I'm looking for any information on how to set up Internet streaming.

What do I need - do I have to buy another computer - do I need another
sound card -  do I just send it out and tell people my IP address -
are there any hidden zraps.

I'm in New Zealand, where our broadband is more fraudband, with a
monopoly telco mandating tiny down- and upload caps (the worst plan is
limited to 200 MB/month!) and slow slow upload speeds at 128 Kbit/sec.

How would I get onto Shoutcast, and does that make me subject to
strange and annoying US regulations?

What are the experiences of others?

Philip
Primetime 1ZZ
Bay of Islands

I continue to be saddened, hearing the effects of shoddy Microsoft
technology.

I've had no issues with MPEG for broadcast... ever. The 'rest' of the
stations use MPEG compression (if you refer to the big networks). Its
the procesing that lets them down.. speaking of which..

Whoever is using MBL through VAC from Direttore, dude - thats gotta
chew up some serious DSP! Would you not be better off with hardware
based processing? Im not suggesting that hardware is any better than
software (esp. these days), but MBL takes up a fair chunk of DSP.

RP

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., <rich_lists@r...> wrote:
>
> 2 lossy compressions will make it sound nothing short of terrible,
mind you,
> if its destined for FM broadcast it will fit right in with the rest
of the
> stations ;)
>   _____
>
> From: LPFM_Radio@...
[mailto:LPFM_Radio@...]
> On Behalf Of Ross Levis
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 4:06 PM
> To: StationPlaylist@yahoogroups.com; LPFM_Radio@...
> Subject: [LPFM] Re: [StationPlaylist] WMA protection
>
>
> I believe you can burn DRM protected WMA files to an audio CD.  Then
use a
> CD ripper to extract the tracks and encode as OGG or MP3.
>
> Regards,
> Ross.
>

-----Original Message-----
From: LPFM_Radio@... [mailto:LPFM_Radio@...]On Behalf Of Ross Levis
Sent: Sunday, 26 February 2006 5:39 p.m.
To: LPFM_Radio@...
Cc: stationplaylist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LPFM] Re: WMA protection

Regarding Tunebite, if it involves your soundcard then it is not digital.  To play and record the track using the soundcard means a conversion from digital to analogue during playback, and analoge to digital during recording, so the sound quality depends on the quality and SN ratio of the soundcard.

 

Burning to Audio CD and then ripping is one way around it.  I'm not sure which software can burn the DRM WMA's to CD, but apparently this is legal and common.

 

Another method is to use VAC -- Virtual Audio Cable.  This allows pure digital recording of any audio played by any player.  It is a virtual soundcard driver which appears as an output and input  sound device with it's own mixer volume controls etc.  You simply tell WMP to output to this device rather than the actual soundcard.  Then record from the recording mixer of the virtual sound device, and it creates a pure digital copy, and doesn't use your soundcard at all.  Unfortunately it costs US$43.

http://spider.nrcde.ru/music/software/eng/vac.html

 

Regards,

Ross.

----- Original Message -----

From: elw

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 4:23 PM

Subject: RE: [LPFM] WMA protection

I have had no success at all with the protection on wma files from coke tunes (and similar).  Sometimes it even crashes my radio pc looking for some sort of ‘authorisation’ for me to play the music I purchased legitimately.  As this was on the same pc I downloaded the music onto I couldn’t see why I needed authorization each time to play the track.  I tried everything including unanswered emails to coke tunes and MS before giving up and looking for another way to play the music I purchased.

 

Until they sort their sh** out, I am using Tunebite to convert the DRM track to a format which works.  Tunebite recreates the song by playing and re-recording the track digitally using media player and your soundcard.  It has worked great for me and well worth the shareware price if you are doing the right thing and paying for your music downloads and want to be able to actually listen to them.

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: LPFM_Radio@... [mailto:LPFM_Radio@...] On Behalf Of Jesse Archer
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 3:59 PM
To: stationplaylist@yahoogroups.com; lpfm_radio@...
Subject: [LPFM] WMA protection

 

Hi,

 

Anyone know anyway of removing DRM protection.

