----- Original Message -----

From: averagesteward

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 4:54 PM

Subject: [LPFM] Re: Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed

Hi all,
Sounds ok to blame the "god-botherers" lol, just don't blame God - He
probably was not even asked for his permission and he certainly would
not have given it. I'm a christian and I sometimes use the FM band for
localised translation purposes but I always careful to check first
that what I do won't cause any other transmission a problem. It really
bothers me when I hear of Christians doing such things.
Stewart

--- In LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au, "ceejay7777" <ceejay7777@...> wrote:
>
> Ah, that's the god-botherers for you .. think they have some kind of
> "divine" right.
>
> --- In LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au, "Denis Wadsworth" <mxpress@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Herb
> >
> > As the effected party, I'll fill you in on the details. The
> Christian station set up on 106.9 and effectively wiped out a large
> part of our listening audience by doing so. They also similarly
> effected another station on 107.1 but the absentee operators don't
> appear to be aware of this so far.
>

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Hi all,
Sounds ok to blame the "god-botherers" lol, just don't blame God - He
probably was not even asked for his permission and he certainly would
not have given it. I'm a christian and I sometimes use the FM band for
localised translation purposes but I always careful to check first
that what I do won't cause any other transmission a problem. It really
bothers me when I hear of Christians doing such things.
Stewart

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "ceejay7777" <ceejay7777@...> wrote:
>
> Ah, that's the god-botherers for you .. think they have some kind of
> "divine" right.
>
> --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Denis Wadsworth" <mxpress@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Herb
> >
> > As the effected party, I'll fill you in on the details.   The
> Christian station set up on 106.9 and effectively wiped out a large
> part of our listening audience by doing so. They also similarly
> effected another station on 107.1 but the absentee operators don't
> appear to be aware of this so far.
>

Ah, that's the god-botherers for you .. think they have some kind of
"divine" right.

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Denis Wadsworth" <mxpress@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Herb
>
> As the effected party, I'll fill you in on the details.   The
Christian station set up on 106.9 and effectively wiped out a large
part of our listening audience by doing so. They also similarly
effected another station on 107.1 but the absentee operators don't
appear to be aware of this so far.
> I contacted 106.9 and informed them what was happening. I also
pointed out that I was also 'blocking' a large potential audience for
them, so it was a doubled sided blade. I recommended they move to an
another available frequency (107.7) that was out of harms way for
everyone. They absolutely refused and a stalemate situation developed.
In desperation I raised the finance and prepared to purchase the
additional equipment required to simulcast on 107.7 with my plan being
to phase out broadcasting on 106.7 once it was established and the
audience adjusted to the new frequency. On the day I was going to
order the new gear, 106.9 also starting simulcasting on 107.7.  The
reason being was to get better coverage as I was 'blocking' them as
earlier pointed out. All they had to do was adjust their frequency in
the first place and all would have been solved, not to add another TX.
  So my situation remained unchanged.   There is also no where else
left that I can move to.At that point the local newspaper got wind of
it and the rest is history.  Unresolved I might add in spite of a
follow up article which suggested otherwise. So there you have it.
>
> Cheers
> Denis
> 106.7 FM
> New Plymouth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Herb
>   To: LPFM_Radio@...
>   Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:05 PM
>   Subject: [LPFM] Re: Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed
>
>
>   Ahhh, such is the nature of LPFM...
>
>   IMHO he's doing nothing wrong legally. Morally? Prolly not either.
>
>   Me thinks that's the risk you take being on LPFM. Want security? Do
>   some research and, if possible, have a frequency engineered for your
>   situation.
>
>   Whatever happens, I hope the crowd on 106.7 don't resort to getting a
>   higher powered tx. That'll only make it worse for them and LPFM as a
>   whole. Maybe they should move elsewhere?
>
>   Herb.
>
>   --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Peter Shaw" <akwccr@> wrote:
>   >
>   > FYI, this email sent out to the LPFM distribution group:
>   >
>   > To: LPFM Group2
>   > Subject: (fwd) Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed -
>   > 20081014-One Christian Radio upsetting LPFM Broadcaster in New
Plymouth
>   > From: P R Shaw
>   > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:46:34 +1300
>   >
>   > From the virtual pen of Society member Ray Mankelow, a reference to
>   > this interesting article about an LPFM dispute in New Plymouth. It
>   > appears to be quite a bitter dispute that is taking place there.
>   >
>   > Article is at the link below; the text from the article is copied
>   > after that.
>   >
>   > The pertinent point amid all the rhetoric lies in these two
paragraphs:
>   >
>   >
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>   > "Ministry of Economic Development Radio Spectrum Management
compliance
>   > manager Chris Brennan said the terms of the low-powered FM licence
>   > clearly stated there was no interference protection and two stations
>   > could broadcast on exactly the same frequency if they wanted.
>   >
>   > He said they tried to encourage a level of co-ordination among
>   > stations, but that co-ordination appeared to have failed in New
>   Plymouth."
>   >
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>   >
>   > I pass this onto all you LPFM folk for your interest.
>   >
>   >
>   > BRgds,
>   > Peter
>   >
>   > TSOLPFMBI Secretary
>   > ___________________
>   >
>   > On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:18:49 +1300, "Ray Mankelow" wrote:
>   >
>   > >http://www.stuff.co.nz/dailynews/4726091a6002.html
>   > >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>   >
>   >
>   > 2008104-One Christian Radio upsetting LPFM Broadcaster in New
Plymouth
>   >
======================================================================
>   >
>   >
>   > Tune in, turn on, get miffed
>   > By MATT RILKOFF matt.rilkoff@ - Taranaki Daily News |
>   > Tuesday, 14 October 2008
>   > Email a Friend | Printable View | Have Your Say
>   > MIKE SCOTT
>   >
>   > New Plymouth's Rose Proctor has two-stepped to easy-listening radio
>   > station 106.7FM for almost three years, but can no longer tune into
>   > the frequency, which is allegedly being overpowered by newly started
>   > One Christian Radio on 106.9FM.
>   > Related Links
>   > Subscribe to Archivestuff
>   > Have your say
>   >
>   > Stormtroopers, threatening phone calls and a lovelorn pensioner all
>   > feature prominently in an almighty battle around free radio
>   > frequencies in New Plymouth.
>   >
>   > The usually placid airwaves of the city's free low powered FM
stations
>   > have turned treacherous since One Christian Radio began pumping out
>   > tunes in August on the 106.9FM frequency.
>   >
>   > Denis Wadsworth says his low-powered station, 106.7FM, two "clicks"
>   > away from 106.9, is being overpowered by the Christian broadcaster,
>   > leaving his central city listeners with static where once they heard
>   > his personally chosen tunes.
>   >
>   > Mr Wadsworth says his Oriental St station has been broadcasting for
>   > just over 2 1/2 years and was listened to by taxi drivers, rest home
>   > residents and older people who appreciated the old style music and
>   > absence of advertising.
>   >
>   > "An old lady came up to me. She said I can't get your radio station
>   > anymore because of those bloody Christians," said Mr Wadsworth.
>   >
>   > He said if One Christian Radio changed its frequency to 107FM their
>   > competing signals would not overpower each other but the new station
>   > has refused to do so. "They can spread their good word. I don't
give a
>   > damn about that but these guys are acting more like
stormtroopers than
>   > disciples," Mr Wadsworth said.
>   >
>   > One Christian Radio managing director James Cope said the Liardet St
>   > station was doing nothing wrong or illegal by broadcasting on the
>   > 106.9 frequency, which had been chosen in accordance with expert
>   > advice. "I was in HR (human resources) for 35 years. I do everything
>   > by the book."
>   >
>   > He said he was disappointed some people wanted to disrupt what he
>   > described as a community station and claimed an anonymous phone call
>   > by a hungover man proved Mr Wadsworth was out to get him.
>   >
>   > "This is fact. He (Mr Wadsworth) said to guys over a bunch of beers
>   > that we're going to find a way to bring down One Christian Radio."
>   >
>   > He said other callers had questioned whether he was acting in a
manner
>   > befitting a Christian.
>   >
>   > Mr Wadsworth said he was not responsible for what other people had
>   > said and would never have condoned such phone calls.
>   >
>   > However, he said he had passed Mr Cope's contact details on to some
>   > disgruntled listen-ers.
>   >
>   > Regardless of who is right in this CBD melee Liardet St
pensioner Rose
>   > Procter, 82, is having to do without American tenor and
Hollywood hunk
>   > Mario Lanza.
>   >
>   > She says the now dead singer is the love of her life and the only
>   > radio station on which she could hear his powerfully masculine voice
>   > was on 106.7FM.
>   >
>   > "I'm dead miserable," she said.
>   >
>   > Ministry of Economic Development Radio Spectrum Management
compliance
>   > manager Chris Brennan said the terms of the low-powered FM licence
>   > clearly stated there was no interference protection and two stations
>   > could broadcast on exactly the same frequency if they wanted.
>   >
>   > He said they tried to encourage a level of co-ordination among
>   > stations, but that co-ordination appeared to have failed in New
>   Plymouth.
>   >
>   > ------------------------------
>   >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Herb

