TSOLPFMBI: Practical Workshop: a 2nd J-Pole construction session
================================================================

PLANNED FOR TUESDAY 20TH JANUARY 2009.

Greetings to all LPFM folk!

The Society Of Low Power FM Broadcasters Incorporated is planning on
holding a second J-Pole Antenna construction evening following
expressions of interest from a number of folk.

At our first Executive Committee Meeting held Tuesday 25th November
2008, we decided to set Tuesday 20th January 2009 as the date on which
to hold it. We plan to hold our second Executive Committee Meeting the
preceding Tuesday, rather than combine the two events, as our first
construction session on Tuesday 19th February 2008 followed on from a
meeting, and we ran short of time. We would look to get underway as
early as possible, say 6 pm.

At this stage I have expressions of interest from:

Robert Dew
Francis Thompson
Martyn Seay
Denis Wadsworth
Mark and Maureen Perry
Dave Dingley
Patrick Casey

We will probably have to set a limit of, say ten to twelve
registrants, so here is a call to you all for expressions of interest.

The last antenna constructions session cost members $40, and
non-members - $68. We expect the charges to be similar for the next
session, but will depend on the cost of the materials. Payment will be
required before construction begins.


There are other plans/projects in the pipeline, so stand by for
further announcements!


BRgd,
Peter Shaw
Secretary
The Society of Low Power FM Broadcasters Incorporated
Auckland
New Zealand

Anyone know who is using 108 MHz in Whangarei and running some kind of
religious program on it?

Spot the obvious issue ...

By the way, Ross, great write up in Radio World.  Well done.

JohnP


Quoting Ross Levis <ross@...>:

> I know that our software (StationPlaylist
> <http://www.stationplaylist.com.html/> ) works under Wine on Linux as I've
> tested it myself.  We did make some minor cosmetic changes to resolve an
> issue with Wine.  The Windows Fonts package should be installed otherwise it
> doesn't look so good.  This is available in Ubuntu.  Otherwise it works
> well.
>
>
>
> I doubt you will find a quality automation system which is free.  Others on
> this list can vouch for StationPlaylist, but it's not free.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Ross.
>
>
>
> From: LPFM_Radio@... [mailto:LPFM_Radio@...]
> On Behalf Of Herb
> Sent: Monday, 17 November 2008 10:19 p.m.
> To: LPFM_Radio@...
> Subject: [LPFM] Radio automation under linux...
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just curious whether anyone knows of any quality automation software
> for use under linux? I've checked the repositories in Ubuntu but
> nothing comes up...
>
> I've tried Direttore using the wine patch with only reasonable results.
>
> Any help would be greatly apprieciated.
>
> Herb.
>
>

Hi Herb
I'm running it on one machine running Suse 10.0
and the other two machines are running Ubuntu (8.04 & 8.10)
On the Rivendell wiki it lists repositories you can add to Ubuntu so you
can install using Synaptic or Apt-get etc.

Now mp3 support is available via importing and exporting facilities in
the RDlibrary music database. Natively RD plays PCM wave files but if
you are lucky enough an Audioscience Soundcard, MP2 (a broadcast
standard used by most professional broadcaster) as a storage format is
available.
Using PCM wave for storage is scary because of storage space required.
Hard drives are cheap now. I saw a usb 500 gig portable hard at Dick
Smith for $170 bucks recently. I have a 350 gig drive happily storing
9000 songs. When you consider that is shared between 3 computers its
cheap storage.

The reasons for not making Mp3 direct playing possible is because of
copyright and patent restrictions around the mp3 file. Also the extra
overhead in processer power required to uncompress mp3s so they can be
played directly. There is talk of several hacks of the program so OGG
and MP3 playing is possible but I haven't had it working.
I'm in Dunedin if you want to see it in action.
Cheers
Geoff


Herb wrote:
> Thanks Geoff,
>
> Tell me, does it support MP3's and it looks like a lot of files to
> download from the website.. What is the process for installation?
>
> Also, it says it works for Suse, will it also work for other versions
> of linux such as Ubuntu as well?
>
> Cheers.
>
>

I can vouch for Rivendell. I haven't gone back to Windows since, I don't see
the point.

I don't bother with MP3's though and haven't for years, hard drive space is a
dime a dozen gigs these days. Geoff I think knows more about running mp3's?
Or are you wave as well Geoff?

There's a few using it on Debian/Ubuntu although I haven't tried or figure out
how to install it on them yet.

There's a few pdf's to help with first time installs on SuSE. The support
community (mailing/lists) for it is also top notch in my opinion. It doesn't
officially have support but it's always there. www.paravelsystems.com is a
new thing they are doing to sell Rivendell with support built to order.

Normally you pay for what you get, Rivendell however is the exception. People
find it good enough to run clusters of stations and head ends with it.

Gavin.


On Tuesday 18 November 2008 10:16, Herb wrote:
> Thanks Geoff,
>
> Tell me, does it support MP3's and it looks like a lot of files to
> download from the website.. What is the process for installation?
>
> Also, it says it works for Suse, will it also work for other versions
> of linux such as Ubuntu as well?
>
> Cheers.
>
> --- In LPFM_Radio@..., Geoff Barkman <barknet@...> wrote:
> > Rivendell is awesome
> > I run it in Dunedin. The machine has been up and running onair for 85
> > days now and counting. I've got 3 machines networked together sharing a
> > music database.
> >
> > *Rivendell* is a complete radio broadcast automation solution, with
> > facilities for the acquisition, management, scheduling and playout of
> > audio content. It has all of the features one would expect in a modern,
> > fully-fledged radio automation system, including support for both PCM
> > and MPEG audio encoding, full voicetracking and log customization as
> > well as support for a wide variety of third party software and
>
> hardware.
>
> > As a robust, functionally complete digital audio system for broadcast
> > radio applications, Rivendell uses industry standard components like
>
> the
>
> > GNU/Linux Operating System <http://www.linux.org/>, the AudioScience
>
> HPI
>
> > Driver Architecture <http://www.audioscience.com/> and the MySQL
> > Database Engine <http://www.mysql.org/>. Rivendell is available under
> > the GNU Public License <http://www.fsf.org/licenses/gpl.html>. Further
> > design details are available here
> > <http://www.rivendellaudio.org/Design.html>.
> >
> > *FEATURES and BENEFITS*
> >
> > # A complete GPL'ed radio automation system.
> >
> > # Designed for efficient on-air use, with large, touchscreen-friendly
> > controls.
> >
> > # Up to three full automation logs may be operated from a single
>
> computer.
>
> > # Extensive support for live assist environments, with multiple
>
> SoundPanel
>
> > arrays available at the touch of a finger.
> >
> > # All configuration is done by means of point and click interfaces
>
> -- *no*
>
> > arcane configuration files to edit!
> >
> > # Support for both PCM16 and MPEG Layer 2 audio formats (MPEG Layer 2
> > support requires the use of select sound cards available from
> > AudioScience Inc.). <http://www.audioscience.com/>
> >
> > # Full support for both analog and AES3 digital audio interfaces, using
> > high-quality audio adapters manufactured by AudioScience Inc.
> > <http://www.audioscience.com/> and the JACK Audio Connection Kit
> > <http://jackit.sourceforge.net/>.
> >
> > # Designed by radio broadcasters, for radio broadcasters.
> >
> > # Completely free and open -- no dongles, unlock codes, software
>
> keys or
>
> > other arbitrary limitations.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *RELEASE STATUS*
> >
> > Rivendell is feature-complete and on the air at many radio stations
> > world wide. A comprehensive operations manual is available on the
> > Rivendell download page
> > <http://www.rivendellaudio.org/rivendell/download.shtml>, and a
> > technical and administration guide currently in preparation.
> >
> >
> >
> > *TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS*
> >
> > Rivendell runs on the GNU/Linux operating system, and is available
>
> under
>
> > the GNU Public License <http://www.fsf.org/licenses/gpl.html>. It
> > currently supports operation using the full line of ASI Audio Adapters
> > available from AudioScience Inc <http://www.audioscience.com/> as well
> > as the Jack Audio Connection Kit <http://jackit.sourceforge.net/>.
> >
> > *Recommended Minimum System Requirements:*
> >     Pentium 4 CPU
> >     256 MB RAM
> >     SuSE Linux Professional 9.x
> >     XFree86 Supported Video Card
> >     AudioScience Audio Adapter
> >     Mouse or other Pointing Device
> >     Optional: Touchscreen Monitor
> >
> >
> > *COMPONENTS*
> >
> > *RDAdmin* ~ comprehensive system configuration and management tool
> >
> > *RDLogEdit* ~ complete program log editing tool
> >
> > *RDLibrary* ~ audio acquisition and management tool, for maintaining a
> > library of audio content
> >
> > *RDAirPlay* ~ on-air audio playout application
> >
> > *RDCatch* ~ automatic audio recorder and event scheduler specifically
> > optimized for simultaneous capture of multiple long-form audio programs
> >
> > *RDLogManager* ~ tool for integration with a wide array of third-party
> > traffic and music scheduling systems
> >
> > Michael Rowse wrote:
> > > Try Rivendell. http://www.rivendellaudio.org/
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Herb" <bheath.nz@> wrote:
> > >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> Just curious whether anyone knows of any quality automation software
> > >> for use under linux? I've checked the repositories in Ubuntu but
> > >> nothing comes up...
> > >>
> > >> I've tried Direttore using the wine patch with only reasonable
>
> results.
>
> > >> Any help would be greatly apprieciated.
> > >>
> > >> Herb.

