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Great stuff.  I'd be keen to play this on The Cheese.
How often are these going to be made? One for each day of the week?

Cheers,
Grant
www.thecheese.co.nz

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#5317

From: Ethan L <Kead@...>
Date: Tue May 1, 2007 5:30 am
Subject:: NZ Music Beat.. Free for you guys to download and broadcast..

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Hi Guys,

Last May myself (Ethan Lessiter from LFM) and Matt Anderson (from The X Radio) put together 'The NZ Music Beat'

Its a short minute bulletin or introduction talking about the history of the band and news,followed by the bands new track. We give NZ On Air the credit which the deserve by naming the bulletins after them. Heres a demo of a 'NZ beat' we just produced. LFM Productions produce them free of charge, if anyone would like to do they're own NZ Music Beat if you send me the dry voice-over for the intro (email me it) I can it produced up professionally with effects for free and I will upload it with the rest of the collection on line for all you guys to download and broadcast free of charge.

Heres a demo one (Nesian Mystic - Robbin' Hood Heroes): http://www.lfmonline.org/NZBeat/Nesian%20Mystic%20-%20Robbin'%20Hood%20Heroes%20(Ethan).MP3

Check out this directory (http://www.lfmonline.org/NZBeat/) every couple of days as we will be uploading more every few days, the music came of the NZ On Air promotional hit discs set to us for this kind of thing.

Get in the spirit for NZ Music Month and broadcast these.. help promote NZ Music!

Regards,
Ethan

http://www.lfmproductions.com
Ph: 0276965251 / 078665060
Email: kead@...

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#5316

From: "Gavin Stephens" <gstephens@...>
Date: Tue May 1, 2007 2:05 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Professional quality sound cards

kiwi_rock_24

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I should have said, in the analogue to digital converter. Because once you've captured nothing, there's nothing worth playing back through the DAC.

Gav.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gavin Stephens

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Professional quality sound cards

Ross pretty much hit the nail on the head.

If you're sampling say a frequency of 15KHz but only used a 15KHz sample rate in the digital to analogue converter, the digital to analogue converter will end up sampling the same point on the sine wave 360 degrees later, or right back at square one (for example every zero voltage point of the sine wave). The outcome of sampling in time with zero voltage, is zero sound. That's why the highest possible frequency is half the sample rate. For example the common CD, 44.1KHz divided by 2 = 22.05KHz of audio.

192KHz sampling gives you a frequency response up to 96KHz, which is fine for a composite stereo output in to a transmitter. I haven't come across a sound card in my travels yet that has a step between 96KHz sampling (only 48KHz highest audio frequency) and 192KHz sampling.

24 bit on top gives you a magnitude of difference in amplitude or peak voltage accuracy compared with 16 bit. So if you use a 24 bit coder it's not simply 8 times higher than 16 bit. It's a double of possible output levels for every bit. 16 Bit audio has 65536 possible values (voltages or audio levels) while 24 bit has 16777216 possible values, a huge difference. So it does less estimating when capturing or recreating a sine wave. This means a far more accurate peak level output (far less overshot that's inherant with 16 bit, which is up to 3dB even if your editingn software says 0dBFS but that's another story I've mentioned before, -3dBFS peak normalising = no distortion in the analogue output stage of domestic sound cards or cheap cd players caused by this).

So if you're considering audio processing on a PC, a 24-bit card is worth it. If you want a complete processed multiplexed stereo output, you'll need 192KHz, hence Michaels search for them. Since cards with 192KHz are 24-bit, it starts to become pointless using 16 bit audio processing anyway.

One other thing for those learning some more stuff about digital audio (I'm still learning this stuff aswell) to remember, it's worth noting it's not just increased frequency response with higher sampling rates, it's far greater resolution aswell, as the audio is being sampled more often and hence a lot more accurately reproduced.

My $1's worth today.

Gavin.

----- Original Message -----

From: MB&JD Duffy

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:47 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Professional quality sound cards

Just a question. If the most you can fit per channel is 64kb for fm in new zealand why do you need higher sampling?

Maurice

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Hallager

To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:05 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Professional quality sound cards

24-bit.

http://www.heinecke.nl/stereocoder_en.html

This is unless someone has a decent stereo hardware coder (with 15khz audio
filtering) they want to sell.
And while I am on this subject - I am not interested in crap - I've noticed
that a fair few people (no names) must be incapable of reading or they think
they can fob of their unsuited crap on "the new guy", i've been around
electronics for plenty of time - I'm not thick or stupid, so try and sucker
someone else like on Trademe or whatever....

Good on Gavin for reading the spec's and being intelligent in his reply. :-)

> What sort of coder software are you looking at for use with a pro card? 16
> or 24-bit output support? 24-bit will remove 3dB overshots associated with
> 16-bit based audio coders and give a much more accurate peak output.

Michael Hallager
net trust ltd
www.networkstuff.co.nz p.09 839-1000

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#5315

From: "Gavin Stephens" <gstephens@...>
Date: Tue May 1, 2007 2:03 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Professional quality sound cards

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I forgot about that coder. I noticed it supports 32-bit output aswell, that's a bit of a leap from 16 and 24 bit processing.

Might aswell use 32 bit if available. Don't know if the Julia does 32-bit, although 32 bit was around before 24 bit in some cards. I wonder how much processing power it would use.

Gavin.

