Greetings quiet people,
I know we've all been pretty busy but just so you all know the list is still
alive :-) I've uploaded some pics of the enamelled keys that were
commissioned by the Baron & Baroness of Rowany to give to the various
Seneschals at Yule. Some of you were there to see them handed out but may
not have seen them up close. Jewellery scans really well! The keys are
sterling silver & the disks are fine (pure) silver. The enamelling
technique is cloissone. Oh Arenwald I bought a beauuutiful huge tome on
Limoge enamelling whilst I was in Perth at the Art Gallery of WA (one of the
finest bookshops around in my opinion...waves at Keagen who probably doesn't
believe me).
It also seems that Rudolf has finished his astrolabe & has gone on to
practise his woodwork & that the Moneyers Guild is getting kickstarted. Is
anybody here making coins for the presentation to the Crown at Festival?
Was thinking of doing some as we have a die here that was bought back from
Pennsic by Marcus but it seems I'm learning to make gambesons instead. How
does one learn how to stop letting sleep get in the way :-) On another note
I'm starting a new job at a well known Sydney metal casting house on Monday.
To access the website - http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/Metallum_Lochac
yis
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This issue has been raised before in the past, I dont know how many times as i am relatively new to the SCA (less then three years), but after a number of people have spoken to me and after having a talk with Their Royal Majesties, I have decided to bring it up again and see if we can get something.
I am putting out the call for all those in Lochac who are interested in forming a Moneyers Guild. I know that there are a lot of good gentles throughout our Kingdom who are interested in starting the art and I also know for sure that there are an aweful lot of people who already practise the art with a considerable amount of skill.
After talking with Their Majesties at Their Coronation in Krae Glas, They also expressed a keen interest in seeing the work of Lochac's Moneyers first hand. They suggested an oppurtune time to present them with any examples of struck coins (or other minting fashions) would be at the Rowany Festival this year.
Thus I suggest to all of you who are interested, two things.
One, if you are seriously interested in beginning the steps to estbalishing a Lochac Moneyers Guild then please contact me (offlist) about setting up a meeting during Festival to get the ball rolling.
And two, to help promote to both the Kingdom and Their Majesties the art of Moneying, and also to help in the case of us establishing a Guild, I would ask that everyone who is capable, interested and willing to bring along perhaps ten to twenty coins bearing Their Majesties' names and/or devices to this years Festival as a presentation.
There are a number of people throughout the Kingdom who have already expressed their willingness and eagreness to help anyone to the best of their ability in helping start them on the right track and give advice. There is also a very large presence in other Kingdoms (namely the Inter-Kingdom Moneyers Guild) who are very keen to see a Moneyers Guild emerge in Lochac and they also have a wealth of knowledge to share with anyone willing to listen.
So please contact me and start striking your coins before Festival.
Please pass this email onto anyone whom you think may be interested or any lists that i dont manage to post it onto.
>Need to engrave the back of the mater, index and shadow square. Will have
>to study & practice filigree >to fill in the pretty bits -- like
>illuminators, bare brass was considered somewhat anathematic to your
> >>>rank & file Astrolabe-maker. I may have to break down and finally
>learn how to draw an Acanthus leaf :-)
>YiS,
>Baron Rudolf von der Drau
Have fun with the filigree work! After having handsawn a celtic knotwork
design into a cuff bangle I don't envy you :-) The degree of fineness I saw
on the astrolabes shown on the links you posted were astounding. Instead of
handsawing, couldn't you etch the designs on instead? Less frustration
methinks. Have often thought of doing the hand engraving course run here in
Sydney at Enmore TAFE. It's a dying trade with only a couple of people left
who can be trusted with engraving seals etc into signet rings (in Sydney at
least).
Congrats on becoming a Shire!
Tyghra
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I have finished engraving the Rete and the 42deg. Climate Plate. As suspected, the best way was to turn a bunch of wooden/masonite (depending on what I had lying around) disks to the right diameter. Another nice thing about that method was I got to learn how to use a wood lathe... trammel points might have been better -- they're sort of a home-made beam compass with hardened scribing points, used by sheet metal workers -- but I couldn't find a set dainty enough for the job. Blue-tacked the disks where I wanted them and carved the brass around the edge, then labeled them in degrees azmuth. Calligraphy in brass is fun. Used a cheap little reciprocating engraver, because I didn't trust my skills with hand engraving tools yet.