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:05 PM

Subject: [LPFM] Re: Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed

Ahhh, such is the nature of LPFM...

IMHO he's doing nothing wrong legally. Morally? Prolly not either.

Me thinks that's the risk you take being on LPFM. Want security? Do
some research and, if possible, have a frequency engineered for your
situation.

Whatever happens, I hope the crowd on 106.7 don't resort to getting a
higher powered tx. That'll only make it worse for them and LPFM as a
whole. Maybe they should move elsewhere?

Herb.

--- In LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au, "Peter Shaw" <akwccr@...> wrote:
>
> FYI, this email sent out to the LPFM distribution group:
>
> To: LPFM Group2
> Subject: (fwd) Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed -
> 20081014-One Christian Radio upsetting LPFM Broadcaster in New Plymouth
> From: P R Shaw
> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:46:34 +1300
>
> From the virtual pen of Society member Ray Mankelow, a reference to
> this interesting article about an LPFM dispute in New Plymouth. It
> appears to be quite a bitter dispute that is taking place there.
>
> Article is at the link below; the text from the article is copied
> after that.
>
> The pertinent point amid all the rhetoric lies in these two paragraphs:
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> "Ministry of Economic Development Radio Spectrum Management compliance
> manager Chris Brennan said the terms of the low-powered FM licence
> clearly stated there was no interference protection and two stations
> could broadcast on exactly the same frequency if they wanted.
>
> He said they tried to encourage a level of co-ordination among
> stations, but that co-ordination appeared to have failed in New
Plymouth."
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> I pass this onto all you LPFM folk for your interest.
>
>
> BRgds,
> Peter
>
> TSOLPFMBI Secretary
> ___________________
>
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:18:49 +1300, "Ray Mankelow" wrote:
>
> >http://www.stuff.co.nz/dailynews/4726091a6002.html
> >
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> 2008104-One Christian Radio upsetting LPFM Broadcaster in New Plymouth
> ======================================================================
>
>
> Tune in, turn on, get miffed
> By MATT RILKOFF matt.rilkoff@... - Taranaki Daily News |
> Tuesday, 14 October 2008
> Email a Friend | Printable View | Have Your Say
> MIKE SCOTT
>
> New Plymouth's Rose Proctor has two-stepped to easy-listening radio
> station 106.7FM for almost three years, but can no longer tune into
> the frequency, which is allegedly being overpowered by newly started
> One Christian Radio on 106.9FM.
> Related Links
> Subscribe to Archivestuff
> Have your say
>
> Stormtroopers, threatening phone calls and a lovelorn pensioner all
> feature prominently in an almighty battle around free radio
> frequencies in New Plymouth.
>
> The usually placid airwaves of the city's free low powered FM stations
> have turned treacherous since One Christian Radio began pumping out
> tunes in August on the 106.9FM frequency.
>
> Denis Wadsworth says his low-powered station, 106.7FM, two "clicks"
> away from 106.9, is being overpowered by the Christian broadcaster,
> leaving his central city listeners with static where once they heard
> his personally chosen tunes.
>
> Mr Wadsworth says his Oriental St station has been broadcasting for
> just over 2 1/2 years and was listened to by taxi drivers, rest home
> residents and older people who appreciated the old style music and
> absence of advertising.
>
> "An old lady came up to me. She said I can't get your radio station
> anymore because of those bloody Christians," said Mr Wadsworth.
>
> He said if One Christian Radio changed its frequency to 107FM their
> competing signals would not overpower each other but the new station
> has refused to do so. "They can spread their good word. I don't give a
> damn about that but these guys are acting more like stormtroopers than
> disciples," Mr Wadsworth said.
>
> One Christian Radio managing director James Cope said the Liardet St
> station was doing nothing wrong or illegal by broadcasting on the
> 106.9 frequency, which had been chosen in accordance with expert
> advice. "I was in HR (human resources) for 35 years. I do everything
> by the book."
>
> He said he was disappointed some people wanted to disrupt what he
> described as a community station and claimed an anonymous phone call
> by a hungover man proved Mr Wadsworth was out to get him.
>
> "This is fact. He (Mr Wadsworth) said to guys over a bunch of beers
> that we're going to find a way to bring down One Christian Radio."
>
> He said other callers had questioned whether he was acting in a manner
> befitting a Christian.
>
> Mr Wadsworth said he was not responsible for what other people had
> said and would never have condoned such phone calls.
>
> However, he said he had passed Mr Cope's contact details on to some
> disgruntled listen-ers.
>
> Regardless of who is right in this CBD melee Liardet St pensioner Rose
> Procter, 82, is having to do without American tenor and Hollywood hunk
> Mario Lanza.
>
> She says the now dead singer is the love of her life and the only
> radio station on which she could hear his powerfully masculine voice
> was on 106.7FM.
>
> "I'm dead miserable," she said.
>
> Ministry of Economic Development Radio Spectrum Management compliance
> manager Chris Brennan said the terms of the low-powered FM licence
> clearly stated there was no interference protection and two stations
> could broadcast on exactly the same frequency if they wanted.
>
> He said they tried to encourage a level of co-ordination among
> stations, but that co-ordination appeared to have failed in New
Plymouth.
>
> ------------------------------
>