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Hallager

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:05 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Professional quality sound cards

24-bit.

http://www.heinecke.nl/stereocoder_en.html

This is unless someone has a decent stereo hardware coder (with 15khz audio
filtering) they want to sell.
And while I am on this subject - I am not interested in crap - I've noticed
that a fair few people (no names) must be incapable of reading or they think
they can fob of their unsuited crap on "the new guy", i've been around
electronics for plenty of time - I'm not thick or stupid, so try and sucker
someone else like on Trademe or whatever....

Good on Gavin for reading the spec's and being intelligent in his reply. :-)

> What sort of coder software are you looking at for use with a pro card? 16
> or 24-bit output support? 24-bit will remove 3dB overshots associated with
> 16-bit based audio coders and give a much more accurate peak output.

Michael Hallager
net trust ltd
www.networkstuff.co.nz p.09 839-1000

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#5314

From: "Gavin Stephens" <gstephens@...>
Date: Tue May 1, 2007 1:58 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Professional quality sound cards

kiwi_rock_24

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Ross pretty much hit the nail on the head.

If you're sampling say a frequency of 15KHz but only used a 15KHz sample rate in the digital to analogue converter, the digital to analogue converter will end up sampling the same point on the sine wave 360 degrees later, or right back at square one (for example every zero voltage point of the sine wave). The outcome of sampling in time with zero voltage, is zero sound. That's why the highest possible frequency is half the sample rate. For example the common CD, 44.1KHz divided by 2 = 22.05KHz of audio.

192KHz sampling gives you a frequency response up to 96KHz, which is fine for a composite stereo output in to a transmitter. I haven't come across a sound card in my travels yet that has a step between 96KHz sampling (only 48KHz highest audio frequency) and 192KHz sampling.

24 bit on top gives you a magnitude of difference in amplitude or peak voltage accuracy compared with 16 bit. So if you use a 24 bit coder it's not simply 8 times higher than 16 bit. It's a double of possible output levels for every bit. 16 Bit audio has 65536 possible values (voltages or audio levels) while 24 bit has 16777216 possible values, a huge difference. So it does less estimating when capturing or recreating a sine wave. This means a far more accurate peak level output (far less overshot that's inherant with 16 bit, which is up to 3dB even if your editingn software says 0dBFS but that's another story I've mentioned before, -3dBFS peak normalising = no distortion in the analogue output stage of domestic sound cards or cheap cd players caused by this).

So if you're considering audio processing on a PC, a 24-bit card is worth it. If you want a complete processed multiplexed stereo output, you'll need 192KHz, hence Michaels search for them. Since cards with 192KHz are 24-bit, it starts to become pointless using 16 bit audio processing anyway.

One other thing for those learning some more stuff about digital audio (I'm still learning this stuff aswell) to remember, it's worth noting it's not just increased frequency response with higher sampling rates, it's far greater resolution aswell, as the audio is being sampled more often and hence a lot more accurately reproduced.

My $1's worth today.

Gavin.

----- Original Message -----

From: MB&JD Duffy

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:47 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Professional quality sound cards

Just a question. If the most you can fit per channel is 64kb for fm in new zealand why do you need higher sampling?

Maurice

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Hallager

To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:05 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Professional quality sound cards

24-bit.

http://www.heinecke.nl/stereocoder_en.html

This is unless someone has a decent stereo hardware coder (with 15khz audio
filtering) they want to sell.
And while I am on this subject - I am not interested in crap - I've noticed
that a fair few people (no names) must be incapable of reading or they think
they can fob of their unsuited crap on "the new guy", i've been around
electronics for plenty of time - I'm not thick or stupid, so try and sucker
someone else like on Trademe or whatever....

Good on Gavin for reading the spec's and being intelligent in his reply. :-)

> What sort of coder software are you looking at for use with a pro card? 16
> or 24-bit output support? 24-bit will remove 3dB overshots associated with
> 16-bit based audio coders and give a much more accurate peak output.

Michael Hallager
net trust ltd
www.networkstuff.co.nz p.09 839-1000

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#5313

From: "Ross Levis" <ross@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:58 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Professional quality sound cards

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You mean 75khz deviation. To obtain this you need a soundcard that can handle 150khz sample rate. You always need around double the same rate to obtain half the audio frequencies. Eg. 44.1khz sample rate to get 22khz audio response.

From: LPFM_Radio@... [mailto:LPFM_Radio@...] On Behalf Of MB&JD Duffy
Sent: Monday, 30 April 2007 20:48
To: LPFM_Radio@...
Subject: Re: [LPFM] Professional quality sound cards

Just a question. If the most you can fit per channel is 64kb for fm in new zealand why do you need higher sampling?

Maurice

#5312

From: "MB&JD Duffy" <DuffyFamily@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:47 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Professional quality sound cards

DuffyFamily@...

Just a question. If the most you can fit per channel is 64kb for fm in new zealand why do you need higher sampling?

Maurice

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Hallager

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:05 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Professional quality sound cards

24-bit.

http://www.heinecke.nl/stereocoder_en.html

This is unless someone has a decent stereo hardware coder (with 15khz audio
filtering) they want to sell.
And while I am on this subject - I am not interested in crap - I've noticed
that a fair few people (no names) must be incapable of reading or they think
they can fob of their unsuited crap on "the new guy", i've been around
electronics for plenty of time - I'm not thick or stupid, so try and sucker
someone else like on Trademe or whatever....

Good on Gavin for reading the spec's and being intelligent in his reply. :-)

> What sort of coder software are you looking at for use with a pro card? 16
> or 24-bit output support? 24-bit will remove 3dB overshots associated with
> 16-bit based audio coders and give a much more accurate peak output.

Michael Hallager
net trust ltd
www.networkstuff.co.nz p.09 839-1000

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#5311

From: Michael Hallager <lpfm-list@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:05 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Professional quality sound cards

lpfm-list@...