Thanks Geoff,

Tell me, does it support MP3's and it looks like a lot of files to
download from the website.. What is the process for installation?

Also, it says it works for Suse, will it also work for other versions
of linux such as Ubuntu as well?

Cheers.

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., Geoff Barkman <barknet@...> wrote:
>
> Rivendell is awesome
> I run it in Dunedin. The machine has been up and running onair for 85
> days now and counting. I've got 3 machines networked together sharing a
> music database.
>
> *Rivendell* is a complete radio broadcast automation solution, with
> facilities for the acquisition, management, scheduling and playout of
> audio content. It has all of the features one would expect in a modern,
> fully-fledged radio automation system, including support for both PCM
> and MPEG audio encoding, full voicetracking and log customization as
> well as support for a wide variety of third party software and
hardware.
> As a robust, functionally complete digital audio system for broadcast
> radio applications, Rivendell uses industry standard components like
the
> GNU/Linux Operating System <http://www.linux.org/>, the AudioScience
HPI
> Driver Architecture <http://www.audioscience.com/> and the MySQL
> Database Engine <http://www.mysql.org/>. Rivendell is available under
> the GNU Public License <http://www.fsf.org/licenses/gpl.html>. Further
> design details are available here
> <http://www.rivendellaudio.org/Design.html>.
>
> *FEATURES and BENEFITS*
>
> # A complete GPL'ed radio automation system.
>
> # Designed for efficient on-air use, with large, touchscreen-friendly
> controls.
>
> # Up to three full automation logs may be operated from a single
computer.
>
> # Extensive support for live assist environments, with multiple
SoundPanel
> arrays available at the touch of a finger.
>
> # All configuration is done by means of point and click interfaces
-- *no*
> arcane configuration files to edit!
>
> # Support for both PCM16 and MPEG Layer 2 audio formats (MPEG Layer 2
> support requires the use of select sound cards available from
> AudioScience Inc.). <http://www.audioscience.com/>
>
> # Full support for both analog and AES3 digital audio interfaces, using
> high-quality audio adapters manufactured by AudioScience Inc.
> <http://www.audioscience.com/> and the JACK Audio Connection Kit
> <http://jackit.sourceforge.net/>.
>
> # Designed by radio broadcasters, for radio broadcasters.
>
> # Completely free and open -- no dongles, unlock codes, software
keys or
> other arbitrary limitations.
>
>
>
>
> *RELEASE STATUS*
>
> Rivendell is feature-complete and on the air at many radio stations
> world wide. A comprehensive operations manual is available on the
> Rivendell download page
> <http://www.rivendellaudio.org/rivendell/download.shtml>, and a
> technical and administration guide currently in preparation.
>
>
>
> *TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS*
>
> Rivendell runs on the GNU/Linux operating system, and is available
under
> the GNU Public License <http://www.fsf.org/licenses/gpl.html>. It
> currently supports operation using the full line of ASI Audio Adapters
> available from AudioScience Inc <http://www.audioscience.com/> as well
> as the Jack Audio Connection Kit <http://jackit.sourceforge.net/>.
>
> *Recommended Minimum System Requirements:*
>     Pentium 4 CPU
>     256 MB RAM
>     SuSE Linux Professional 9.x
>     XFree86 Supported Video Card
>     AudioScience Audio Adapter
>     Mouse or other Pointing Device
>     Optional: Touchscreen Monitor
>
>
> *COMPONENTS*
>
> *RDAdmin* ~ comprehensive system configuration and management tool
>
> *RDLogEdit* ~ complete program log editing tool
>
> *RDLibrary* ~ audio acquisition and management tool, for maintaining a
> library of audio content
>
> *RDAirPlay* ~ on-air audio playout application
>
> *RDCatch* ~ automatic audio recorder and event scheduler specifically
> optimized for simultaneous capture of multiple long-form audio programs
>
> *RDLogManager* ~ tool for integration with a wide array of third-party
> traffic and music scheduling systems
>
>
> Michael Rowse wrote:
> > Try Rivendell. http://www.rivendellaudio.org/
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Herb" <bheath.nz@> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Just curious whether anyone knows of any quality automation software
> >> for use under linux? I've checked the repositories in Ubuntu but
> >> nothing comes up...
> >>
> >> I've tried Direttore using the wine patch with only reasonable
results.
> >>
> >> Any help would be greatly apprieciated.
> >>
> >> Herb.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Rivendell is awesome
I run it in Dunedin. The machine has been up and running onair for 85
days now and counting. I've got 3 machines networked together sharing a
music database.

*Rivendell* is a complete radio broadcast automation solution, with
facilities for the acquisition, management, scheduling and playout of
audio content. It has all of the features one would expect in a modern,
fully-fledged radio automation system, including support for both PCM
and MPEG audio encoding, full voicetracking and log customization as
well as support for a wide variety of third party software and hardware.
As a robust, functionally complete digital audio system for broadcast
radio applications, Rivendell uses industry standard components like the
GNU/Linux Operating System <http://www.linux.org/>, the AudioScience HPI
Driver Architecture <http://www.audioscience.com/> and the MySQL
Database Engine <http://www.mysql.org/>. Rivendell is available under
the GNU Public License <http://www.fsf.org/licenses/gpl.html>. Further
design details are available here
<http://www.rivendellaudio.org/Design.html>.

*FEATURES and BENEFITS*

# A complete GPL'ed radio automation system.

# Designed for efficient on-air use, with large, touchscreen-friendly
controls.

# Up to three full automation logs may be operated from a single computer.

# Extensive support for live assist environments, with multiple SoundPanel
arrays available at the touch of a finger.

# All configuration is done by means of point and click interfaces -- *no*
arcane configuration files to edit!

# Support for both PCM16 and MPEG Layer 2 audio formats (MPEG Layer 2
support requires the use of select sound cards available from
AudioScience Inc.). <http://www.audioscience.com/>

# Full support for both analog and AES3 digital audio interfaces, using
high-quality audio adapters manufactured by AudioScience Inc.
<http://www.audioscience.com/> and the JACK Audio Connection Kit
<http://jackit.sourceforge.net/>.

# Designed by radio broadcasters, for radio broadcasters.

# Completely free and open -- no dongles, unlock codes, software keys or
other arbitrary limitations.




*RELEASE STATUS*

Rivendell is feature-complete and on the air at many radio stations
world wide. A comprehensive operations manual is available on the
Rivendell download page
<http://www.rivendellaudio.org/rivendell/download.shtml>, and a
technical and administration guide currently in preparation.



*TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS*

Rivendell runs on the GNU/Linux operating system, and is available under
the GNU Public License <http://www.fsf.org/licenses/gpl.html>. It
currently supports operation using the full line of ASI Audio Adapters
available from AudioScience Inc <http://www.audioscience.com/> as well
as the Jack Audio Connection Kit <http://jackit.sourceforge.net/>.