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Here is some recent discussion on digital broadcasting in the Society
Of Low Power FM Broadcasters Incorporated email list:

To: LPFM Group1
Subject: DIGITAL TRANSMISSIONS ON LPFM  [LOW POWER FM - UPDATE: power
change to the LPFM general user licence]
From: P Shaw
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:26:49 +1300

DIGITAL MODULATION ON THE LPFM FREQUENCIES
==========================================

  - you can't do it at this time.

Chris Brennan, Manager Northern Regional Services, Radio Spectrum
Management, has kindly responded with clarification of the current
situation regarding the LPFM GURL regulations, which I am sure will be
of interest to you:


On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:18:51 +1300, "Chris Brennan"
<Chris.Brennan@...> wrote:

Hello Peter

Thanks for the opportunity to stay up-to-date with LPFM happenings.

In regard to the opportunity to use digital modulation on the LPFM
frequencies, while RSM endeavours to stay technology-neutral in
planning spectrum use, there can be compatibility issues arising from
a mix of digital and analogue techniques in the same frequency area.

The present General User licence specifies a permitted emission
designation of 256KF8EHF for stereo transmission and 180KF3EGN for
mono. The F8E part of the stereo designation applies to "two or more
channels containing analogue information, for telephony", while F3E
indicates "a single channel containing analogue information, for
telephony". Note that telephony includes sound broadcasting.

Accordingly, as your member Steve has suggested below, the licence
does not allow digital information to be broadcast.

I have copied this message to Brian Miller, Manager Radio Spectrum
Policy & Planning, to indicate the Society's interest in digital
broadcasting.

Regards... Chris


-----Original Message-----
From: P Shaw
Sent: Thursday, 16 October 2008 1:09 p.m.
To: Radio Reading Service
Cc: Chris Brennan; Dave Dingley; Peter Shaw; Richard Phelps; Paul
Clapshaw; Jarra Borman; Les Dixon; Murray Woodfield; Ray Mankelow; Ray
Mankelow; Owen Dawe - Station Manager; Owen Dawe; Stuart Morley -
Twisted; Stuart Morley - Twisted
Subject: Re: LOW POWER FM - UPDATE: power change to the LPFM general
user licence

Thanks Steve. I haven't considered the ramifications yet, so it would
be useful to have an opinion from Chris himself. I've copied this
email to him.

Hello Chris,

I wonder if you are able to offer an opinion on whether digital
broadcasting on LPFM frequencies is allowable under the GURL.

Hope you are well!

Best wishes,
Peter

Peter Shaw
Secretary
The Society of Low Power FM Broadcasters Incorporated Auckland New
Zealand


On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:03:51 +1300, you wrote:

>Peter
>
>Looking at the Emission Designator in the GURL  for LPFM it does
>seem to be analogue only   !!!
>
>Steve
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "P Shaw"
>To: "The Cheese" <studio@...>
>Cc: <LPFM Distribution>
>Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 12:31 PM
>Subject: Re: LOW POWER FM - UPDATE: power change to the LPFM general
>user licence
>
>
>Hi Grant,
>
>We did have a presentation from Chris Brennan from RSM earlier on
this year which was useful. I video'd the whole thing with the
intention of distributing it via something like YouTube, but as
always, the problem is finding the time to process it. I would still
like to do it.
>
>Actually, I don't know that are any limitations to someone using an
>LPFM frequency for digital broadcasts as long as you still comply
with the GURL.
>This is something we could discuss. The problem would be: how many
>listeners would have receivers, and the cost of the equipment. I know
of no "hobbyist" type equipment for digital broadcasting; I think you
would have to front up for commercial gear, and it wouldn't be cheap.
>
>You're right, you can transmit the normal analogue channel, plus
three digital channels on the one frequency.
>
>Perhaps we need to find out what the current situation is, and put
out a bulletin.
>
>BRgds,
>Peter
>
>TSOLPFMBI Secretary
>
>=================================================================
>| Peter Shaw, Auckland, New Zealand     (City of Sails)         |
>|                           _                  |                |
>|   [:^)                  o( )                 |\               |
>|                        /  /\           ~~~~\#####]~~~~        |
>=================================================================
>
>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:41:42 +1300, you wrote:
>
>>Hi Peter,
>>
>>If only there was some public discussion with regards to where
digital radio testing is at.  There was mention of this several months
back (two different delivery methods from memory) but now all has gone
quiet.
>>
>>If digital radio got off the ground and LPFM could also utilise it
>>then that could help alleviate the issues also with squabbles over
frequencies.
>>I think digital radio allows more than one station on a frequency.
>>
>>Which makes me wonder, if they are actually any LPFM 'hobbyist'
>>transmitter devices for such a task should anything like that ever
be considered.
>>I assume for something like frequency-sharing on a Digital Radio
>>frequency would require all the stations to send their audio to a
>>central point to be muxed together and broadcast out.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Grant
>>
>>
>>P R Shaw wrote:
>>> To all LPFM folk,
>>>
>>> Here is a link to a posting on the Yahoo LPFM discussion group which