24-bit.

http://www.heinecke.nl/stereocoder_en.html

This is unless someone has a decent stereo hardware coder (with 15khz audio
filtering) they want to sell.
And while I am on this subject - I am not interested in crap - I've noticed
that a fair few people (no names) must be incapable of reading or they think
they can fob of their unsuited crap on "the new guy", i've been around
electronics for plenty of time - I'm not thick or stupid, so try and sucker
someone else like on Trademe or whatever....

Good on Gavin for reading the spec's and being intelligent in his reply. :-)

> What sort of coder software are you looking at for use with a pro card? 16
> or 24-bit output support? 24-bit will remove 3dB overshots associated with
> 16-bit based audio coders and give a much more accurate peak output.

Michael Hallager
net trust ltd
www.networkstuff.co.nz p.09 839-1000

#5310

From: "Gavin Stephens" <gstephens@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:42 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Professional quality sound cards

kiwi_rock_24

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On a side note for the same subject:

Just about every cheap domestic PCI card I've tried including most creatives resample everything on the fly to their 48KHz internal clocks. After a few analogue dubs you can hear the artifacts of bad low pass filtering and resampling on the cheaper ones. Sound can become very tonal or chopped off square sounding. Just something to watch out for with creative cards and cheaper one's if ever using them for doing live dubs throught the sound card in to 44.1KHz. A lot times you get a better sound setting your editing software for recording analogue in 48KHz then software resampling to 44.1KHz. Some cards' noise floor is better in 48KHz for the same reason.

BTW, that was just some comments for those that don't know some of the real differences between domestic and pro cards besides balanced audio with better signal to noise. Just thought I'd drop it in there given the subject.

On Michaels note:

What sort of coder software are you looking at for use with a pro card? 16 or 24-bit output support? 24-bit will remove 3dB overshots associated with 16-bit based audio coders and give a much more accurate peak output.

I also heard you made a visit to John @ The Flea while Chris was up there. Did anyone take any photos while they were at it? Nice little digital console John. Also thanks to who mentioned Merlin Audio in the forums a while ago. I don't have anything from them but I quite like the entry level console of theirs and have it in mind for the future.

Anyone with photos of a Merlin installed?

Cheers,

Gavin.

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Hallager

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:33 PM

Subject: [LPFM] Professional quality sound cards

Hello-

I'm looking to buy a professional quality sound card like the Creative EMU
1212M PCI-
http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=237&subcategory=239&product=15759

Does anyone know where I can buy one of these, or a similar card?

NZ computer suppliers are lousy. Too much cheap consumer commodity stuff and
too little quality gear.

Card must do 192k sampling rate and have balanced connections.

Michael Hallager
Technical Manger - ZFM

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#5309

From: "Gavin Stephens" <gstephens@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:45 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Professional quality sound cards

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http://www.multimedia-music.com.au/juli@/

I think these cards are worth checking out. They are from an aussie site yes, although I think the price $299 is in AU + shipping.

They are from ESI, called the Juli@. They have a reversable PCB to allow unbalanced or balanced in and out. They will do 24-bit 192KHz. They are a good alternative to creative stuff.

Gavin.

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Hallager

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:33 PM

Subject: [LPFM] Professional quality sound cards

Hello-

I'm looking to buy a professional quality sound card like the Creative EMU
1212M PCI-
http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=237&subcategory=239&product=15759

Does anyone know where I can buy one of these, or a similar card?

NZ computer suppliers are lousy. Too much cheap consumer commodity stuff and
too little quality gear.

Card must do 192k sampling rate and have balanced connections.

Michael Hallager
Technical Manger - ZFM

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#5308

From: Michael Hallager <lpfm-list@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:38 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Professional quality sound cards

lpfm-list@...

Most Ebay sellers, if they even respond, won't ship to New Zealand or try and
rip off on postage and bank fees.

> Hey Michael, how about trying eBay?
>
> http://search.ebay.com/E-MU-1212M-PCI_W0QQfromZR40QQsatitleZEQ2dMUQ201212MQ
>20PCI

Michael Hallager
net trust ltd
www.networkstuff.co.nz p.09 839-1000

#5307

From: "Michael Rowse" <mike@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:31 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Professional quality sound cards

valdusradio

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http://search.ebay.com/E-MU-1212M-PCI_W0QQfromZR40QQsatitleZEQ2dMUQ201212MQ20PCI

Hey Michael, how about trying eBay?

On 30/04/2007 6:18:20 p.m., Michael Hallager (lpfm-list@...) wrote:
> It looks nice but it only supports upto 96kHz sampling rate.
>
> I need 192kHz sampling rate to use this sound card with stereo coder
> software.
>
> > They retail around $500NZD and I am selling them for $345NZD each. I
> have
> > to get rid of them.
> >
> > They are BRAND NEW, all books come with it, 10 input/outputs RCA, 2
> > mic/line ins. etc..
> >
> > I use one of these soundcards on air and one in my production pc for
> LFM
> > (http://www.lfmonline.org) and they sound SOOOOO awesome. Its unreal
> the
> > sound they put out.
> >
> > Here a link for more information:
> > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta1010LT-main.html

#5306

From: Michael Hallager <lpfm-list@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:18 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Professional quality sound cards

lpfm-list@...

It looks nice but it only supports upto 96kHz sampling rate.

I need 192kHz sampling rate to use this sound card with stereo coder software.

