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#4615 From: Radiofldude@...
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:54 pm
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Streaming audio to the net,a problem
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Just take the IP address you got from whatismyip and put it in place of the 192.168 IP address
 
Paul
 

#4614 From: Brian Gallagher <brianislay@...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:47 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Streaming audio to the net,a problem
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Thanks Paul for your help.
I checked on the link you gave me and it is quite different.So how do I get around this?
brian

Radiofldude@... wrote:
Are you trying to listen from a computer that isnt on your "network" at the station?
Go to www.whatismyip.com and that will show you what your IP Address is because I believe the 192.168.1 is a non public, non-routable IP address.
 
Paul Walker
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#4613 From: Radiofldude@...
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:39 pm
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Streaming audio to the net,a problem
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Are you trying to listen from a computer that isnt on your "network" at the station?
Go to www.whatismyip.com and that will show you what your IP Address is because I believe the 192.168.1 is a non public, non-routable IP address.
 
Paul Walker
Williston, North Dakota, USA
 
 

#4612 From: "Gavin Stephens" <kiwi_rock@...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:36 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Streaming audio to the net,a problem
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Actually I don't think I'm fully understanding exactly what you're doing.
 
If you trying to listen to your stream from another PC internally, then that URL should work from windows media player. You mentioned "page not available"? is this what media player reported? Or are you trying to open that URL in a web browser? I don't think media encoder has a web server built in, so you just enter that URL directly in to your media player etc...
 
If you're trying to listen from the public Internet, you will need to find out your public IP, not Internal as mentioned. However, you will also need to configure your broadband modem/router, to pass data from port 8080 to internal IP 192.168.1.9. It's usually called port forwarding, or Network Address Translation (NAT) rules etc... 
 
If you're running windows XP on your computer or a firewall, you will also need to make sure the firewall will allow port 8080 to be accepted by the machine. Normally I have firewalls disabled on my PC's since the router does the same job on dsl for me.
 
Gavin.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [LPFM] Streaming audio to the net,a problem

Dunno if you realise this,
 
But the URL below is an internal IP private address on your home network. This is not directly reachable via the public Internet. You will need to figure out what your real public IP address is first and substitute it for the 192.168.1.9 part (your router changes your Internal private to external public IP for you, this is how it secretly shares one public IP with all your Internal computers etc... for lack of a more simplier way to try and describe it).
 
Go to this site http://www.whatsmyip.org/ and find out what your public IP is assigned to your router/broadband by your ISP on the Internet. Then as mentioned, replace the 192.168.1.9 private IP with your public IP, and Bob's you're uncle.
 
Then try see what happens.
 
Cheers,
Gavin.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 3:20 PM
Subject: [LPFM] Streaming audio to the net,a problem

Hi all.
I have downloaded Windows media encoder to directly stream my audio on the net to another point.
In the process of setting up the programme defaulted to using port 8080 to connect to URL
http://192.168.1.9:8080/ which I assume to be my URL.
The programme appears to be encoding and working as an indicating bar graph shows that I am streaming.However being a clever clogs I reasoned that as I am streaming on the upload leg of my broadband connection that if I used a second puter to connect to my URL via the down load side of my B.B that I would get myself back.This has not happened because if I try to connect to my own URL I get the "page unavailable" window.
Please could someone put me right and am I using the correct outgoing port? How can I tell?
O/S is XP and I have an Ethernet connection to Broadband via a DSE 4 way ethernet router to which both up and down puters are connected
Thanks in advance
B


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#4611 From: "Gavin Stephens" <kiwi_rock@...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:30 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Streaming audio to the net,a problem
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Dunno if you realise this,
 
But the URL below is an internal IP private address on your home network. This is not directly reachable via the public Internet. You will need to figure out what your real public IP address is first and substitute it for the 192.168.1.9 part (your router changes your Internal private to external public IP for you, this is how it secretly shares one public IP with all your Internal computers etc... for lack of a more simplier way to try and describe it).
 
Go to this site http://www.whatsmyip.org/ and find out what your public IP is assigned to your router/broadband by your ISP on the Internet. Then as mentioned, replace the 192.168.1.9 private IP with your public IP, and Bob's you're uncle.
 
Then try see what happens.
 
