nri3 wrote:
> --- Edwin Hermann <edwin.h@...> wrote:
>
> > Herb - I just checked and indeed Windows Media
> > player cannot yet play
> > AAC (MPEG-4) files. How backward! Especially given
> > that MPEG-4 is an
> > ISO standard.
>
> (As winamp has been licenced by Orban to use AAC+ in
> it's players and streams)
I'm referring to AAC, not AAC+.
> > But yes, granted, even having to download the 1.2 Mb
> > winamp installer is
> > not attractive to users.
>
> Why isn't it attractive to dowload,there are so many
> variations on offer?
Because - and this is what Herb was getting at I think - users don't
want to download anything extra. If they click on your stream and it
doesn't play, they'll move on and find something else.
Therefore, it's better to stream in a format that most people can
already play without having to download anything extra. MP3 would be
the clear winner, but WMA would cover almost all the Windows-based users.
G'day,
it's not that hard to do,especially using winamp
source etc.
I stream through live365 and also shoutcast through
servers with Hard drives,so if i can help to guide you
on price etc,please give me a hoi!
73
Tim
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--- nri3 <nri3@...> wrote:
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> --- Edwin Hermann <edwin.h@...> wrote:
>
> > Herb - I just checked and indeed Windows Media
> > player cannot yet play
> > AAC (MPEG-4) files. How backward! Especially
> given
> > that MPEG-4 is an
> > ISO standard.
>
> (As winamp has been licenced by Orban to use AAC+ in
> it's players and streams)
>
> > Regardless, I should correct you on your
> assumption
> > of listeners having
> > to download Quicktime. QuickTime Broadcaster is
> > only the *broadcaster*
> > software. You don't need QuickTime Player to
> listen
> > to an AAC-encoded
> > audio stream. Winamp can play AAC streams.
> >
> > But yes, granted, even having to download the 1.2
> Mb
> > winamp installer is
> > not attractive to users.
>
> Why isn't it attractive to dowload,there are so many
> variations on offer?
>
> 73
> Tim
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Your missing the IP header overhead which will vary as a %age based on the audio packet size, and since shoutcast is stupid and uses TCP, there is a whole lot of ACKs coming back the other way
From: LPFM_Radio@... [mailto:LPFM_Radio@...] On Behalf Of Edwin Hermann Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:22 PM To: LPFM_Radio@... Subject: Re: [LPFM] Advice on setting up audio stream
Ross Levis wrote: > I think your figures are way on the low side Edwin. I'm streaming at > 28kb/s and it uses about 13GB a month upload traffic.
They were purely theoretical, but someone might be able to point out where I've made a mistake. I calculated as follows:
96 kbits is equivalent to 12 kb. 12 kb per second = 720 kb per minute. 720 kb per minute = 43200 kb per hour. 43200 kby is equivalent to 42.19 Mb. 42.19 Mb per hour = 1013 Mb per day. 1013 Mb per day = 30380 Mby per month (based on 30 days). 30380 Mb is equivalent to 29.7 Gb.
--- Edwin Hermann <edwin.h@...> wrote:
> Herb - I just checked and indeed Windows Media
> player cannot yet play
> AAC (MPEG-4) files. How backward! Especially given
> that MPEG-4 is an
> ISO standard.
(As winamp has been licenced by Orban to use AAC+ in
it's players and streams)
> Regardless, I should correct you on your assumption
> of listeners having
> to download Quicktime. QuickTime Broadcaster is
> only the *broadcaster*
> software. You don't need QuickTime Player to listen
> to an AAC-encoded
> audio stream. Winamp can play AAC streams.
>
> But yes, granted, even having to download the 1.2 Mb
> winamp installer is
> not attractive to users.
Why isn't it attractive to dowload,there are so many
variations on offer?
73
Tim
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Ross Levis wrote:
> I think your figures are way on the low side Edwin. I'm streaming at
> 28kb/s and it uses about 13GB a month upload traffic.
They were purely theoretical, but someone might be able to point out
where I've made a mistake. I calculated as follows:
96 kbits is equivalent to 12 kb.
12 kb per second = 720 kb per minute.
720 kb per minute = 43200 kb per hour.
43200 kby is equivalent to 42.19 Mb.