*Recommended Minimum System Requirements:*
     Pentium 4 CPU
     256 MB RAM
     SuSE Linux Professional 9.x
     XFree86 Supported Video Card
     AudioScience Audio Adapter
     Mouse or other Pointing Device
     Optional: Touchscreen Monitor


*COMPONENTS*

*RDAdmin* ~ comprehensive system configuration and management tool

*RDLogEdit* ~ complete program log editing tool

*RDLibrary* ~ audio acquisition and management tool, for maintaining a
library of audio content

*RDAirPlay* ~ on-air audio playout application

*RDCatch* ~ automatic audio recorder and event scheduler specifically
optimized for simultaneous capture of multiple long-form audio programs

*RDLogManager* ~ tool for integration with a wide array of third-party
traffic and music scheduling systems


Michael Rowse wrote:
> Try Rivendell. http://www.rivendellaudio.org/
>
> Mike
>
> --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Herb" <bheath.nz@...> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just curious whether anyone knows of any quality automation software
>> for use under linux? I've checked the repositories in Ubuntu but
>> nothing comes up...
>>
>> I've tried Direttore using the wine patch with only reasonable results.
>>
>> Any help would be greatly apprieciated.
>>
>> Herb.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

Try Rivendell. http://www.rivendellaudio.org/

Mike

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Herb" <bheath.nz@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just curious whether anyone knows of any quality automation software
> for use under linux? I've checked the repositories in Ubuntu but
> nothing comes up...
>
> I've tried Direttore using the wine patch with only reasonable results.
>
> Any help would be greatly apprieciated.
>
> Herb.
>

Hi all,

Just curious whether anyone knows of any quality automation software
for use under linux? I've checked the repositories in Ubuntu but
nothing comes up...

I've tried Direttore using the wine patch with only reasonable results.

Any help would be greatly apprieciated.

Herb.

From: Allen Little

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:03 PM

Subject: [LPFM] Fw: LPFM Update

Greetings colleagues,

the forwarded message is for your information.

Cheers

Allen

 

Allen  J Little QSM,JP                            
7 Earl Street              Res Ph (06) 367-5900
Levin 5510                 Mobile (021) 025-33-330
---------------
Email:-       vision@...
Private Web Site:-    www.kiwilittle.net
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

----- Original Message -----

From: David Robinson

To: vision@...

Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:58 PM

Subject: FW: LPFM Update

Attention Alan Little

---

From: David Robinson
Sent: Monday, 17 November 2008 12:56 p.m.
To: 'Allen Little '
Cc: Jeff Hicks; Brian Miller
Subject: LPFM Update

Hi Alan,

 

I have been working to finish the calculations necessary so that we can publish about the end on this month.  As part of the process I have today had discussions with Airways and CAA to confirm the rules required for the coordination calculations in regard to the separation required between FMBC and LPFM transmitters and aeroplane landing routes and also in regard to the extent of the area where those calculations are required.

 

ACC, the regulatory authority for the safety of things aeronautical, will write to us confirming those discussions and I am please to report that we have had no unexpected pronouncements.  In effect this means we have been doing the right things to date.  There is one area where our previous thoughts had been adjusted and that was in relation to clearances close to landing routes calculations required for LPFM transmitters.  I will undertake analysis tomorrow to see what effect this on our coordination processes.  I am expecting the effects to be minimal.

 

Should everything go to plan we should be able publish a new GUL mid December.  I will advise if this timing can not be met.

 

Regards

 

Dave

David Robinson | Senior Engineer, Operational Policy and International Relations | Radio Spectrum Management and Energy Safety Group
Ministry of Economic Development
PO Box 1473, Wellington 6140, New Zealand
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----- Original Message -----

From: Allen Little

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:03 PM

Subject: [LPFM] Fw: LPFM Update

Greetings colleagues,

the forwarded message is for your information.

Cheers

Allen

 

Allen  J Little QSM,JP                            
7 Earl Street              Res Ph (06) 367-5900
Levin 5510                 Mobile (021) 025-33-330
---------------
Email:-       vision@...
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

----- Original Message -----

From: David Robinson

To: vision@...

Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:58 PM

Subject: FW: LPFM Update

Attention Alan Little

---

From: David Robinson
Sent: Monday, 17 November 2008 12:56 p.m.
To: 'Allen Little '
Cc: Jeff Hicks; Brian Miller
Subject: LPFM Update

Hi Alan,

 

I have been working to finish the calculations necessary so that we can publish about the end on this month.  As part of the process I have today had discussions with Airways and CAA to confirm the rules required for the coordination calculations in regard to the separation required between FMBC and LPFM transmitters and aeroplane landing routes and also in regard to the extent of the area where those calculations are required.

 

ACC, the regulatory authority for the safety of things aeronautical, will write to us confirming those discussions and I am please to report that we have had no unexpected pronouncements.  In effect this means we have been doing the right things to date.  There is one area where our previous thoughts had been adjusted and that was in relation to clearances close to landing routes calculations required for LPFM transmitters.  I will undertake analysis tomorrow to see what effect this on our coordination processes.  I am expecting the effects to be minimal.

 

Should everything go to plan we should be able publish a new GUL mid December.  I will advise if this timing can not be met.

 

Regards

 

Dave

David Robinson | Senior Engineer, Operational Policy and International Relations | Radio Spectrum Management and Energy Safety Group
Ministry of Economic Development
PO Box 1473, Wellington 6140, New Zealand
Free Phone 0508 RSM INFO (776 4636) or 0508 ESS INFO (377 4636) | DDI +64 4 474 2866 | Fax +64 4 978 3162
Visit our website: www.rsm.govt.nz or www.energysafety.govt.nz
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----- Original Message -----

From: neoteck pc repairs

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 12:37 PM

Subject: RE: [LPFM] looking for song

The Blue Gorilla is the one you want  ;)

 

Cheers

Leigh

www.BoomFM.co.nz

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: LPFM_Radio@... [mailto:LPFM_Radio@...] On Behalf Of Geoff Barkman
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 12:01 PM
To: LPFM_Radio@...
Subject: Re: [LPFM] looking for song

 

Yes it is a scary song.
I have it... I bought it from Real Groovy records about 2 months ago in
Dunedin. I played it one day on air for a laugh.
Cheers
Geoff
Denis Wadsworth wrote:
> Hi Folks
>
> Apologies in advance if this is not the correct forum to be posting this
>
> I am after a copy of a song by Suzanne Paul called 'Life begins at 40" a remake of the popular Dave and the Dynamos version.
>
> I have spoken to Suzanne and even she no longer has a copy of it. If anyone is able to help me out then it would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
> Denis
>
> 106.7 FM (old style radio)
> 11 Oriental street
> New Plymouth
> ph 06 7591443
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------

Yes it is a scary song.
I have it... I bought it from Real Groovy records about 2 months ago in
Dunedin. I played it one day on air for a laugh.
Cheers
Geoff
Denis Wadsworth wrote:
> Hi Folks
>
> Apologies in advance  if this is not the correct forum to be posting this
>
> I am after a copy of a song by Suzanne Paul called 'Life begins at 40" a
remake of the popular Dave and the Dynamos version.
>
> I have spoken to Suzanne and even she no longer has a copy of it.  If anyone
is able to help me out then it would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
> Denis
>
> 106.7 FM (old style radio)
> 11 Oriental street
> New Plymouth
> ph 06 7591443
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

----- Original Message -----

From: Herb

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 10:12 PM

Subject: [LPFM] Re: Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed

Someone professing to be Christian should be thinking about how to
best solve a dispute like this, not leave it as is (if one is living
by spirit/faith and not by law).

Not meaning to put too finer point on this, didn't Jesus say "Do you
think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division."
in Luke 12:51? In light of this, I'd be interested to hear how would
you explain your comment above?

Herb.

Someone professing to be Christian should be thinking about how to
best solve a dispute like this, not leave it as is (if one is living
by spirit/faith and not by law).

Not meaning to put too finer point on this, didn't Jesus say "Do you
think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division."
in Luke 12:51? In light of this, I'd be interested to hear how would
you explain your comment above?