>>> I thought worthy of bringing to your attention:
>>>
>>> http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LPFM_Radio/message/5793
>>>
>>> In it, Brian Miller, Manager Radio Spectrum Policy and Planning,
Ministry of Economic Development, responds to an inquiry made by Allen
J Little regarding the "proposed changes to Low Power FM (LPFM)
General User licence to allow the effective radiated power to be
increased to 1 Watt.", and Allen responds.
>>>
>>> It is relevant to us, because there a lot of interest in the
possibility of being allowed to broadcast at a higher power.
>>>
>>> "Wow!", most broadcasters think, "that would be great; just think
of the extra coverage we will get".
>>>
>>> There are a couple of points worth noting about this:
>>> 1. Doubling the power does *not* double your coverage. In fact, to
achieve a doubling of coverage requires something like TEN times the
power, mainly because the signal radiates in a three dimensional space
from a point source, modified by the type of mast (a dipole radiates a
doughnut type pattern with the nulls in the direction of the length of
dipole itself). With the increase in power come other problems, such
as heat dissipation in the transmitter, higher risk of causing
interference, and a higher risk of damage to the transmitter due to
reflected power if the transmission line is not properly matched. That
is to say, at higher powers, proper engineering of a setup that can
get by at half a watt becomes far more important.
>>>
>>> 2. Increasing your power where there are other broadcasts in the
same geographical area can make things worse! When there are stations
using the same, or a close frequency in a heavily populated areas
(Auckland, Hamilton, Wellington etc.), separated by some nominal
distance, say 4 Km, they can both reach their local audience, but at
some point between them there is a "mush zone" where neither signal
dominates, and the result is "mush". If both stations are broadcasting
at the current 500mW EIRP, then that zone will be roughly half way
between them, and won't be too wide. However, increasing the power can
have the effect of making that mush zone much bigger, so that both
broadcasts are in fact worse off.
>>>
>>> So there's some food for thought, and with it the possibility that
we may see increased power limits sometime in the not too distant
future, which will no doubt benefit many, and cause additional
problems for many others.
>>>
>>> BRgds,
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> TSOLPFMBI Secretary
>>>
>>>
>>> =================================================================
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To: LPFM Group1
Subject: (fwd) FW: Low Power Christian Station - ONE CHRISTIAN RADIO
in New Plymouth
From: P Shaw
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:55:01 +1300
Cc: Chris Brennan <Chris.Brennan@...>

For completeness, here courtesy of Ray Mankelow is the first article
relating to the new LPFM station in New Plymouth that subsequently led
to a bitter dispute, now apparently partially resolved.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dailynews/4717124a6554.html

-P.

TSOLPFMBI Secretary



On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:32:55 +1300, "Peter Shaw"
<Peter.Shaw@...> wrote:

>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: Ray Mankelow [mailto:ray.mankelow@...]
>Sent: Monday, 6 October 2008 20:58
>To: Peter Shaw; Dave Dingley
>Subject: Fwd: Low Power Christian Station
>
>
>Couldn't remember your email addresses from work ...
>
>--
>From: Ray Mankelow <RayMankelow@...>
>Date: Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 3:25 PM
>Subject: Low Power Christian Station
>To: ray.mankelow@...
>
>
>
>Christian radio set to rock the airwaves
>
>http://www.stuff.co.nz/dailynews/4717124a6554.html

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
20081006-Christian radio set to rock the airwaves
=================================================

Christian radio set to rock the airwaves
By FELICITY ROOKES felicity.rookes@... - Taranaki Daily News |
Monday, 06 October 2008
Email a Friend | Printable View | Have Your Say
CAMERON BURNELL/Taranaki Daily News

One Christian Radio managing director James Cope is looking forward to
involving the community in the new station.
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James Cope is bringing his faith to New Plymouth airwaves.

The Ohio native and the Taranaki Christian Media Trust began
broadcasts from their One Christian Radio station in late August, but
plan to get bigger.

Mr Cope says the trust has big plans for the low frequency station,
including youth announcers and Sunday sermons for those unable to get
to church.

"We are faith-based, non-profit and will be very much involved with
community issues. We will have a variety of music from hymns to
christian rock," says Mr Cope, who is the managing director.

One Christian Radio, on frequency 106.9, reaches about 75 per cent of
the city.

"The trust has been talking to several churches about participation
and, as the station will be run by volunteers, we will have youth
workers coming in where they will get a chance to talk on air and play
christian rock for the younger listeners," Mr Cope says.

He says so far the station has received a positive response and as
development of the station progresses they will add more shows.

"We want to start promoting concerts and begin to feature local
artists. There is so much talent in Taranaki."

One Christian Radio is not commercial and Mr Cope says they have some
sponsors but are seeking more.

"Music cheers us up, reaches out to us, lifts the spirit and prepares
people for the world.

"We want to provide a community station for all types of people and
for all moods."

The station is different from any other and the listeners will be
different as well, says Mr Cope.

"We want to play a part in the community and add to the enrichment of
New Plymouth. We want to make a difference."


***END***
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

To: LPFM Group1
Subject: FOLLOWUP - (fwd) RE: Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get
miffed - 20081014-One Christian Radio upsetting LPFM Broadcaster in
New Plymouth
From: P Shaw
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:27:39 +1300
Cc: Chris Brennan <Chris.Brennan@...>

"New Plymouth's low-powered radio frequency boil-over has cooled down
to a simmer."

From the ever vigilant Ray Mankelow, episode two in the Taranaki feud:

Click on the link below for more on this saga. The text from the
article is copied after that.

BRgds,
Peter

TSOLPFMBI Secretary


On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:26:43 +1300, "Ray Mankelow"
<RayMankelow@...> wrote:

>More on the same story - a follow up and conflict resolution and all...
>
>http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/dailynews/4727189a6554.html
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: P R Shaw [mailto:pshaw@...]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:46 PM
>To: LPFM Distribution
>Cc: Chris Brennan
>Subject: (fwd) Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed - 20081014-One
>Christian Radio upsetting LPFM Broadcaster in New Plymouth

---SNIP---

***

20081015-Support for feuding radio stations
===========================================

Support for feuding radio stations
By MATT RILKOFF matt.rilkoff@... - Taranaki Daily News |
Wednesday, 15 October 2008
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New Plymouth's low-powered radio frequency boil-over has cooled down
to a simmer.

Amateur radio DJ Denis Wadsworth yesterday hotly accused a new
Christian radio station, One Christian Radio 106.9, of overpowering
his 106.7 frequency and robbing his listeners of his older style tunes.

James Cope of 106.9 said both he and Mr Wadsworth knew he was doing
nothing illegal and the frequency was chosen in consultation with experts.

This did nothing to help 82-year-old pensioner Rose Procter who was
missing out on her daily dose of opera hunk Mario Lanza since 106.7
"disappeared" from her dial.

