LPFM] Re: 107.5 in Blenheim


> --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "M.B & J.D Duffy"
> <DuffyFamily@x> wrote:
> > Hi Group I have managed to contact the owner of
> > these transmitters. They are
> > a commercial operator from Nelson
>
> This is the Mainland TV company, at :
> 133 Waimea Rd, Nelson - Ph 03 546 6567 Fax 03 548 8874
> Email manager@.... You already knew that, now we all do.
>
> I suppose what they are doing is legal, but it's about as neighborly
> to other LPFM broadcasters as breeding pit bulls in the public park.
>
> However, while I think their behavior, and hogging of so many
> channels, is ill-mannered and boorish, it doesn't seem to me to break
> any of the rules governing the guard bands.
>
> I note that they don't say on their web page that the are using 107.5
> in Blenheim, and there are channels from 106.7 through 107.1 that they
> haven't monopolized.
>
> if they are reaching 20 km in stereo, I am faintly surprised. I wonder
> if the regulatory guys have actually been round and measured - or just
> taken their word for it because they own a tv licence anyway.
> Certainly if they are broadcasting an un-locked signal or splattering,
> don't delay, dob 'em in!
>
> Mind you, you say their transmission site :
>
> > is approx 4 km from us and they are at an altitute
> > of around 50 metres however our 1 watt tx is
> > barley able to get more than a
> > couple of blocks without being overidden by them.
>
> Umm, which 1 watt would that be? The regs say you can use a
> transmitter (exciter) not more powerful than 500mW, and impose further
> limits on the strength of signal as measured 10 m from the antenna.
>
> So there may be interference from your side, too.
>
> How many other stations are there in Marlborough outside this little
> local monopoly? Are all the channels used up? Is there no way you can
> reach a peaceful accord with these people?
>
> It's tempting (and boy am I tempted) to argue zthat no holder of an
> existing high-poiwer licence should be allowed to use LPFM. But that
> way lies sudden death, because if the authorities have to police us,
> we'll be gone. It works because the admin task is trivial. Most of us
> behave ourselves most of the time, and nobody gets hurt.
>
> Once they have to start digging into anything outside the purely
> technical measurable stuff (is it on frequency, are there more of it
> within 25km, it is of legal power) we run the risk of being more
> trouble than the official world thinks we are worth.
>
> We have some excellent people running the RSD. I found out at the most
> successful meeting the other week in Auckland (oddly, not reported in
> here where I could see it) that the ministry is well disposed to us
> and sees us as a solution to a problem. But it was also clear that the
> "guard bands" are as they are to shield land transport and avaiation
> radio services from interference. That means we are poorly advised if
> we push the envelope too hard on power and bandwidth.
>
> Negotiation, friendship and good karma may work better with Mainland
> tv than yelling and splattering. Part of the problem is that they do
> it for a living, and you probably don't. That gives them an edge...
>
> good luck
>
> Philip
>
> (life is easier in the Bay of Islands)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Hi and yes you are correct it is 500mw eirp. The tx output is 1 watt into
over 20mtrs rg58 (though it is good Beldin low loss coax)
Further to my previous post about our range we can't even get out of the
carpark know and the 107.5 signal is so overmodulated it is coming over the
top of 107.3 sounding like side band and for the last 2 days there has been
no broadcast, just white noise on the 107.7
M.B D

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Rowse" <valdusradio@...>
To: <LPFM_Radio@...>
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 3:39 AM
Subject: [LPFM] Re: 107.5 in Blenheim