Cheers,
Gavin.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 3:20 PM
Subject: [LPFM] Streaming audio to the net,a problem

Hi all.
I have downloaded Windows media encoder to directly stream my audio on the net to another point.
In the process of setting up the programme defaulted to using port 8080 to connect to URL
http://192.168.1.9:8080/ which I assume to be my URL.
The programme appears to be encoding and working as an indicating bar graph shows that I am streaming.However being a clever clogs I reasoned that as I am streaming on the upload leg of my broadband connection that if I used a second puter to connect to my URL via the down load side of my B.B that I would get myself back.This has not happened because if I try to connect to my own URL I get the "page unavailable" window.
Please could someone put me right and am I using the correct outgoing port? How can I tell?
O/S is XP and I have an Ethernet connection to Broadband via a DSE 4 way ethernet router to which both up and down puters are connected
Thanks in advance
B


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#4610 From: Brian Gallagher <brianislay@...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:20 am
Subject:: Streaming audio to the net,a problem
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Hi all.
I have downloaded Windows media encoder to directly stream my audio on the net to another point.
In the process of setting up the programme defaulted to using port 8080 to connect to URL
http://192.168.1.9:8080/ which I assume to be my URL.
The programme appears to be encoding and working as an indicating bar graph shows that I am streaming.However being a clever clogs I reasoned that as I am streaming on the upload leg of my broadband connection that if I used a second puter to connect to my URL via the down load side of my B.B that I would get myself back.This has not happened because if I try to connect to my own URL I get the "page unavailable" window.
Please could someone put me right and am I using the correct outgoing port? How can I tell?
O/S is XP and I have an Ethernet connection to Broadband via a DSE 4 way ethernet router to which both up and down puters are connected
Thanks in advance
B


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#4609 From: "danieltatenz" <danieltatenz@...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:00 am
Subject:: Re: LPFM Stations Working Together
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I'm certainly not knocking dance formats and I like dance music
myself.

I also totally agree that those people who like a particular genre of
music (be it dance, country, gospel, etc) are as much a community as
those with a similar ethnicity (eg: indian, or chinese), or religous
belief.

Thus I agree that they have as much right to be represented on the
airwaves as any other special interest group....

However when there are two dance stations broadcasting one block
apart as happens in central Auckland are they really serving the
interests of their community, and is there community that different
as to require two seperate stations...



--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Richard Phelps" <richard@r...>
wrote:
>
> I agree - if there are duplicate formats in one area, I'd suggest
they
> consolidate and boost resources.
>
> Before you knock Dance formats though, I want you to carefully
> consider their intended audience (not yours) and what issues (as a
> community of people) they have, and wether these dance stations
> address these issues. I can only think of one who is actively doing
this.
>
> This in itself is community broadcasting, supported by a targeted
> music format.
>
> cheers
>
> --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "danieltatenz"
> <danieltatenz@y...> wrote:
> >
> > I see recently that Jim Sutton has started Nostalgia FM
broadcasting in
> > west auckland.
> >
> > This now makes three nostalgia LPFM stations broadcasting within
west
> > Auckland alone.
> >
> > We have an Unfortgettble music station in Blockhouse Bay on
106.9FM,
> > two suburbs over in Glen Eden Jim has his Nostalgia FM on 107.5,
and
> > then three more suburbs over in Massey Unforgettable music on
107.1FM.
> >
> > I have no issue with each of these stations or what they are
trying to
> > achieve. However I must ask why these three stations can not work
> > together to add one quality nostalgia station in Waitakere City
that
> > would add true value to their community.
> >
> > I see evidence of LPFM stations working together and adding value
to
> > each other through this forum, however I am unable to see why
these
> > stations could not take the time to work together and thus
produce one
> > quality broadcast for their community, and thus free up valuable
> > spectrum space for other providers.
> >
> > I currently run GOfm 107dot1 in Titirangi which is very much a
> > community broadcaster, and must add that none of these stations
detract
> > from our broadcast area and that thus this is not GOfm trying to
free
> > up some spectrum for us to use.
> >
> > By being a community broadcaster I also wish to add that we have
no
> > intention of streaming our signal (eg: what's the value of
someone in
> > Denmark listening?), or relaying our signal to  anotther city
(what's
> > the value of someone in Hamilton getting our community
broadcast?).
> >
> > GOfm used to be a two man band literally broadcasting from the
spare
> > bedroom of our house. However we identified what a valuable
resource
> > the radio spectrum is, and have now opened our broadcast space up
to
> > the community, and now have over 30 local people involved in
bringing a
> > a true community station to the people in Waitakere City.
> >
> > We have also approached Spider FM in Avondale (which is our
closest
> > broadcaster) with a view to forming a partnership that would add
value
> > to both our communities, and have also promoted an event run by
WCCR
> > (107.5FM) in Te Atatu.
> >
> > Prove me me wrong but to me the ideals of LPFM are to establish
> > community broadcast stations to fill the gap left by the current
> > national networks, and not to add additional national or city
wide
> > stations.
> >
> > We are very much working towards this ideal and have established
a
> > charitable trust being the 'Titirangi Community Radio Trust'
which now
> > runs GOfm.
> >
> > Thus in Auckland we continue to be frustrated by "one man bands"
who
> > think it is 'cool' (no other explanation) to start their own LPFM
> > without considering other stations in their broadcast area (Jim
> > Sutton), or what value they are adding to their community.
> >
> > I must encourage other stations to work together to add value to
their
> > community and ask others within the LPFM community what they
think of
> > this situation and similar (eg dance stations broadcasting in
more than
> > one market).
> >
> > Ourselves we welcome more regulation as the de-regulated market
is
> > clearly not working to the ideal of adding true diversity to the
NZ
> > radio spectrum as it was envisaged...
> >
> > I welcome your feedback in respect to this and other format
double ups
> > you may have in your commmuniy...
> >
> > LET'S WORK TOGETHER PEOPLE!
> >
> > PS: Is the nostalgia community not covered by Coast FM and also
other
> > national networks? Is this true diversity and community
involvement
> > (eg: do you have people from your community adding to your
> > broadcasts?)
> >
>