I kept the resolution to 10degree circles, as I hadn't the patience to spend the necessary year cutting enough circles. Not stressed, can always add more later. Sprayed the polished surfaces with clear laquer & rubbed it clean -- hoping a monatomic layer is left to guard against verdigris.
Need to engrave the back of the mater, index and shadow square. Will have to study & practice filigree to fill in the pretty bits -- like illuminators, bare brass was considered somewhat anathematic to your rank & file Astrolabe-maker. I may have to break down and finally learn how to draw an Acanthus leaf :-)
Not satisfied with the index around the face of the Mater, may have to cut it back and re-engrave. Horse (pivot) and thumb ring are temporary, but it allows me to hold it up in it's fully assembled state and watch the light reflect off the engraving.
If I hold it up to the light and squint a bit, it looks like a completed Astrolabe. Looks can deceive, but the sense of satisfaction is beginning to build. I'll probably bring it to Festival to show off -- look for me in the Shire of Krae Glas (yes, it's official now!) encampment, ask for me amongst the Woodrose folk.
There's a bit more information on coin making in the email Master Brian sent
me, so for the moneyers amongst us (hope you don't mind Brian, but there's a
lot of valuable information here & it'll save you typing it again :-) ...
From Master Brian de Caffa -
>As Master Emmerich usually says "Greetings Thumbsmashers", Master Emmerich
>is the Minister of the InterKingdom Moneyers' Guild and he introduced me to
>the art. Should you be interested, there is an SCA moneyers newsgroup:
sca_moneyer@yahoogroups.com
>I am very happy that there is lots of interest in producing hammered coins.
>I have just subscribed to the Metallum list, I am sure it will be very
>useful to me, as I have built a furnace to melt bronze, but it only does
>sometimes. I'm sure that Their Majesties will be thrilled by lots more
>coins enriching the Realm. As I don't recall having met, I am Master Brian
>di Caffa, originally from Stormhold. My device: Or, fretty vert, a hen and
>a base rayonny gules. I moved to what is now the Eastern Isles of Lochac
>for work reasons, and am now living in the countryside a long way from any
>SCA group. I have made small numbers of coins for a number of reigns over
>the years, but realised that the small number I made will never achieve any
>form of circulation. Coins are in great demand, both by Royalty, including
>Barons, and also as event tokens. It is very satisfying to come across
>people who have received coins that I have made, and who greatly value
>them.
>
>I have attached a summary of coin making which I copied from the newsgroup.
>I also have a few suggestions about the way I like to make coins, and where
>to get supplies. Basically you need punches to bang a design, and dies to
>bang the design on. Also, flat discs of pewter which are put between the
>dies. The tools needed are a hammer, anvil (or big lump of iron) a grinder
>or sharpening stone, and sandpaper. There are lots of pictures of Medieval
>coins in Libraries and on the Internet, from which to base your designs.
>
>To get dies, you need to find a steel supplier. Ask for 25mm diameter cold
>rolled mild steel rod. About 40-50 cm will do. That is the cheapest part.
>Then ask them to cut it into 40mm lengths. They should charge between 50
>cents and 1 dollar per cut. It is a rough cut, but usually nice and square,
>and much better than doing it yourself. I linish the dies for a bit, then
>sit very fine sandpaper on a flat surface such as glass and rub the dies
>against the sandpaper to remove big scratches, and then buff them. It is
>important to keep the surface very flat during polishing and not let the
>edges wear away, as convex dies won't sit against each other well. Then you
>need to sand the end of each with progressively finer sandpaper. It is not
>necessary to have a mirror finish, but it makes prettier coins.
>
>The punches I use are made from masonry nails which are extremely hard and
>no need for heat treating them. Just grind the ends on a bench grinder
>without overheating them. A sharpening stone also works if you are without
>powertools. Some basic punches have the ends shaped thus: ( C c I - . and a
>small triangle. The only difficult shape is a tight c shape. There is no
>need to hit the punches very hard when doing the design. Every small
>scratch will show up nicely on the finished coin.