> In regards to "Umm, which 1 watt would that be? The regs say you can
> use a transmitter (exciter) not more powerful than 500mW"
>
> In fact the regulations say "The maximum peak radiated power must
> not exceed -3 dBW (500mW) e.i.r.p."
>
> So the transmitter rating is not restricted at all, just the
> radiated power. Using a 1 watt transmitter with a few metres (20
> maybe) of coax will drop the radiated power down to the allowed
> limit.
>
> At least that is what I have read elsewhere in this newsgroup and
> that was the information that I took into account prior to ordering
> my 1 watt TX from NRG.
>
> Mike
>
>
> --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "philip_crookes" <philip@c...>
> wrote:
> > --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "M.B & J.D Duffy"
> > <DuffyFamily@x> wrote:
> > > Hi Group I have managed to contact the owner of
> > > these transmitters. They are
> > > a commercial operator from Nelson
> >
> > This is the Mainland TV company, at :
> > 133 Waimea Rd, Nelson - Ph 03 546 6567 Fax 03 548 8874
> > Email manager@7... You already knew that, now we all do.
> >
> > I suppose what they are doing is legal, but it's about as
> neighborly
> > to other LPFM broadcasters as breeding pit bulls in the public
> park.
> >
> > However, while I think their behavior, and hogging of so many
> > channels, is ill-mannered and boorish, it doesn't seem to me to
> break
> > any of the rules governing the guard bands.
> >
> > I note that they don't say on their web page that the are using
> 107.5
> > in Blenheim, and there are channels from 106.7 through 107.1 that
> they
> > haven't monopolized.
> >
> > if they are reaching 20 km in stereo, I am faintly surprised. I
> wonder
> > if the regulatory guys have actually been round and measured - or
> just
> > taken their word for it because they own a tv licence anyway.
> > Certainly if they are broadcasting an un-locked signal or
> splattering,
> > don't delay, dob 'em in!
> >
> > Mind you, you say their transmission site :
> >
> > > is approx 4 km from us and they are at an altitute
> > > of around 50 metres however our 1 watt tx is
> > > barley able to get more than a
> > > couple of blocks without being overidden by them.
> >
> > Umm, which 1 watt would that be? The regs say you can use a
> > transmitter (exciter) not more powerful than 500mW, and impose
> further
> > limits on the strength of signal as measured 10 m from the antenna.
> >
> > So there may be interference from your side, too.
> >
> > How many other stations are there in Marlborough outside this
> little
> > local monopoly? Are all the channels used up? Is there no way you
> can
> > reach a peaceful accord with these people?
> >
> > It's tempting (and boy am I tempted) to argue zthat no holder of an
> > existing high-poiwer licence should be allowed to use LPFM. But
> that
> > way lies sudden death, because if the authorities have to police
> us,
> > we'll be gone. It works because the admin task is trivial. Most of
> us
> > behave ourselves most of the time, and nobody gets hurt.
> >
> > Once they have to start digging into anything outside the purely
> > technical measurable stuff (is it on frequency, are there more of
> it
> > within 25km, it is of legal power) we run the risk of being more
> > trouble than the official world thinks we are worth.
> >
> > We have some excellent people running the RSD. I found out at the
> most
> > successful meeting the other week in Auckland (oddly, not reported
> in
> > here where I could see it) that the ministry is well disposed to us
> > and sees us as a solution to a problem. But it was also clear that
> the
> > "guard bands" are as they are to shield land transport and
> avaiation
> > radio services from interference. That means we are poorly advised
> if
> > we push the envelope too hard on power and bandwidth.
> >
> > Negotiation, friendship and good karma may work better with
> Mainland
> > tv than yelling and splattering. Part of the problem is that they
> do
> > it for a living, and you probably don't. That gives them an edge...
> >
> > good luck
> >
> > Philip
> >
> > (life is easier in the Bay of Islands)
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> LPFM Website: http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LPFM_Radio
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hi and yes you are correct it is 500mw eirp. The tx output is 1 watt into
over 20mtrs rg58 (though it is good Beldin low loss coax)
Further to my previous post about our range we can't even get out of the
carpark know. Since yesterday the 107.5 signal is so overmodulated it is
coming over the top of 107.3 sounding like side band and for the last 2 days
there has been no broadcast, just white noise on the 107.7
M.B D


----- Original Message -----
From: "philip_crookes" <philip@...>
To: <LPFM_Radio@...>
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 1:33 AM
Subject: [LPFM] Re: 107.5 in Blenheim