Now both radio stations have reported huge amounts of support and Mrs
Procter will be getting her reception problems sorted out, care of Mr
Cope. "I called Denis in the morning to thank him for the article
because when I came into work this morning I had 15 messages of
support ... A friend of mine said any publicity is good publicity," Mr
Cope said.

Mr Wadsworth had a similar experience, receiving a number of calls
throughout the day.

"I guess there is a lot more support out there than I realised."

He said it was clear the Christian station was causing the
interference but after an amicable chat with Mr Cope it seemed they
would be able to work towardd a solution.

He did not yet know what that solution might be.

Lanza-loving Mrs Procter knows what her solution is.

A visit yesterday by Mr Cope abd a technician tentatively put her
troubles down to an antenna pointing in the wrong direction.

Mr Cope said he would contact a professional to fix the problem and
Mrs Procter would not have to pay for anything.

"I'm quite satisfied now," she said.

Meanwhile, retired broadcasting engineer Charlie Fincham, of Hawera,
believes all the trouble could be put back on the Government.

He reckons the Ministry of Economic Development's radio spectrum
management compliance is a contra-diction in terms.

"Nobody is managing the frequency separation any more, that's why
these two New Plymouth stations are at loggerheads," he said.

"In my day, the space between frequencies had to be 800 kHz, everybody
observed it and there were no problems. Now it's only 100 kHz and
that's just a tiny twitch of the tuning knob. It will only be resolved
by one station moving further along the band."

Radio Spectrum Management compliance manager Chris Brennan earlier
said that low-powered FM stations stations knew there was no frequency
protection provided but co-ordination between them was encouraged. He
said in this case co-ordination appeared to have failed.

***End***

Well, this has been my point all along. RSM effectively says "Free for
all" on the FM band and you have every operator in creation firing up
a cheap transmitter on whatever frequency they feel like.

Result?

A sea of distortion, intermod and general mayhem. Get one operator
that takes a dislike to this and they find a higher powered
transmitter to drown out the opposition.

Result?

More mess, noise and general madness.

I firmly believe that until such time as RSM modify the GURL to
include some mandatory requirements, this situation will only get
worse. If you think there are problems at the moment with 500 mW EIRP,
just imagine what raising the power levels to 1 watt or 5 watts will do.

The case reported below is a pristine example of how the current GURL
requirements DON'T work.



--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Peter Shaw" <akwccr@...> wrote:
>
> FYI, this email sent out to the LPFM distribution group:
>
> To: LPFM Group2
> Subject: (fwd) Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed -
> 20081014-One Christian Radio upsetting LPFM Broadcaster in New Plymouth
> From: P R Shaw
> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:46:34 +1300
>
> From the virtual pen of Society member Ray Mankelow, a reference to
> this interesting article about an LPFM dispute in New Plymouth. It
> appears to be quite a bitter dispute that is taking place there.
>
> Article is at the link below; the text from the article is copied
> after that.
>
> The pertinent point amid all the rhetoric lies in these two paragraphs:
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> "Ministry of Economic Development Radio Spectrum Management compliance
> manager Chris Brennan said the terms of the low-powered FM licence
> clearly stated there was no interference protection and two stations
> could broadcast on exactly the same frequency if they wanted.
>
> He said they tried to encourage a level of co-ordination among
> stations, but that co-ordination appeared to have failed in New
Plymouth."
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> I pass this onto all you LPFM folk for your interest.
>
>
> BRgds,
> Peter
>
> TSOLPFMBI Secretary
> ___________________
>
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:18:49 +1300, "Ray Mankelow" wrote:
>
> >http://www.stuff.co.nz/dailynews/4726091a6002.html
> >
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> 2008104-One Christian Radio upsetting LPFM Broadcaster in New Plymouth
> ======================================================================
>
>
> Tune in, turn on, get miffed
> By MATT RILKOFF matt.rilkoff@... - Taranaki Daily News |
> Tuesday, 14 October 2008
> Email a Friend | Printable View | Have Your Say
> MIKE SCOTT
>
> New Plymouth's Rose Proctor has two-stepped to easy-listening radio
> station 106.7FM for almost three years, but can no longer tune into
> the frequency, which is allegedly being overpowered by newly started
> One Christian Radio on 106.9FM.
> Related Links
> Subscribe to Archivestuff
> Have your say
>
> Stormtroopers, threatening phone calls and a lovelorn pensioner all
> feature prominently in an almighty battle around free radio
> frequencies in New Plymouth.
>
> The usually placid airwaves of the city's free low powered FM stations
> have turned treacherous since One Christian Radio began pumping out
> tunes in August on the 106.9FM frequency.
>
> Denis Wadsworth says his low-powered station, 106.7FM, two "clicks"
> away from 106.9, is being overpowered by the Christian broadcaster,
> leaving his central city listeners with static where once they heard
> his personally chosen tunes.
>
> Mr Wadsworth says his Oriental St station has been broadcasting for
> just over 2 1/2 years and was listened to by taxi drivers, rest home
> residents and older people who appreciated the old style music and
> absence of advertising.
>
> "An old lady came up to me. She said I can't get your radio station
> anymore because of those bloody Christians," said Mr Wadsworth.
>
> He said if One Christian Radio changed its frequency to 107FM their
> competing signals would not overpower each other but the new station
> has refused to do so. "They can spread their good word. I don't give a
> damn about that but these guys are acting more like stormtroopers than
> disciples," Mr Wadsworth said.
>
> One Christian Radio managing director James Cope said the Liardet St
> station was doing nothing wrong or illegal by broadcasting on the
> 106.9 frequency, which had been chosen in accordance with expert
> advice. "I was in HR (human resources) for 35 years. I do everything
> by the book."
>
> He said he was disappointed some people wanted to disrupt what he
> described as a community station and claimed an anonymous phone call
> by a hungover man proved Mr Wadsworth was out to get him.
>
> "This is fact. He (Mr Wadsworth) said to guys over a bunch of beers
> that we're going to find a way to bring down One Christian Radio."
>
> He said other callers had questioned whether he was acting in a manner
> befitting a Christian.
>
> Mr Wadsworth said he was not responsible for what other people had
> said and would never have condoned such phone calls.
>
> However, he said he had passed Mr Cope's contact details on to some
> disgruntled listen-ers.
>
> Regardless of who is right in this CBD melee Liardet St pensioner Rose
> Procter, 82, is having to do without American tenor and Hollywood hunk
> Mario Lanza.
>
> She says the now dead singer is the love of her life and the only
> radio station on which she could hear his powerfully masculine voice
> was on 106.7FM.
>
> "I'm dead miserable," she said.
>
> Ministry of Economic Development Radio Spectrum Management compliance
> manager Chris Brennan said the terms of the low-powered FM licence
> clearly stated there was no interference protection and two stations
> could broadcast on exactly the same frequency if they wanted.
>
> He said they tried to encourage a level of co-ordination among
> stations, but that co-ordination appeared to have failed in New
Plymouth.
>
> ------------------------------
>

Ahhh, such is the nature of LPFM...

