I have seen a lot of comment about the above subject. LPFM's (and I'm
one) need to take reponsibility to ensure that this issue is sorted.
How the RSM has not moved on a number of operators I'm not sure?

This morning I heard splatter from Fleet FM on 88.2FM. The interesting
thing is that Fleet broadcast on 88.3FM and the splatter was in Esmond
Road, Takapuna with Fleet operating from the Central City. A distance
of about 5km?

When listening on 88.3FM the output was so over the top it was hardly
audible.

This will only lead to other stations increasing modulation/power to
override this splatter and then the RSM will be over everybody.

It's an issue needing some resolution!

John
BayFM and The Flea

----- Original Message -----

From: Ethan L

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:33 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Sources of new equipment

If you looking for basic mixers, check out global media pro www.globalmediapro.com/

Steve Jepson wrote:

Also have a Look at Bridge  in Wellington

http://www.the-bridge.com.au/NZ/

 

 

Also have a Look at Bridge  in Wellington

http://www.the-bridge.com.au/NZ/

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gavin Stephens

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:25 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Sources of new equipment

Overseas sources though, www.bswusa.com (Broadcast Supply Woldwide) are a good spot if you are just after some general price comparisons. Although you need to figure in exchange rate, freight and GST plus customs.

 

Gavin.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gavin Stephens

To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:18 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Sources of new equipment

NZ suppliers:

 

www.avw.co.nz (Audio Video Wholsalers). They source those nice Axel Digital Oxygen 3 series consoles with teclo hybrids in them and balanced input version for around $4,500 or something similar. Compact design. But they also supply DB Eelectronica transmitters, STL's etc... Good service from these guys.

 

Telequipment.co.nz - now The Bridge Networks. They are the usual supplier of gear to the broadcast industry. Good source for RVR and other Itailian stuff. Plus all the other bits and peices you'll want. If you find something you like (non-broadcast warehouse) chances are they can get it.

 

I think TRS sell stuff by its self. Although they do more complete installation and equipment selection suited to budget etc...

 

Last but not least, Broadtech, I hear some hairs standing on end now because of some of their owners history (some negative kudo's about them) but they seem professional enough when I delt with them.

 

Gavin.

 

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Gallagher

To: lpfm_radio@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:06 PM

Subject: [LPFM] Sources of new equipment

Hi all!

I am in the throes of compiling a wish list of new studio gear for a new station and hopefully the money will be there.

  I need suggestions for sources of supply apart from the Broadcast Warehouse as I will need to get three quotes for each of the items(usual studio stuff) Of particular need will be for a pair of Control consoles(mixers) suitable for "on air" use rather than fall back on production/recording desks which are not designed for on air use.These seem to be most scarce

Any advice will be appreciated thanks.

Brian

Tararua Radio Network

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----- Original Message -----

From: Gavin Stephens

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:18 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Sources of new equipment

NZ suppliers:

 

www.avw.co.nz (Audio Video Wholsalers). They source those nice Axel Digital Oxygen 3 series consoles with teclo hybrids in them and balanced input version for around $4,500 or something similar. Compact design. But they also supply DB Eelectronica transmitters, STL's etc... Good service from these guys.

 

Telequipment.co.nz - now The Bridge Networks. They are the usual supplier of gear to the broadcast industry. Good source for RVR and other Itailian stuff. Plus all the other bits and peices you'll want. If you find something you like (non-broadcast warehouse) chances are they can get it.

 

I think TRS sell stuff by its self. Although they do more complete installation and equipment selection suited to budget etc...

 

Last but not least, Broadtech, I hear some hairs standing on end now because of some of their owners history (some negative kudo's about them) but they seem professional enough when I delt with them.

 

Gavin.

 

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Gallagher

To: lpfm_radio@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:06 PM

Subject: [LPFM] Sources of new equipment

Hi all!

I am in the throes of compiling a wish list of new studio gear for a new station and hopefully the money will be there.

  I need suggestions for sources of supply apart from the Broadcast Warehouse as I will need to get three quotes for each of the items(usual studio stuff) Of particular need will be for a pair of Control consoles(mixers) suitable for "on air" use rather than fall back on production/recording desks which are not designed for on air use.These seem to be most scarce

Any advice will be appreciated thanks.