> --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "M.B & J.D Duffy"
> <DuffyFamily@x> wrote:
> > Hi Group I have managed to contact the owner of
> > these transmitters. They are
> > a commercial operator from Nelson
>
> This is the Mainland TV company, at :
> 133 Waimea Rd, Nelson - Ph 03 546 6567 Fax 03 548 8874
> Email manager@.... You already knew that, now we all do.
>
> I suppose what they are doing is legal, but it's about as neighborly
> to other LPFM broadcasters as breeding pit bulls in the public park.
>
> However, while I think their behavior, and hogging of so many
> channels, is ill-mannered and boorish, it doesn't seem to me to break
> any of the rules governing the guard bands.
>
> I note that they don't say on their web page that the are using 107.5
> in Blenheim, and there are channels from 106.7 through 107.1 that they
> haven't monopolized.
>
> if they are reaching 20 km in stereo, I am faintly surprised. I wonder
> if the regulatory guys have actually been round and measured - or just
> taken their word for it because they own a tv licence anyway.
> Certainly if they are broadcasting an un-locked signal or splattering,
> don't delay, dob 'em in!
>
> Mind you, you say their transmission site :
>
> > is approx 4 km from us and they are at an altitute
> > of around 50 metres however our 1 watt tx is
> > barley able to get more than a
> > couple of blocks without being overidden by them.
>
> Umm, which 1 watt would that be? The regs say you can use a
> transmitter (exciter) not more powerful than 500mW, and impose further
> limits on the strength of signal as measured 10 m from the antenna.
>
> So there may be interference from your side, too.
>
> How many other stations are there in Marlborough outside this little
> local monopoly? Are all the channels used up? Is there no way you can
> reach a peaceful accord with these people?
>
> It's tempting (and boy am I tempted) to argue zthat no holder of an
> existing high-poiwer licence should be allowed to use LPFM. But that
> way lies sudden death, because if the authorities have to police us,
> we'll be gone. It works because the admin task is trivial. Most of us
> behave ourselves most of the time, and nobody gets hurt.
>
> Once they have to start digging into anything outside the purely
> technical measurable stuff (is it on frequency, are there more of it
> within 25km, it is of legal power) we run the risk of being more
> trouble than the official world thinks we are worth.
>
> We have some excellent people running the RSD. I found out at the most
> successful meeting the other week in Auckland (oddly, not reported in
> here where I could see it) that the ministry is well disposed to us
> and sees us as a solution to a problem. But it was also clear that the
> "guard bands" are as they are to shield land transport and avaiation
> radio services from interference. That means we are poorly advised if
> we push the envelope too hard on power and bandwidth.
>
> Negotiation, friendship and good karma may work better with Mainland
> tv than yelling and splattering. Part of the problem is that they do
> it for a living, and you probably don't. That gives them an edge...
>
> good luck
>
> Philip
>
> (life is easier in the Bay of Islands)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> LPFM Website: http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LPFM_Radio
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Ps The lower band is also hogged by this company as well they, use 88.1,
88.4 and 88.7. You would usually find spacinging at 200khz so I could be
cynical and say that the odd spacing that they use negates a freq. that
could be used. !06.7 to107.1 are being used by Whisper 106.7, and SK107.
M.B D


----- Original Message -----
From: "philip_crookes" <philip@...>
To: <LPFM_Radio@...>
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 1:33 AM
Subject: [LPFM] Re: 107.5 in Blenheim


> --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "M.B & J.D Duffy"
> <DuffyFamily@x> wrote:
> > Hi Group I have managed to contact the owner of
> > these transmitters. They are
> > a commercial operator from Nelson
>
> This is the Mainland TV company, at :
> 133 Waimea Rd, Nelson - Ph 03 546 6567 Fax 03 548 8874
> Email manager@.... You already knew that, now we all do.
>
> I suppose what they are doing is legal, but it's about as neighborly
> to other LPFM broadcasters as breeding pit bulls in the public park.
>
> However, while I think their behavior, and hogging of so many
> channels, is ill-mannered and boorish, it doesn't seem to me to break
> any of the rules governing the guard bands.
>
> I note that they don't say on their web page that the are using 107.5
> in Blenheim, and there are channels from 106.7 through 107.1 that they
> haven't monopolized.
>
> if they are reaching 20 km in stereo, I am faintly surprised. I wonder
> if the regulatory guys have actually been round and measured - or just
> taken their word for it because they own a tv licence anyway.
> Certainly if they are broadcasting an un-locked signal or splattering,
> don't delay, dob 'em in!
>
> Mind you, you say their transmission site :
>
> > is approx 4 km from us and they are at an altitute
> > of around 50 metres however our 1 watt tx is
> > barley able to get more than a
> > couple of blocks without being overidden by them.
>
> Umm, which 1 watt would that be? The regs say you can use a
> transmitter (exciter) not more powerful than 500mW, and impose further
> limits on the strength of signal as measured 10 m from the antenna.
>
> So there may be interference from your side, too.
>
> How many other stations are there in Marlborough outside this little
> local monopoly? Are all the channels used up? Is there no way you can
> reach a peaceful accord with these people?
>
> It's tempting (and boy am I tempted) to argue zthat no holder of an
> existing high-poiwer licence should be allowed to use LPFM. But that
> way lies sudden death, because if the authorities have to police us,
> we'll be gone. It works because the admin task is trivial. Most of us
> behave ourselves most of the time, and nobody gets hurt.
>
> Once they have to start digging into anything outside the purely
> technical measurable stuff (is it on frequency, are there more of it
> within 25km, it is of legal power) we run the risk of being more
> trouble than the official world thinks we are worth.
>
> We have some excellent people running the RSD. I found out at the most
> successful meeting the other week in Auckland (oddly, not reported in
> here where I could see it) that the ministry is well disposed to us
> and sees us as a solution to a problem. But it was also clear that the
> "guard bands" are as they are to shield land transport and avaiation
> radio services from interference. That means we are poorly advised if
> we push the envelope too hard on power and bandwidth.
>
> Negotiation, friendship and good karma may work better with Mainland
> tv than yelling and splattering. Part of the problem is that they do
> it for a living, and you probably don't. That gives them an edge...
>
> good luck
>
> Philip
>
> (life is easier in the Bay of Islands)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> LPFM Website: http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LPFM_Radio
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Just make sure you ring the right number in Bradford. There are 2
transmitter business's there just one seems better than the other. LOL