IMHO he's doing nothing wrong legally. Morally? Prolly not either.

Me thinks that's the risk you take being on LPFM. Want security? Do
some research and, if possible, have a frequency engineered for your
situation.

Whatever happens, I hope the crowd on 106.7 don't resort to getting a
higher powered tx. That'll only make it worse for them and LPFM as a
whole. Maybe they should move elsewhere?

Herb.

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Peter Shaw" <akwccr@...> wrote:
>
> FYI, this email sent out to the LPFM distribution group:
>
> To: LPFM Group2
> Subject: (fwd) Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed -
> 20081014-One Christian Radio upsetting LPFM Broadcaster in New Plymouth
> From: P R Shaw
> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:46:34 +1300
>
> From the virtual pen of Society member Ray Mankelow, a reference to
> this interesting article about an LPFM dispute in New Plymouth. It
> appears to be quite a bitter dispute that is taking place there.
>
> Article is at the link below; the text from the article is copied
> after that.
>
> The pertinent point amid all the rhetoric lies in these two paragraphs:
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> "Ministry of Economic Development Radio Spectrum Management compliance
> manager Chris Brennan said the terms of the low-powered FM licence
> clearly stated there was no interference protection and two stations
> could broadcast on exactly the same frequency if they wanted.
>
> He said they tried to encourage a level of co-ordination among
> stations, but that co-ordination appeared to have failed in New
Plymouth."
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> I pass this onto all you LPFM folk for your interest.
>
>
> BRgds,
> Peter
>
> TSOLPFMBI Secretary
> ___________________
>
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:18:49 +1300, "Ray Mankelow" wrote:
>
> >http://www.stuff.co.nz/dailynews/4726091a6002.html
> >
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> 2008104-One Christian Radio upsetting LPFM Broadcaster in New Plymouth
> ======================================================================
>
>
> Tune in, turn on, get miffed
> By MATT RILKOFF matt.rilkoff@... - Taranaki Daily News |
> Tuesday, 14 October 2008
> Email a Friend | Printable View | Have Your Say
> MIKE SCOTT
>
> New Plymouth's Rose Proctor has two-stepped to easy-listening radio
> station 106.7FM for almost three years, but can no longer tune into
> the frequency, which is allegedly being overpowered by newly started
> One Christian Radio on 106.9FM.
> Related Links
> Subscribe to Archivestuff
> Have your say
>
> Stormtroopers, threatening phone calls and a lovelorn pensioner all
> feature prominently in an almighty battle around free radio
> frequencies in New Plymouth.
>
> The usually placid airwaves of the city's free low powered FM stations
> have turned treacherous since One Christian Radio began pumping out
> tunes in August on the 106.9FM frequency.
>
> Denis Wadsworth says his low-powered station, 106.7FM, two "clicks"
> away from 106.9, is being overpowered by the Christian broadcaster,
> leaving his central city listeners with static where once they heard
> his personally chosen tunes.
>
> Mr Wadsworth says his Oriental St station has been broadcasting for
> just over 2 1/2 years and was listened to by taxi drivers, rest home
> residents and older people who appreciated the old style music and
> absence of advertising.
>
> "An old lady came up to me. She said I can't get your radio station
> anymore because of those bloody Christians," said Mr Wadsworth.
>
> He said if One Christian Radio changed its frequency to 107FM their
> competing signals would not overpower each other but the new station
> has refused to do so. "They can spread their good word. I don't give a
> damn about that but these guys are acting more like stormtroopers than
> disciples," Mr Wadsworth said.
>
> One Christian Radio managing director James Cope said the Liardet St
> station was doing nothing wrong or illegal by broadcasting on the
> 106.9 frequency, which had been chosen in accordance with expert
> advice. "I was in HR (human resources) for 35 years. I do everything
> by the book."
>
> He said he was disappointed some people wanted to disrupt what he
> described as a community station and claimed an anonymous phone call
> by a hungover man proved Mr Wadsworth was out to get him.
>
> "This is fact. He (Mr Wadsworth) said to guys over a bunch of beers
> that we're going to find a way to bring down One Christian Radio."
>
> He said other callers had questioned whether he was acting in a manner
> befitting a Christian.
>
> Mr Wadsworth said he was not responsible for what other people had
> said and would never have condoned such phone calls.
>
> However, he said he had passed Mr Cope's contact details on to some
> disgruntled listen-ers.
>
> Regardless of who is right in this CBD melee Liardet St pensioner Rose
> Procter, 82, is having to do without American tenor and Hollywood hunk
> Mario Lanza.
>
> She says the now dead singer is the love of her life and the only
> radio station on which she could hear his powerfully masculine voice
> was on 106.7FM.
>
> "I'm dead miserable," she said.
>
> Ministry of Economic Development Radio Spectrum Management compliance
> manager Chris Brennan said the terms of the low-powered FM licence
> clearly stated there was no interference protection and two stations
> could broadcast on exactly the same frequency if they wanted.
>
> He said they tried to encourage a level of co-ordination among
> stations, but that co-ordination appeared to have failed in New
Plymouth.
>
> ------------------------------
>

FYI, this email sent out to the LPFM distribution group:

To: LPFM Group2
Subject: (fwd) Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed -
20081014-One Christian Radio upsetting LPFM Broadcaster in New Plymouth
From: P R Shaw
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:46:34 +1300

From the virtual pen of Society member Ray Mankelow, a reference to
this interesting article about an LPFM dispute in New Plymouth. It
appears to be quite a bitter dispute that is taking place there.

Article is at the link below; the text from the article is copied
after that.

The pertinent point amid all the rhetoric lies in these two paragraphs:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Ministry of Economic Development Radio Spectrum Management compliance
manager Chris Brennan said the terms of the low-powered FM licence
clearly stated there was no interference protection and two stations
could broadcast on exactly the same frequency if they wanted.

He said they tried to encourage a level of co-ordination among
stations, but that co-ordination appeared to have failed in New Plymouth."
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I pass this onto all you LPFM folk for your interest.