#4608 From: "Richard Phelps" <richard@...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:43 am
Subject:: Re: LPFM Stations Working Together
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I agree - if there are duplicate formats in one area, I'd suggest they
consolidate and boost resources.

Before you knock Dance formats though, I want you to carefully
consider their intended audience (not yours) and what issues (as a
community of people) they have, and wether these dance stations
address these issues. I can only think of one who is actively doing this.

This in itself is community broadcasting, supported by a targeted
music format.

cheers

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "danieltatenz"
<danieltatenz@y...> wrote:
>
> I see recently that Jim Sutton has started Nostalgia FM broadcasting in
> west auckland.
>
> This now makes three nostalgia LPFM stations broadcasting within west
> Auckland alone.
>
> We have an Unfortgettble music station in Blockhouse Bay on 106.9FM,
> two suburbs over in Glen Eden Jim has his Nostalgia FM on 107.5, and
> then three more suburbs over in Massey Unforgettable music on 107.1FM.
>
> I have no issue with each of these stations or what they are trying to
> achieve. However I must ask why these three stations can not work
> together to add one quality nostalgia station in Waitakere City that
> would add true value to their community.
>
> I see evidence of LPFM stations working together and adding value to
> each other through this forum, however I am unable to see why these
> stations could not take the time to work together and thus produce one
> quality broadcast for their community, and thus free up valuable
> spectrum space for other providers.
>
> I currently run GOfm 107dot1 in Titirangi which is very much a
> community broadcaster, and must add that none of these stations detract
> from our broadcast area and that thus this is not GOfm trying to free
> up some spectrum for us to use.
>
> By being a community broadcaster I also wish to add that we have no
> intention of streaming our signal (eg: what's the value of someone in
> Denmark listening?), or relaying our signal to  anotther city (what's
> the value of someone in Hamilton getting our community broadcast?).
>
> GOfm used to be a two man band literally broadcasting from the spare
> bedroom of our house. However we identified what a valuable resource
> the radio spectrum is, and have now opened our broadcast space up to
> the community, and now have over 30 local people involved in bringing a
> a true community station to the people in Waitakere City.
>
> We have also approached Spider FM in Avondale (which is our closest
> broadcaster) with a view to forming a partnership that would add value
> to both our communities, and have also promoted an event run by WCCR
> (107.5FM) in Te Atatu.
>
> Prove me me wrong but to me the ideals of LPFM are to establish
> community broadcast stations to fill the gap left by the current
> national networks, and not to add additional national or city wide
> stations.
>
> We are very much working towards this ideal and have established a
> charitable trust being the 'Titirangi Community Radio Trust' which now
> runs GOfm.
>
> Thus in Auckland we continue to be frustrated by "one man bands" who
> think it is 'cool' (no other explanation) to start their own LPFM
> without considering other stations in their broadcast area (Jim
> Sutton), or what value they are adding to their community.
>
> I must encourage other stations to work together to add value to their
> community and ask others within the LPFM community what they think of
> this situation and similar (eg dance stations broadcasting in more than
> one market).
>
> Ourselves we welcome more regulation as the de-regulated market is
> clearly not working to the ideal of adding true diversity to the NZ
> radio spectrum as it was envisaged...
>
> I welcome your feedback in respect to this and other format double ups
> you may have in your commmuniy...
>
> LET'S WORK TOGETHER PEOPLE!
>
> PS: Is the nostalgia community not covered by Coast FM and also other
> national networks? Is this true diversity and community involvement
> (eg: do you have people from your community adding to your
> broadcasts?)
>

#4607 From: "kiwihamsteve" <kiwisteve@...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:45 am
Subject:: LPFM GURL
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Re 88.6 on Kapiti Coast . Yes I would expect an modification to the
GURL on a similar line to SKYTOWER subclause .I suspect the whole issue
of LPFM in the 88 region will be dealt too shortly by MED / RSM


Cheers
Steve

#4606 From: "philip_crookes" <philip@...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:10 am
Subject:: Re: Re 88.6 Kapiti Coast
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The latest version of the post-2011 frequency plans assumes extension
down to 87.5, and shows 88.6 as being available for inclusion in the
regular frequency plans, which looks to me like a zero sum for LPFM
users, with perhaps a couple of extra channels in Auckland.

I wonder if they are going to change any other LPFM regulations - and
if they do how and when will we find out?