----- Original Message -----
From: "philip_crookes" <philip@...>
To: <LPFM_Radio@...>
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 3:47 PM
Subject: [LPFM] Re: 107.5 in Blenheim


> --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Ross Levis" <ross@s...> wrote:
> > That is correct.
> >
> > I had my 1 watt installation at Mt Maunganui checked by RSM earlier
> this year and it was fine.  It's going through 10 metres of RG58 and
> then roughly 30 metres of RG214 I think it is.
>
> That is good to know. Now I need to look at the circuit diagram and
> see how to tweak the box I have.
>
> Should be no more than swapping out a couple of resistors.
>
> A Sunday project, followed if I get it wrong with an interesting blue
> flash and some smoke, and a hasty call to Bradford!
>
> Philip
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Ross Levis" <ross@s...> wrote:
> That is correct.
>
> I had my 1 watt installation at Mt Maunganui checked by RSM earlier
this year and it was fine.  It's going through 10 metres of RG58 and
then roughly 30 metres of RG214 I think it is.

That is good to know. Now I need to look at the circuit diagram and
see how to tweak the box I have.

Should be no more than swapping out a couple of resistors.

A Sunday project, followed if I get it wrong with an interesting blue
flash and some smoke, and a hasty call to Bradford!

Philip

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Rowse

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 7:39 PM

Subject: [LPFM] Re: 107.5 in Blenheim

In regards to "Umm, which 1 watt would that be? The regs say you can
use a transmitter (exciter) not more powerful than 500mW"

In fact the regulations say "The maximum peak radiated power must
not exceed -3 dBW (500mW) e.i.r.p."

So the transmitter rating is not restricted at all, just the
radiated power. Using a 1 watt transmitter with a few metres (20
maybe) of coax will drop the radiated power down to the allowed
limit.

At least that is what I have read elsewhere in this newsgroup and
that was the information that I took into account prior to ordering
my 1 watt TX from NRG.

Mike

In regards to "Umm, which 1 watt would that be? The regs say you can
use a transmitter (exciter) not more powerful than 500mW"

In fact the regulations say "The maximum peak radiated power must
not exceed -3 dBW (500mW) e.i.r.p."

So the transmitter rating is not restricted at all, just the
radiated power. Using a 1 watt transmitter with a few metres (20
maybe) of coax will drop the radiated power down to the allowed
limit.

At least that is what I have read elsewhere in this newsgroup and
that was the information that I took into account prior to ordering
my 1 watt TX from NRG.