Heres the sit

 

Bunch of cds (loads) copied with protection using WMP to a pc.

Person buys new pc, cuts and pastes songs to a new pc

New pc won’t play songs due to license.

 

Anyway to say ‘copy the original’ license from the old desktop to the new pc?

 

Regards,

Jesse

 

 

 

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Good catch, Ross. I'd been looking for something to record VOIP calls
recently and hadn't found a decent solution that didn't involve a
second machine. That's going to come in handy.

Much appreciated,

Dubber

_________________________________

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Online Music Enterprise
Media and Communications
UCE Birmingham
Perry Barr
Birmingham B42 2SU

DD: (+44) 0121 331 6642
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----- Original Message -----

From: elw

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 4:23 PM

Subject: RE: [LPFM] WMA protection

I have had no success at all with the protection on wma files from coke tunes (and similar).  Sometimes it even crashes my radio pc looking for some sort of ‘authorisation’ for me to play the music I purchased legitimately.  As this was on the same pc I downloaded the music onto I couldn’t see why I needed authorization each time to play the track.  I tried everything including unanswered emails to coke tunes and MS before giving up and looking for another way to play the music I purchased.

 

Until they sort their sh** out, I am using Tunebite to convert the DRM track to a format which works.  Tunebite recreates the song by playing and re-recording the track digitally using media player and your soundcard.  It has worked great for me and well worth the shareware price if you are doing the right thing and paying for your music downloads and want to be able to actually listen to them.

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: LPFM_Radio@... [mailto:LPFM_Radio@...] On Behalf Of Jesse Archer
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 3:59 PM
To: stationplaylist@yahoogroups.com; lpfm_radio@...
Subject: [LPFM] WMA protection

 

Hi,

 

Anyone know anyway of removing DRM protection.

Heres the sit

 

Bunch of cds (loads) copied with protection using WMP to a pc.

Person buys new pc, cuts and pastes songs to a new pc

New pc won’t play songs due to license.

 

Anyway to say ‘copy the original’ license from the old desktop to the new pc?

 

Regards,

Jesse

 

 

 

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Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.0/269 - Release Date: 24/02/2006

----- Original Message -----

From: Jesse Archer

To: stationplaylist@yahoogroups.com ; lpfm_radio@...

Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 3:59 PM

Subject: [StationPlaylist] WMA protection

Hi,

 

Anyone know anyway of removing DRM protection.

Heres the sit

 

Bunch of cds (loads) copied with protection using WMP to a pc.

Person buys new pc, cuts and pastes songs to a new pc

New pc won’t play songs due to license.

 

Anyway to say ‘copy the original’ license from the old desktop to the new pc?

 

Regards,

Jesse

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Hi Graham,

Here goes:


Kerikeri

KCR - Keri Country Radio
88.4 FM, repeater at Skudder's Beach 106.7 FM
Easy listening & Country Music
Malcolm Hay
Hone Heke Road
Kerikeri
On air since 2001
Tel +64 9 407 1549

Primetime Radio 1ZZ
107.7 FM, repeater at Ohaeawai / Waimate North 88.1 FM
0600 - 1900: Classic hits of the past 100 years, features, comedy &
serials
1900 - 0600: Blues in the night & all that jazz
World news on the hour, local news 1205, 1305,1705 & 1805 weekdays.
Philip Crookes
Showground Road
Waimate Horth
On air since May 2005
Tel: +64 9 405 9209
Fax: +64 9 353 1433
Mobile: +64 21 050 4321
P.O. Box 620, Kerikeri.

That's all I know of so far round here.

If I click on "Bay of Islands" on the map, it takes me to the top of
the list, which seems to start with Napier.

Would it be better to re-arrange the list either in strict
alphabetical order by town, or in weather office order running North
to South - recognised by all Kiwis but impenetrable to anyone else
outside the country?

Can I suggest the list is pruned a bit of all the dead wood -if
something stopped broadcasting in 2003 it's probably only of marginal
historical interest now...

Perhaps a separate section like the amateur radio guys' "Silent Key"
listings

We are a transient medium.