42.19 Mb per hour = 1013 Mb per day.
1013 Mb per day = 30380 Mby per month (based on 30 days).
30380 Mb is equivalent to 29.7 Gb.
If anyone cares :-)
Herb wrote:
> The other thing to consider is your audience. Most don't want to have
> the hassle of downloading yet another player just to listen to your
> stream. Bear in mind that approx 85% of all computer users use
> Windows-based software. Most (if not all) already have the Windows
> Media Player pre-installed. Why inconvience them by making them
> download more software?
> BTW, often you have to download more than you need. Quicktime is a
> case in point. You may only want the player, but you're also forced to
> take iTunes too... a 31mb file! Anything but 'quicktime' download! lol.
Herb - I just checked and indeed Windows Media player cannot yet play
AAC (MPEG-4) files. How backward! Especially given that MPEG-4 is an
ISO standard.
Regardless, I should correct you on your assumption of listeners having
to download Quicktime. QuickTime Broadcaster is only the *broadcaster*
software. You don't need QuickTime Player to listen to an AAC-encoded
audio stream. Winamp can play AAC streams.
But yes, granted, even having to download the 1.2 Mb winamp installer is
not attractive to users.
Subject: Re: [LPFM] Advice on setting up audio stream
I think your figures are way on the low side Edwin. I'm streaming at 28kb/s and it uses about 13GB a month upload traffic.
And note that Nullsoft added support for encoding AAC+ streams in the Shoutcast DSP encoder Sepember last year.
There is nothing that comes close in sound quality. Even 32kb/s stereo is very pleasant to listen to, much better than WMA or MP3Pro, and could be confused with a CD playing if you didn't know otherwise.
Here is Virgin Radio (Live in London). A 32kb/s stream.
I think your figures are way on the low side Edwin. I'm streaming at 28kb/s and it uses about 13GB a month upload traffic.
And note that Nullsoft added support for encoding AAC+ streams in the Shoutcast DSP encoder Sepember last year.
There is nothing that comes close in sound quality. Even 32kb/s stereo is very pleasant to listen to, much better than WMA or MP3Pro, and could be confused with a CD playing if you didn't know otherwise.
Here is Virgin Radio (Live in London). A 32kb/s stream.
Or there's ShoutCast (see www.shoutcast.com), another free product delivering MP3 for your audio.
Those solutions should make your stream more accessible than a closed Windows Media solution.
Of course the main problem will be bandwidth and data caps, which is why it's probably better to have a single stream up to a provider's server who then have the capacity to on-stream to many listeners, albeit at a price! You will get better 'mileage' from QuickTime broadcaster than you would with Shoutcast because AAC has a lower filesize-to-quality ratio than MP3.
Let's say you had a 96kbps stream. One listener continuously connected will chew through 30 Gb of data per month. Two listeners and it's 60 Gb per month. The good news is that if you had a 256k upstream broadband plan then that's all you could support as the third listener would saturate your connection and max it out at 80 Gb per month.
That's a lot of data and a lot of money!!
I suppose you could argue that there may be times when no-one would be connected but the problem is you can't really control that. You'd have to monitor your usage and go "off air" if you find you're going through too much bandwidth. Or, limit the number of connections to 1 or 2.
While self-streaming is doable, the more you look at it the more attractive a hosted solution looks.
Edwin.
Herb wrote: > You could download Windows Media Encoder for free from the microsoft > website and stream straight from your pc. I have a mate whose > preparing for an LPFM launch and is currently testing it. > > The good thing about the media encoder is that it's small in file > size, operates using Windows Media Player (which all Windows-based > PC's have preloaded), can be configured how you like, you can also > provide a dial-up and hi-speed option as well. Oh, and did I mention > it's FREE? > > So, the only costs associated are the ISP charges. My mate is > fortunate to have a TCL (TelstraClear) residential cable connection > (2meg up/down 10G $50p/m). Remember, if you are streaming and have no > one listening, there is no traffic so no usage. The only usage will be > when someone is listening. > > The downside to the media encoder is that you can't limit how many can > be on at once. This isn't so bad because your ISP upload limit should > kick in to take care of that. > > Worth a look! Hope that helps. > > Cheers, > Herb. >
What it boils down to is this..
The amount of listeners you have on-line at any one time, and over a
monthly period.