Mike


--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "philip_crookes" <philip@c...>
wrote:
> --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "M.B & J.D Duffy"
> <DuffyFamily@x> wrote:
> > Hi Group I have managed to contact the owner of
> > these transmitters. They are
> > a commercial operator from Nelson
>
> This is the Mainland TV company, at :
> 133 Waimea Rd, Nelson - Ph 03 546 6567 Fax 03 548 8874
> Email manager@7... You already knew that, now we all do.
>
> I suppose what they are doing is legal, but it's about as
neighborly
> to other LPFM broadcasters as breeding pit bulls in the public
park.
>
> However, while I think their behavior, and hogging of so many
> channels, is ill-mannered and boorish, it doesn't seem to me to
break
> any of the rules governing the guard bands.
>
> I note that they don't say on their web page that the are using
107.5
> in Blenheim, and there are channels from 106.7 through 107.1 that
they
> haven't monopolized.
>
> if they are reaching 20 km in stereo, I am faintly surprised. I
wonder
> if the regulatory guys have actually been round and measured - or
just
> taken their word for it because they own a tv licence anyway.
> Certainly if they are broadcasting an un-locked signal or
splattering,
> don't delay, dob 'em in!
>
> Mind you, you say their transmission site :
>
> > is approx 4 km from us and they are at an altitute
> > of around 50 metres however our 1 watt tx is
> > barley able to get more than a
> > couple of blocks without being overidden by them.
>
> Umm, which 1 watt would that be? The regs say you can use a
> transmitter (exciter) not more powerful than 500mW, and impose
further
> limits on the strength of signal as measured 10 m from the antenna.
>
> So there may be interference from your side, too.
>
> How many other stations are there in Marlborough outside this
little
> local monopoly? Are all the channels used up? Is there no way you
can
> reach a peaceful accord with these people?
>
> It's tempting (and boy am I tempted) to argue zthat no holder of an
> existing high-poiwer licence should be allowed to use LPFM. But
that
> way lies sudden death, because if the authorities have to police
us,
> we'll be gone. It works because the admin task is trivial. Most of
us
> behave ourselves most of the time, and nobody gets hurt.
>
> Once they have to start digging into anything outside the purely
> technical measurable stuff (is it on frequency, are there more of
it
> within 25km, it is of legal power) we run the risk of being more
> trouble than the official world thinks we are worth.
>
> We have some excellent people running the RSD. I found out at the
most
> successful meeting the other week in Auckland (oddly, not reported
in
> here where I could see it) that the ministry is well disposed to us
> and sees us as a solution to a problem. But it was also clear that
the
> "guard bands" are as they are to shield land transport and
avaiation
> radio services from interference. That means we are poorly advised
if
> we push the envelope too hard on power and bandwidth.
>
> Negotiation, friendship and good karma may work better with
Mainland
> tv than yelling and splattering. Part of the problem is that they
do
> it for a living, and you probably don't. That gives them an edge...
>
> good luck
>
> Philip
>
> (life is easier in the Bay of Islands)

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "M.B & J.D Duffy"
<DuffyFamily@x> wrote:
> Hi Group I have managed to contact the owner of
> these transmitters. They are
> a commercial operator from Nelson

This is the Mainland TV company, at :
133 Waimea Rd, Nelson - Ph 03 546 6567 Fax 03 548 8874
Email manager@.... You already knew that, now we all do.

I suppose what they are doing is legal, but it's about as neighborly
to other LPFM broadcasters as breeding pit bulls in the public park.

However, while I think their behavior, and hogging of so many
channels, is ill-mannered and boorish, it doesn't seem to me to break
any of the rules governing the guard bands.

I note that they don't say on their web page that the are using 107.5
in Blenheim, and there are channels from 106.7 through 107.1 that they
haven't monopolized.

if they are reaching 20 km in stereo, I am faintly surprised. I wonder
if the regulatory guys have actually been round and measured - or just
taken their word for it because they own a tv licence anyway.
Certainly if they are broadcasting an un-locked signal or splattering,
don't delay, dob 'em in!

Mind you, you say their transmission site :

> is approx 4 km from us and they are at an altitute
> of around 50 metres however our 1 watt tx is
> barley able to get more than a
> couple of blocks without being overidden by them.

Umm, which 1 watt would that be? The regs say you can use a
transmitter (exciter) not more powerful than 500mW, and impose further
limits on the strength of signal as measured 10 m from the antenna.

So there may be interference from your side, too.

How many other stations are there in Marlborough outside this little
local monopoly? Are all the channels used up? Is there no way you can
reach a peaceful accord with these people?

It's tempting (and boy am I tempted) to argue zthat no holder of an
existing high-poiwer licence should be allowed to use LPFM. But that
way lies sudden death, because if the authorities have to police us,
we'll be gone. It works because the admin task is trivial. Most of us
behave ourselves most of the time, and nobody gets hurt.

Once they have to start digging into anything outside the purely
technical measurable stuff (is it on frequency, are there more of it
within 25km, it is of legal power) we run the risk of being more
trouble than the official world thinks we are worth.

We have some excellent people running the RSD. I found out at the most
successful meeting the other week in Auckland (oddly, not reported in
here where I could see it) that the ministry is well disposed to us
and sees us as a solution to a problem. But it was also clear that the
"guard bands" are as they are to shield land transport and avaiation
radio services from interference. That means we are poorly advised if
we push the envelope too hard on power and bandwidth.

Negotiation, friendship and good karma may work better with Mainland
tv than yelling and splattering. Part of the problem is that they do
it for a living, and you probably don't. That gives them an edge...

good luck

Philip

(life is easier in the Bay of Islands)

I think deletion is required. Seems very odd to me.