Brian

Tararua Radio Network

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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Gallagher

To: lpfm_radio@...

Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:06 PM

Subject: [LPFM] Sources of new equipment

Hi all!

I am in the throes of compiling a wish list of new studio gear for a new station and hopefully the money will be there.

  I need suggestions for sources of supply apart from the Broadcast Warehouse as I will need to get three quotes for each of the items(usual studio stuff) Of particular need will be for a pair of Control consoles(mixers) suitable for "on air" use rather than fall back on production/recording desks which are not designed for on air use.These seem to be most scarce

Any advice will be appreciated thanks.

Brian

Tararua Radio Network

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I've been in contact with one of the people at RSM and the latest on
the power increase is this:

"The changes to the LPFM General licence are being finalised, but I am
unable to give a firm implementation date at this time. Part of this
involves some assessment against the relatively sensitive aeronautical
services above 108 MHz and this may yet influence the power level, but
I am not able to pre-empt that work."


So there we are. It's in the wings, so to speak.



--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Callum Thomas"
<callumthomas@...> wrote:
>
> Has there been any more news in regards to the proposed power
increase for
> LPFM operators?
>
> Last I heard (and I'm a bit out of the loop) there was talk of it being
> increased from 500mW to 1W.
>
> Thanks!
>

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "grantthoms" <studio@...> wrote:
>
> Well it seems there is an option out there.. Got an email from
> Ian at Independent Network News.  For only $50 a month you can have
> news bulletins for your LPFM.  Demo sounds good so time to find a
> sponsor to pay for it. :)
>
> Cheers,
> Grant

  Realistically this will be the best. They can afford it, because it's
zero opportunity cost to them seeing they were doing it anyway.

My only hesitation (but then 1ZZ is extremely peculiar about what gets
put on) would be that for every minute I relayed their newscast I
would sound exactly like all the other commercial stations in our market.

Which is something we try never to do.

Phililp
Primetime 1ZZ
Bay of Islands







>
> --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "philip_crookes" <philip@> wrote:
> >
> > I've wanted to offer this for a long time. After more than 40 years in
> > broadcast news, yes, I can. I know how to do it and it would be
> good. But:
> >
> > To do it properly means that someone gets up at 0600 to be in the
> > studio to prepare and present the newscast at 0700. Updates at 0900,
> > 1200, 1300, 1700, 1800. Maybe take a chance on pre-rec 2200 or
> > midnight 'cast,and run the risk of missing the huge local landslip /
> > air crash / footy score / road smash  / escaped crim / rescued duck
> > that's all over the networks from your area while you're home in bed
> > and the station is on automation. Few things sound worse than bland
> > automation when the Queen is dead. Or the GG, PM, or any one of a
> > hundred others.
> >
> > To do it properly there's easily 45 minutes of work per three minute
> > cast on the phone, internet  and editing to create the live inserts
> > listeners expect.
> >
> > If it's to be any good that means it has to be done by someone that's
> > paid or otherwise motivated to do it and good at broadcasting. Most
> > people can learn to be good at broadcasting. A lot of it is about
> > breathing. A lot more of it is about writing. Both of these are
> > learned skills.  If they're not being paid, or sub-edited by a
> > professional journo,  get ready for the lawsuits when they get it
> > wrong, which they will.
> >
> > Next problem, for our fridge-magnet-power stations. News is what's
> > happening within 7 km of us. Apart from FSN, and Kiwi news which I
> > could do but need help to sustain, I can offer a regular service of
> > Kerikeri and Paihia news. Do I hear takers?
> >
> > I'd like to do it. I need to tie it to my radio journalism training
> > school, and that has to be paid for.
> >
> > I'm wide open to all suggestions, I'm willing to co-operate and help.
> > As a journalist I never work for nothing, because in nearly half a
> > century at the microphone, I've long believed that the man that works
> > for nothing has set his own value on his work.
> >
> > Maybe we could find a national sponsor. Maybe we could split the days
> > so I don't even have to imagine being up at 0600.
> >
> > Realistically, a 3-minute bulletin costs $10 a time. FSN gives them
> > away for $15 / month bcause they're nice, and they are selling the
> > product in bigger primary markets so we are added value for no effort.
> > We can't affortd to do that.
> >
> > Who's good at screwing  money out of corporate sponsors selling a
> > daytime AQ of 400? Who's good at cutting a deal for shared news
> > resources with the local paper?
> >
> > Look at it like this:
> >
> > 100 stations @ $1 / day. Doesn't really adress the issue of being up
> > at 0600.
> >
> > 100 stations @ $2 / day. That's starting to feel probable.
> >
> > 100 stations @ $5 / day. This would work, but I bet they won't pay it.
> >
> >
> > I'm ready willing and able to contribute to any formula that people
> > suggest. But I still won't work for nothing.
> >
> > Philip
> >
> > --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Jesse Archer"
> > <jesse.archer@> wrote:
> > >
> > > ------------------------
> > >
> > > 2. News (New Zealand)
> > >
> > >     Posted by: "grantthoms" studio@ grantthoms
> > >
> > >     Date: Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:04 pm ((EST))
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So, has anyone in NZ found a 'free' or 'cheap' source of news
> > bulletins for
> > > LPFM?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > A friend contacted RNZ recently, but their pricing is too
prohibitive
> > > (perhaps thats the reason they do it).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheap is good. Free is even better! But of course it has to be
legal.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm aware there are various ones available overseas, but I'm talking
> > local
> > > bulletins with local news (and a bit of international news added for
> > > colour).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Grant
> > >
> > > -------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I thought I would get back to everyone on this.
> > >
> > > TRN offer stations their Newscheck/Sportscheck bulletin (duration of
> > 4 min
> > > total) & Newsline bulletin (sport and news - duration 2min) via
FTP.
> > >
> > > The bulletins are updates regularly (my understanding every hour)
> > and are
> > > available 24/7.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cost is $220 a month for community stations. Or $500 for normal
> > stations.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know for ourselves we will be going on the Newsline bulletin very
> > soon.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If you can find an advertising sponsor to pay the $220 a month I
> > think it's
> > > a feasible thing. I think advertisers would find it a bargain to pay
> > $220 a
> > > month to get their name played once each our on your station.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Jesse Archer
> > >
> > > Program Director
> > >
> > > UGM New Zealand
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > jesse@
> > >
> > > http://www.ugm.co.nz
> > >
> >
>