>  They retail around $500NZD and I am selling them for $345NZD each. I have
> to get rid of them.
>
>  They are BRAND NEW, all books come with it, 10 input/outputs RCA, 2
> mic/line ins. etc..
>
>  I use one of these soundcards on air and one in my production pc for LFM
> (http://www.lfmonline.org) and they sound SOOOOO awesome. Its unreal the
> sound they put out.
>
>  Here a link for more information:
> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta1010LT-main.html
>
>  Give me a ring on 0276965251 anyone interested.

#5305

From: Ethan L <Kead@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:02 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Professional quality sound cards

ethannz2003

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Hi Micheal,

I have two M-Audio delta 1010LT sound cards to sell. I bought 5 of them on ebay a month ago as a bulk order and my mate who was buying two off me could no longer afford them.

They retail around $500NZD and I am selling them for $345NZD each. I have to get rid of them.

They are BRAND NEW, all books come with it, 10 input/outputs RCA, 2 mic/line ins. etc..

I use one of these soundcards on air and one in my production pc for LFM (http://www.lfmonline.org) and they sound SOOOOO awesome. Its unreal the sound they put out.

Here a link for more information: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta1010LT-main.html

Give me a ring on 0276965251 anyone interested.

Regards
Ethan

Michael Hallager wrote:

Hello-
I'm looking to buy a professional quality sound card like the Creative EMU 1212M PCI-
http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=237&subcategory=239&product=15759
Does anyone know where I can buy one of these, or a similar card?
NZ computer suppliers are lousy. Too much cheap consumer commodity stuff and too little quality gear.
Card must do 192k sampling rate and have balanced connections.
Michael Hallager
Technical Manger - ZFM
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#5304

From: Michael Hallager <lpfm-list@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:33 am
Subject:: Professional quality sound cards

lpfm-list@...

Hello-

I'm looking to buy a professional quality sound card like the Creative EMU
1212M PCI-
http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=237&subcategory=239&produc\
t=15759

Does anyone know where I can buy one of these, or a similar card?

NZ computer suppliers are lousy. Too much cheap consumer commodity stuff and
too little quality gear.

Card must do 192k sampling rate and have balanced connections.

Michael Hallager
Technical Manger - ZFM

#5303

From: "MB&JD Duffy" <DuffyFamily@...>
Date: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:36 pm
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Re: PCS / Inter Tech DSP stereo encoders - feedback wanted

DuffyFamily@...

I have one of these I have never used as well as one of thier pro exciters and stereo encoder. I'm no engineer (radio wise that is) but I found them nasty. Dodgy eastern european components and cramped double sided boards.

----- Original Message -----

From: kixfm2002

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:03 PM

Subject: [LPFM] Re: PCS / Inter Tech DSP stereo encoders - feedback wanted

Had a look at these a few times...I thought they were in the UK but it
would appear they are in Slovenia!

--- In LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au, Michael Hallager <lpfm-list@...>
wrote:
>
> Anybody using (or used) any of the following-
>
> SE4 DSP+
> http://www.pcs-electronics.com/se4-dsp-p-307.html
>
> DIGITAL/ANALOG STEREO ENCODER
> http://www.pcs-electronics.com/digitalanalog-stereo-encoder-p-305.html
>
> LIMBO II DSP
> http://www.pcs-electronics.com/limbo-ii-dsp-p-311.html
>
> Michael
> Technical Manager - ZFM
>

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#5301

From: "kixfm2002" <brent@...>
Date: Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:03 am
Subject:: Re: PCS / Inter Tech DSP stereo encoders - feedback wanted

kixfm2002

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Had a look at these a few times...I thought they were in the UK but it
would appear they are in Slovenia!



--- In LPFM_Radio@..., Michael Hallager <lpfm-list@...>
wrote:
>
> Anybody using (or used) any of the following-
>
> SE4 DSP+
> http://www.pcs-electronics.com/se4-dsp-p-307.html
>
> DIGITAL/ANALOG STEREO ENCODER
> http://www.pcs-electronics.com/digitalanalog-stereo-encoder-p-305.html
>
> LIMBO II DSP
> http://www.pcs-electronics.com/limbo-ii-dsp-p-311.html
>
> Michael
> Technical Manager - ZFM
>

#5300

From: Michael Hallager <lpfm-list@...>
Date: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:12 am
Subject:: PCS / Inter Tech DSP stereo encoders - feedback wanted

lpfm-list@...

Anybody using (or used) any of the following-

SE4 DSP+
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DIGITAL/ANALOG STEREO ENCODER
http://www.pcs-electronics.com/digitalanalog-stereo-encoder-p-305.html

LIMBO II DSP
http://www.pcs-electronics.com/limbo-ii-dsp-p-311.html

Michael
Technical Manager - ZFM

#5299

From: "Michael Rowse" <mike@...>
Date: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:42 am
Subject:: [LPFM] Re: FM Band Plan

valdusradio

Offline

Yeah, when is this proposed change supposed to come into effect?