Herb.

A phrase with the words pot .. kettle ..black comes to mind. Wonder why?

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., Edwin Hermann <edwin.h@...> wrote:
>
> I was feeding the Troll, ceejay.
>
> Feeding the Troll who is obviously ignorant and makes sweeping
> generalisations.
>
> I've proved my point.
>
> Now how about you go and Troll other message boards?
>
>
> On 18/10/2008, at 14:20 , ceejay7777 wrote:
>
> > Ah, I see. So, according to you, if you believe in one particular form
> > of god, you have more right to slam your message across the airwaves
> > than anybody else?
> >
> > That kind of opinionated bullshit explains why christianity is
> > becoming so on the nose around the world these days.
> >
> > --- In LPFM_Radio@..., Edwin Hermann <edwin.h@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > They probably have more of a divine right than the agnostics and
> > > atheist minority.
> > >
> > > On 17/10/2008, at 16:28 , ceejay7777 wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ah, that's the god-botherers for you .. think they have some
> > kind of
> > > > "divine" right.
> > > >
> > > > --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Denis Wadsworth" <mxpress@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Herb
> > > > >
> > > > > As the effected party, I'll fill you in on the details. The
> > > > Christian station set up on 106.9 and effectively wiped out a
> > large
> > > > part of our listening audience by doing so. They also similarly
> > > > effected another station on 107.1 but the absentee operators don't
> > > > appear to be aware of this so far.
> > > > > I contacted 106.9 and informed them what was happening. I also
> > > > pointed out that I was also 'blocking' a large potential
> > audience for
> > > > them, so it was a doubled sided blade. I recommended they move
> > to an
> > > > another available frequency (107.7) that was out of harms way for
> > > > everyone. They absolutely refused and a stalemate situation
> > developed.
> > > > In desperation I raised the finance and prepared to purchase the
> > > > additional equipment required to simulcast on 107.7 with my plan
> > being
> > > > to phase out broadcasting on 106.7 once it was established and the
> > > > audience adjusted to the new frequency. On the day I was going to
> > > > order the new gear, 106.9 also starting simulcasting on 107.7. The
> > > > reason being was to get better coverage as I was 'blocking' them
> > as
> > > > earlier pointed out. All they had to do was adjust their
> > frequency in
> > > > the first place and all would have been solved, not to add
> > another TX.
> > > > So my situation remained unchanged. There is also no where else
> > > > left that I can move to.At that point the local newspaper got
> > wind of
> > > > it and the rest is history. Unresolved I might add in spite of a
> > > > follow up article which suggested otherwise. So there you have it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > Denis
> > > > > 106.7 FM
> > > > > New Plymouth
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Herb
> > > > > To: LPFM_Radio@...
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:05 PM
> > > > > Subject: [LPFM] Re: Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ahhh, such is the nature of LPFM...
> > > > >
> > > > > IMHO he's doing nothing wrong legally. Morally? Prolly not
> > either.
> > > > >
> > > > > Me thinks that's the risk you take being on LPFM. Want
> > security? Do
> > > > > some research and, if possible, have a frequency engineered
> > for your
> > > > > situation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whatever happens, I hope the crowd on 106.7 don't resort to
> > > > getting a
> > > > > higher powered tx. That'll only make it worse for them and
> > LPFM as a
> > > > > whole. Maybe they should move elsewhere?
> > > > >
> > > > > Herb.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Peter Shaw" <akwccr@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > FYI, this email sent out to the LPFM distribution group:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To: LPFM Group2
> > > > > > Subject: (fwd) Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed -
> > > > > > 20081014-One Christian Radio upsetting LPFM Broadcaster in New
> > > > Plymouth
> > > > > > From: P R Shaw
> > > > > > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:46:34 +1300
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From the virtual pen of Society member Ray Mankelow, a
> > reference
> > > > to
> > > > > > this interesting article about an LPFM dispute in New
> > Plymouth. It
> > > > > > appears to be quite a bitter dispute that is taking place
> > there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Article is at the link below; the text from the article is
> > copied
> > > > > > after that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The pertinent point amid all the rhetoric lies in these two
> > > > paragraphs:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > +++++
> > > > > > "Ministry of Economic Development Radio Spectrum Management
> > > > compliance
> > > > > > manager Chris Brennan said the terms of the low-powered FM
> > licence
> > > > > > clearly stated there was no interference protection and two
> > > > stations
> > > > > > could broadcast on exactly the same frequency if they wanted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He said they tried to encourage a level of co-ordination among
> > > > > > stations, but that co-ordination appeared to have failed in
> > New
> > > > > Plymouth."
> > > > > >
> > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > +++++
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I pass this onto all you LPFM folk for your interest.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BRgds,
> > > > > > Peter
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TSOLPFMBI Secretary
> > > > > > ___________________
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:18:49 +1300, "Ray Mankelow" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >http://www.stuff.co.nz/dailynews/4726091a6002.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > ++++
> > > > +++
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2008104-One Christian Radio upsetting LPFM Broadcaster in New
> > > > Plymouth
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > ======================================================================
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tune in, turn on, get miffed
> > > > > > By MATT RILKOFF matt.rilkoff@ - Taranaki Daily News |
> > > > > > Tuesday, 14 October 2008
> > > > > > Email a Friend | Printable View | Have Your Say
> > > > > > MIKE SCOTT
> > > > > >
> > > > > > New Plymouth's Rose Proctor has two-stepped to easy-listening
> > > > radio
> > > > > > station 106.7FM for almost three years, but can no longer tune
> > > > into
> > > > > > the frequency, which is allegedly being overpowered by newly
> > > > started
> > > > > > One Christian Radio on 106.9FM.
> > > > > > Related Links
> > > > > > Subscribe to Archivestuff
> > > > > > Have your say
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stormtroopers, threatening phone calls and a lovelorn
> > pensioner
> > > > all
> > > > > > feature prominently in an almighty battle around free radio
> > > > > > frequencies in New Plymouth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The usually placid airwaves of the city's free low powered FM
> > > > stations
> > > > > > have turned treacherous since One Christian Radio began
> > pumping
> > > > out
> > > > > > tunes in August on the 106.9FM frequency.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Denis Wadsworth says his low-powered station, 106.7FM, two
> > > > "clicks"
> > > > > > away from 106.9, is being overpowered by the Christian
> > > > broadcaster,
> > > > > > leaving his central city listeners with static where once they
> > > > heard
> > > > > > his personally chosen tunes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mr Wadsworth says his Oriental St station has been
> > broadcasting
> > > > for
> > > > > > just over 2 1/2 years and was listened to by taxi drivers,
> > rest
> > > > home
> > > > > > residents and older people who appreciated the old style
> > music and
> > > > > > absence of advertising.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "An old lady came up to me. She said I can't get your radio
> > > > station
> > > > > > anymore because of those bloody Christians," said Mr
> > Wadsworth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He said if One Christian Radio changed its frequency to 107FM
> > > > their
> > > > > > competing signals would not overpower each other but the new
> > > > station
> > > > > > has refused to do so. "They can spread their good word. I
> > don't
> > > > give a
> > > > > > damn about that but these guys are acting more like
> > > > stormtroopers than
> > > > > > disciples," Mr Wadsworth said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One Christian Radio managing director James Cope said the
> > > > Liardet St
> > > > > > station was doing nothing wrong or illegal by broadcasting
> > on the
> > > > > > 106.9 frequency, which had been chosen in accordance with
> > expert
> > > > > > advice. "I was in HR (human resources) for 35 years. I do
> > > > everything
> > > > > > by the book."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He said he was disappointed some people wanted to disrupt
> > what he
> > > > > > described as a community station and claimed an anonymous
> > phone
> > > > call
> > > > > > by a hungover man proved Mr Wadsworth was out to get him.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "This is fact. He (Mr Wadsworth) said to guys over a bunch of
> > > > beers
> > > > > > that we're going to find a way to bring down One Christian
> > Radio."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He said other callers had questioned whether he was acting
> > in a
> > > > manner
> > > > > > befitting a Christian.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mr Wadsworth said he was not responsible for what other
> > people had
> > > > > > said and would never have condoned such phone calls.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, he said he had passed Mr Cope's contact details on to
> > > > some
> > > > > > disgruntled listen-ers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regardless of who is right in this CBD melee Liardet St
> > > > pensioner Rose
> > > > > > Procter, 82, is having to do without American tenor and
> > > > Hollywood hunk
> > > > > > Mario Lanza.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > She says the now dead singer is the love of her life and the
> > only
> > > > > > radio station on which she could hear his powerfully masculine
> > > > voice
> > > > > > was on 106.7FM.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "I'm dead miserable," she said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ministry of Economic Development Radio Spectrum Management
> > > > compliance
> > > > > > manager Chris Brennan said the terms of the low-powered FM
> > licence
> > > > > > clearly stated there was no interference protection and two
> > > > stations
> > > > > > could broadcast on exactly the same frequency if they wanted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He said they tried to encourage a level of co-ordination among
> > > > > > stations, but that co-ordination appeared to have failed in
> > New
> > > > > Plymouth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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----- Original Message -----