BRgds,
Peter

TSOLPFMBI Secretary
___________________

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:18:49 +1300, "Ray Mankelow" wrote:

>http://www.stuff.co.nz/dailynews/4726091a6002.html
>



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


2008104-One Christian Radio upsetting LPFM Broadcaster in New Plymouth
======================================================================


Tune in, turn on, get miffed
By MATT RILKOFF matt.rilkoff@... - Taranaki Daily News |
Tuesday, 14 October 2008
Email a Friend | Printable View | Have Your Say
MIKE SCOTT

New Plymouth's Rose Proctor has two-stepped to easy-listening radio
station 106.7FM for almost three years, but can no longer tune into
the frequency, which is allegedly being overpowered by newly started
One Christian Radio on 106.9FM.
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Have your say

Stormtroopers, threatening phone calls and a lovelorn pensioner all
feature prominently in an almighty battle around free radio
frequencies in New Plymouth.

The usually placid airwaves of the city's free low powered FM stations
have turned treacherous since One Christian Radio began pumping out
tunes in August on the 106.9FM frequency.

Denis Wadsworth says his low-powered station, 106.7FM, two "clicks"
away from 106.9, is being overpowered by the Christian broadcaster,
leaving his central city listeners with static where once they heard
his personally chosen tunes.

Mr Wadsworth says his Oriental St station has been broadcasting for
just over 2 1/2 years and was listened to by taxi drivers, rest home
residents and older people who appreciated the old style music and
absence of advertising.

"An old lady came up to me. She said I can't get your radio station
anymore because of those bloody Christians," said Mr Wadsworth.

He said if One Christian Radio changed its frequency to 107FM their
competing signals would not overpower each other but the new station
has refused to do so. "They can spread their good word. I don't give a
damn about that but these guys are acting more like stormtroopers than
disciples," Mr Wadsworth said.

One Christian Radio managing director James Cope said the Liardet St
station was doing nothing wrong or illegal by broadcasting on the
106.9 frequency, which had been chosen in accordance with expert
advice. "I was in HR (human resources) for 35 years. I do everything
by the book."

He said he was disappointed some people wanted to disrupt what he
described as a community station and claimed an anonymous phone call
by a hungover man proved Mr Wadsworth was out to get him.

"This is fact. He (Mr Wadsworth) said to guys over a bunch of beers
that we're going to find a way to bring down One Christian Radio."

He said other callers had questioned whether he was acting in a manner
befitting a Christian.

Mr Wadsworth said he was not responsible for what other people had
said and would never have condoned such phone calls.

However, he said he had passed Mr Cope's contact details on to some
disgruntled listen-ers.

Regardless of who is right in this CBD melee Liardet St pensioner Rose
Procter, 82, is having to do without American tenor and Hollywood hunk
Mario Lanza.

She says the now dead singer is the love of her life and the only
radio station on which she could hear his powerfully masculine voice
was on 106.7FM.

"I'm dead miserable," she said.

Ministry of Economic Development Radio Spectrum Management compliance
manager Chris Brennan said the terms of the low-powered FM licence
clearly stated there was no interference protection and two stations
could broadcast on exactly the same frequency if they wanted.

He said they tried to encourage a level of co-ordination among
stations, but that co-ordination appeared to have failed in New Plymouth.

------------------------------

From: Brian Miller

To: vision@...

Cc: Bruce Donaldson (Parliament)

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:08 PM

Subject: LOW POWER FM - UPDATE

Good Afternoon Allen

 

I trust all is well with you. The Office for the Minister of Communications and Information Technology asked me to contact you in relation to your inquiry about the proposed changes to Low Power FM (LPFM) General User licence to allow the effective radiated power to be increased to 1 Watt.

 

I understand that you have also been corresponding with the Ministry on this matter, with the most recent email exchange being on 31 July 2008.

 

The implementation of the power change to the LPFM general user licence has taken longer than expected due to the interference analysis work being more complicated and extensive than originally anticipated by the Ministry. In particular, there has been:

 

(i) difficulty with setting up engineering tools to complete the analysis of interference into the adjacent aeronautical frequencies and services; and

 

(ii) an increase in the number of broadcast station licences, thus creating further complications with the analysis of potential interference into the aeronautical frequencies.

 

I am advised that the analysis work is now largely completed. We expect to finalise this analysis, complete a peer review, and make final decisions by the end of this year.

 

I do thank you for your patience with this matter, noting that we originally planned to issue the changes to the LPFM licence by September 2007.    I am sure you also appreciate that we need to take the time and care required to avoid making any changes that might compromise the safety of aeronautical services.

 

Please feel free to call me if you have further questions or concerns.

 

Kind Regards

Brian Miller
Manager Radio Spectrum Policy and Planning
Ministry of Economic Development
PO Box 1473
Wellington
New Zealand

Tel +64 4 4624221
Fax +64 4 4990969
Email brian.miller@...
Web www.med.govt.nz

 

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***REMINDER***

The Society Of Low Power FM Broadcasters will hold its AGM

on the evening of

**************************
Thursday 16th October 2008

starting

7pm
**************************


At the Auckland VHF Group (Branch 66) Clubrooms, Mount Roskill:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Located in Hazel Avenue, Mount Roskill, at the very END of the street
on the LEFT, behind the Scout Hall. There is a driveway on the left
just past the Scout Hall which takes you down the side of that
building into an area in front of the club rooms where there is room
for a number of cars. There is also plenty of parking in the street.

Hazel Avenue is off Dominion Road. Coming from Mount Albert Road, it
is the SIXTH street on the left. From the other direction, it is the
TENTH street on the right after Balmoral Road.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



If you are a member of The Society, a past member, or someone with an
interest in LPFM broadcasting, then you are all cordially invited to
come along.

This is the last call for nominations for the various offices held by
Society Members, and requests for matters to be added to the Agenda.


CALL FOR NOMINATIONS FOR CANDIDATES FOR THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE
===============================================================
Members of TSOLPFMBI are invited to submit nominations for candidates
for election to the following positions of The Society:



*****************************************************
Chairperson
Secretary
Treasurer
Executive Committee (not less than five are required)
*****************************************************



Currently, these offices are held by the following people:
=========================================================
Chairman: Dave Dingley
Secretary: Peter Shaw
Treasurer: Murray Woodfield

Executive Committee
===================
Jarra Borman
Les Dixon
Owen Dawe
Paul Clapshaw
Richard Phelps
Ray Mankelow
Stuart Morley


======================================================================


BRgds,
Peter Shaw
Secretary
The Society of Low Power FM Broadcasters Incorporated
Auckland
New Zealand

Yep, I'll put my hand up. I don't mind being a mod. BTW, my original
comment was not a criticism of the board, merely an observation that
we don't seem to have any form of SPAM control or removal.