>
>Coin blanks are usually made from pewter and preferably lead free, although
>silver doesn't cost too much. If you can't find a pewter supply, you can
>get large sticks of solder from a BOC gas store. Apparently 95/5
>tin/antimony is popular. These melt in a tin can (I use tuna cans) on low
>heat on the stove. Then tip it slowly into a sink full of water (careful of
>spatter) to make blobs which can be hammered flat and then trimmed with
>scissors to make round blanks, or perhaps cast the molten pewter as coin
>blanks, as the Romans did. Alternatively, the sticks of solder can be
>hammered directly or passed through a metal roller to make sheets of
>pewter, and then these can be cut or punched out. The pewter should be a
>bit under 1 mm in thickness. Medieval coins were quite thin, and often very
>small. I usually make pennies (3/4 inch) or halfgroats (~1 inch). Pennies
>were a full days wage for semi-skilled workers, so much smaller coins were
>commonly used, however coins smaller than this are not popular with modern
>people.
>
>Then put the blank between two dies and hit it really hard with the biggest
>hammer or mallet that you can properly handle. I often hit off centre,
>which gives an uneven print on the coin, but you can realign the dies with
>the coin and hit it again, though this takes time, so accurate hitting is
>good. As you can see, making more than a couple dozen coins this way is
>time consuming.
>
>Let me know where things are unclear and I will endeavour to explain
>better. Please keep in touch both with successes and any problems.
>
>In Service
>Brian
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The new file is in word doc & can be found in the 'files' section at the
website. Master Brian kindly gave permission to repost it to the list for
all budding moneyers.
Tyghra
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Greetings Good Gentles,
I have just subscribed, and as has been mentioned, I am interested in
minting hammered coins. I also cast with pewter and am attempting to
cast with bronze.
The Seabys coin catalogue has some coin cleaning solutions for sale.
However, they recommend against modifying the coins if you want to
maintain their value. Just use a soft brush or cloth, if I remember
correctly, to remove dirt and dust. The solution could probably be
sourced from a coin and stamps place.
You can make nice shiny coins though, by putting them in Coca-Cola or
vinegar.
Brian
>
> I hear the lovely Eleanor accidentally returned the favour with
orange juice
> on your speakers though lol :-) !! As Master Brian has just joined
the list
> after kindly accepting my invitation to do so, I'm sure he can
enlighten us
> as to the best method of retaining the patina on old coins.
Welcome Brian!
> Ok moneyers now you have someone to ask for the best method for
anything
> coin related!
>
> Yours, in service...Tyghra
>
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Thanks for that Thanatos. I've invited Master Brian to join the list & as
I've just approved his membership, it looks like he'll soon be able to tell
us more about them. I asked his approval for the photo to go up, by the
way. Welcome again Brian :-)
>The pics have been uploaded under the folder, Brians Coins. It is only one
>pic with them all on it.
>
>YiS
>Than
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> Alfgeirr should know...Mr Alfgeirr is that all there is to cleaning
>old coins to retain the original >patina?
>
> I'm not sure, after I knocked over the bowl spilling oil and coins
>everywhere, I'm not allowed near them! : )
>
> Alfgeirr
I hear the lovely Eleanor accidentally returned the favour with orange juice
on your speakers though lol :-) !! As Master Brian has just joined the list
after kindly accepting my invitation to do so, I'm sure he can enlighten us
as to the best method of retaining the patina on old coins. Welcome Brian!
Ok moneyers now you have someone to ask for the best method for anything
coin related!
Yours, in service...Tyghra
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...all you ever wanted to know.
http://bjornsson.crosswinds.net/sca/isabel_as/norse-3-strand/norse-3-strand.htm
If I've posted this link before then I apologise...my brain's slightly
melted from the heat in western Sydney today combined with hot acid & a
blowtorch. Tomorrow's kiln day so I'm praying for cooler weather!
yours, in service
Tyghra
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Thanatos,
You can upload them on to the Metallum yahoo site at:
http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/Metallum_Lochac
Just create a new folder in the Photos area & upload away!
Tyghra
>I have a nice bunch of pics that Brian sent me himself of his work from
>ages ago to some relatively recent ones. It is quite interesting and good
>to see the detail of coins increase as they go on.