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Ross Levis" <ross@s...> wrote:
> Am I missing how this video is related to LPFM in NZ?  Perhaps it
is spam and needs deleting.
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Have you been able to contact the person creating the content for the 107.5
frequency? I'm curious to know if they were aware that they had been sold
given a frequency that someone else was already on (meaning that there would
a part of town where their signal couldn't go) and that they were not
getting value for money.  Same goes for the people on 107.3.

I totally sympathise with your situation, it's all very well to say that we
shouldn't descend into turf wars but since there is money at stake for the
other party here I can't see how they are ever going to play fair -
especially since they haven't done so to date. We should expect commerical
operators to do whatever they need to to protect their investment.

The reality is that unless you can work something out with the content
creator in this situation you're only option is to hit them where it hurts -
their pockets - which a jammed signal and a pissed off client will do.

Or you can lie down and let them walk all over you.

I'm not necessarily advocating either choice but since no one has been able
to suggest anything else I think those are you're only options

Aaron




----- Original Message -----
From: M.B & J.D Duffy <DuffyFamily@...>
To: <LPFM_Radio@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: 107.5 in Blenheim


> Hi Group I have managed to contact the owner of these transmitters. They
are
> a commercial operator from Nelson and the justification for just dumping
> transmission right on top of us is that they have spent a considerable sum
> to aquire a suitable site for broadcasting TV and radio from and it seems
> they want a return from that.
> So much so that they only are using one of the freq.s
> themselves and hire out the other transmitters and freq.s
> They also told me that they had been using 107.5 for some considerable
time.
> I'm not necsasarilly questioning their honesty here but their own web site
> lists them broadcasting on 88.1, 88.4, 88.7, 107.3 and 107.7. and we moved
> there some months back because it was free.
> I really am at my wits end.
>  It seems that in an attempt to gain revenue a commercial operator has
> walked all over a small youth group station.
> There transmission site is approx 4 km from us and they are at an altitute
> of around 50 metres however our 1 watt tx is barley able to get more than
a
> couple of blocks without being overidden by them.
> One of their stations is even achieving over20 km in stereo. Hmmm. yet
they
> insist that the RSM inspector was happy with the setup?
> It is getting harder to resist the fumes of frustration.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "philip_crookes" <philip@...>
> To: <LPFM_Radio@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:31 AM
> Subject: [LPFM] Re: 107.5 in Blenheim
>
>
> > --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "M.B & J.D Duffy"
> > <DuffyFamily@x> wrote:
> > > Right I will start off by saying that I understand that
> > > the spectrum for lpfm is shared but here in Blenheim
> > > we have the situation that a single operator (from Nelson)
> > > is taking up almost all the freq.'s and loading them
> > > up with the most appalling programming.
> >
> > Can't say anything about the programming, but if they are splattering
> > or broadcasting with inappropriate power you can dob them in to the
> > RSM guys, aho will come down on them, like a ton of bricks for
> > exceeding the tech spex if that is what they are doing.  it could be
> > the case that an LPFM station in Nelson would be using too much power
> > if it's easily heard in Blenheim, which would suggest another matter
> > from RSM to look into.
> >
> > There is no rule about broadcasting appalling programmes. My
> > brilliant entertainment may be seen by others as a load of mongoose
poop.
> >
> > But..
> >
> > there is nothing to stop a single operator, even one that lives in
> > another town,  monopolising a load of frequencies apart from the rule
> > that says there can only be two transmitters within 25 km of each
> > other carrying "substantially" the same programme.
> >
> > (though I would personally contemplate casting spells and turning
> > their megahertz into wet woolly dags to teach them a lesson).
> >
> >
> > (snip)
> >
> > > Second I'm not into blackmail but I am prepared if
> > > necessary to set up my spare TX,s to your other freq.
> > > around Blenheim and broadcast and engage in the same
> > > tactics as yourself.
> >
> > I wouldn't recommend that: this is the FM version of road rage and
> > will only end in tears and people being closed down.
> >
> > If they are over powered or off frequency, dob them in. If they're
> > not, there are eighteen LPFM channels available - find another one.
> >
> > But do nothing to suggest to listeners that there's nothing on the
> > LPFM bands but interference, because that way lies the lingering
death...
> >
> > Philip
> > Primetime Radio 1ZZ
> > the station that never splatters
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > LPFM Website: http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LPFM_Radio
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hmm, what about the 106.7 -> 107.1 frequencies?