From: Gavin Stephens

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 3:42 PM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed

Likewise.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: averagesteward

To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 4:54 PM

Subject: [LPFM] Re: Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed

Hi all,
Sounds ok to blame the "god-botherers" lol, just don't blame God - He
probably was not even asked for his permission and he certainly would
not have given it. I'm a christian and I sometimes use the FM band for
localised translation purposes but I always careful to check first
that what I do won't cause any other transmission a problem. It really
bothers me when I hear of Christians doing such things.
Stewart

--- In LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au, "ceejay7777" <ceejay7777@...> wrote:
>
> Ah, that's the god-botherers for you .. think they have some kind of
> "divine" right.
>
> --- In LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au, "Denis Wadsworth" <mxpress@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Herb
> >
> > As the effected party, I'll fill you in on the details. The
> Christian station set up on 106.9 and effectively wiped out a large
> part of our listening audience by doing so. They also similarly
> effected another station on 107.1 but the absentee operators don't
> appear to be aware of this so far.
>

----- Original Message -----

From: averagesteward

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 4:54 PM

Subject: [LPFM] Re: Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed

Hi all,
Sounds ok to blame the "god-botherers" lol, just don't blame God - He
probably was not even asked for his permission and he certainly would
not have given it. I'm a christian and I sometimes use the FM band for
localised translation purposes but I always careful to check first
that what I do won't cause any other transmission a problem. It really
bothers me when I hear of Christians doing such things.
Stewart

--- In LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au, "ceejay7777" <ceejay7777@...> wrote:
>
> Ah, that's the god-botherers for you .. think they have some kind of
> "divine" right.
>
> --- In LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au, "Denis Wadsworth" <mxpress@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Herb
> >
> > As the effected party, I'll fill you in on the details. The
> Christian station set up on 106.9 and effectively wiped out a large
> part of our listening audience by doing so. They also similarly
> effected another station on 107.1 but the absentee operators don't
> appear to be aware of this so far.
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Denis Wadsworth

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 8:03 AM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed

Hi Herb

 

As the effected party, I'll fill you in on the details.   The Christian station set up on 106.9 and effectively wiped out a large part of our listening audience by doing so. They also similarly effected another station on 107.1 but the absentee operators don't appear to be aware of this so far.

I contacted 106.9 and informed them what was happening. I also pointed out that I was also 'blocking' a large potential audience for them, so it was a doubled sided blade. I recommended they move to an another available frequency (107.7) that was out of harms way for everyone. They absolutely refused and a stalemate situation developed. In desperation I raised the finance and prepared to purchase the additional equipment required to simulcast on 107.7 with my plan being to phase out broadcasting on 106.7 once it was established and the audience adjusted to the new frequency. On the day I was going to order the new gear, 106.9 also starting simulcasting on 107.7.  The reason being was to get better coverage as I was 'blocking' them as earlier pointed out. All they had to do was adjust their frequency in the first place and all would have been solved, not to add another TX.  So my situation remained unchanged.   There is also no where else left that I can move to.At that point the local newspaper got wind of it and the rest is history.  Unresolved I might add in spite of a follow up article which suggested otherwise. So there you have it.

 

Cheers

Denis

106.7 FM

New Plymouth

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Herb

To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:05 PM

Subject: [LPFM] Re: Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed

Ahhh, such is the nature of LPFM...

IMHO he's doing nothing wrong legally. Morally? Prolly not either.

Me thinks that's the risk you take being on LPFM. Want security? Do
some research and, if possible, have a frequency engineered for your
situation.

Whatever happens, I hope the crowd on 106.7 don't resort to getting a
higher powered tx. That'll only make it worse for them and LPFM as a
whole. Maybe they should move elsewhere?

Herb.

--- In LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au, "Peter Shaw" <akwccr@...> wrote:
>
> FYI, this email sent out to the LPFM distribution group:
>
> To: LPFM Group2
> Subject: (fwd) Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed -
> 20081014-One Christian Radio upsetting LPFM Broadcaster in New Plymouth
> From: P R Shaw
> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:46:34 +1300
>
> From the virtual pen of Society member Ray Mankelow, a reference to
> this interesting article about an LPFM dispute in New Plymouth. It
> appears to be quite a bitter dispute that is taking place there.
>
> Article is at the link below; the text from the article is copied
> after that.
>
> The pertinent point amid all the rhetoric lies in these two paragraphs:
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> "Ministry of Economic Development Radio Spectrum Management compliance
> manager Chris Brennan said the terms of the low-powered FM licence
> clearly stated there was no interference protection and two stations
> could broadcast on exactly the same frequency if they wanted.
>
> He said they tried to encourage a level of co-ordination among
> stations, but that co-ordination appeared to have failed in New
Plymouth."
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> I pass this onto all you LPFM folk for your interest.
>
>
> BRgds,
> Peter
>
> TSOLPFMBI Secretary
> ___________________
>
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:18:49 +1300, "Ray Mankelow" wrote:
>
> >http://www.stuff.co.nz/dailynews/4726091a6002.html
> >
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> 2008104-One Christian Radio upsetting LPFM Broadcaster in New Plymouth
> ======================================================================
>
>
> Tune in, turn on, get miffed
> By MATT RILKOFF matt.rilkoff@... - Taranaki Daily News |
> Tuesday, 14 October 2008
> Email a Friend | Printable View | Have Your Say
> MIKE SCOTT
>
> New Plymouth's Rose Proctor has two-stepped to easy-listening radio
> station 106.7FM for almost three years, but can no longer tune into
> the frequency, which is allegedly being overpowered by newly started
> One Christian Radio on 106.9FM.
> Related Links
> Subscribe to Archivestuff
> Have your say
>
> Stormtroopers, threatening phone calls and a lovelorn pensioner all
> feature prominently in an almighty battle around free radio
> frequencies in New Plymouth.
>
> The usually placid airwaves of the city's free low powered FM stations
> have turned treacherous since One Christian Radio began pumping out
> tunes in August on the 106.9FM frequency.
>
> Denis Wadsworth says his low-powered station, 106.7FM, two "clicks"
> away from 106.9, is being overpowered by the Christian broadcaster,
> leaving his central city listeners with static where once they heard
> his personally chosen tunes.
>
> Mr Wadsworth says his Oriental St station has been broadcasting for
> just over 2 1/2 years and was listened to by taxi drivers, rest home
> residents and older people who appreciated the old style music and
> absence of advertising.
>
> "An old lady came up to me. She said I can't get your radio station
> anymore because of those bloody Christians," said Mr Wadsworth.
>
> He said if One Christian Radio changed its frequency to 107FM their
> competing signals would not overpower each other but the new station
> has refused to do so. "They can spread their good word. I don't give a
> damn about that but these guys are acting more like stormtroopers than
> disciples," Mr Wadsworth said.
>
> One Christian Radio managing director James Cope said the Liardet St
> station was doing nothing wrong or illegal by broadcasting on the
> 106.9 frequency, which had been chosen in accordance with expert
> advice. "I was in HR (human resources) for 35 years. I do everything
> by the book."
>
> He said he was disappointed some people wanted to disrupt what he
> described as a community station and claimed an anonymous phone call
> by a hungover man proved Mr Wadsworth was out to get him.
>
> "This is fact. He (Mr Wadsworth) said to guys over a bunch of beers
> that we're going to find a way to bring down One Christian Radio."
>
> He said other callers had questioned whether he was acting in a manner
> befitting a Christian.
>
> Mr Wadsworth said he was not responsible for what other people had
> said and would never have condoned such phone calls.
>
> However, he said he had passed Mr Cope's contact details on to some
> disgruntled listen-ers.
>
> Regardless of who is right in this CBD melee Liardet St pensioner Rose
> Procter, 82, is having to do without American tenor and Hollywood hunk
> Mario Lanza.
>
> She says the now dead singer is the love of her life and the only
> radio station on which she could hear his powerfully masculine voice
> was on 106.7FM.
>
> "I'm dead miserable," she said.
>
> Ministry of Economic Development Radio Spectrum Management compliance
> manager Chris Brennan said the terms of the low-powered FM licence
> clearly stated there was no interference protection and two stations
> could broadcast on exactly the same frequency if they wanted.
>
> He said they tried to encourage a level of co-ordination among
> stations, but that co-ordination appeared to have failed in New
Plymouth.
>
> ------------------------------
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Denis Wadsworth