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "grantthoms" <studio@...> wrote:
>
> I should be pretty ok here to use any of the avail freq apart from
> 88.7.. There only appears to be one other LPFM here which is good. :)
>
> When was this change supposed to happen again?
>
>
> --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Ross Levis" <ross@> wrote:
> >
> > Me too.  I use 88.4, and another station here uses 88.7
> >
> > 88.7, 88.4, 88.2 and 88.1 are used, so I guess I'll go to 87.8, and
> the other station to 87.5, or something like that.
> >
> > This station and mine are sharing the same antenna system and we
> need at least 300khz separation for the filters.
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: grantthoms
> >   To: LPFM_Radio@...
> >   Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:18 PM
> >   Subject: [LPFM] Re: FM Band Plan
> >
> >
> >   Oh damn.. I'm .1 out (I'm on 88.4) what a hassle to change frequency
> >   for that. lol
> >
> >   Cheers,
> >   Grant
> >
> >   --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Ross Levis" <ross@> wrote:
> >   >
> >   > Based on the new RSM FM Band Plan, it appears the new LPFM
> >   frequencies will be 87.5 (or 87.6) thru to 88.3Mhz.
> >   >
> >   > At a good guess, the lowest licenced frequency allocated will be
> >   88.6. It is interesting that they will be moving the licenced
> >   frequencies around to better fit 800khz separation when they all
> >   expire in 2011. This will open up a few frequencies here in Tauranga
> >   for licences.
> >   >
> >   > Ross.
> >   .
> >
>

Reply | Forward | Messages in this Topic (3)

#5298

From: Michael Hallager <michael@...>
Date: Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:31 pm
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Re: ZFM / heritage radio

michael@...

This is no excuse.

I too operate a "special interest" website and I don't get any sponsorship.

I also don't operate my mailing list inappropriately.

> Rather than bitching and moaning, how about someone
> stepping up and offering to sponsor the Radio Heritage
> Foundation mailing lists?

Michael Hallager
net trust ltd
www.networkstuff.co.nz p.09 839-1000

#5297

From: "Graham J Barclay" <soundwavefm@...>
Date: Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:26 pm
Subject:: Re: ZFM / heritage radio

kiwi-radio

Offline

Hi Guys ( and Gals )

I personaly can vouch for David, as I have known him for
over 20 years.
I believe that ALL his intentons are honourable.

Cheers

Graham@...


--- In LPFM_Radio@..., Chris Mackerell <chris@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Dean
>
> I couldn't agree more.
>
> I've known David at the Radio Heritage Foundation for
> many more years than I care to remember. He is committed
> to preserving NZ's broadcasting history. He will not
> be on-selling your email addresses to anyone.
>
> Rather than bitching and moaning, how about someone
> stepping up and offering to sponsor the Radio Heritage
> Foundation mailing lists?
>
> David is no IT expert and I'm sure he would welcome
> an LPFM station operator stepping up with a decent offer
> of sponsorship.
>
> Relax guys - all David wants to do is make sure your
> LPFM station is still remembered in 50 year time.
>
> Cheers, Chris
>
> Groove 107.7FM wrote:
> >
> >
> > Man, relax you guys.
> > We should be flattered that people are putting the long hours in
with
> > little financial reward, if any, to promote and record the
history of
> > LPFM in general and individual stations in particular.
> > What's more, there's no charge for the service. Requesting an
email
> > address is surely reasonable for any similar organisation that
has a
> > group of people with a vested interest in what the organisation
is
> > doing. They have to get the word out somehow and you can always
> > subsequently opt out.
> >
> > (You're obviously worried about getting too much email but you've
just
> > sent all of us 5 in the last 2 days.
> > That's more than I've got from Radio Heritage in the last 2
months.)
> >
> > Dean
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
------
> > *From:* LPFM_Radio@...
> > [mailto:LPFM_Radio@...] *On Behalf Of *Geoff
Barkman
> > *Sent:* Friday, 27 April 2007 3:45 p.m.
> > *To:* LPFM_Radio@...
> > *Subject:* Re: [LPFM] Re: ZFM / heritage radio
> >
> > I'm pleased in not being alone in having problems with heritage
radio. I
> > had this very arguement about a year ago with the operator. I had
been
> > subscribed twice and got 2 copyies of all the mailings he sends
out. All
> > he has is a big long list of email addresses... he has no more
info...
> > you could be a big manager... or the cleaner (no offence to
> > cleaners...cleaners are cool people)
> >
> > To unsubscribe... the only way is to send him your email address
and say
> > stop sending me stuff.
> >
> > Ps I only get 1 copy of his messages now... and thats the address
that
> > gets all my spam... I use thunderbird and it has has awesome spam
> > filtering which you can train to look out for "certain" email
addresses.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Geoff
> >
> > Michael Hallager wrote:
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > > Hi Michael
> >  > > 1. Visit www.radioheritage.net and read 'Vision' to
understand what
> >  > > we're doing and how, as a station operator, you can play a
part in
> >  > > preserving radio heritage - if you freely choose to do so.
> >  > > 2. Read our privacy policy to answer your question about
whether we
> >  > > onsell our mailing lists. Of course we don't. Nor do we
allow access
> >  > > to them by others. Nor do we share them with others.
> >  > > 3. If people have a social conscience and wish to support
our vision,
> >  > > I'm sure they'll choose to enter a valid email address. If
they
> >  > > don't, that, of course, is also their choice. The LPFM Radio
Guide is
> >  > > just as freely available to those who choose to use false
email
> >  > > addresses.
> >  >
> >  > So what does this have to do with any technical or financial
reasons
> >  > (both of
> >  > which you claimed before) for requiring email addresses?
> >  > Or have you changed the excuse?
> >  >
> >  > Why am I on your mailing list? When and where did I opt in?
> >  >
> >  > Michael
> >  >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Chris Mackerell,  P.O. Box 2241, Wellington 6140, New Zealand
> Telephone: +64 (4) 232-4216   Fax:          +64  (4) 232-4218
> http://www.owdjim.gen.nz      Mobile & SMS: +64 (21) 238-9861
> Email: chris@...                      ICQ# 91488073
>

#5296

From: Chris Mackerell <chris@...>
Date: Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:28 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Re: ZFM / heritage radio

owdjim

Offline

Hi Dean

I couldn't agree more.