This is LPFM where our listenership isn't that of the major metro
stations, so perhaps we shouldn't expect mass on-line audiences
either. I reckon most LPFM listeners would be quite happy listening to
a 32kbps stream, they'd just be happy to access you on-line!
IMHO this makes self-streaming an attractive alternative to the
LPFMer. The media encoder also shows the ip addresses of those
currently on-line and logs them. This is helpful because you can then
easily see how popular your stream is and then (when the time is
right) look to 'push' to another server for mass distribution. Start
small & build up, not the other way around.
The other thing to consider is your audience. Most don't want to have
the hassle of downloading yet another player just to listen to your
stream. Bear in mind that approx 85% of all computer users use
Windows-based software. Most (if not all) already have the Windows
Media Player pre-installed. Why inconvience them by making them
download more software?
BTW, often you have to download more than you need. Quicktime is a
case in point. You may only want the player, but you're also forced to
take iTunes too... a 31mb file! Anything but 'quicktime' download! lol.
Cheers,
Herb.
--- In LPFM_Radio@..., Edwin Hermann <edwin.h@c...> wrote:
>
> Another open-standards alternative would be QuickTime Broadcaster -
also
> free (see http://www.apple.com/quicktime/broadcaster/) which uses AAC
> for audio.
>
> Or there's ShoutCast (see www.shoutcast.com), another free product
> delivering MP3 for your audio.
>
> Those solutions should make your stream more accessible than a closed
> Windows Media solution.
>
> Of course the main problem will be bandwidth and data caps, which is
why
> it's probably better to have a single stream up to a provider's server
> who then have the capacity to on-stream to many listeners, albeit at a
> price! You will get better 'mileage' from QuickTime broadcaster than
> you would with Shoutcast because AAC has a lower filesize-to-quality
> ratio than MP3.
>
> Let's say you had a 96kbps stream. One listener continuously connected
> will chew through 30 Gb of data per month. Two listeners and it's
60 Gb
> per month. The good news is that if you had a 256k upstream broadband
> plan then that's all you could support as the third listener would
> saturate your connection and max it out at 80 Gb per month.
>
> That's a lot of data and a lot of money!!
>
> I suppose you could argue that there may be times when no-one would be
> connected but the problem is you can't really control that. You'd have
> to monitor your usage and go "off air" if you find you're going through
> too much bandwidth. Or, limit the number of connections to 1 or 2.
>
> While self-streaming is doable, the more you look at it the more
> attractive a hosted solution looks.
>
> Edwin.
>
>
>
>
> Herb wrote:
> > You could download Windows Media Encoder for free from the microsoft
> > website and stream straight from your pc. I have a mate whose
> > preparing for an LPFM launch and is currently testing it.
> >
> > The good thing about the media encoder is that it's small in file
> > size, operates using Windows Media Player (which all Windows-based
> > PC's have preloaded), can be configured how you like, you can also
> > provide a dial-up and hi-speed option as well. Oh, and did I mention
> > it's FREE?
> >
> > So, the only costs associated are the ISP charges. My mate is
> > fortunate to have a TCL (TelstraClear) residential cable connection
> > (2meg up/down 10G $50p/m). Remember, if you are streaming and have no
> > one listening, there is no traffic so no usage. The only usage will be
> > when someone is listening.
> >
> > The downside to the media encoder is that you can't limit how many can
> > be on at once. This isn't so bad because your ISP upload limit should
> > kick in to take care of that.
> >
> > Worth a look! Hope that helps.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Herb.
> >
>
Forget streaming from your own PC. 10 gigs a month allows for 1 listener at 24kb/s. You probably have slightly higher figures than that in mind!
DSL and similar wireless plans in NZ are only suitable for encoding a stream and sending it to a distribution server at a stream hosting company. You really want a 20 or 30 gig plan as I mentioned so you can provide at least FM sound quality for your repeater site.
WMA at 64kb/s is not even suitable. You need about 96kb/s to get any decent sound quality from WMA, and that will be around 40 gigs a month.
AAC+ is free. You can download the Shoutcast DSP Winamp encoder plugin from http://www.shoutcast.com and stream in AAC+ or MP3 format completely free, apart from the hosting company charges of course. You just need Winamp or StationPlaylist broadcasting software to utilize the plugin.