Philip
Primetime 1ZZ
Bay of Islands

Hi All

 

Can you please check the listings in your area,

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9885/micronz.html

Over half of us on this list are from New Zealand and Australia, so I think
this appeal falls pretty much on deaf ears to our group.


On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:08, AnnetteMartini.US wrote:
> To the Moderator,
>
> Please support us by getting our story out to show
> what happens when people fight for freedom.

Cheers Geoff Barkman 	 ZL4TUX
--

To the Moderator,

Please support us by getting our story out to show
what happens when people fight for freedom.

Boycott Skater Tanith Belbin in Torino Olympics,Italy
for jumping ahead of us and millions more for her US
Citizenship. Political Interference was done on the
part of President Bush and US Congress giving Tanith
Belbin her US Citizenship so she can go to the Olympics
in Torino, Italy and compete.

Political Interference is NOT allowed in the Olympics!!!

The US Government told us that we are not their
Jurisdiction BUT they made Tanith Belbin their
Jurisdiction by giving her US Citizenship just so she can
skate and Compete at the Torino Olympics in Torino, Italy.
Political Interference in the Olympics is WRONG!!!
This is not acceptable!!!

As you well know, the Skater Ms Tanith Belbin had a Special
Law passed just for her and that has extremely upset me
since she is still a Canadian which therefore gives her
Dual Citizenship.

I Annette Martini and my husband Anthony Martini have been
fighting for Freedom and our American Citizenship here in
the USA. We have no country having given up our citizenship
where we came from. We have been fighting to get our US
Citizenship with an International Security System to offer
the US Government that would of protected the American People
for 4 years now but instead they ignored my husband Anthony.

We sent many Faxes to the US Government, Congress, White
House and they say we are not their Jurisdiction but Tanith
Belbin was and so were the people who were made homeless
because of Hurricane Katrina and the Tsunami in Thailand
BUT my husband Anthony and I are Not their Jurisdiction.
We know that is not true!!

Yes, my husband has extraordinary ability to offer the US
Government but instead they decided to Politically Interfere
in the Olympics by giving Tanith Belbin her US Citizenship
so she can skate and compete in the Torino Olympics saying
she had extraordinary ability.

Congress and President Bush Politically interfered in the
Olympics so they could send Tanith Belbin to the Olympics.

Please go to our site at:  http://www.annettemartini.us
to read a recent FAX we sent to Congress about what we
thought about this Special Law passed for Ms Tanith Belbin.

Also read the rest of what you have just read above on our
site which is what we sent around the world and also to
some members of the Olympic Committee.

Read our comments below that are on our site in the same
area.

Political Interference is against Olympic Rules!!! This is
wrong!!!

Tanith Belbin got her US Citizenship so she can compete
at the Torino Olympics in Torino, Italy passing in front
of us and millions of others who have been waiting for
years and are still waiting.

If there had not been the Torino Olympics in Italy then
Tanith Belbin would of had to wait for her US Citizenship
just like every one else!


Annette Martini

Hi!

the ABC I meant is ABC Australia. I note that Disney has just merged
its ABC Radio division into Citadel - leaving none of the original US
radio networks in original ownership or even linked to the tv networks
of the same names.

They offer free rebroadcast rights to their radio news services on
signature of an agreement.

Quality ranges from world-class excellent to faintly amateurish,
depending on time of day and on-air voice.

There's also Deutsche Welle Radio, with hourly bulletins of
Eurocentric world news, often illuminated by correspondent reports you
won't hear anywhere else. Some of the voices could do with breathing
lessons. Their English language tv sounds much more professional
(biased statement disclaimer - I used to work there) but I don't think
it's licensed for radio.

BBC seems less interested than they used to be in getting
rebroadcasts, and suggested to me that I would need to buy a $1500
satellite receiver and pay another $250/year licence fee to carry
their material. Well, thanks, guys.

I haven't looked at all the others out there - perhaps that would be a
useful task one of these days soon, ahead of next month's launch of
Primetime News for NZ LPFMs.