To: LPFM_Radio@...

Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 8:03 AM

Subject: Re: [LPFM] Re: Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed

Hi Herb

 

As the effected party, I'll fill you in on the details.   The Christian station set up on 106.9 and effectively wiped out a large part of our listening audience by doing so. They also similarly effected another station on 107.1 but the absentee operators don't appear to be aware of this so far.

I contacted 106.9 and informed them what was happening. I also pointed out that I was also 'blocking' a large potential audience for them, so it was a doubled sided blade. I recommended they move to an another available frequency (107.7) that was out of harms way for everyone. They absolutely refused and a stalemate situation developed. In desperation I raised the finance and prepared to purchase the additional equipment required to simulcast on 107.7 with my plan being to phase out broadcasting on 106.7 once it was established and the audience adjusted to the new frequency. On the day I was going to order the new gear, 106.9 also starting simulcasting on 107.7.  The reason being was to get better coverage as I was 'blocking' them as earlier pointed out. All they had to do was adjust their frequency in the first place and all would have been solved, not to add another TX.  So my situation remained unchanged.   There is also no where else left that I can move to.At that point the local newspaper got wind of it and the rest is history.  Unresolved I might add in spite of a follow up article which suggested otherwise. So there you have it.

 

Cheers

Denis

106.7 FM

New Plymouth

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Herb

To: LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:05 PM

Subject: [LPFM] Re: Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed

Ahhh, such is the nature of LPFM...

IMHO he's doing nothing wrong legally. Morally? Prolly not either.

Me thinks that's the risk you take being on LPFM. Want security? Do
some research and, if possible, have a frequency engineered for your
situation.

Whatever happens, I hope the crowd on 106.7 don't resort to getting a
higher powered tx. That'll only make it worse for them and LPFM as a
whole. Maybe they should move elsewhere?

Herb.

--- In LPFM_Radio@yahoogroups.com.au, "Peter Shaw" <akwccr@...> wrote:
>
> FYI, this email sent out to the LPFM distribution group:
>
> To: LPFM Group2
> Subject: (fwd) Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed -
> 20081014-One Christian Radio upsetting LPFM Broadcaster in New Plymouth
> From: P R Shaw
> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:46:34 +1300
>
> From the virtual pen of Society member Ray Mankelow, a reference to
> this interesting article about an LPFM dispute in New Plymouth. It
> appears to be quite a bitter dispute that is taking place there.
>
> Article is at the link below; the text from the article is copied
> after that.
>
> The pertinent point amid all the rhetoric lies in these two paragraphs:
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> "Ministry of Economic Development Radio Spectrum Management compliance
> manager Chris Brennan said the terms of the low-powered FM licence
> clearly stated there was no interference protection and two stations
> could broadcast on exactly the same frequency if they wanted.
>
> He said they tried to encourage a level of co-ordination among
> stations, but that co-ordination appeared to have failed in New
Plymouth."
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> I pass this onto all you LPFM folk for your interest.
>
>
> BRgds,
> Peter
>
> TSOLPFMBI Secretary
> ___________________
>
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:18:49 +1300, "Ray Mankelow" wrote:
>
> >http://www.stuff.co.nz/dailynews/4726091a6002.html
> >
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> 2008104-One Christian Radio upsetting LPFM Broadcaster in New Plymouth
> ======================================================================
>
>
> Tune in, turn on, get miffed
> By MATT RILKOFF matt.rilkoff@... - Taranaki Daily News |
> Tuesday, 14 October 2008
> Email a Friend | Printable View | Have Your Say
> MIKE SCOTT
>
> New Plymouth's Rose Proctor has two-stepped to easy-listening radio
> station 106.7FM for almost three years, but can no longer tune into
> the frequency, which is allegedly being overpowered by newly started
> One Christian Radio on 106.9FM.
> Related Links
> Subscribe to Archivestuff
> Have your say
>
> Stormtroopers, threatening phone calls and a lovelorn pensioner all
> feature prominently in an almighty battle around free radio
> frequencies in New Plymouth.
>
> The usually placid airwaves of the city's free low powered FM stations
> have turned treacherous since One Christian Radio began pumping out
> tunes in August on the 106.9FM frequency.
>
> Denis Wadsworth says his low-powered station, 106.7FM, two "clicks"
> away from 106.9, is being overpowered by the Christian broadcaster,
> leaving his central city listeners with static where once they heard
> his personally chosen tunes.
>
> Mr Wadsworth says his Oriental St station has been broadcasting for
> just over 2 1/2 years and was listened to by taxi drivers, rest home
> residents and older people who appreciated the old style music and
> absence of advertising.
>
> "An old lady came up to me. She said I can't get your radio station
> anymore because of those bloody Christians," said Mr Wadsworth.
>
> He said if One Christian Radio changed its frequency to 107FM their
> competing signals would not overpower each other but the new station
> has refused to do so. "They can spread their good word. I don't give a
> damn about that but these guys are acting more like stormtroopers than
> disciples," Mr Wadsworth said.
>
> One Christian Radio managing director James Cope said the Liardet St
> station was doing nothing wrong or illegal by broadcasting on the
> 106.9 frequency, which had been chosen in accordance with expert
> advice. "I was in HR (human resources) for 35 years. I do everything
> by the book."
>
> He said he was disappointed some people wanted to disrupt what he
> described as a community station and claimed an anonymous phone call
> by a hungover man proved Mr Wadsworth was out to get him.
>
> "This is fact. He (Mr Wadsworth) said to guys over a bunch of beers
> that we're going to find a way to bring down One Christian Radio."
>
> He said other callers had questioned whether he was acting in a manner
> befitting a Christian.
>
> Mr Wadsworth said he was not responsible for what other people had
> said and would never have condoned such phone calls.
>
> However, he said he had passed Mr Cope's contact details on to some
> disgruntled listen-ers.
>
> Regardless of who is right in this CBD melee Liardet St pensioner Rose
> Procter, 82, is having to do without American tenor and Hollywood hunk
> Mario Lanza.
>
> She says the now dead singer is the love of her life and the only
> radio station on which she could hear his powerfully masculine voice
> was on 106.7FM.
>
> "I'm dead miserable," she said.
>
> Ministry of Economic Development Radio Spectrum Management compliance
> manager Chris Brennan said the terms of the low-powered FM licence
> clearly stated there was no interference protection and two stations
> could broadcast on exactly the same frequency if they wanted.
>
> He said they tried to encourage a level of co-ordination among
> stations, but that co-ordination appeared to have failed in New
Plymouth.
>
> ------------------------------
>

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Ah, I see. So, according to you, if you believe in one particular form
of god, you have more right to slam your message across the airwaves
than anybody else?

That kind of opinionated bullshit explains why christianity is
becoming so on the nose around the world these days.