Subject: Re: [LPFM] Advice on setting up audio stream
You could download Windows Media Encoder for free from the microsoft website and stream straight from your pc. I have a mate whose preparing for an LPFM launch and is currently testing it.
The good thing about the media encoder is that it's small in file size, operates using Windows Media Player (which all Windows-based PC's have preloaded), can be configured how you like, you can also provide a dial-up and hi-speed option as well. Oh, and did I mention it's FREE?
So, the only costs associated are the ISP charges. My mate is fortunate to have a TCL (TelstraClear) residential cable connection (2meg up/down 10G $50p/m). Remember, if you are streaming and have no one listening, there is no traffic so no usage. The only usage will be when someone is listening.
The downside to the media encoder is that you can't limit how many can be on at once. This isn't so bad because your ISP upload limit should kick in to take care of that.
Worth a look! Hope that helps.
Cheers, Herb.
--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Ross Levis" <ross@s...> wrote: > > I will recommend... > > Format: AAC+ > Bitrate: 48kb/s > Stream Host: www.mediacast1.com (Currently have a special on AAC+ streams). > > This produces better than FM stereo sound quality at a bitrate which is affordable. > 20 simultaneous users for US$10 per month. > > You need an ISP with a 30 gig DSL plan such as http://www.worldnet.co.nz/personal/dsl (GO 2M 30G NZ$60/month) > > The software you need to encode the stream will depend on what automation software you are using. > > Regards, > Ross. > > Soul FM > http://soulfm.stationplaylist.com/listen.m3u > (28kb/s AAC+) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian Gallagher > To: lpfm_radio@... > Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 9:21 PM > Subject: [LPFM] Advice on setting up audio stream > > > Hi Everyone > I wish to stream our station Radio Dannevirke onto the internet for others to listen to and to act as a prog feed to another station.Now I know that some other LPFM stations are doing this and I would appreciate advice on how to go about doing it please and as to what the costs are..This is a new area for me . > Thanks in anticipation. > Brian, Tech Manager > Radio Dannevirke 107 > Member of Tararua Radio Society. >
Another open-standards alternative would be QuickTime Broadcaster - also
free (see http://www.apple.com/quicktime/broadcaster/) which uses AAC
for audio.
Or there's ShoutCast (see www.shoutcast.com), another free product
delivering MP3 for your audio.
Those solutions should make your stream more accessible than a closed
Windows Media solution.
Of course the main problem will be bandwidth and data caps, which is why
it's probably better to have a single stream up to a provider's server
who then have the capacity to on-stream to many listeners, albeit at a
price! You will get better 'mileage' from QuickTime broadcaster than
you would with Shoutcast because AAC has a lower filesize-to-quality
ratio than MP3.
Let's say you had a 96kbps stream. One listener continuously connected
will chew through 30 Gb of data per month. Two listeners and it's 60 Gb
per month. The good news is that if you had a 256k upstream broadband
plan then that's all you could support as the third listener would
saturate your connection and max it out at 80 Gb per month.
That's a lot of data and a lot of money!!
I suppose you could argue that there may be times when no-one would be
connected but the problem is you can't really control that. You'd have
to monitor your usage and go "off air" if you find you're going through
too much bandwidth. Or, limit the number of connections to 1 or 2.
While self-streaming is doable, the more you look at it the more
attractive a hosted solution looks.
Edwin.
Herb wrote:
> You could download Windows Media Encoder for free from the microsoft
> website and stream straight from your pc. I have a mate whose
> preparing for an LPFM launch and is currently testing it.
>
> The good thing about the media encoder is that it's small in file
> size, operates using Windows Media Player (which all Windows-based
> PC's have preloaded), can be configured how you like, you can also
> provide a dial-up and hi-speed option as well. Oh, and did I mention
> it's FREE?
>
> So, the only costs associated are the ISP charges. My mate is
> fortunate to have a TCL (TelstraClear) residential cable connection
> (2meg up/down 10G $50p/m). Remember, if you are streaming and have no
> one listening, there is no traffic so no usage. The only usage will be
> when someone is listening.
>
> The downside to the media encoder is that you can't limit how many can
> be on at once. This isn't so bad because your ISP upload limit should
> kick in to take care of that.
>
> Worth a look! Hope that helps.
>
> Cheers,
> Herb.