>
>YiS
>Than
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I have a nice bunch of pics that Brian sent me himself of his work from ages ago to some relatively recent ones. It is quite interesting and good to see the detail of coins increase as they go on.
Where can i send them? Rudolf do you have a site you can upload them onto?
Rudolf...any chance of scanning them & putting them up for all to admire? Shiny metal objects scan quite well usually. One of our Stowegians here has been buying up big on medieval coins via ebay. Prices don't seem too over the top. She cleans them by soaking them in olive oil & ...can't remember the rest. Maybe that was it. Alfgeirr should know...Mr Alfgeirr is that all there is to cleaning old coins to retain the original patina?
Tyghra
>Is that Master Brian de Caffa? I've seen his work, quite good. Delicate >and authentic work, >delivered by sledge. I think I still have a couple of >his coins stashed away. > >Rudolf
Rudolf...any chance of scanning them & putting them up for all to admire?
Shiny metal objects scan quite well usually. One of our Stowegians here has
been buying up big on medieval coins via ebay. Prices don't seem too over
the top. She cleans them by soaking them in olive oil & ...can't remember
the rest. Maybe that was it. Alfgeirr should know...Mr Alfgeirr is that
all there is to cleaning old coins to retain the original patina?
Tyghra
>Is that Master Brian de Caffa? I've seen his work, quite good. Delicate
>and authentic work, >delivered by sledge. I think I still have a couple of
>his coins stashed away.
>
>Rudolf
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Yes it is, i got in touch with him in a very round about way, through the Interkingdom Moneyers Guild and didnt realise who e was until Mistress Margie told me. He is very keen to get the coin production rolling.
Is that Master Brian de Caffa? I've seen his work, quite good. Delicate and authentic work, delivered by sledge. I think I still have a couple of his coins stashed away.
Rudolf
From: Thanatos [mailto:thanatos@...] Sent: Wednesday, 10 December 2003 4:01 PM To: Metallum Subject: [Metallum_Lochac] Moneyers Guild
Greetings All,
This issue was raised a while ago, in fact before last Festival i believe, but it has died down a little to my knoweledge. I have been contacted by a Lord Brian from the Eastern Isles (NZ) and he is very keen to get hammered coin production started on a larger scale in our Kingdom. I know that at the time of the previous spike in interest there were Moneying Handbooks available and some of them were sold. Brian can also get those people who are interested started in the right direction and advise them on the best tools to get to start up.
If any of you are seriously interested in starting some coin production then contact Brian on the following address and tell him that you are interested and introduce yourself. He doesnt check his email everyday so dont worry if you dont get a reply the next day, be patient. His email address is:
Is that Master Brian de Caffa? I've seen his work, quite good. Delicate and authentic work, delivered by sledge. I think I still have a couple of his coins stashed away.
Rudolf
From: Thanatos [mailto:thanatos@...] Sent: Wednesday, 10 December 2003 4:01 PM To: Metallum Subject: [Metallum_Lochac] Moneyers Guild
Greetings All,
This issue was raised a while ago, in fact before last Festival i believe, but it has died down a little to my knoweledge. I have been contacted by a Lord Brian from the Eastern Isles (NZ) and he is very keen to get hammered coin production started on a larger scale in our Kingdom. I know that at the time of the previous spike in interest there were Moneying Handbooks available and some of them were sold. Brian can also get those people who are interested started in the right direction and advise them on the best tools to get to start up.
If any of you are seriously interested in starting some coin production then contact Brian on the following address and tell him that you are interested and introduce yourself. He doesnt check his email everyday so dont worry if you dont get a reply the next day, be patient. His email address is:
This issue was raised a while ago, in fact before last Festival i believe, but it has died down a little to my knoweledge. I have been contacted by a Lord Brian from the Eastern Isles (NZ) and he is very keen to get hammered coin production started on a larger scale in our Kingdom. I know that at the time of the previous spike in interest there were Moneying Handbooks available and some of them were sold. Brian can also get those people who are interested started in the right direction and advise them on the best tools to get to start up.
If any of you are seriously interested in starting some coin production then contact Brian on the following address and tell him that you are interested and introduce yourself. He doesnt check his email everyday so dont worry if you dont get a reply the next day, be patient. His email address is:
Yep it is part of a hard wood handle that was around the work shop.