Philip
Ptimetime Radio 1ZZ


--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "kiwihamsteve" <kiwisteve@g...>
wrote:
>
> The licence for the Kapiti coast on 88.6
> has emission desgination on licence for standard FM broadcast .
> Goodbye LPFM around that area on 88.6 + / - a few channels
>
> SteveJ
>

#4605 From: "kiwihamsteve" <kiwisteve@...>
Date: Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:47 pm
Subject:: Re 88.6 Kapiti Coast
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The licence for the Kapiti coast on 88.6
has emission desgination on licence for standard FM broadcast .
Goodbye LPFM around that area on 88.6 + / - a few channels

SteveJ

#4604 From: "danieltatenz" <danieltatenz@...>
Date: Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:08 am
Subject:: LPFM Stations Working Together
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I see recently that Jim Sutton has started Nostalgia FM broadcasting in
west auckland.

This now makes three nostalgia LPFM stations broadcasting within west
Auckland alone.

We have an Unfortgettble music station in Blockhouse Bay on 106.9FM,
two suburbs over in Glen Eden Jim has his Nostalgia FM on 107.5, and
then three more suburbs over in Massey Unforgettable music on 107.1FM.

I have no issue with each of these stations or what they are trying to
achieve. However I must ask why these three stations can not work
together to add one quality nostalgia station in Waitakere City that
would add true value to their community.

I see evidence of LPFM stations working together and adding value to
each other through this forum, however I am unable to see why these
stations could not take the time to work together and thus produce one
quality broadcast for their community, and thus free up valuable
spectrum space for other providers.

I currently run GOfm 107dot1 in Titirangi which is very much a
community broadcaster, and must add that none of these stations detract
from our broadcast area and that thus this is not GOfm trying to free
up some spectrum for us to use.

By being a community broadcaster I also wish to add that we have no
intention of streaming our signal (eg: what's the value of someone in
Denmark listening?), or relaying our signal to  anotther city (what's
the value of someone in Hamilton getting our community broadcast?).

GOfm used to be a two man band literally broadcasting from the spare
bedroom of our house. However we identified what a valuable resource
the radio spectrum is, and have now opened our broadcast space up to
the community, and now have over 30 local people involved in bringing a
a true community station to the people in Waitakere City.

We have also approached Spider FM in Avondale (which is our closest
broadcaster) with a view to forming a partnership that would add value
to both our communities, and have also promoted an event run by WCCR
(107.5FM) in Te Atatu.

Prove me me wrong but to me the ideals of LPFM are to establish
community broadcast stations to fill the gap left by the current
national networks, and not to add additional national or city wide
stations.

We are very much working towards this ideal and have established a
charitable trust being the 'Titirangi Community Radio Trust' which now
runs GOfm.

Thus in Auckland we continue to be frustrated by "one man bands" who
think it is 'cool' (no other explanation) to start their own LPFM
without considering other stations in their broadcast area (Jim
Sutton), or what value they are adding to their community.

I must encourage other stations to work together to add value to their
community and ask others within the LPFM community what they think of
this situation and similar (eg dance stations broadcasting in more than
one market).

Ourselves we welcome more regulation as the de-regulated market is
clearly not working to the ideal of adding true diversity to the NZ
radio spectrum as it was envisaged...

I welcome your feedback in respect to this and other format double ups
you may have in your commmuniy...

LET'S WORK TOGETHER PEOPLE!

PS: Is the nostalgia community not covered by Coast FM and also other
national networks? Is this true diversity and community involvement
(eg: do you have people from your community adding to your
broadcasts?)

#4603 From: Richard Huntington <ricky@...>
Date: Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:17 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Re: 88.6 MHZ
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Digital radio tests?

jamesweather2000 wrote:
> The Radio Network have been allocated 106.2 in Auckland.
> Any ideas?
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#4602 From: "jamesweather2000" <jrjohnston@...>
Date: Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:03 am
Subject:: Re: 88.6 MHZ
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The Radio Network have been allocated 106.2 in Auckland.
Any ideas?

#4601 From: "kiwihamsteve" <kiwisteve@...>
Date: Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:56 am
Subject:: 88.6 MHZ
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Hi Guys
Well looks like Auckland is not alone
The Kapiti Coast ( just north of Wellington ) has been issued
a licence on 88.6 for 12 months
I guess this will mean the same restriction will be coming up
as Auckland

Steve J
Licence
Number:Licensee:Category:Type:Address:Starts:Ends:Sets:Fee:202553RadioP
O BOX 1445PARAPARAUMU BEACH24-July-200619-July-
2007PolarisationEmissionPowerChannelFrequencySpectrum Details
88.60000028.0 dBW256KF8EHFMixed or LinearBILicence: 202553VHF FM >=20
& <30dBW (Radio)     NZMS260LocationTransmits From873381R26FOREST
HEIGHTSNZMS260LocationReceives AtBROADCAST RECEIVINGView Licence
Conditions
View Horizontal Radiation Pattern
202553THE STEAM RADIO CO LTDFOREST HEIGHTS873381BIR2688.600000

#4600 From: "Richard Phelps" <richard@...>
Date: Wed Aug 9, 2006 2:22 am
Subject:: [LPFM] Re: NZ LPFM directory
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The LPFMNZ list is much more memorable link. Its easier to sign up and
post/amend your details. Even though its for the Auckland group of
LPFM broadcasters, any NZ LPFMer can submit and manage their listing.
I recommend this be your first port of call.