>
You could download Windows Media Encoder for free from the microsoft
website and stream straight from your pc. I have a mate whose
preparing for an LPFM launch and is currently testing it.
The good thing about the media encoder is that it's small in file
size, operates using Windows Media Player (which all Windows-based
PC's have preloaded), can be configured how you like, you can also
provide a dial-up and hi-speed option as well. Oh, and did I mention
it's FREE?
So, the only costs associated are the ISP charges. My mate is
fortunate to have a TCL (TelstraClear) residential cable connection
(2meg up/down 10G $50p/m). Remember, if you are streaming and have no
one listening, there is no traffic so no usage. The only usage will be
when someone is listening.
The downside to the media encoder is that you can't limit how many can
be on at once. This isn't so bad because your ISP upload limit should
kick in to take care of that.
Worth a look! Hope that helps.
Cheers,
Herb.
--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Ross Levis" <ross@s...> wrote:
>
> I will recommend...
>
> Format: AAC+
> Bitrate: 48kb/s
> Stream Host: www.mediacast1.com (Currently have a special on AAC+
streams).
>
> This produces better than FM stereo sound quality at a bitrate which
is affordable.
> 20 simultaneous users for US$10 per month.
>
> You need an ISP with a 30 gig DSL plan such as
http://www.worldnet.co.nz/personal/dsl (GO 2M 30G NZ$60/month)
>
> The software you need to encode the stream will depend on what
automation software you are using.
>
> Regards,
> Ross.
>
> Soul FM
> http://soulfm.stationplaylist.com/listen.m3u
> (28kb/s AAC+)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Gallagher
> To: lpfm_radio@...
> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 9:21 PM
> Subject: [LPFM] Advice on setting up audio stream
>
>
> Hi Everyone
> I wish to stream our station Radio Dannevirke onto the internet
for others to listen to and to act as a prog feed to another
station.Now I know that some other LPFM stations are doing this and I
would appreciate advice on how to go about doing it please and as to
what the costs are..This is a new area for me .
> Thanks in anticipation.
> Brian, Tech Manager
> Radio Dannevirke 107
> Member of Tararua Radio Society.
>
In short - Yes.
Apna FM gained almost Auckland-wide coverage by doing this (using
their Sky TV radio channel as the feed). At the time, it was claimed
that listeners purchased the cheap Sky Digital Radio deal (that only
comes with radio channels) and they rebroadcast Apna that way.
To research this type of activity and the heated and very bitter
reponses to this, type APNA in the search box above.
I found some interesting links for you here:
APNA's engineer admitted it:
http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LPFM_Radio/message/1456
more responses here..
http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LPFM_Radio/message/1610
..and here:
http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LPFM_Radio/message/1805
I recall a story about this at the old 'Medianstrip' website, but
alas there are no archives of this on the new 'Radioscope'.
It reported their gear was eventually seized. Jochen (BCL) noted
that perhaps RSM set in some monitoring quotas, to which I assume
Apna was the first major offender.
Out of interest, Apna ended up paying around 3 million for 990AM.
Richard.
--- In LPFM_Radio@..., Geoff Barkman <barknet@c...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Guys
> This is a hypothetical question....... about the 25km rule.
> What would happen if you set up your LPFM station..... and some
kind person,
> set up a relay of your station (and you don't know who they
are) ..... and
> perhaps several other people set up relays of your station, inside
the 25k
> region. Would you get in trouble for the relays?
>
> Cheers Geoff Barkman ZL4TUX
>
Unless they've changed the rules lately, yes as far as I'm still aware. www.med.govt.nz/rsm is a good place to find the general user license agreement. The local station here who also operates high power along with lpfm is very much commecial and now leased by the radio network.
Of course if you're making money, it's just as - if not more important to be paying copyright license fees first and getting the groundwork/paperwork done before going on-air.
Yes. Under the agreement with APRA, you are allowed to gain revenue from advertising to the value of $10,000 per annum, and for RIANZ you are allowed to earn $9,825
bryceglover <bryceglover@...> wrote:
Are you allowed to have Radio Advertising on LPFM Stations?
Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
G'day Ross,
the costs to stream,in my view,are not as cheap as
they should be and both Australian and NZ companies
are not cheap either.There are lots of companies in
the U.S.A and Europe to choose from.