Yep, gotcha loud and clear.

The RME unit I refer to has linearly stacked LEDs, I am aware of the
ones that use the LEDs in a curve - Dorrough make a loudness meter
which is a very good unit but somewhat expensive - around $800.

http://www.dorrough.com/dorrough/



--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Gavin Stephens" <gstephens@...>
wrote:
>
> 'Are they' I meant.
>
> I like those LED based VU/peak intergrated meters on the likes of
those Axel Oxygen 4 series, they are a curved VU/peak meter with LED's
rather than a needle. But they offer both VU and peak, not just peak.
>
> Gavin.
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Gavin Stephens
>   To: LPFM_Radio@...
>   Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 1:56 PM
>   Subject: Re: [LPFM] Anyone got an RME LED Level monitor?
>
>
>
>   Are that actual LED VU meters? or PPM/Peak LED meters?
>
>   Gav.
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: wireless.radio
>     To: LPFM_Radio@...
>     Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 7:58 PM
>     Subject: [LPFM] Anyone got an RME LED Level monitor?
>
>
>     These were in common use from the late 80s onwards in many
commercial
>     stations around NZ.
>     With the advent of digital, a lot of this analog stuff has been
>     turfed/sold/given away to smaller stations and LPFM operators. I'm
>     guessing someone has one either in use or sitting in their back room
>     gathering dust. I'm prepared to pay for one or if you don't want to
>     sell it then all I want is to be able to borrow it for about a week.
>     It's a 2U rack mount unit, with a set of LED VU meters to the right
>     and two selector knobs middle and left of centre. Alternatively
if you
>     know where one is, please let me know. Thanks.
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Gavin Stephens

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 1:56 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Anyone got an RME LED Level monitor?

Are that actual LED VU meters? or PPM/Peak LED meters?

 

Gav.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: wireless.radio

To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 7:58 PM

Subject: [LPFM] Anyone got an RME LED Level monitor?