If its not your station, perhaps you could submit it to the Wikipedia
listings at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LPFM_stations_in_New_Zealand

I find this resource great, and as an exec member of the committee, I
can post new/updated information on new stations as I find them, plus
others can contribute - especially if they have more detailed
information. Be warned, there is a learning curve to post/update your
listing at Wikipedia, so preview before you post!

The Soundwave FM listings are great, purely as historical
documentation, and perhaps for the Radio Heritage guys as well.

As LPFM stations are as organic as the weather, I recommend these two
sites: www.lpfmnz.com and the wikipedia address above.

Cheers

Richard Phelps
RETRO HIT RADIO
88.1fm Manukau

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., Matt Camp <matt@t...> wrote:
>
>
> http://www.lpfmnz.com
>
> Click on Station List....
>
>
> Andrew Dubber wrote:
> > Whatever happened to that LPFM Society idea of a centralised
register?
> > Shouldn't that be online? The idea of that was so that newcomers
> > wouldn't select a frequency already in use in a given area. That
> > Soundwave FM link's not the most memorable URL...
> >
>

#4599 From: "Gavin Stephens" <kiwi_rock@...>
Date: Tue Aug 8, 2006 10:02 pm
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Relaying Low Powered FM
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You would need to fill in your apra reports to show the name of the other station. That should be about it, unless the other station isn't paying their apra fee's etc... in which case then there's problems.
 
Otherwise you would be required to provide all the music details etc... from apra/pnnz for what you've broadcast if the orginal station hasn't provided it to apra themselves.
 
Gavin.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: grantthoms
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [LPFM] Relaying Low Powered FM

Would there be in issue with one station (Auckland for example)
re-broadcasting a station based in Wellington, via their internet
stream?  If, say, it was only for a few hours per week?




--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "neoteck pc repairs"
<neotech@p...> wrote:
>
> True but it was a hypothetical question and the rule is no relays in
25km so
> hypothetically they could both be shut down for non compliance.
>

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LPFM_Radio@...
[mailto:LPFM_Radio@...]
> On Behalf Of Aaron
> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 12:02 PM
> To: LPFM_Radio@...
> Subject: Re: [LPFM] Relaying Low Powered FM
>

>
> Unless they receive a direct complaint I seriously doubt that the
frequency
> police would know it was happening - they have better things to do
than go
> through the guard band comparing anything up to 10 stations with
each other
> to see if someone is rebroadcasting - certainly on a regular basis.
And a
> delayed re-broadcast would be even harder for them to find
>

>
> I'm not saying people should to do this, if frequencies are scarce
in your
> area then this sort of thing is far from polite but the reality is
that LPFM
> is a very small part of RSMs work.
>

>
> Aaron
>

>

>

>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: neoteck <mailto:neotech@p...>  pc repairs
>
> To: LPFM_Radio@...
>
> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 11:44 AM
>
> Subject: RE: [LPFM] Relaying Low Powered FM
>

>

>
> Then they would probably shut both of you down.
>

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LPFM_Radio@...
[mailto:LPFM_Radio@...]
> On Behalf Of Edwin Hermann
> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 10:40 AM
> To: LPFM_Radio@...
> Subject: Re: [LPFM] Relaying Low Powered FM
>

>
> I would have thought not.  YOU are not operating the relay.  YOU have
> not authorised it. YOU have no control over it.
>
>
> neoteck pc repairs wrote:
> > yes
> >
> > 
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* LPFM_Radio@...
> > [mailto:LPFM_Radio@...] *On Behalf Of *Geoff Barkman
> > *Sent:* Saturday, July 08, 2006 11:40 PM
> > *To:* lpfm_radio@...
> > *Subject:* [LPFM] Relaying Low Powered FM
> >
> > 
> >
> > Hi Guys
> > This is a hypothetical question....... about the 25km rule.
> > What would happen if you set up your LPFM station..... and some kind
> > person,
> > set up a relay of your station (and you don't know who they are)
..... and
> > perhaps several other people set up relays of your station, inside
the 25k
> > region. Would you get in trouble for the relays?
> >
> > Cheers Geoff Barkman                  ZL4TUX
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____ 
>
>
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#4598 From: "grantthoms" <studio@...>
Date: Tue Aug 8, 2006 10:59 am
Subject:: Logs for Apra and PPNZ
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Hi All,

Last post for tonight.. I promise :)

Just a query regarding play logs for APRA and PPNZ.
Do they ever request these from LPFM stations?  Or is it in the
agreement just to cover their butts so they can ask if need be at a
later stage?