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "M.B & J.D Duffy" <DuffyFamily@x>
wrote:
> I'm not necsasarilly questioning their honesty here but their own web
site
> lists them broadcasting on 88.1, 88.4, 88.7, 107.3 and 107.7. and we
moved
> there some months back because it was free.
> I really am at my wits end.

Hi Group I have managed to contact the owner of these transmitters. They are
a commercial operator from Nelson and the justification for just dumping
transmission right on top of us is that they have spent a considerable sum
to aquire a suitable site for broadcasting TV and radio from and it seems
they want a return from that.
So much so that they only are using one of the freq.s
themselves and hire out the other transmitters and freq.s
They also told me that they had been using 107.5 for some considerable time.
I'm not necsasarilly questioning their honesty here but their own web site
lists them broadcasting on 88.1, 88.4, 88.7, 107.3 and 107.7. and we moved
there some months back because it was free.
I really am at my wits end.
  It seems that in an attempt to gain revenue a commercial operator has
walked all over a small youth group station.
There transmission site is approx 4 km from us and they are at an altitute
of around 50 metres however our 1 watt tx is barley able to get more than a
couple of blocks without being overidden by them.
One of their stations is even achieving over20 km in stereo. Hmmm. yet they
insist that the RSM inspector was happy with the setup?
It is getting harder to resist the fumes of frustration.


----- Original Message -----
From: "philip_crookes" <philip@...>
To: <LPFM_Radio@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:31 AM
Subject: [LPFM] Re: 107.5 in Blenheim


> --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "M.B & J.D Duffy"
> <DuffyFamily@x> wrote:
> > Right I will start off by saying that I understand that
> > the spectrum for lpfm is shared but here in Blenheim
> > we have the situation that a single operator (from Nelson)
> > is taking up almost all the freq.'s and loading them
> > up with the most appalling programming.
>
> Can't say anything about the programming, but if they are splattering
> or broadcasting with inappropriate power you can dob them in to the
> RSM guys, aho will come down on them, like a ton of bricks for
> exceeding the tech spex if that is what they are doing.  it could be
> the case that an LPFM station in Nelson would be using too much power
> if it's easily heard in Blenheim, which would suggest another matter
> from RSM to look into.
>
> There is no rule about broadcasting appalling programmes. My
> brilliant entertainment may be seen by others as a load of mongoose poop.
>
> But..
>
> there is nothing to stop a single operator, even one that lives in
> another town,  monopolising a load of frequencies apart from the rule
> that says there can only be two transmitters within 25 km of each
> other carrying "substantially" the same programme.
>
> (though I would personally contemplate casting spells and turning
> their megahertz into wet woolly dags to teach them a lesson).
>
>
> (snip)
>
> > Second I'm not into blackmail but I am prepared if
> > necessary to set up my spare TX,s to your other freq.
> > around Blenheim and broadcast and engage in the same
> > tactics as yourself.
>
> I wouldn't recommend that: this is the FM version of road rage and
> will only end in tears and people being closed down.
>
> If they are over powered or off frequency, dob them in. If they're
> not, there are eighteen LPFM channels available - find another one.
>
> But do nothing to suggest to listeners that there's nothing on the
> LPFM bands but interference, because that way lies the lingering death...
>
> Philip
> Primetime Radio 1ZZ
> the station that never splatters
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> LPFM Website: http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LPFM_Radio
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

If you are using the shuffle function of winamp, you can easily place
your legal IDs once every 70 songs if you are oldies based, or 30 if
you are dance music based, and around 50 if you are pop/rock based.
This should give you one play within a 3 hour period... but read on..

> >  > I thought it was every three hours.
> > I believe it is once an hour.  RSM don't want to listen for 3
hours to
> > find out where you are.  A way of contacting you must also be
included
> > every hour, such as a phone number, website, email address, or
station
> > name in the phone book.

There are simpler ways of doing this announcement. A few tips:

• Make sweepers that have your station ID and phone number.
• Include your email address in voicebreaks.
• If you have a community noticeboard, it should be included
there.
• When reading weather, say the name of your area "in Taradale
today..." help listeners figure where your local broadcast is through
basic suggestion.

You will find that broadcasting your contact details in subtle ways
can enhance your stations programming, rather than just broadcasting
a legal requirement.

> Couldnt you just stick it in RDS and be done with it? Dont recall
reading it had
> to be a audio announcement in the regs

Thats being lazy. No. Dont ask about mushrooms on a hawaiian pizza.
Ask about the pineapple listed.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Matt Camp

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 6:14 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: planning a schedule/programs

From the GURL:

"2. Low Power FM transmitter operators, at least once every three hours,
must broadcast the contact details of the person responsible for the
transmissions."