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., Edwin Hermann <edwin.h@...> wrote:
>
>
> They probably have more of a divine right than the agnostics and
> atheist minority.
>
> On 17/10/2008, at 16:28 , ceejay7777 wrote:
>
> > Ah, that's the god-botherers for you .. think they have some kind of
> > "divine" right.
> >
> > --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Denis Wadsworth" <mxpress@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Herb
> > >
> > > As the effected party, I'll fill you in on the details. The
> > Christian station set up on 106.9 and effectively wiped out a large
> > part of our listening audience by doing so. They also similarly
> > effected another station on 107.1 but the absentee operators don't
> > appear to be aware of this so far.
> > > I contacted 106.9 and informed them what was happening. I also
> > pointed out that I was also 'blocking' a large potential audience for
> > them, so it was a doubled sided blade. I recommended they move to an
> > another available frequency (107.7) that was out of harms way for
> > everyone. They absolutely refused and a stalemate situation developed.
> > In desperation I raised the finance and prepared to purchase the
> > additional equipment required to simulcast on 107.7 with my plan being
> > to phase out broadcasting on 106.7 once it was established and the
> > audience adjusted to the new frequency. On the day I was going to
> > order the new gear, 106.9 also starting simulcasting on 107.7. The
> > reason being was to get better coverage as I was 'blocking' them as
> > earlier pointed out. All they had to do was adjust their frequency in
> > the first place and all would have been solved, not to add another TX.
> > So my situation remained unchanged. There is also no where else
> > left that I can move to.At that point the local newspaper got wind of
> > it and the rest is history. Unresolved I might add in spite of a
> > follow up article which suggested otherwise. So there you have it.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Denis
> > > 106.7 FM
> > > New Plymouth
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Herb
> > > To: LPFM_Radio@...
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:05 PM
> > > Subject: [LPFM] Re: Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed
> > >
> > >
> > > Ahhh, such is the nature of LPFM...
> > >
> > > IMHO he's doing nothing wrong legally. Morally? Prolly not either.
> > >
> > > Me thinks that's the risk you take being on LPFM. Want security? Do
> > > some research and, if possible, have a frequency engineered for your
> > > situation.
> > >
> > > Whatever happens, I hope the crowd on 106.7 don't resort to
> > getting a
> > > higher powered tx. That'll only make it worse for them and LPFM as a
> > > whole. Maybe they should move elsewhere?
> > >
> > > Herb.
> > >
> > > --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Peter Shaw" <akwccr@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > FYI, this email sent out to the LPFM distribution group:
> > > >
> > > > To: LPFM Group2
> > > > Subject: (fwd) Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed -
> > > > 20081014-One Christian Radio upsetting LPFM Broadcaster in New
> > Plymouth
> > > > From: P R Shaw
> > > > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:46:34 +1300
> > > >
> > > > From the virtual pen of Society member Ray Mankelow, a reference
> > to
> > > > this interesting article about an LPFM dispute in New Plymouth. It
> > > > appears to be quite a bitter dispute that is taking place there.
> > > >
> > > > Article is at the link below; the text from the article is copied
> > > > after that.
> > > >
> > > > The pertinent point amid all the rhetoric lies in these two
> > paragraphs:
> > > >
> > > >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > "Ministry of Economic Development Radio Spectrum Management
> > compliance
> > > > manager Chris Brennan said the terms of the low-powered FM licence
> > > > clearly stated there was no interference protection and two
> > stations
> > > > could broadcast on exactly the same frequency if they wanted.
> > > >
> > > > He said they tried to encourage a level of co-ordination among
> > > > stations, but that co-ordination appeared to have failed in New
> > > Plymouth."
> > > >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > >
> > > > I pass this onto all you LPFM folk for your interest.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BRgds,
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > > > TSOLPFMBI Secretary
> > > > ___________________
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:18:49 +1300, "Ray Mankelow" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >http://www.stuff.co.nz/dailynews/4726091a6002.html
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > +++
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2008104-One Christian Radio upsetting LPFM Broadcaster in New
> > Plymouth
> > > >
> > ======================================================================
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tune in, turn on, get miffed
> > > > By MATT RILKOFF matt.rilkoff@ - Taranaki Daily News |
> > > > Tuesday, 14 October 2008
> > > > Email a Friend | Printable View | Have Your Say
> > > > MIKE SCOTT
> > > >
> > > > New Plymouth's Rose Proctor has two-stepped to easy-listening
> > radio
> > > > station 106.7FM for almost three years, but can no longer tune
> > into
> > > > the frequency, which is allegedly being overpowered by newly
> > started
> > > > One Christian Radio on 106.9FM.
> > > > Related Links
> > > > Subscribe to Archivestuff
> > > > Have your say
> > > >
> > > > Stormtroopers, threatening phone calls and a lovelorn pensioner
> > all
> > > > feature prominently in an almighty battle around free radio
> > > > frequencies in New Plymouth.
> > > >
> > > > The usually placid airwaves of the city's free low powered FM
> > stations
> > > > have turned treacherous since One Christian Radio began pumping
> > out
> > > > tunes in August on the 106.9FM frequency.
> > > >
> > > > Denis Wadsworth says his low-powered station, 106.7FM, two
> > "clicks"
> > > > away from 106.9, is being overpowered by the Christian
> > broadcaster,
> > > > leaving his central city listeners with static where once they
> > heard
> > > > his personally chosen tunes.
> > > >
> > > > Mr Wadsworth says his Oriental St station has been broadcasting
> > for
> > > > just over 2 1/2 years and was listened to by taxi drivers, rest
> > home
> > > > residents and older people who appreciated the old style music and
> > > > absence of advertising.
> > > >
> > > > "An old lady came up to me. She said I can't get your radio
> > station
> > > > anymore because of those bloody Christians," said Mr Wadsworth.
> > > >
> > > > He said if One Christian Radio changed its frequency to 107FM
> > their
> > > > competing signals would not overpower each other but the new
> > station
> > > > has refused to do so. "They can spread their good word. I don't
> > give a
> > > > damn about that but these guys are acting more like
> > stormtroopers than
> > > > disciples," Mr Wadsworth said.
> > > >
> > > > One Christian Radio managing director James Cope said the
> > Liardet St
> > > > station was doing nothing wrong or illegal by broadcasting on the
> > > > 106.9 frequency, which had been chosen in accordance with expert
> > > > advice. "I was in HR (human resources) for 35 years. I do
> > everything
> > > > by the book."
> > > >
> > > > He said he was disappointed some people wanted to disrupt what he
> > > > described as a community station and claimed an anonymous phone
> > call
> > > > by a hungover man proved Mr Wadsworth was out to get him.
> > > >
> > > > "This is fact. He (Mr Wadsworth) said to guys over a bunch of
> > beers
> > > > that we're going to find a way to bring down One Christian Radio."
> > > >
> > > > He said other callers had questioned whether he was acting in a
> > manner
> > > > befitting a Christian.
> > > >
> > > > Mr Wadsworth said he was not responsible for what other people had
> > > > said and would never have condoned such phone calls.
> > > >
> > > > However, he said he had passed Mr Cope's contact details on to
> > some
> > > > disgruntled listen-ers.
> > > >
> > > > Regardless of who is right in this CBD melee Liardet St
> > pensioner Rose
> > > > Procter, 82, is having to do without American tenor and
> > Hollywood hunk
> > > > Mario Lanza.
> > > >
> > > > She says the now dead singer is the love of her life and the only
> > > > radio station on which she could hear his powerfully masculine
> > voice
> > > > was on 106.7FM.
> > > >
> > > > "I'm dead miserable," she said.
> > > >
> > > > Ministry of Economic Development Radio Spectrum Management
> > compliance
> > > > manager Chris Brennan said the terms of the low-powered FM licence
> > > > clearly stated there was no interference protection and two
> > stations
> > > > could broadcast on exactly the same frequency if they wanted.
> > > >
> > > > He said they tried to encourage a level of co-ordination among
> > > > stations, but that co-ordination appeared to have failed in New
> > > Plymouth.
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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>

Hi Denis,

Thanks for that.

However, it still doesn't change my position (or the law). LPFM is
unlicensed, and therefore anyone could set-up anywhere in the
prescribed guardband regardless of who else is there.
Maybe it should be licensed, but it isn't.