Cheers,
Grant

#4597 From: "grantthoms" <studio@...>
Date: Tue Aug 8, 2006 10:57 am
Subject:: Re: APRA/RIANZ (PPNZ)
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Hi Brent,

I've forked over the money for both PPNZ and APRA.. plus shortly
another $100 excl gst to PPNZ for the pleasure of internet streaming.
I guess you gotta look at the big picture, even with the cost set at
that, the artists and composers aren't going to get much royalties.

Cheers,
Grant



--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "kixfm2002" <brent@k...> wrote:
>
> No Doubt many of you might have been contacted by the licensing
> authorities. APRA are doing a major push at present with
> Bars/Restaurants and now LPFM.
>
> While I am happy to pay $100 to RIANZ (PPNZ) and that seems
> fair....not that we run commercials so it's just a cost! Just got a
> contract from APRA and they want $200 PA. This is double what RIANZ
> charge and APRA normally charge bars/restaurants less than this and
> are normally far less than RIANZ.
>
> I was e-mailed by Emma. Dunno what you guys think but I have told them
> to rethink the pricing as I am not prepared to pay this much. While I
> can't imagine you want to proactively e-mail....cos you'll end up with
> a bill like mine! I think it's worthwhile going back to them with a
> similar response if you get the message.
>
> Thoughts
>

#4596 From: "grantthoms" <studio@...>
Date: Tue Aug 8, 2006 10:54 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Relaying Low Powered FM
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Would there be in issue with one station (Auckland for example)
re-broadcasting a station based in Wellington, via their internet
stream?  If, say, it was only for a few hours per week?




--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "neoteck pc repairs"
<neotech@p...> wrote:
>
> True but it was a hypothetical question and the rule is no relays in
25km so
> hypothetically they could both be shut down for non compliance.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LPFM_Radio@...
[mailto:LPFM_Radio@...]
> On Behalf Of Aaron
> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 12:02 PM
> To: LPFM_Radio@...
> Subject: Re: [LPFM] Relaying Low Powered FM
>
>
>
> Unless they receive a direct complaint I seriously doubt that the
frequency
> police would know it was happening - they have better things to do
than go
> through the guard band comparing anything up to 10 stations with
each other
> to see if someone is rebroadcasting - certainly on a regular basis.
And a
> delayed re-broadcast would be even harder for them to find
>
>
>
> I'm not saying people should to do this, if frequencies are scarce
in your
> area then this sort of thing is far from polite but the reality is
that LPFM
> is a very small part of RSMs work.
>
>
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: neoteck <mailto:neotech@p...>  pc repairs
>
> To: LPFM_Radio@...
>
> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 11:44 AM
>
> Subject: RE: [LPFM] Relaying Low Powered FM
>
>
>
>
>
> Then they would probably shut both of you down.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LPFM_Radio@...
[mailto:LPFM_Radio@...]
> On Behalf Of Edwin Hermann
> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 10:40 AM
> To: LPFM_Radio@...
> Subject: Re: [LPFM] Relaying Low Powered FM
>
>
>
> I would have thought not.  YOU are not operating the relay.  YOU have
> not authorised it. YOU have no control over it.
>
>
> neoteck pc repairs wrote:
> > yes
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* LPFM_Radio@...
> > [mailto:LPFM_Radio@...] *On Behalf Of *Geoff Barkman
> > *Sent:* Saturday, July 08, 2006 11:40 PM
> > *To:* lpfm_radio@...
> > *Subject:* [LPFM] Relaying Low Powered FM
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Guys
> > This is a hypothetical question....... about the 25km rule.
> > What would happen if you set up your LPFM station..... and some kind
> > person,
> > set up a relay of your station (and you don't know who they are)
..... and
> > perhaps several other people set up relays of your station, inside
the 25k
> > region. Would you get in trouble for the relays?
> >
> > Cheers Geoff Barkman                  ZL4TUX
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
>
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#4595 From: "grantthoms" <studio@...>
Date: Tue Aug 8, 2006 10:52 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Radio Advertising
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Yes, I signed an agreement with APRA and PPNZ back in late June and
the sum of just under $10k a year is still allowed.

Time to start selling sponsorships :)  Or, dare I mention the 'C'
word..... Contra :)))))

Cheers,
Grant



--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Gavin & Sandy" <kiwi_rock@x...>
wrote:
>
> Unless they've changed the rules lately, yes as far as I'm still
aware. www.med.govt.nz/rsm is a good place to find the general user
license agreement. The local station here who also operates high power
along with lpfm is very much commecial and now leased by the radio
network.
>
> Of course if you're making money, it's just as - if not more
important to be paying copyright license fees first and getting the
groundwork/paperwork done before going on-air.
>
> Gavin.
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: bryceglover
>   To: LPFM_Radio@...
>   Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:21 PM
>   Subject: [LPFM] Radio Advertising
>
>
>   Are you allowed to have Radio Advertising on LPFM Stations?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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#4594 From: "grantthoms" <studio@...>
Date: Tue Aug 8, 2006 10:49 am
Subject:: Re: INN News (LPFM NZ service?)...
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Is there a free news service for LPFM in New Zealand?