These were in common use from the late 80s onwards in many commercial
stations around NZ.
With the advent of digital, a lot of this analog stuff has been
turfed/sold/given away to smaller stations and LPFM operators. I'm
guessing someone has one either in use or sitting in their back room
gathering dust. I'm prepared to pay for one or if you don't want to
sell it then all I want is to be able to borrow it for about a week.
It's a 2U rack mount unit, with a set of LED VU meters to the right
and two selector knobs middle and left of centre. Alternatively if you
know where one is, please let me know. Thanks.

Hi Gav,

It's a unit that has LED VU meters calibrated in dBm, plus it has one
LED for indicating peak and one showing phase reversal.
The model number of the unit is 451M1 in case anyone thinks they may
have one.


--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Gavin Stephens" <gstephens@...>
wrote:
>
> Are that actual LED VU meters? or PPM/Peak LED meters?
>
> Gav.
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: wireless.radio
>   To: LPFM_Radio@...
>   Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 7:58 PM
>   Subject: [LPFM] Anyone got an RME LED Level monitor?
>
>
>   These were in common use from the late 80s onwards in many commercial
>   stations around NZ.
>   With the advent of digital, a lot of this analog stuff has been
>   turfed/sold/given away to smaller stations and LPFM operators. I'm
>   guessing someone has one either in use or sitting in their back room
>   gathering dust. I'm prepared to pay for one or if you don't want to
>   sell it then all I want is to be able to borrow it for about a week.
>   It's a 2U rack mount unit, with a set of LED VU meters to the right
>   and two selector knobs middle and left of centre. Alternatively if you
>   know where one is, please let me know. Thanks.
>

----- Original Message -----

From: wireless.radio

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 7:58 PM

Subject: [LPFM] Anyone got an RME LED Level monitor?

These were in common use from the late 80s onwards in many commercial
stations around NZ.
With the advent of digital, a lot of this analog stuff has been
turfed/sold/given away to smaller stations and LPFM operators. I'm
guessing someone has one either in use or sitting in their back room
gathering dust. I'm prepared to pay for one or if you don't want to
sell it then all I want is to be able to borrow it for about a week.
It's a 2U rack mount unit, with a set of LED VU meters to the right
and two selector knobs middle and left of centre. Alternatively if you
know where one is, please let me know. Thanks.

----- Original Message -----

From: wireless.radio

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 1:37 AM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Modulation levels - who's checking?

Ok, so you have a built in limiter (is it a peak limiter, RMS or
what?) and how do you know what the output level is set to? It might
be limiting at 120% :D

--- In LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au, "Steve Jepson"
<steve.jepson@...> wrote:
>
> Yes continuously
> plus the processor has a built in limiter !
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: wireless.radio
> To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:28 AM
> Subject: [LPFM] Modulation levels - who's checking?
>
>
> I'm wondering how people are checking their mod levels at the moment.
> It would seem to me that there are a lot of LPFM stations
> over-modulating something awful.
>

Ok, so you have a built in limiter (is it a peak limiter, RMS or
what?) and how do you know what the output level is set to? It might
be limiting at 120% :D



--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Steve Jepson"
<steve.jepson@...> wrote:
>
> Yes  continuously
> plus the processor has a built in limiter !
>
> Steve
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: wireless.radio
>   To: LPFM_Radio@...
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:28 AM
>   Subject: [LPFM] Modulation levels - who's checking?
>
>
>   I'm wondering how people are checking their mod levels at the moment.
>   It would seem to me that there are a lot of LPFM stations
>   over-modulating something awful.
>

I'll join in I guess too.. would be good to check my levels here..

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "wireless.radio"
<happydayradio@...> wrote:
>
> These were in common use from the late 80s onwards in many commercial
> stations around NZ.
> With the advent of digital, a lot of this analog stuff has been
> turfed/sold/given away to smaller stations and LPFM operators. I'm
> guessing someone has one either in use or sitting in their back room
> gathering dust. I'm prepared to pay for one or if you don't want to
> sell it then all I want is to be able to borrow it for about a week.
> It's a 2U rack mount unit, with a set of LED VU meters to the right
> and two selector knobs middle and left of centre. Alternatively if you
> know where one is, please let me know. Thanks.
>

Ah well, in which case I'm probably over-modulating :)

There's only myself and one other LPFM in this area anyway.