I've known David at the Radio Heritage Foundation for
many more years than I care to remember. He is committed
to preserving NZ's broadcasting history. He will not
be on-selling your email addresses to anyone.

Rather than bitching and moaning, how about someone
stepping up and offering to sponsor the Radio Heritage
Foundation mailing lists?

David is no IT expert and I'm sure he would welcome
an LPFM station operator stepping up with a decent offer
of sponsorship.

Relax guys - all David wants to do is make sure your
LPFM station is still remembered in 50 year time.

Cheers, Chris

Groove 107.7FM wrote:
>
>
> Man, relax you guys.
> We should be flattered that people are putting the long hours in with
> little financial reward, if any, to promote and record the history of
> LPFM in general and individual stations in particular.
> What's more, there's no charge for the service. Requesting an email
> address is surely reasonable for any similar organisation that has a
> group of people with a vested interest in what the organisation is
> doing. They have to get the word out somehow and you can always
> subsequently opt out.
>
> (You're obviously worried about getting too much email but you've just
> sent all of us 5 in the last 2 days.
> That's more than I've got from Radio Heritage in the last 2 months.)
>
> Dean
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* LPFM_Radio@...
> [mailto:LPFM_Radio@...] *On Behalf Of *Geoff Barkman
> *Sent:* Friday, 27 April 2007 3:45 p.m.
> *To:* LPFM_Radio@...
> *Subject:* Re: [LPFM] Re: ZFM / heritage radio
>
> I'm pleased in not being alone in having problems with heritage radio. I
> had this very arguement about a year ago with the operator. I had been
> subscribed twice and got 2 copyies of all the mailings he sends out. All
> he has is a big long list of email addresses... he has no more info...
> you could be a big manager... or the cleaner (no offence to
> cleaners...cleaners are cool people)
>
> To unsubscribe... the only way is to send him your email address and say
> stop sending me stuff.
>
> Ps I only get 1 copy of his messages now... and thats the address that
> gets all my spam... I use thunderbird and it has has awesome spam
> filtering which you can train to look out for "certain" email addresses.
>
> Cheers
> Geoff
>
> Michael Hallager wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  > > Hi Michael
>  > > 1. Visit www.radioheritage.net and read 'Vision' to understand what
>  > > we're doing and how, as a station operator, you can play a part in
>  > > preserving radio heritage - if you freely choose to do so.
>  > > 2. Read our privacy policy to answer your question about whether we
>  > > onsell our mailing lists. Of course we don't. Nor do we allow access
>  > > to them by others. Nor do we share them with others.
>  > > 3. If people have a social conscience and wish to support our vision,
>  > > I'm sure they'll choose to enter a valid email address. If they
>  > > don't, that, of course, is also their choice. The LPFM Radio Guide is
>  > > just as freely available to those who choose to use false email
>  > > addresses.
>  >
>  > So what does this have to do with any technical or financial reasons
>  > (both of
>  > which you claimed before) for requiring email addresses?
>  > Or have you changed the excuse?
>  >
>  > Why am I on your mailing list? When and where did I opt in?
>  >
>  > Michael
>  >
>
>

--
Chris Mackerell,  P.O. Box 2241, Wellington 6140, New Zealand
Telephone: +64 (4) 232-4216   Fax:          +64  (4) 232-4218
http://www.owdjim.gen.nz      Mobile & SMS: +64 (21) 238-9861
Email: chris@...                      ICQ# 91488073

#5295

From: Peter Winter <matrix1075fm@...>
Date: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:35 am
Subject:: RE: [LPFM] Re: ZFM / heritage radio

matrix1075fm

Offline

You beat me to it, Dean.
I second your comment.
Radio Heritage is doing an amazing job.
I don't understand what all this aggression is all about....

"Groove 107.7FM" <dean.c@...> wrote:

Man, relax you guys.

We should be flattered that people are putting the long hours in with little financial reward, if any, to promote and record the history of LPFM in general and individual stations in particular.

What's more, there's no charge for the service. Requesting an email address is surely reasonable for any similar organisation that has a group of people with a vested interest in what the organisation is doing. They have to get the word out somehow and you can always subsequently opt out.

(You're obviously worried about getting too much email but you've just sent all of us 5 in the last 2 days.

That's more than I've got from Radio Heritage in the last 2 months.)

Dean

From: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of Geoff Barkman
Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 3:45 p.m.
To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: ZFM / heritage radio

I'm pleased in not being alone in having problems with heritage radio. I
had this very arguement about a year ago with the operator. I had been
subscribed twice and got 2 copyies of all the mailings he sends out. All
he has is a big long list of email addresses... he has no more info...
you could be a big manager... or the cleaner (no offence to
cleaners...cleaners are cool people)

To unsubscribe... the only way is to send him your email address and say
stop sending me stuff.

Ps I only get 1 copy of his messages now... and thats the address that
gets all my spam... I use thunderbird and it has has awesome spam
filtering which you can train to look out for "certain" email addresses.

Cheers
Geoff

Michael Hallager wrote:
>
>
> > Hi Michael
> > 1. Visit www.radioheritage.net and read 'Vision' to understand what
> > we're doing and how, as a station operator, you can play a part in
> > preserving radio heritage - if you freely choose to do so.
> > 2. Read our privacy policy to answer your question about whether we
> > onsell our mailing lists. Of course we don't. Nor do we allow access
> > to them by others. Nor do we share them with others.
> > 3. If people have a social conscience and wish to support our vision,
> > I'm sure they'll choose to enter a valid email address. If they
> > don't, that, of course, is also their choice. The LPFM Radio Guide is
> > just as freely available to those who choose to use false email
> > addresses.
>
> So what does this have to do with any technical or financial reasons
> (both of
> which you claimed before) for requiring email addresses?
> Or have you changed the excuse?
>
> Why am I on your mailing list? When and where did I opt in?
>
> Michael
>

Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.