Philip



--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Herb" <JustHerb@n...> wrote:
>
> So, when you say ABC, are you meaning ABC Australia or ABC US? Sorry,
> just trying to make a clarification...
>
> Cheers,
> Herb.
>
> --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "philip_crookes" <philip@c...>
> wrote:
> >
> > My problem with TRN, or any other Kiwi network's news, is that while
> > it's on my air my station  sounds exactly like them. Listeners tuning
> > around will think they've found just another network outlet, and for
> > the duration of the network news relay we lose our identity. And
> > listeners looking for my station will think they haven't found it and
> > possibly tune out.
> >
> > That's less of a problem if we take FSN, DW or ABC but only because
> > it's not a sound as familiar to listeners as the network news.
> >
> > >
> > > I like FSN – only air the 30 seconds each hour to keep
> > > it light. Then our > own top of hour stuff plays
> > > (1 minute spots) and then we are back in.
> > >
> > > We are trialling FSN, seeing how it works at the
> > > moment with our programme.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Newscast
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 00:00: FSN Headlines
> > >
> > > 00:30: National News
> > >
> > > 02:00: Sport
> > >
> > > 02:30: End
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Philip if you could produce like this –
> > > with no affliation to other networks
> > > (like TRNs) you could then insert this
> > > in your own broadcast (adding your
> > > local ids at the start / end but
> > > providing the format above to stations).
> > >
> > So you're looking for 90 seconds of national news and 30 seconds of
> sport?
> >
> > That would be pretty simple to do, and could be offered like the FSN
> > material, in alternative lengths so stations wanting something longer
> > would just stay in there after the opt-out announcement. Back when I
> > stareted doing this for real at Macquarie, we used to haver station
> > gongs - but these days we could easily add a low-frequency 20 Hz pulse
> > that your automation software should be able to detect to return to
> > local programming.
> >
> > >
> > > Would like
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 6am Update – Airs 6am, 7am, 8am, 10am, 11am,
> > >
> > > 12pm Update – Airs 12pm, 1pm, 2pm, 3pm, 4pm,
> > >
> > > 5pm Update – Airs 5pm, 6pm, 7pm, 8pm, 9pm
> > >
> > 6am is a potential problem in that someone would have to be up at 0500
> > to get it ready. That's frankly unlikely for the sort of money this is
> > likely to produce in the early stages, although if anyone here wants
> > to do a newsroom internship in the beautiful Bay of Islands I'd love
> > to hear from them. Own wheels essential!
> >
> > What might work would be to provide a fresh update at midnight for
> > broadcast at 0600 and 0700, and offer live coverage when major events
> > are happening (big sport events abroad, political crises, natural
> > disasters).
> >
> > Are you live or automated before 0800?
> > >
> > > Maybe when the nationally produced feed is unavailable –
> > > just air the updates from FSN (headlines for myself).
> > >
> > >
> > > For a national feed like this I would be willing to pay
> > > say up to  $100 /
> > > month – paid for by a sponsor.
> >
> > That's fine - though I'd want stations to handle their sponsor credits
> > themselves, unless we could get a national sponsor to cover the whole
> > operation and allow us to offer it free or for a few bucks to
stations.
> >
> >
> > > FSN's US $15 is VERY reasonable.
> >
> > I agree. That's because they already have such a large base of users
> > so their costs are covered. This could happen here but it will take a
> > while to get it going, and we suffer as ever from being small.
> >
> > But if we could get 50 of the country's estimated 400 LPFM stations on
> > board, we could really go to town on it, plus offer professionaol
> > training for reporters.
> >
> > I guess my biggest problem is that I know a fair bit about news and
> > news writing, but bugger all about salesmanship.
> >
> > I'm moving to the idea of running a trial from the end of February
> > thru to May, to see what stations are interested and what they'll pay,
> > and what I can physically deliver from here.
> >
> >
> > Philip
> > Primetime Radio 1ZZ
> > Bay of Islands
> >
>

So, when you say ABC, are you meaning ABC Australia or ABC US? Sorry,
just trying to make a clarification...

Cheers,
Herb.