Have a look here:-
http://www.radiotoolbox.com/hosts/
hope that helps,
73
Tim
---------
--- Ross Levis <ross@...> wrote:
> Yeah, players that can play AAC+ are limited but
> growing in number. It will be the standard stream
> format eventually.
>
> But using MP3 will need a 112kb/s stream to get
> similar sound quality (IMO) and I'm not aware of any
> DSL plans that can handle around 50 gigs of traffic
> a month and 256k or more upload bandwidth.
>
> Windows Media Player can play AAC+ now if this
> plugin is installed.
>
http://www.orban.com/plugin/setup_AAC_aacPlus_plugin_1_0_22.exe
>
> But you need to provide a separate ASX listen link
> on your website and replace http:// with icyx:// in
> the stream URL.
>
> Other free players that can play it natively are...
> Foobar2000, XMPlay, Screamer, VLC for Mac/Linux
>
> I'm would be very interested to know of a less
> expensive stream hosting company than
> www.mediacast1.com. Particularly an NZ company.
>
> Regards,
> Ross.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nri3
> To: LPFM_Radio@...
> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 6:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [LPFM] Advice on setting up audio
> stream
>
>
> G'day,
> yes,but the only hassle with AAC+ is that winamp 5
> and
> up can only receive it.Plus there is a $10 startup
> fee
> with mediacast 1 on top of the price.
>
> 73
> Tim
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Actually, I believe the wording is "there may be no more than one other low power FM transmitter". So this would mean that you can have the broadcast TX and a repeater within the same 25km radius. http://www.rsm.govt.nz/licensing/lpfm.html
1. Application of "25 km" Rule
Clause 3(1) "From 1 October 2003, within a 25km radius of any broadcast transmitter there must be no more than one low power FM transmitter broadcasting substantially the same programme (including simulcast or re-transmission) as
that broadcast transmitter. Broadcast transmitter means a low power FM transmitter, or any broadcast transmitter licensed pursuant to sections 48 or 116 of the Radiocommunications Act 1989."
A broadcast transmitter licensed under section 48 refers to a spectrum licence for a frequency that is within a frequency band that is subject to a management right. A transmitter licensed under section 116 refers to a radio licence for a frequency that is within a frequency band that is not subject to a management right.
Without limiting the provision, the 25km rule applies as follows:
within 25km of any low power FM transmitter, there may be no more than one other low power FM transmitter; and
within 25km of a spectrum/radio licence transmitter, there may be no more than one low power FM transmitter;
broadcasting substantially the same programme.
"
neoteck pc repairs <neotech@...> wrote:
True but it was a hypothetical question and the rule is no relays in 25km so hypothetically they could both be shut down for non compliance.
-----Original Message----- From: LPFM_Radio@... [mailto:LPFM_Radio@...] On Behalf Of Aaron Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 12:02 PM To: LPFM_Radio@... Subject: Re: [LPFM] Relaying Low Powered FM
Unless they receive a direct complaint I seriously doubt that the frequency police would know it was happening - they have better things to do than go through the guard band comparing anything up to 10
stations with each other to see if someone is rebroadcasting - certainly on a regular basis. And a delayed re-broadcast would be even harder for them to find
I'm not saying people should to do this, if frequencies are scarce in your area then this sort of thing is far from polite but the reality is that LPFM is a very small part of RSMs work.
-----Original Message----- From:LPFM_Radio@... [mailto:LPFM_Radio@...] On Behalf Of Edwin Hermann Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 10:40 AM To:LPFM_Radio@... Subject: Re: [LPFM] Relaying Low Powered FM
I would have thought not. YOU are not operating the relay. YOU have not authorised it. YOU have no control over it.
neoteck pc repairs wrote: > yes > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* LPFM_Radio@... > [mailto:LPFM_Radio@...] *On Behalf Of *Geoff Barkman > *Sent:* Saturday, July 08, 2006 11:40 PM > *To:* lpfm_radio@... > *Subject:* [LPFM] Relaying Low Powered FM > > > > Hi Guys > This is a hypothetical question....... about the 25km rule. > What would happen if you set up your LPFM station..... and some kind > person, > set up a relay of your station (and you don't know who they are) ..... and > perhaps several other people set up relays of your station, inside the 25k > region. Would you get in
trouble for the relays? > > Cheers Geoff Barkman ZL4TUX > >
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Yeah, players that can play AAC+ are limited but growing in number. It will be the standard stream format eventually.