#5294

From: "Groove 107.7FM" <dean.c@...>
Date: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:43 am
Subject:: RE: [LPFM] Re: ZFM / heritage radio

groove_crew

Offline

Man, relax you guys.

We should be flattered that people are putting the long hours in with little financial reward, if any, to promote and record the history of LPFM in general and individual stations in particular.

What's more, there's no charge for the service. Requesting an email address is surely reasonable for any similar organisation that has a group of people with a vested interest in what the organisation is doing. They have to get the word out somehow and you can always subsequently opt out.

(You're obviously worried about getting too much email but you've just sent all of us 5 in the last 2 days.

That's more than I've got from Radio Heritage in the last 2 months.)

Dean

From: LPFM_Radio@... [mailto:LPFM_Radio@...] On Behalf Of Geoff Barkman
Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 3:45 p.m.
To: LPFM_Radio@...
Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: ZFM / heritage radio

I'm pleased in not being alone in having problems with heritage radio. I
had this very arguement about a year ago with the operator. I had been
subscribed twice and got 2 copyies of all the mailings he sends out. All
he has is a big long list of email addresses... he has no more info...
you could be a big manager... or the cleaner (no offence to
cleaners...cleaners are cool people)

To unsubscribe... the only way is to send him your email address and say
stop sending me stuff.

Ps I only get 1 copy of his messages now... and thats the address that
gets all my spam... I use thunderbird and it has has awesome spam
filtering which you can train to look out for "certain" email addresses.

Cheers
Geoff

Michael Hallager wrote:
>
>
> > Hi Michael
> > 1. Visit www.radioheritage.net and read 'Vision' to understand what
> > we're doing and how, as a station operator, you can play a part in
> > preserving radio heritage - if you freely choose to do so.
> > 2. Read our privacy policy to answer your question about whether we
> > onsell our mailing lists. Of course we don't. Nor do we allow access
> > to them by others. Nor do we share them with others.
> > 3. If people have a social conscience and wish to support our vision,
> > I'm sure they'll choose to enter a valid email address. If they
> > don't, that, of course, is also their choice. The LPFM Radio Guide is
> > just as freely available to those who choose to use false email
> > addresses.
>
> So what does this have to do with any technical or financial reasons
> (both of
> which you claimed before) for requiring email addresses?
> Or have you changed the excuse?
>
> Why am I on your mailing list? When and where did I opt in?
>
> Michael
>

#5293

From: Geoff Barkman <barknet@...>
Date: Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:44 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Re: ZFM / heritage radio

Mad_Milkie

Offline

I'm pleased in not being alone in having problems with heritage radio. I
had this very arguement about a year ago with the operator. I had been
subscribed twice and got 2 copyies of all the mailings he sends out. All
he has is a big long list of email addresses... he has no more info...
you could be a big manager... or the cleaner (no offence to
cleaners...cleaners are cool people)

To unsubscribe... the only way is to send him your email address and say
stop sending me stuff.

Ps I only get 1 copy of his messages now... and thats the address that
gets all my spam... I use thunderbird and it has has awesome spam
filtering which you can train to look out for "certain" email addresses.

Cheers
Geoff

Michael Hallager wrote:
>
>
> > Hi Michael
> > 1. Visit www.radioheritage.net and read 'Vision' to understand what
> > we're doing and how, as a station operator, you can play a part in
> > preserving radio heritage - if you freely choose to do so.
> > 2. Read our privacy policy to answer your question about whether we
> > onsell our mailing lists. Of course we don't. Nor do we allow access
> > to them by others. Nor do we share them with others.
> > 3. If people have a social conscience and wish to support our vision,
> > I'm sure they'll choose to enter a valid email address. If they
> > don't, that, of course, is also their choice. The LPFM Radio Guide is
> > just as freely available to those who choose to use false email
> > addresses.
>
> So what does this have to do with any technical or financial reasons
> (both of
> which you claimed before) for requiring email addresses?
> Or have you changed the excuse?
>
> Why am I on your mailing list? When and where did I opt in?
>
> Michael
>

#5292

From: Michael Hallager <lpfm-list@...>
Date: Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:55 am
Subject:: Re: ZFM / heritage radio

lpfm-list@...

> 2. It's also self-evident that a charity would make contact with
> people who may - in its opinion - be likely to support its vision and
> activities. In this case, to provide information about their station
> for a guide that can be used by stations, listeners, and those
> interested in studying the history of radio in NZ.

The appropriate protocol is to send them one email and ASK FIRST.

Not just add someone and assume it will be allright.

Then compound it by making up crap excuses about cookies and your site not
being able to support itself without people's email addresses.

Michael
Technical Manager, ZFM

#5291

From: Michael Hallager <michael@...>
Date: Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:47 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Re: ZFM / heritage radio

michael@...

Dave has already been given ample opportunity to explain himself, or apologise
to the list, and has failed to do so. I sent him a list of questions and he
responded with irrelevant answers, a copy of the email has already been
forwarded to the list, though I will attach it below.

I request the moderator to warn or suspend him.

I am currently deciding whether to take further action under our AUP and block
his email from our network, and all of our ISP customers networks.

If anyone else is receiving his email without having subscribed, could they
please contact me.