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "philip_crookes" <philip@c...>
wrote:
>
> My problem with TRN, or any other Kiwi network's news, is that while
> it's on my air my station  sounds exactly like them. Listeners tuning
> around will think they've found just another network outlet, and for
> the duration of the network news relay we lose our identity. And
> listeners looking for my station will think they haven't found it and
> possibly tune out.
>
> That's less of a problem if we take FSN, DW or ABC but only because
> it's not a sound as familiar to listeners as the network news.
>
> >
> > I like FSN – only air the 30 seconds each hour to keep
> > it light. Then our > own top of hour stuff plays
> > (1 minute spots) and then we are back in.
> >
> > We are trialling FSN, seeing how it works at the
> > moment with our programme.
> >
> >
> >
> > Newscast
> >
> >
> >
> > 00:00: FSN Headlines
> >
> > 00:30: National News
> >
> > 02:00: Sport
> >
> > 02:30: End
> >
> >
> >
> > Philip if you could produce like this –
> > with no affliation to other networks
> > (like TRNs) you could then insert this
> > in your own broadcast (adding your
> > local ids at the start / end but
> > providing the format above to stations).
> >
> So you're looking for 90 seconds of national news and 30 seconds of
sport?
>
> That would be pretty simple to do, and could be offered like the FSN
> material, in alternative lengths so stations wanting something longer
> would just stay in there after the opt-out announcement. Back when I
> stareted doing this for real at Macquarie, we used to haver station
> gongs - but these days we could easily add a low-frequency 20 Hz pulse
> that your automation software should be able to detect to return to
> local programming.
>
> >
> > Would like
> >
> >
> >
> > 6am Update – Airs 6am, 7am, 8am, 10am, 11am,
> >
> > 12pm Update – Airs 12pm, 1pm, 2pm, 3pm, 4pm,
> >
> > 5pm Update – Airs 5pm, 6pm, 7pm, 8pm, 9pm
> >
> 6am is a potential problem in that someone would have to be up at 0500
> to get it ready. That's frankly unlikely for the sort of money this is
> likely to produce in the early stages, although if anyone here wants
> to do a newsroom internship in the beautiful Bay of Islands I'd love
> to hear from them. Own wheels essential!
>
> What might work would be to provide a fresh update at midnight for
> broadcast at 0600 and 0700, and offer live coverage when major events
> are happening (big sport events abroad, political crises, natural
> disasters).
>
> Are you live or automated before 0800?
> >
> > Maybe when the nationally produced feed is unavailable –
> > just air the updates from FSN (headlines for myself).
> >
> >
> > For a national feed like this I would be willing to pay
> > say up to  $100 /
> > month – paid for by a sponsor.
>
> That's fine - though I'd want stations to handle their sponsor credits
> themselves, unless we could get a national sponsor to cover the whole
> operation and allow us to offer it free or for a few bucks to stations.
>
>
> > FSN's US $15 is VERY reasonable.
>
> I agree. That's because they already have such a large base of users
> so their costs are covered. This could happen here but it will take a
> while to get it going, and we suffer as ever from being small.
>
> But if we could get 50 of the country's estimated 400 LPFM stations on
> board, we could really go to town on it, plus offer professionaol
> training for reporters.
>
> I guess my biggest problem is that I know a fair bit about news and
> news writing, but bugger all about salesmanship.
>
> I'm moving to the idea of running a trial from the end of February
> thru to May, to see what stations are interested and what they'll pay,
> and what I can physically deliver from here.
>
>
> Philip
> Primetime Radio 1ZZ
> Bay of Islands
>

Has anyone thought about going to the Radio Schools and seeing what
they can do?

I will mention this to John at KFM.
The only location of 3ABN I am aware of is the Papakura site.

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., Michael and Ross
<alnairgrus@y...> wrote:
>
> OK  Richard...If I move the aerial around I can get both signals on
107.1 but just about all radios the splash from KFM affects 106.7 and
107.1 quite badly and is like that in Papatoetoe,Manurewa,Mangere and
starts about TipTop corner going south except where theres a local on
106.7 or 107.1 and it can be heard.(it sounds more like the volume is
as loud as can be rather than the range)
>   It would be expected close to the transmitter but "all" of South
Auckland,I have to tune to 107.15,106.65 or if no 50kHz spacing even
107.2,106.6 should I wish to hear that for example and can hear it
bleeding to unlistenable levels under the local even within 1km.
>
>   I can get 88.3 Mountainside reasonably in South Auckland on the
car radio and Retro Hits on 88.1 has a clean splatter free signal so
no interference.Also I have been in the city UPFM 107.5 doesnt
splatter like KFM.
>
>   As for 3ABN I could hear it clear enough in central Papatoetoe to
wipe out both the local 107.1 signal there and it even wiped GOFM.
>   It maybe the Penrose one as its too far from Papakura.
>
>   Michael

Um, Michael, what are you asking here?