--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "ross" <ross@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> 			 Are you volunteering?  I started this group but I don't have
time to moderate it.
>
> 			 Ross.
>
> 			 ----- Original Message -----
>
> 					 From:
> 					 wireless.radio
>
> 					 To:
> 					 LPFM_Radio@...
>
> 					 Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:57 AM
>
> 					 Subject: [LPFM] Do we have any mods on this forum?
>
> If so, why aren't they removing the spam rubbish junk crap like I see
> above?
> I have noticed this in the past as well - no spam removal.
>
> What gives?
>

----- Original Message -----

From: wireless.radio

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:57 AM

Subject: [LPFM] Do we have any mods on this forum?

If so, why aren't they removing the spam rubbish junk crap like I see
above?
I have noticed this in the past as well - no spam removal.

What gives?

How accessible is the 250 - 300 metres between your Studio and the
transmitter?
You could run it via a 100 volt line using Transformers at each end to
step up / step down the voltage... then all you need is 2 wires between
your transmitter and Studio. If you want stereo signal... you could
multiplex the signal at the studio end.
The 100 volt line would cost only for the length of cable and 2
transformers. (less than $50 bucks)
Cheers
Geoff

countingthebeat wrote:
>
> Waiheke Radio are looking for studio to transmitter link equipment
> within the budget of a new community station.
>
> We need to get our signal from our studio to the transmitter - a
> distance of 250-300 metres with a clear line of sight.
>
> We are fairly new to this game so advice on suitable equipment and
> sources of equipment would be appreciated.
>
> Chris - Waiheke Radio
> chris@waihekeradio. org.nz <mailto:chris%40waihekeradio.org.nz>
>

The Society Of Low Power FM Broadcasters will hold its AGM

on the evening of

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Thursday 16th October 2008
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at the Auckland VHF Club rooms in Mount Roskill.


If you are a member of The Society, a past member, or someone with an
interest in LPFM broadcasting, then you are all cordially invited to
come along.

I shall send out the full Agenda soon. In the meantime, we call for
nominations for the various offices held by Society Members, and
requests for matters to be added to the Agenda.


CALL FOR NOMINATIONS FOR CANDIDATES FOR THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE
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Members of TSOLPFMBI are invited to submit nominations for candidates
for election to the following positions of The Society:



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Chairperson
Secretary
Treasurer
Executive Committee (not less than five are required)
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Please make any inquiries by email reply.


Currently, these offices are held by the following people:
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Chairman: Dave Dingley
Secretary: Peter Shaw
Treasurer: Murray Woodfield

Executive Committee
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Jarra Borman
Les Dixon
Owen Dawe
Paul Clapshaw
Richard Phelps
Ray Mankelow
Stuart Morley



Here are the instructions on how to find the venue:

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Auckland VHF Group (Branch 66) Clubrooms, Mount Roskill
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Located in Hazel Avenue, Mount Roskill, at the very END of the street
on the LEFT, behind the Scout Hall. There is a driveway on the left
just past the Scout Hall which takes you down the side of that
building into an area in front of the club rooms where there is room
for a number of cars. There is also plenty of parking in the street.

Hazel Avenue is off Dominion Road. Coming from Mount Albert Road, it
is the SIXTH street on the left. From the other direction, it is the
TENTH street on the right after Balmoral Road.

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BRgds,
Peter Shaw
Secretary
The Society of Low Power FM Broadcasters Incorporated
Auckland
New Zealand

Waiheke Radio are looking for studio to transmitter link equipment
within the budget of a new community station.

We need to get our signal from our studio to the transmitter - a
distance of 250-300 metres with a clear line of sight.

We are fairly new to this game so advice on suitable equipment and
sources of equipment would be appreciated.

Chris - Waiheke Radio
chris@...

If so, why aren't they removing the spam rubbish junk crap like I see
above?
I have noticed this in the past as well - no spam removal.

What gives?

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I think this should read

Up until recently we have had excellent technical expertise but
unfortunately the person who HAS this expertise has now moved on.

Hi all

Waiheke Radio is a new LPFM not-for-profit community station on
Waiheke Island. We have our official launch at labour weekend.

Up until recently we have had excellent technical expertise but
unfortunately the person who had this expertise has now moved on.

We have some problems with our desk (phone line, bleeding from
programme to audition line out, some noise on one of the aux line
inputs) and getting a clean signal from our studio to our transmission
site (about 400m line of sight.

We are very keen to hear from any tech people who can travel over to
Waiheke to help resolve these issues.

If you, or some one you know of, or someone you can recommend, can
help we would love to hear from you. We are very keen to resolve our
technical issues by our Labour Weekend launch.

I can be contacted at chris@...

Cheers - Chris, Waiheke Radio

----- Original Message -----

From: Classic Gold Radio

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 7:56 AM

Subject: [LPFM] News Content compared

To all

 

INN's content and the price reflects its quality.  Syntax and attribution are questionable. 

 

The editing is peculiar too...  Look at the gaps between the items as I did and you'll see some strange gaps and inconstancies.

 

 I believe the affiliates content from TRN is significantly better, and I believe the price is negotiable.

 

If INN were prepared to improve their quality control, then it might be worth while taking on as a credible news source.

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Chris

To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:16 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: INN...

Monthly invoice

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:04 PM, andy archer <piratefm2007@hotmail.com> wrote:

hmmm, good price, how is it paid, a contract or monthly etc?? Pirate

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To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au

From: chris@waihekeradio.org.nz
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:00:46 +1300
Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: INN...

Only $50 a month

We got quoted $300 by radio Network. We're much happier supporting an independent outfit like this.

Chris - Waiheke Radio
www.waihekeradio.org.nz

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:57 PM, The Cheese <studio@thecheese.co.nz> wrote:

How much does the news service cost?

Cheers,
Grant

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----- Original Message -----

From: Chris

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:16 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: INN...

Monthly invoice

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:04 PM, andy archer <piratefm2007@hotmail.com> wrote:

hmmm, good price, how is it paid, a contract or monthly etc?? Pirate

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To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au

From: chris@waihekeradio.org.nz
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:00:46 +1300
Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: INN...

Only $50 a month

We got quoted $300 by radio Network. We're much happier supporting an independent outfit like this.

Chris - Waiheke Radio
www.waihekeradio.org.nz

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:57 PM, The Cheese <studio@thecheese.co.nz> wrote:

How much does the news service cost?

Cheers,
Grant

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How much does the news service cost?

Cheers,
Grant