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "wireless.radio"
<happydayradio@...> wrote:
>
> That is quite true. You are more than likely over-modulating if it
> sounds distorted, but you can also be overmodulating a great deal
> without distortion.
>
>
> --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "grantthoms" <studio@> wrote:
> >
> > The majority of LPFM'ers would not have the equipment to check for
> > over modulation. The only way is by what you hear.  I figure, you're
> > over modulating if it sounds distorted.  Without the proper equipment,
> > how else are you supposed to measure this?
> >
> >
> > --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "wireless.radio"
> > <happydayradio@> wrote:
> > >
> > > What I'm saying is "Given that it's a legal requirement to transmit
> > > within a framework of specifications, how do most LPFM stations
check
> > > their mod levels, specifically peak mod?"
> > > I've listened to a couple of stations in Auckland (who I won't
> > > identify at this stage) and the overmod was AWFUL. [You know
it's bad
> > > when you can hear it!].
> > > This is not a critique of LPFM stations as a whole, more an exercise
> > > in finding out how people are checking their mod levels.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Richard Phelps" <richard@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Happy Day Radio,
> > > >
> > > > Are you saying that there are a lot of LPFMers overmodulating,
or it
> > > > "would seem" that LPFMers would overmodulate?
> > > >
> > > > If so, where in particular? Can you give any examples?
> > > > Are you raising the hot potato about RSM certification of LPFM
> > > equipment?
> > > >
> > > > lots of questions huh...
> > > >
> > > > Richard
> > > >
> > > > RetroHitRadio
> > > > 88.1fm Manukau
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "wireless.radio"
> > > > <happydayradio@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm wondering how people are checking their mod levels at the
> > moment.
> > > > > It would seem to me that there are a lot of LPFM stations
> > > > > over-modulating something awful.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

These were in common use from the late 80s onwards in many commercial
stations around NZ.
With the advent of digital, a lot of this analog stuff has been
turfed/sold/given away to smaller stations and LPFM operators. I'm
guessing someone has one either in use or sitting in their back room
gathering dust. I'm prepared to pay for one or if you don't want to
sell it then all I want is to be able to borrow it for about a week.
It's a 2U rack mount unit, with a set of LED VU meters to the right
and two selector knobs middle and left of centre. Alternatively if you
know where one is, please let me know. Thanks.

That is quite true. You are more than likely over-modulating if it
sounds distorted, but you can also be overmodulating a great deal
without distortion.


--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "grantthoms" <studio@...> wrote:
>
> The majority of LPFM'ers would not have the equipment to check for
> over modulation. The only way is by what you hear.  I figure, you're
> over modulating if it sounds distorted.  Without the proper equipment,
> how else are you supposed to measure this?
>
>
> --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "wireless.radio"
> <happydayradio@> wrote:
> >
> > What I'm saying is "Given that it's a legal requirement to transmit
> > within a framework of specifications, how do most LPFM stations check
> > their mod levels, specifically peak mod?"
> > I've listened to a couple of stations in Auckland (who I won't
> > identify at this stage) and the overmod was AWFUL. [You know it's bad
> > when you can hear it!].
> > This is not a critique of LPFM stations as a whole, more an exercise
> > in finding out how people are checking their mod levels.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Richard Phelps" <richard@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Happy Day Radio,
> > >
> > > Are you saying that there are a lot of LPFMers overmodulating, or it
> > > "would seem" that LPFMers would overmodulate?
> > >
> > > If so, where in particular? Can you give any examples?
> > > Are you raising the hot potato about RSM certification of LPFM
> > equipment?
> > >
> > > lots of questions huh...
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > RetroHitRadio
> > > 88.1fm Manukau
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "wireless.radio"
> > > <happydayradio@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm wondering how people are checking their mod levels at the
> moment.
> > > > It would seem to me that there are a lot of LPFM stations
> > > > over-modulating something awful.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

The majority of LPFM'ers would not have the equipment to check for
over modulation. The only way is by what you hear.  I figure, you're
over modulating if it sounds distorted.  Without the proper equipment,
how else are you supposed to measure this?