Cheers,
Grant


--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Herb" <foralaugh@p...> wrote:
>
> Just wondering if the owner of this service could please pm me, just
> need subing details...
>
> Cheers,
> Herb.
>

#4593 From: "grantthoms" <studio@...>
Date: Tue Aug 8, 2006 10:42 am
Subject:: New :) With a question
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Hi Everyone, just joined this group.

I'm running a LPFM station in Lower Hutt and I am registered with both
APRA and PPNZ.

I just recieved the PPNZ agreement for internet streaming.

In it, it mentions 'Territory' and 'New Zealand'.  What I'm curious
about is, does this mean streaming can only be made available for
people in New Zealand to listen to, or, does it mean you may only
stream music that has been released in New Zealand?

Cheers,
Grant

#4592 From: Matt Camp <matt@...>
Date: Tue Aug 8, 2006 10:30 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Re: Radio Heritage net
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http://www.lpfmnz.com

Click on Station List....


Andrew Dubber wrote:
> Whatever happened to that LPFM Society idea of a centralised register?
> Shouldn't that be online? The idea of that was so that newcomers
> wouldn't select a frequency already in use in a given area. That
> Soundwave FM link's not the most memorable URL...
>

#4591 From: "Andrew Dubber" <dubber@...>
Date: Tue Aug 8, 2006 8:02 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Re: Radio Heritage net
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Some of the mass emails include the following:

unsubscribe requests may be sent to: info@...
with 'unsubscribe' in the header.

Whatever happened to that LPFM Society idea of a centralised register? Shouldn't that be online? The idea of that was so that newcomers wouldn't select a frequency already in use in a given area. That Soundwave FM link's not the most memorable URL...

Cheers,

Dubber

On 8/8/06, Geoff Barkman < barknet@... > wrote:
Hi Guys
I've been having some interesting conversations with David Ricquish the
Chairman of the Radio Heritage Foundation.
He has told me that all of his mass emails that he sends out, include an
unsubscribe option for his emails. I have never seen it. Has anyone else?

I requested that he sends an email out to everyone on his list asking everyone
if they want to receive his "massed" emails (he will growl at me if I call
them "Spam") they reply with a "yes".... and to ignore it, if they want off
his list. He has refused. And asked me to apologise to this list for asking
about him.

We already have a good list created by soundwave FM
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9885/micronz.html
There is 2 or 3 other lists too.
Why do we need more lists of stations listings.... surely soundwave FM list is
a good one stop shop to go to? Too many lists will just create mayhem. The
Soundwave site is listed on the RSM site so thats where everyone goes.

If we want our details changed of our LPFM station, we just let Soundwave FM
know about it. That is so easy.


On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 21:13, philip_crookes wrote:
> I think they're well-intentioned - they are linked to an important
> broadcast history site - but they are living in the last century.
>
> Among other things (apart from listing the name my radio station
> backward, and showing both transmitters as 'inactive', one of them
> twice) they seem convinced that most NZ stations are still using the
> callsigns of the 1980s ,that RNZI doesn't exist and that major brands
> like Radio Live, Breeze, Coast, The Edge etc haven't been invented yet.
>
> Database management is such sweet sorrow.
>
>
> Philip (I did write to them)
> Primetime Radio 1ZZ
> Bay of Islands
>
> --- In LPFM_Radio@..., Geoff Barkman <barknet@c...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi there
> > Are any of you guys getting junk mail from the "Radio Heritage" net.
> > I get 2 copies of every email they send out. They seem to have
> picked up our
> > email addresses from somewhere. Some stuff is interesting. But lots
> of it is
> > pretty boring. They seem to have a list of LPFM stations.... but
> they are
> > wildly inaccurate.... some stations have up to 5 frequencies in a
> particular
> > area.... and others that I can think of are missed out.
> > Cheers Geoff Barkman                  ZL4TUX
> > --

Cheers Geoff Barkman                  ZL4TUX
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#4590 From: "Gavin Stephens" <kiwi_rock@...>
Date: Tue Aug 8, 2006 7:53 am
Subject:: Re: [SPAM] Re: [LPFM] Re: Radio Heritage net
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Hi guys,
 
Just a note, for those with xtra, ant-spam seems to delete a few of the lpfm emails. You may want to review your xtra spam settings. By default Xtra move it to a wemail spam folder then delete it. You need to log in to their webmail usin u'r normal username and passwordand look up options, antispam, and change to mark message spam rather than delete or move or you'll miss the od LPFM messages like  have been until now.
 