To the LPFM Group,
I have watched with interest when  the question of programming and
scheduling arises in this forum. I feel to share with you what we have done
here at TLFM.

Firstly I believe that all operators want to run a station that is equal to,
or close to, what their big brothers are doing!  Why should we want anything
else? We spend a thousand or two on a computer, and forget that another two
or three hundred is not that much extra to get a very good operating
software to run the station equally (In my opinion)  to an professional
broadcaster .

We here at TLFM schedule possibly more programmes per week than most
operators do. We schedule 40 or more different programmes each week at
different times of the day and night. DO NOT FORGET YOUR NIGHT TIME
LISTENERS. Each city has hundreds of them.

The software that we use is capable of airing these programmes at pre
selected times of each day or night and days of the week.

How did we plan the week? I used a spread sheet. Seven columns across (For
seven days of the week) 24 rows down for a 24 hour day. Now anyone who is
contemplating running a station with a computer must do something like this
or have a hit and miss situation. (And possibly loose listeners)

I also added colour to each scheduled programme, enabling it to be seen
easier running right across the weekly and down the daily hour layout. This
also helped when considering the hour to running the programe. For example:
We have several daily programmes having the same name and running at the
same hour of the day. Re played at a chosen night hours. Being the same
colour it could be seen at a glance where they were.

Prime spots. What, and when are they?  Think carefully about this!! 10.00am
for a quarter hour programme. Why? It's morning tea time. 3.00 pm for an
afternoon programme. Afternoon tea time. 11.45 for a programme that could
interest the driver going home for lunch. 9.00 pm for a more relaxing
evening programme. 10.00 or 11.00 am for a Sunday morning devotional type
programme. (We chose 10.00 am) These can clearly be seen when viewing your
spread sheet.

Now all programmes should be re run at selected hours of the night. Why? For
the shift worker, and the can't sleepers.

Shorter spots such as ID's, adverts, or similar, are scheduled in a specific
times of the hour and day. Again for example we run a 12 mid-day 1.5 min
slot. Our ID's are scheduled in at three an hour. (If you want feed back-
hane nothing less) even then we have had callers say, I listened for ages to
find out who you were.

We load our scheduled programmes once a week. Ten ID's are loaded. These are
numbered when processing them 001, 002, 003, etc and the computer plays them
accordingly. I usually record about 50 or 60 on a Cd as OGG files for esay
loading. (By the way, the computer likes three diget numbers. something I
learned from a computer magazine)

All our main programmes are down loaded, with permission, from FTP sites and
from around the world. These are processed, volume lifted etc, to suit our
requirements, then written to CD in either MP3 or OGG format. Folders have
been made in 'Windows Explorer'

Each week the used programme is deleted, and a new one slotted in. To keep
the station running, at first we began using an MP3 player plugged into the
mixer. Now have two computers, one off air, the other on, and the loading
operstion is simple.

If you have read thiss far and have any questions I will do my best to
answer them. The software that we use is: Station Playlist Creator and
Station Playlist Stidio. I highly recommed these and more info about them
can be found by using Google and doing a search.

Thanks for reading,

Lindsay at True Light FM Radio.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ross Levis" <ross@...>
To: <LPFM_Radio@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: planning a schedule/programs


>> If you randomise the list, you get a list you can run right thru,
>> seeing whats
> next, and no repeats till it hits the end.
>
> Yes, but your listeners may get tired of 3 or 4 fast songs playing
> consecutively, when there are a lot of slow songs in the library, or
> several songs of the same genre when there is a mixture of genres, and
> there is no way to have your required station ID to play once an hour as
> per the LPFM regulations.
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> LPFM Website: http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LPFM_Radio
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

From the GURL:

"2. Low Power FM transmitter operators, at least once every three hours,
must broadcast the contact details of the person responsible for the
transmissions."


Ross Levis wrote:

> > I thought it was every three hours.
>
> I believe it is once an hour.  RSM don't want to listen for 3 hours to
> find out where you are.  A way of contacting you must also be included
> every hour, such as a phone number, website, email address, or station
> name in the phone book.
>
> Regards,
> Ross.
>
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Ross Levis wrote:
>  > I thought it was every three hours.
>
> I believe it is once an hour.  RSM don't want to listen for 3 hours to
> find out where you are.  A way of contacting you must also be included
> every hour, such as a phone number, website, email address, or station
> name in the phone book.

Couldnt you just stick it in RDS and be done with it? Dont recall reading it had
to be a audio announcement in the regs