--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "wireless.radio"
<happydayradio@...> wrote:
>
> What I'm saying is "Given that it's a legal requirement to transmit
> within a framework of specifications, how do most LPFM stations check
> their mod levels, specifically peak mod?"
> I've listened to a couple of stations in Auckland (who I won't
> identify at this stage) and the overmod was AWFUL. [You know it's bad
> when you can hear it!].
> This is not a critique of LPFM stations as a whole, more an exercise
> in finding out how people are checking their mod levels.
>
>
>
> --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Richard Phelps" <richard@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Happy Day Radio,
> >
> > Are you saying that there are a lot of LPFMers overmodulating, or it
> > "would seem" that LPFMers would overmodulate?
> >
> > If so, where in particular? Can you give any examples?
> > Are you raising the hot potato about RSM certification of LPFM
> equipment?
> >
> > lots of questions huh...
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > RetroHitRadio
> > 88.1fm Manukau
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "wireless.radio"
> > <happydayradio@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm wondering how people are checking their mod levels at the
moment.
> > > It would seem to me that there are a lot of LPFM stations
> > > over-modulating something awful.
> > >
> >
>

What I'm saying is "Given that it's a legal requirement to transmit
within a framework of specifications, how do most LPFM stations check
their mod levels, specifically peak mod?"
I've listened to a couple of stations in Auckland (who I won't
identify at this stage) and the overmod was AWFUL. [You know it's bad
when you can hear it!].
This is not a critique of LPFM stations as a whole, more an exercise
in finding out how people are checking their mod levels.



--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Richard Phelps" <richard@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Happy Day Radio,
>
> Are you saying that there are a lot of LPFMers overmodulating, or it
> "would seem" that LPFMers would overmodulate?
>
> If so, where in particular? Can you give any examples?
> Are you raising the hot potato about RSM certification of LPFM
equipment?
>
> lots of questions huh...
>
> Richard
>
> RetroHitRadio
> 88.1fm Manukau
>
>
>
> --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "wireless.radio"
> <happydayradio@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm wondering how people are checking their mod levels at the moment.
> > It would seem to me that there are a lot of LPFM stations
> > over-modulating something awful.
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Allen Kennett

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 11:52 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] LPFM studio photos

I would be willing to accept larger photos to my gmail account and upload them to my server for later download if you wish? That way you dont have to worry about your inbox filling.
Let me know if that would be helpful and I'll send a link to where you can pick the photos up from online when you're ready.

Allen Kennett

On 1/24/07, Gavin Stephens <gstephens@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

Not many LPFM station photos around...

 

One thing I'd love to see at some stage, is a collection of smaller file sized JPEG photos of various LPFM setups and studios on a web site.

 

I think a pet want to forefill before the age of 40 (anoter 11 and a bit years away), is to visit some LPFM stations and take some photos when I decide to become rich and do a big national tour of the country. Perhaps once I get my pilots license... which is also on the to do list by 40.

 

BTW, thanks again for the invite, Otago Heritage Radio.

 

Anyway, feel free to email me any photos (perferably less than 400KB a photo) to kiwi_rock@xtra.co.nz (note the underscore "_" in there). I'd rather they go there as it's 100MB storage, my personal one at orcon is very small.

 

 

Cheers,

Gavin.

 

Well it seems there is an option out there.. Got an email from
Ian at Independent Network News.  For only $50 a month you can have
news bulletins for your LPFM.  Demo sounds good so time to find a
sponsor to pay for it. :)