I definitely feel more stringent rules should be placed on LPFM
operators, possibly more related to content than bandwidth though. I
personally think if there is already another station playing a similar
genre, say largely classical, and you propose to do the same then
forget it. Go join the other crowd. Simarly, if there is already a
Christian rock station on LPFM in your town and you want to do
something similar then the answer would be no. Go join the other
crowd. Also, LPFM should be only open to local operators, not as a
satellite delivery option. So, if your station depends on a 24/7
satellite feed, then find some other way of broadcasting. LPFM should
not be open to you.

This would help free up an already overcrowded LPFM band almost
immediately.

It would also stop one operator using two LPFM frequencies
broadcasting much the same programming in the same town.

Herb.

--- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Denis Wadsworth" <mxpress@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Herb
>
> As the effected party, I'll fill you in on the details.   The
Christian station set up on 106.9 and effectively wiped out a large
part of our listening audience by doing so. They also similarly
effected another station on 107.1 but the absentee operators don't
appear to be aware of this so far.
> I contacted 106.9 and informed them what was happening. I also
pointed out that I was also 'blocking' a large potential audience for
them, so it was a doubled sided blade. I recommended they move to an
another available frequency (107.7) that was out of harms way for
everyone. They absolutely refused and a stalemate situation developed.
In desperation I raised the finance and prepared to purchase the
additional equipment required to simulcast on 107.7 with my plan being
to phase out broadcasting on 106.7 once it was established and the
audience adjusted to the new frequency. On the day I was going to
order the new gear, 106.9 also starting simulcasting on 107.7.  The
reason being was to get better coverage as I was 'blocking' them as
earlier pointed out. All they had to do was adjust their frequency in
the first place and all would have been solved, not to add another TX.
  So my situation remained unchanged.   There is also no where else
left that I can move to.At that point the local newspaper got wind of
it and the rest is history.  Unresolved I might add in spite of a
follow up article which suggested otherwise. So there you have it.
>
> Cheers
> Denis
> 106.7 FM
> New Plymouth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Herb
>   To: LPFM_Radio@...
>   Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:05 PM
>   Subject: [LPFM] Re: Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed
>
>
>   Ahhh, such is the nature of LPFM...
>
>   IMHO he's doing nothing wrong legally. Morally? Prolly not either.
>
>   Me thinks that's the risk you take being on LPFM. Want security? Do
>   some research and, if possible, have a frequency engineered for your
>   situation.
>
>   Whatever happens, I hope the crowd on 106.7 don't resort to getting a
>   higher powered tx. That'll only make it worse for them and LPFM as a
>   whole. Maybe they should move elsewhere?
>
>   Herb.
>
>   --- In LPFM_Radio@..., "Peter Shaw" <akwccr@> wrote:
>   >
>   > FYI, this email sent out to the LPFM distribution group:
>   >
>   > To: LPFM Group2
>   > Subject: (fwd) Story in TDN: Tune in, turn on, get miffed -
>   > 20081014-One Christian Radio upsetting LPFM Broadcaster in New
Plymouth
>   > From: P R Shaw
>   > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:46:34 +1300
>   >
>   > From the virtual pen of Society member Ray Mankelow, a reference to
>   > this interesting article about an LPFM dispute in New Plymouth. It
>   > appears to be quite a bitter dispute that is taking place there.
>   >
>   > Article is at the link below; the text from the article is copied
>   > after that.
>   >
>   > The pertinent point amid all the rhetoric lies in these two
paragraphs:
>   >
>   >
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>   > "Ministry of Economic Development Radio Spectrum Management
compliance
>   > manager Chris Brennan said the terms of the low-powered FM licence
>   > clearly stated there was no interference protection and two stations
>   > could broadcast on exactly the same frequency if they wanted.
>   >
>   > He said they tried to encourage a level of co-ordination among
>   > stations, but that co-ordination appeared to have failed in New
>   Plymouth."
>   >
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>   >
>   > I pass this onto all you LPFM folk for your interest.
>   >
>   >
>   > BRgds,
>   > Peter
>   >
>   > TSOLPFMBI Secretary
>   > ___________________
>   >
>   > On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:18:49 +1300, "Ray Mankelow" wrote:
>   >
>   > >http://www.stuff.co.nz/dailynews/4726091a6002.html
>   > >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>   >
>   >
>   > 2008104-One Christian Radio upsetting LPFM Broadcaster in New
Plymouth
>   >
======================================================================
>   >
>   >
>   > Tune in, turn on, get miffed
>   > By MATT RILKOFF matt.rilkoff@ - Taranaki Daily News |
>   > Tuesday, 14 October 2008
>   > Email a Friend | Printable View | Have Your Say
>   > MIKE SCOTT
>   >
>   > New Plymouth's Rose Proctor has two-stepped to easy-listening radio
>   > station 106.7FM for almost three years, but can no longer tune into
>   > the frequency, which is allegedly being overpowered by newly started
>   > One Christian Radio on 106.9FM.
>   > Related Links
>   > Subscribe to Archivestuff
>   > Have your say
>   >
>   > Stormtroopers, threatening phone calls and a lovelorn pensioner all
>   > feature prominently in an almighty battle around free radio
>   > frequencies in New Plymouth.
>   >
>   > The usually placid airwaves of the city's free low powered FM
stations
>   > have turned treacherous since One Christian Radio began pumping out
>   > tunes in August on the 106.9FM frequency.
>   >
>   > Denis Wadsworth says his low-powered station, 106.7FM, two "clicks"
>   > away from 106.9, is being overpowered by the Christian broadcaster,
>   > leaving his central city listeners with static where once they heard
>   > his personally chosen tunes.
>   >
>   > Mr Wadsworth says his Oriental St station has been broadcasting for
>   > just over 2 1/2 years and was listened to by taxi drivers, rest home
>   > residents and older people who appreciated the old style music and
>   > absence of advertising.
>   >
>   > "An old lady came up to me. She said I can't get your radio station
>   > anymore because of those bloody Christians," said Mr Wadsworth.
>   >
>   > He said if One Christian Radio changed its frequency to 107FM their
>   > competing signals would not overpower each other but the new station
>   > has refused to do so. "They can spread their good word. I don't
give a
>   > damn about that but these guys are acting more like
stormtroopers than
>   > disciples," Mr Wadsworth said.
>   >
>   > One Christian Radio managing director James Cope said the Liardet St
>   > station was doing nothing wrong or illegal by broadcasting on the
>   > 106.9 frequency, which had been chosen in accordance with expert
>   > advice. "I was in HR (human resources) for 35 years. I do everything
>   > by the book."
>   >
>   > He said he was disappointed some people wanted to disrupt what he
>   > described as a community station and claimed an anonymous phone call
>   > by a hungover man proved Mr Wadsworth was out to get him.
>   >
>   > "This is fact. He (Mr Wadsworth) said to guys over a bunch of beers
>   > that we're going to find a way to bring down One Christian Radio."
>   >
>   > He said other callers had questioned whether he was acting in a
manner
>   > befitting a Christian.
>   >
>   > Mr Wadsworth said he was not responsible for what other people had
>   > said and would never have condoned such phone calls.
>   >
>   > However, he said he had passed Mr Cope's contact details on to some
>   > disgruntled listen-ers.
>   >
>   > Regardless of who is right in this CBD melee Liardet St
pensioner Rose
>   > Procter, 82, is having to do without American tenor and
Hollywood hunk
>   > Mario Lanza.
>   >
>   > She says the now dead singer is the love of her life and the only
>   > radio station on which she could hear his powerfully masculine voice
>   > was on 106.7FM.
>   >
>   > "I'm dead miserable," she said.
>   >
>   > Ministry of Economic Development Radio Spectrum Management
compliance
>   > manager Chris Brennan said the terms of the low-powered FM licence
>   > clearly stated there was no interference protection and two stations
>   > could broadcast on exactly the same frequency if they wanted.
>   >
>   > He said they tried to encourage a level of co-ordination among
>   > stations, but that co-ordination appeared to have failed in New
>   Plymouth.
>   >
>   > ------------------------------
>   >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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