But using MP3 will need a 112kb/s stream to get similar sound quality (IMO) and I'm not aware of any DSL plans that can handle around 50 gigs of traffic a month and 256k or more upload bandwidth.
I'm would be very interested to know of a less expensive stream hosting company than www.mediacast1.com. Particularly an NZ company.
Regards,
Ross.
----- Original Message ----- From: nri3 To: LPFM_Radio@... Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [LPFM] Advice on setting up audio stream
G'day, yes,but the only hassle with AAC+ is that winamp 5 and up can only receive it.Plus there is a $10 startup fee with mediacast 1 on top of the price.
G'day,
yes,but the only hassle with AAC+ is that winamp 5 and
up can only receive it.Plus there is a $10 startup fee
with mediacast 1 on top of the price.
73
Tim
---------
--- Ross Levis <ross@...> wrote:
> I will recommend...
>
> Format: AAC+
> Bitrate: 48kb/s
> Stream Host: www.mediacast1.com (Currently have a
> special on AAC+ streams).
>
> This produces better than FM stereo sound quality at
> a bitrate which is affordable.
> 20 simultaneous users for US$10 per month.
>
> You need an ISP with a 30 gig DSL plan such as
> http://www.worldnet.co.nz/personal/dsl (GO 2M 30G
> NZ$60/month)
>
> The software you need to encode the stream will
> depend on what automation software you are using.
>
> Regards,
> Ross.
>
> Soul FM
> http://soulfm.stationplaylist.com/listen.m3u
> (28kb/s AAC+)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Gallagher
> To: lpfm_radio@...
> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 9:21 PM
> Subject: [LPFM] Advice on setting up audio stream
>
>
> Hi Everyone
> I wish to stream our station Radio Dannevirke onto
> the internet for others to listen to and to act as a
> prog feed to another station.Now I know that some
> other LPFM stations are doing this and I would
> appreciate advice on how to go about doing it please
> and as to what the costs are..This is a new area for
> me .
> Thanks in anticipation.
> Brian, Tech Manager
> Radio Dannevirke 107
> Member of Tararua Radio Society.
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True but it was a hypothetical question
and the rule is no relays in 25km so hypothetically they could both be shut
down for non compliance.
-----Original Message----- From:
LPFM_Radio@... [mailto:LPFM_Radio@...] On Behalf Of Aaron Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 12:02
PM To: LPFM_Radio@... Subject: Re: [LPFM] Relaying Low
Powered FM
Unless they receive a direct
complaint I seriously doubt that the frequency police would know it was
happening - they have better things to do than go through the guard band
comparing anything up to 10 stations with each other to see if someone is
rebroadcasting - certainly on a regular basis. And a delayed re-broadcast would
be even harder for them to find
I'm not saying people should to do
this, if frequencies are scarce in your area then this sort of thing is far
from polite but the reality is that LPFM is a very small part of RSMs work.
-----Original Message----- From:LPFM_Radio@...
[mailto:LPFM_Radio@...] On
Behalf Of Edwin Hermann Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 10:40
AM To:LPFM_Radio@... Subject: Re: [LPFM] Relaying Low
Powered FM
I would have thought not. YOU are not operating
the relay. YOU have
not authorised it. YOU have no control over it.
neoteck pc repairs wrote:
> yes
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* LPFM_Radio@...
> [mailto:LPFM_Radio@...] *On Behalf Of *Geoff Barkman
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 08, 2006 11:40 PM
> *To:* lpfm_radio@...
> *Subject:* [LPFM] Relaying Low Powered FM
>
>
>
> Hi Guys
> This is a hypothetical question....... about the 25km rule.
> What would happen if you set up your LPFM station..... and some kind
> person,
> set up a relay of your station (and you don't know who they are) ..... and
> perhaps several other people set up relays of your station, inside the 25k
> region. Would you get in trouble for the relays?
>
> Cheers Geoff
Barkman
ZL4TUX
>
>
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Unless they receive a direct complaint I seriously doubt that the frequency police would know it was happening - they have better things to do than go through the guard band comparing anything up to 10 stations with each other to see if someone is rebroadcasting - certainly on a regular basis. And a delayed re-broadcast would be even harder for them to find
I'm not saying people should to do this, if frequencies are scarce in your area then this sort of thing is far from polite but the reality is that LPFM is a very small part of RSMs work.