Cheers,
Grant


--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "philip_crookes" <philip@...> wrote:
>
> I've wanted to offer this for a long time. After more than 40 years in
> broadcast news, yes, I can. I know how to do it and it would be
good. But:
>
> To do it properly means that someone gets up at 0600 to be in the
> studio to prepare and present the newscast at 0700. Updates at 0900,
> 1200, 1300, 1700, 1800. Maybe take a chance on pre-rec 2200 or
> midnight 'cast,and run the risk of missing the huge local landslip /
> air crash / footy score / road smash  / escaped crim / rescued duck
> that's all over the networks from your area while you're home in bed
> and the station is on automation. Few things sound worse than bland
> automation when the Queen is dead. Or the GG, PM, or any one of a
> hundred others.
>
> To do it properly there's easily 45 minutes of work per three minute
> cast on the phone, internet  and editing to create the live inserts
> listeners expect.
>
> If it's to be any good that means it has to be done by someone that's
> paid or otherwise motivated to do it and good at broadcasting. Most
> people can learn to be good at broadcasting. A lot of it is about
> breathing. A lot more of it is about writing. Both of these are
> learned skills.  If they're not being paid, or sub-edited by a
> professional journo,  get ready for the lawsuits when they get it
> wrong, which they will.
>
> Next problem, for our fridge-magnet-power stations. News is what's
> happening within 7 km of us. Apart from FSN, and Kiwi news which I
> could do but need help to sustain, I can offer a regular service of
> Kerikeri and Paihia news. Do I hear takers?
>
> I'd like to do it. I need to tie it to my radio journalism training
> school, and that has to be paid for.
>
> I'm wide open to all suggestions, I'm willing to co-operate and help.
> As a journalist I never work for nothing, because in nearly half a
> century at the microphone, I've long believed that the man that works
> for nothing has set his own value on his work.
>
> Maybe we could find a national sponsor. Maybe we could split the days
> so I don't even have to imagine being up at 0600.
>
> Realistically, a 3-minute bulletin costs $10 a time. FSN gives them
> away for $15 / month bcause they're nice, and they are selling the
> product in bigger primary markets so we are added value for no effort.
> We can't affortd to do that.
>
> Who's good at screwing  money out of corporate sponsors selling a
> daytime AQ of 400? Who's good at cutting a deal for shared news
> resources with the local paper?
>
> Look at it like this:
>
> 100 stations @ $1 / day. Doesn't really adress the issue of being up
> at 0600.
>
> 100 stations @ $2 / day. That's starting to feel probable.
>
> 100 stations @ $5 / day. This would work, but I bet they won't pay it.
>
>
> I'm ready willing and able to contribute to any formula that people
> suggest. But I still won't work for nothing.
>
> Philip
>
> --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Jesse Archer"
> <jesse.archer@> wrote:
> >
> > ------------------------
> >
> > 2. News (New Zealand)
> >
> >     Posted by: "grantthoms" studio@ grantthoms
> >
> >     Date: Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:04 pm ((EST))
> >
> >
> >
> > So, has anyone in NZ found a 'free' or 'cheap' source of news
> bulletins for
> > LPFM?
> >
> >
> >
> > A friend contacted RNZ recently, but their pricing is too prohibitive
> > (perhaps thats the reason they do it).
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheap is good. Free is even better! But of course it has to be legal.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm aware there are various ones available overseas, but I'm talking
> local
> > bulletins with local news (and a bit of international news added for
> > colour).
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Grant
> >
> > -------------
> >
> >
> >
> > I thought I would get back to everyone on this.
> >
> > TRN offer stations their Newscheck/Sportscheck bulletin (duration of
> 4 min
> > total) & Newsline bulletin (sport and news - duration 2min) via FTP.
> >
> > The bulletins are updates regularly (my understanding every hour)
> and are
> > available 24/7.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cost is $220 a month for community stations. Or $500 for normal
> stations.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> >
> >
> > I know for ourselves we will be going on the Newsline bulletin very
> soon.
> >
> >
> >
> > If you can find an advertising sponsor to pay the $220 a month I
> think it's
> > a feasible thing. I think advertisers would find it a bargain to pay
> $220 a
> > month to get their name played once each our on your station.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Jesse Archer
> >
> > Program Director
> >
> > UGM New Zealand
> >
> >
> >
> > jesse@
> >
> > http://www.ugm.co.nz
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Gavin Stephens

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:54 AM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: Modulation levels - who's checking?

Especially since it's the law.

 

If you drive audio levels to high into a transmitter and cause clipping, it could also cause problems with harmonics further up the dial. Although a lot transmitters have filters in them, but I seldom ever see LPFM operators with anything like a cavity filter etc...

 

I'm starting to understand why in aussie you need a skilled tech for a radio station. Especially with one example of LPFM on the dial I've heard.

 

Gavin.

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Jepson

To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:43 AM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: Modulation levels - who's checking?

The RVR exciters red line at 75khz  so don't exceed 75Khz peak deviation

 

Steve

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Anthony Rohan

To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:27 AM

Subject: RE: [LPFM] Re: Modulation levels - who's checking?

Quick question: What's the scale of modulation? eg. what would be considered "low" or "high"

 

Anthony

---

From: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of Gavin Stephens
Sent: 24 January 2007 9:30 p.m.
To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: Modulation levels - who's checking?