Go FM 107.1 reaches south Auckland, but you hear 3 Angels on 107.1
also?? Do you have a souped up reciever or something? Where are you
located?

If its height you are questioning, KFM 106.9 and Retro Hit Radio
88.1 are both off Manukau Heights. GoFM 107.1 is also at a high
altitude from Titirangi. If you know anything about the geography of
South Auckland & the Manukau Harbour (a basin), the height of each
explains the coverage on each of these stations.

clarify....

Um, Michael, what are you asking here?

Go FM 107.1 reaches south Auckland, but you hear 3 Angels on 107.1
also?? Do you have a souped up reciever or something? Where are you
located?

If its height you are questioning, KFM 106.9 and Retro Hit Radio
88.1 are both off Manukau Heights. GoFM 107.1 is also at a high
altitude from Titirangi. If you know anything about the geography of
South Auckland & the Manukau Harbour (a basin), the height of each
explains the coverage on each of these stations.

clarify....

RP

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., Michael and Ross
<alnairgrus@y...> wrote:
>
>
> How many transmitters do 3 Angels broadcasting have on 107.1?
Theres Papakura,and south of the bombays,also Onehunga area,now can
hear them in Papatoetoe.Let alone the bandwidth of KFM over the
entire South Auckland and GO FM gets into most of South Auckland and
says they cover Titirangi/Blockhouse bay etc but its another story.
>
>
>   Michael
>
>
> Michael&Ross
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
>  With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail.
>

My problem with TRN, or any other Kiwi network's news, is that while
it's on my air my station  sounds exactly like them. Listeners tuning
around will think they've found just another network outlet, and for
the duration of the network news relay we lose our identity. And
listeners looking for my station will think they haven't found it and
possibly tune out.

That's less of a problem if we take FSN, DW or ABC but only because
it's not a sound as familiar to listeners as the network news.

>
> I like FSN – only air the 30 seconds each hour to keep
> it light. Then our > own top of hour stuff plays
> (1 minute spots) and then we are back in.
>
> We are trialling FSN, seeing how it works at the
> moment with our programme.
>
>
>
> Newscast
>
>
>
> 00:00: FSN Headlines
>
> 00:30: National News
>
> 02:00: Sport
>
> 02:30: End
>
>
>
> Philip if you could produce like this –
> with no affliation to other networks
> (like TRNs) you could then insert this
> in your own broadcast (adding your
> local ids at the start / end but
> providing the format above to stations).
>
So you're looking for 90 seconds of national news and 30 seconds of sport?

That would be pretty simple to do, and could be offered like the FSN
material, in alternative lengths so stations wanting something longer
would just stay in there after the opt-out announcement. Back when I
stareted doing this for real at Macquarie, we used to haver station
gongs - but these days we could easily add a low-frequency 20 Hz pulse
that your automation software should be able to detect to return to
local programming.

>
> Would like
>
>
>
> 6am Update – Airs 6am, 7am, 8am, 10am, 11am,
>
> 12pm Update – Airs 12pm, 1pm, 2pm, 3pm, 4pm,
>
> 5pm Update – Airs 5pm, 6pm, 7pm, 8pm, 9pm
>
6am is a potential problem in that someone would have to be up at 0500
to get it ready. That's frankly unlikely for the sort of money this is
likely to produce in the early stages, although if anyone here wants
to do a newsroom internship in the beautiful Bay of Islands I'd love
to hear from them. Own wheels essential!

What might work would be to provide a fresh update at midnight for
broadcast at 0600 and 0700, and offer live coverage when major events
are happening (big sport events abroad, political crises, natural
disasters).