> I can't say I've been back to the heritage site since my last visit when I
> was asked for an email address.
>
> I have noticed though, that my newer orcon address has been subscribed to
> the heritage mailings without my visiting the site since I've had this
> address nore submitted it to be part of a mailing list. I was rather
> frustrated when I was receiving two copies, one of which I certainly didn't
> subscribe to.

Michael Hallager
net trust ltd
www.networkstuff.co.nz p.09 839-1000

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Michael
1. Visit www.radioheritage.net and read 'Vision' to understand what
we're doing and how, as a station operator, you can play a part in
preserving radio heritage - if you freely choose to do so.
2. Read our privacy policy to answer your question about whether we
onsell our mailing lists. Of course we don't. Nor do we allow access
to them by others. Nor do we share them with others.
3. If people have a social conscience and wish to support our vision,
I'm sure they'll choose to enter a valid email address. If they
don't, that, of course, is also their choice. The LPFM Radio Guide is
just as freely available to those who choose to use false email
addresses.
Again, good luck with ZFM and thanks for your thoughtful comments.
Cheers, Dave


---- Original Message ----
From: lpfm-list@...
To: info@..., LPFM_Radio@...
Subject: Re: ZFM / heritage radio
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:02:55 +1200

>
>> All we ask is that people who use the information provide us with
>> their email address so that we can send them information about our
>> radio heritage activities from time to time.
>
>It appears that you're sending it to us all anyway - even though I
>and others
>haven't subscribed.
>
>> Our other options are to charge a membership fee that provides
>> unlimited access without entering an email address - instead using
>a
>> password. Or, to charge a fee per download. Or to plant cookies in
>> the guide.
>
>Could you kindly explain the following-
>
>1. In what way does us providing you with a compulsary e-mail address
>make
>your site any more financially viable, without which you would have
>to 'charge or die'. Is this because you are onselling e-mail
>addresses?
>
>2. You are already using session ID's, aka cookies. In what way does
>the use
>(or lack thereof) contribute to your site apart from avoiding having
>to URL
>encode the session ID?
>
>3. Should I, or any other station owner, be placing stipulations on
>YOU as to
>how you can use our information and content, without which your site
>would
>amount to nothing?
>From what I can tell from a very brief look - you have little if any
>ORIGINAL
>content of your own, you're just running a portal site to put some
>others
>disparate content and information together. Please do not fool
>yourself into
>believing that this amounts to anything so valuable or unique that it
>can't
>be duplicated by anyone with the interest in doing so. (while I
>congratulate
>you for effort and time, just keep in mind most or all of it is not
>your
>content)
>
>> These approaches run counter to our policy of providing free access
>> to our content.
>
>In my humble opinion your "approaches" as you put it amount to
>marketing
>gobbledygook. Please do not assume that because we're radio people we
>aren't
>internet savvy. My day job is setting up and managing the systems
>that host
>websites and transfer your email.
>
>> It's very reasonable to ask those who use the service for free to
>be
>> willing to accept emails from us from time to time and to have the
>> freedom to choose.
>
>A freedom that they will most undoubtedly choose to exercise by
>filling your
>database with bogus email addresses.
>
>Michael Hallager
>Technical Manager, ZFM

#5290

From: "Gavin Stephens" <gstephens@...>
Date: Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:22 am
Subject:: Re: [LPFM] Re: ZFM / heritage radio

kiwi_rock_24

Offline

I can't say I've been back to the heritage site since my last visit when I was asked for an email address.

I have noticed though, that my newer orcon address has been subscribed to the heritage mailings without my visiting the site since I've had this address nore submitted it to be part of a mailing list. I was rather frustrated when I was receiving two copies, one of which I certainly didn't subscribe to.

Gavin.

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Hallager

To: info@... ; LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 11:14 AM

Subject: [LPFM] Re: ZFM / heritage radio

> Hi Michael
> 1. Visit www.radioheritage.net and read 'Vision' to understand what
> we're doing and how, as a station operator, you can play a part in
> preserving radio heritage - if you freely choose to do so.
> 2. Read our privacy policy to answer your question about whether we
> onsell our mailing lists. Of course we don't. Nor do we allow access
> to them by others. Nor do we share them with others.
> 3. If people have a social conscience and wish to support our vision,
> I'm sure they'll choose to enter a valid email address. If they
> don't, that, of course, is also their choice. The LPFM Radio Guide is
> just as freely available to those who choose to use false email
> addresses.

So what does this have to do with any technical or financial reasons (both of
which you claimed before) for requiring email addresses?
Or have you changed the excuse?

Why am I on your mailing list? When and where did I opt in?

Michael

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#5289

From: Michael Hallager <lpfm-list@...>
Date: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:14 pm
Subject:: Re: ZFM / heritage radio

lpfm-list@...

> Hi Michael
> 1. Visit www.radioheritage.net and read 'Vision' to understand what
> we're doing and how, as a station operator, you can play a part in
> preserving radio heritage - if you freely choose to do so.
> 2. Read our privacy policy to answer your question about whether we
> onsell our mailing lists. Of course we don't. Nor do we allow access
> to them by others. Nor do we share them with others.
> 3. If people have a social conscience and wish to support our vision,
> I'm sure they'll choose to enter a valid email address. If they
> don't, that, of course, is also their choice. The LPFM Radio Guide is
> just as freely available to those who choose to use false email
> addresses.

So what does this have to do with any technical or financial reasons (both of
which you claimed before) for requiring email addresses?
Or have you changed the excuse?

Why am I on your mailing list? When and where did I opt in?

Michael