 
Cheers,
Gavin.
 

#4589 From: Geoff Barkman <barknet@...>
Date: Tue Aug 8, 2006 7:36 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Re: Radio Heritage net
Mad_Milkie
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Hi Guys
I've been having some interesting conversations with David Ricquish the
Chairman of the Radio Heritage Foundation.
He has told me that all of his mass emails that he sends out, include an
unsubscribe option for his emails. I have never seen it. Has anyone else?

I requested that he sends an email out to everyone on his list asking everyone
if they want to receive his "massed" emails (he will growl at me if I call
them "Spam") they reply with a "yes".... and to ignore it, if they want off
his list. He has refused. And asked me to apologise to this list for asking
about him.

We already have a good list created by soundwave FM
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9885/micronz.html
There is 2 or 3 other lists too.
Why do we need more lists of stations listings.... surely soundwave FM list is
a good one stop shop to go to? Too many lists will just create mayhem. The
Soundwave site is listed on the RSM site so thats where everyone goes.

If we want our details changed of our LPFM station, we just let Soundwave FM
know about it. That is so easy.

On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 21:13, philip_crookes wrote:
> I think they're well-intentioned - they are linked to an important
> broadcast history site - but they are living in the last century.
>
> Among other things (apart from listing the name my radio station
> backward, and showing both transmitters as 'inactive', one of them
> twice) they seem convinced that most NZ stations are still using the
> callsigns of the 1980s ,that RNZI doesn't exist and that major brands
> like Radio Live, Breeze, Coast, The Edge etc haven't been invented yet.
>
> Database management is such sweet sorrow.
>
>
> Philip (I did write to them)
> Primetime Radio 1ZZ
> Bay of Islands
>
> --- In LPFM_Radio@..., Geoff Barkman <barknet@c...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi there
> > Are any of you guys getting junk mail from the "Radio Heritage" net.
> > I get 2 copies of every email they send out. They seem to have
> picked up our
> > email addresses from somewhere. Some stuff is interesting. But lots
> of it is
> > pretty boring. They seem to have a list of LPFM stations.... but
> they are
> > wildly inaccurate.... some stations have up to 5 frequencies in a
> particular
> > area.... and others that I can think of are missed out.
> > Cheers Geoff Barkman 	 ZL4TUX
> > --

Cheers Geoff Barkman 	 ZL4TUX
--

#4588 From: "philip_crookes" <philip@...>
Date: Sun Aug 6, 2006 9:13 am
Subject:: Re: Radio Heritage net
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I think they're well-intentioned - they are linked to an important
broadcast history site - but they are living in the last century.

Among other things (apart from listing the name my radio station
backward, and showing both transmitters as 'inactive', one of them
twice) they seem convinced that most NZ stations are still using the
callsigns of the 1980s ,that RNZI doesn't exist and that major brands
like Radio Live, Breeze, Coast, The Edge etc haven't been invented yet.

Database management is such sweet sorrow.


Philip (I did write to them)
Primetime Radio 1ZZ
Bay of Islands

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., Geoff Barkman <barknet@c...> wrote:
>
> Hi there
> Are any of you guys getting junk mail from the "Radio Heritage" net.
> I get 2 copies of every email they send out. They seem to have
picked up our
> email addresses from somewhere. Some stuff is interesting. But lots
of it is
> pretty boring. They seem to have a list of LPFM stations.... but
they are
> wildly inaccurate.... some stations have up to 5 frequencies in a
particular
> area.... and others that I can think of are missed out.
> Cheers Geoff Barkman 	 ZL4TUX
> --
>

#4587 From: "Richard Phelps" <richard@...>
Date: Sun Aug 6, 2006 5:08 am
Subject:: Re: Radio Heritage net
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Hi Geoff

I spotted that too. Perhaps you should email the owner.

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., Geoff Barkman <barknet@c...> wrote:
>
> Hi there
> Are any of you guys getting junk mail from the "Radio Heritage" net.
> I get 2 copies of every email they send out. They seem to have
picked up our
> email addresses from somewhere. Some stuff is interesting. But lots
of it is
> pretty boring. They seem to have a list of LPFM stations.... but
they are
> wildly inaccurate.... some stations have up to 5 frequencies in a
particular
> area.... and others that I can think of are missed out.
> Cheers Geoff Barkman 	 ZL4TUX
> --
>

#4586 From: Geoff Barkman <barknet@...>
Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 11:51 am
Subject:: Radio Heritage net
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Hi there
Are any of you guys getting junk mail from the "Radio Heritage" net.
I get 2 copies of every email they send out. They seem to have picked up our
email addresses from somewhere. Some stuff is interesting. But lots of it is
pretty boring. They seem to have a list of LPFM stations.... but they are
wildly inaccurate.... some stations have up to 5 frequencies in a particular
area.... and others that I can think of are missed out.
Cheers Geoff Barkman 	 ZL4TUX
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