Are you live or automated before 0800?
>
> Maybe when the nationally produced feed is unavailable –
> just air the updates from FSN (headlines for myself).
>
>
> For a national feed like this I would be willing to pay
> say up to  $100 /
> month – paid for by a sponsor.

That's fine - though I'd want stations to handle their sponsor credits
themselves, unless we could get a national sponsor to cover the whole
operation and allow us to offer it free or for a few bucks to stations.


> FSN's US $15 is VERY reasonable.

I agree. That's because they already have such a large base of users
so their costs are covered. This could happen here but it will take a
while to get it going, and we suffer as ever from being small.

But if we could get 50 of the country's estimated 400 LPFM stations on
board, we could really go to town on it, plus offer professionaol
training for reporters.

I guess my biggest problem is that I know a fair bit about news and
news writing, but bugger all about salesmanship.

I'm moving to the idea of running a trial from the end of February
thru to May, to see what stations are interested and what they'll pay,
and what I can physically deliver from here.


Philip
Primetime Radio 1ZZ
Bay of Islands

Just trying to gauge the requirements for an Independent Radio News
service. I represent Australian Independent Radio News and we are
looking into the option of providing a radio news service specifically
for the NZ market using our NZ news readers.

It would be delivered by FTP in the same manner we produce our
Australian news service.

www.air-news.net

Take a look and tell me what you 1/ need 2/ would be willing to pay
for a high quality service.

Regards

Artie
Australian Independent Radio News

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--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Richard Phelps"
<richard.phelps@g...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jesse, everyone,
>
> It'd be interesting to see what price TRN come back at. I'd certainly
> be interested in their FTP access. I'd prefer their news service as
> they have less sponsored segments than radioworks, and experienced
> newsreaders.
>
> I dont know about anyone else here, but my LPFM is a music based
> community format, and lengthy 5 minute bulletins would just kill it.
> Im only looking for a bulletin around 2:45 in length, covering around
> 3-4 news stories and a sports summary, 7,8,9am in breakfast and 5+6pm
> weekdays.
>
> I guess it can only help if others can submit their ideas of what kind
> of news service they'd actually like, and use. Im being realistic of
> my type of station, which I may be alone in, or others may feel the
same.
>
> It'd be great if we got this off the ground :)
> FSN is abysmal.

I reckon two minutes, five stories. Sports summary - you're limited to
reults of national teams. Do we do WRC? Racing? IronMan?

FSN is OK for what it offers at low cost - though we can have ABC and
Duetsche Welle radio for nothing. ABC sounds OK if largely irrelevant
to our listeners, but neither FSN nor DWE is particularly well voiced.

You have 20 seco9nds to say what you think.

The big problem is to produce three separate bulletins at breakfast -
who is going to be up at 0600 to do the 0700, and what are you willing
to pay for it?

I could easily give you three separate, professinslx voicve,
differentiated bulletins in the morning, plus 30 second headlines on
the half hours.

But if I have to be up at 0600 to prepare them, I expect to be paid
$50 an hour, and I'll need to have an assistant to fill in when I'm
not here or we need to make some phone calls, plus we need to pay for
out somuters & phone lines. . So you're looking at a morning  mewsroom
cost of around $100/day.

Who will pay?

Philip

Hi Jesse, everyone,

It'd be interesting to see what price TRN come back at. I'd certainly
be interested in their FTP access. I'd prefer their news service as
they have less sponsored segments than radioworks, and experienced
newsreaders.

I dont know about anyone else here, but my LPFM is a music based
community format, and lengthy 5 minute bulletins would just kill it.
Im only looking for a bulletin around 2:45 in length, covering around
3-4 news stories and a sports summary, 7,8,9am in breakfast and 5+6pm
weekdays.

I guess it can only help if others can submit their ideas of what kind
of news service they'd actually like, and use. Im being realistic of
my type of station, which I may be alone in, or others may feel the same.

It'd be great if we got this off the ground :)
FSN is abysmal.

RP.