-----Original Message----- From:LPFM_Radio@... [mailto:LPFM_Radio@...] On Behalf Of Edwin Hermann Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 10:40 AM To:LPFM_Radio@... Subject: Re: [LPFM] Relaying Low Powered FM
I would have thought not. YOU are not operating the relay. YOU have not authorised it. YOU have no control over it.
neoteck pc repairs wrote: > yes > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* LPFM_Radio@... > [mailto:LPFM_Radio@...] *On Behalf Of *Geoff Barkman > *Sent:* Saturday, July 08, 2006 11:40 PM > *To:* lpfm_radio@... > *Subject:* [LPFM] Relaying Low Powered FM > > > > Hi Guys > This is a hypothetical question....... about the 25km rule. > What would happen if you set up your LPFM station..... and some kind > person, > set up a relay of your station (and you don't know who they are) ..... and > perhaps several other people set up relays of your station, inside the 25k > region. Would you get in trouble for the relays? > > Cheers Geoff Barkman ZL4TUX > >
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-----Original Message----- From:
LPFM_Radio@... [mailto:LPFM_Radio@...] On Behalf Of Edwin Hermann Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 10:40
AM To: LPFM_Radio@... Subject: Re: [LPFM] Relaying Low
Powered FM
I would have thought not. YOU are not operating
the relay. YOU have
not authorised it. YOU have no control over it.
neoteck pc repairs wrote:
> yes
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* LPFM_Radio@...
> [mailto:LPFM_Radio@...] *On Behalf Of *Geoff Barkman
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 08, 2006 11:40 PM
> *To:* lpfm_radio@...
> *Subject:* [LPFM] Relaying Low Powered FM
>
>
>
> Hi Guys
> This is a hypothetical question....... about the 25km rule.
> What would happen if you set up your LPFM station..... and some kind
> person,
> set up a relay of your station (and you don't know who they are) ..... and
> perhaps several other people set up relays of your station, inside the 25k
> region. Would you get in trouble for the relays?
>
> Cheers Geoff
Barkman
ZL4TUX
>
>
I would have thought not. YOU are not operating the relay. YOU have
not authorised it. YOU have no control over it.
neoteck pc repairs wrote:
> yes
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* LPFM_Radio@...
> [mailto:LPFM_Radio@...] *On Behalf Of *Geoff Barkman
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 08, 2006 11:40 PM
> *To:* lpfm_radio@...
> *Subject:* [LPFM] Relaying Low Powered FM
>
>
>
> Hi Guys
> This is a hypothetical question....... about the 25km rule.
> What would happen if you set up your LPFM station..... and some kind
> person,
> set up a relay of your station (and you don't know who they are) ..... and
> perhaps several other people set up relays of your station, inside the 25k
> region. Would you get in trouble for the relays?
>
> Cheers Geoff Barkman ZL4TUX
>
>
-----Original Message----- From:
LPFM_Radio@... [mailto:LPFM_Radio@...] On Behalf Of Geoff Barkman Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006
11:40 PM To: lpfm_radio@... Subject: [LPFM] Relaying Low
Powered FM
Hi Guys
This is a hypothetical question....... about the 25km rule.
What would happen if you set up your LPFM station..... and some kind person,
set up a relay of your station (and you don't know who they are) ..... and
perhaps several other people set up relays of your station, inside the 25k
region. Would you get in trouble for the relays?
Hi Guys
This is a hypothetical question....... about the 25km rule.
What would happen if you set up your LPFM station..... and some kind person,
set up a relay of your station (and you don't know who they are) ..... and
perhaps several other people set up relays of your station, inside the 25k
region. Would you get in trouble for the relays?
Cheers Geoff Barkman ZL4TUX
I wish to stream our station Radio Dannevirke onto the internet for others to listen to and to act as a prog feed to another station.Now I know that some other LPFM stations are doing this and I would appreciate advice on how to go about doing it please and as to what the costs are..This is a new area for me .
I wish to stream our station Radio Dannevirke onto the internet for others to listen to and to act as a prog feed to another station.Now I know that some other LPFM stations are doing this and I would appreciate advice on how to go about doing it please and as to what the costs are..This is a new area for me .
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