Even kitsets should be required by law to have a peak hold modulation meter on them.

 

Although come to think of it, don't a lot of them have an overshot protection limiters in them?

 

Gavin.

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Jepson

To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 5:33 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: Modulation levels - who's checking?

I use a Sayrosa Deviation meter 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Gallagher

To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 5:15 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: Modulation levels - who's checking?

Well what are people using to measure their deviation/modulation levels.

It could well be that many people dont have access to suitable gear or dont know how to set the level either with or without gear.

Ross Levis <ross@stationplaylist.com> wrote:

Not only that but over modulating actually reduces coverage.  It spreads the power over a wider frequency range so covers less distance.  Using a wider bandwidth also causes interference to stations either side of the frequency, so there is no benefit whatsoever.

 

High modulation at low signal strengths will sound distorted, and most people listening to LPFM stations are experiencing low signal strengths, so don't do it.  Err on the low side if you have no way to measure modulation levels.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: MB&JD Duffy

To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:13 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: Modulation levels - who's checking?

Nothing funny about it, just darn annoying that some think they they have some sort of God given moral high ground and are above the regs.

.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Jepson

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:43 AM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: Modulation levels - who's checking?

The RVR exciters red line at 75khz  so don't exceed 75Khz peak deviation

 

Steve

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Anthony Rohan

To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:27 AM

Subject: RE: [LPFM] Re: Modulation levels - who's checking?

Quick question: What's the scale of modulation? eg. what would be considered "low" or "high"

 

Anthony

---

From: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of Gavin Stephens
Sent: 24 January 2007 9:30 p.m.
To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: Modulation levels - who's checking?

Even kitsets should be required by law to have a peak hold modulation meter on them.

 

Although come to think of it, don't a lot of them have an overshot protection limiters in them?

 

Gavin.

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Jepson

To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 5:33 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: Modulation levels - who's checking?

I use a Sayrosa Deviation meter 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Gallagher

To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 5:15 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: Modulation levels - who's checking?

Well what are people using to measure their deviation/modulation levels.

It could well be that many people dont have access to suitable gear or dont know how to set the level either with or without gear.

Ross Levis <ross@stationplaylist.com> wrote:

Not only that but over modulating actually reduces coverage.  It spreads the power over a wider frequency range so covers less distance.  Using a wider bandwidth also causes interference to stations either side of the frequency, so there is no benefit whatsoever.

 

High modulation at low signal strengths will sound distorted, and most people listening to LPFM stations are experiencing low signal strengths, so don't do it.  Err on the low side if you have no way to measure modulation levels.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: MB&JD Duffy

To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:13 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: Modulation levels - who's checking?

Nothing funny about it, just darn annoying that some think they they have some sort of God given moral high ground and are above the regs.

.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Anthony Rohan

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:27 AM

Subject: RE: [LPFM] Re: Modulation levels - who's checking?

Quick question: What's the scale of modulation? eg. what would be considered "low" or "high"

 

Anthony

---

From: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of Gavin Stephens
Sent: 24 January 2007 9:30 p.m.
To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: Modulation levels - who's checking?

Even kitsets should be required by law to have a peak hold modulation meter on them.

 

Although come to think of it, don't a lot of them have an overshot protection limiters in them?

 

Gavin.

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Jepson

To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 5:33 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: Modulation levels - who's checking?

I use a Sayrosa Deviation meter 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Gallagher

To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 5:15 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: Modulation levels - who's checking?

Well what are people using to measure their deviation/modulation levels.

It could well be that many people dont have access to suitable gear or dont know how to set the level either with or without gear.

Ross Levis <ross@stationplaylist.com> wrote:

Not only that but over modulating actually reduces coverage.  It spreads the power over a wider frequency range so covers less distance.  Using a wider bandwidth also causes interference to stations either side of the frequency, so there is no benefit whatsoever.

 

High modulation at low signal strengths will sound distorted, and most people listening to LPFM stations are experiencing low signal strengths, so don't do it.  Err on the low side if you have no way to measure modulation levels.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: MB&JD Duffy

To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:13 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: Modulation levels - who's checking?

Nothing funny about it, just darn annoying that some think they they have some sort of God given moral high ground and are above the regs.

.

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