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Jesse Archer"
<jesse.archer@x...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone again,
>
> Maybe someone would like to operate a Mon – Fri nz based news service…
> Voicing say FSN (lpfmnews.net) and also getting permission from say
> radioworx to use articles from (news.talkback.co.nz ) and compile it all
> into won.
>
> The charge say $50 - $100 / month to the LPFM station, say 20% goes
to FSN,
> 30% goes to radioworx and 50% hit's you.
>
> Most lpfm on this board would probably pick it up.
>
> Unfortunately I am not volunteering as I run an automated format and
only
> work in our studio Friday nights.
>
> As my previous post stated, I am considering TRN's independent news
service
> (same news you hear on 1XX, the Rhema station Lifefm etc etc).

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Jesse Archer"
<jesse.archer@x...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone again,
>
>
>
> Maybe someone would like to operate a Mon – Fri nz based news service…
> Voicing say FSN (lpfmnews.net) and also getting permission from say
> radioworx to use articles from (news.talkback.co.nz ) and compile it all
> into won.
>
>
>
> The charge say $50 - $100 / month to the LPFM station, say 20% goes
to FSN,
> 30% goes to radioworx and 50% hit's you.


I could well see doing that from here. I'd like to start out offering
two NZ national bulletins a day, timed for 0800 and 1700, repeatable
up to four hours later.

The NZ news content would be prepared here in the Bay of Islands by a
professional journalist with National Radio, 2GB Macquarie & BBC
experience, drawing on available resources including Scoop.co.nz and
other material collected here at Primetime 1ZZ.

Our reporting of NZ news would not require any payments to be made to
other NZ  broadcasters.  But that means that at this stage it's
unlikely that we could include any soundbites in our NZ news
bulletins, unless they came from Scoop or one of the subscribing stations.

I'd be happy to import and package FSN for both sessions, but I'd need
to clear the money arrangements with them, and I would be looking for
a small revenue stream to cover my costs of preparation and hosting.

I'd want to offer it as a file for download available no later than 15
minutes ahead of broadcast time.

FSN identifies itself at both ends of its bulletins and we can't alter
that. My station is called Primetime 1ZZ, and I usually intro our
local news as Primetime Newstime. The production brand is Double Z
Productions. Would operators have a problem with either (but not both)
of these attributions appearing in a bulletin? I also have an
agreement with Scoop to use their material, so long as I include the
credit "This bulletin was prepared in cooperation with Scoop.co.nz".


The suggested layout is:
15 seconds before the hour: sponsor announcement from local station.
hh.00 Voice intro: This is Primetime News. The World Report from FSN
h3.02 Voice: Primetime National News is next
h3.03Commercial break
h3.15 Primetime New Zealand News
h5.15 Closing sponsor announcement

This bulletin could run at 0800 or 0900, and the second edition could
run at 1700 or 1800. Of course stations couold add their own locally
generated material at the end if they liked.

Money. I'd need to charge around $30 / month for the international
content and another $40 for the NZ bulletins and voicing. That's two
professionally voiced bulletins of five or seven minutes a day, five
days a week.

Weekends we would need to think about and money would be a factor.

If enough people are interested, I could grow the offer to three
outings a day (0800, 1200 and 1700) but that might cost another
$20/month.

If I can get five stations to subscribe at $70 for a month, I'll start
on 1 February.

Over to you.

Philip
philip@...

Primetime Radio 1ZZ
in the Bay of Islands

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I use FSN news (see http://www.lpfmnews.net). Although it is only
world-news service and lacks local news coverage.

Still the listeners enjoy it and it is kept up to date (4 hourly
intervals I believe).

- Mike.


--- In LPFM_Radio@..., Mix FM <mixfm@c...> wrote:
>
> I know that you can subscribe to IRN news for $400 a month.  I'd
be
> surprised if the commercial station's contract with their news
provider
> allowed them to 'sub-lease'.
>
>
>
> bay107fm wrote:
> > I have heard one LPFM station take a feed from one of the
commercial
> > stations hourly for news and sport.
> >
> > Does anyone have any background on which networks are prepared
to do
> > this and what it costs?
> >
> > Any help much appreciated.
> >
> > John - BayFM
>