-- In Metallum_Lochac@..., "Lynette Hobcroft"
<morrigandesigns@h...> wrote:
> "Owen" <owain50@h...> wrote:
> > In owen's stuff folder. A new dagger i have justed finished ....
> > any one want to trade it for some armour :)
>
> Nice dagger...particularly the handle. Is it carved wood?
>
> Tyghra
"Owen" <owain50@h...> wrote:
> In owen's stuff folder. A new dagger i have justed finished ....
> any one want to trade it for some armour :)
Nice dagger...particularly the handle. Is it carved wood?
Tyghra
Greetings Dear Gentles,
Rose Armoury currently has a selection of various armour on the shelf ready
for sale. The list is as follows...
1 pair Archers Knees (heavy legal) $170
5 pairs Wingless Elbow Cops $50 a pair (can be sold singly...$25 ea)
3 pairs Clam Shell Pauldrons (shoulders) $150
3 Sword Cups..mild steel $75
1 Sword Cup..stainless steel (1.2mm) $100
Gothic elbows are on the way.
Please let me know if you wish to come over & view the above items or need a
jpeg sent (could take a few days). I can also drop items in to various
fighter practises if required.
Gauntlets...as there has been a fair bit of discussion about hand
protection, Rose Armouries is looking at producing different styles. Please
send any expression of interest and/or style preferred to 'Tyghra at Hotmail
dot com' . Rose Armouries Marketing Manager & Space Clearance Officer :-)
Please feel free to circulate this sales pitch to College Lists. Apolgies
to any list bosses except for Metallum.
Yours in Service...Tyg
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Sasha's last suggestion in his reply on the Lochac list in regards to
the Great Malachite Hunt was to try, as a last resort, the
Gemmological Association.
I would suggest that if one was wanting to have a look at some nice
examples of gemstones or wanting to do a course in Gemmology then
that would be the perfect place to start. As a supplier of gem rough
or polished materials...maybe not. Occasionally a sale of old stones
that have been replaced for the student study collection takes
place. But rarely, & usually they're finished stones not rough. How
do I know this...cause I lurked in the Sydney branch for around 6
years doing my various trade courses. As an ex-lab teacher there I
know for a fact that the Sydney branch is a good source of
information on where to find stuff but not to purchase from.
One of the best libraries on jewellery & stones though...particularly
period books.
yis...Tyg
(FGAA)Fellow of the Gemmological Association of Aust. but I'm really
a girl (sshhhh)!
True i was after raw material so i can do the work myself, I dont actually wont cabbs themselves, i am making some roman finger rings using period (whenever possible) method. Mainly that involves hand grinding and sanding on a piece of harder rock, leaher and suchlike. I am planning on making two round 'discs' to be mounted into a ring and on the flat top disc there will be a design carved into the malachite itself. I am debating whether or not to then to try and fill the carved out section with silver for added effect.
I used to actually do competition lapidary a while ago and so can whip a cabb up on the machines in no time, but i thought it would be a little more interesting to try to do it period.
Sasha's list of places might prove useful as i have tracked down the location and phone numbers of them, thankyou to all who have offered suggestions though, they were all recieved with thanks. I will let you know how i go.
I believe Thanatos is after raw material for cabbing himself? Sapphex, Gogoanna, & a hundred other gem suppliers can sell cabochons. That's why I didn't actually suggest them in the first place. Lapidary clubs (there are dozens, if not hundreds) can usually obtain raw material for cabbing. There's bound to be one in your area somewhere. Anwyn's suggestion on the Lochac list sounded good too. Let us know, Thanatos, if the mine can supply rough material. I would suggest though, that Malachite is cheap enough to bypass the long process of cabbing them yourself & just buy them in the size you want.
I believe Thanatos is after raw material for cabbing himself? Sapphex,
Gogoanna, & a hundred other gem suppliers can sell cabochons. That's why I
didn't actually suggest them in the first place. Lapidary clubs (there are
dozens, if not hundreds) can usually obtain raw material for cabbing.
There's bound to be one in your area somewhere. Anwyn's suggestion on the
Lochac list sounded good too. Let us know, Thanatos, if the mine can supply
rough material. I would suggest though, that Malachite is cheap enough to
bypass the long process of cabbing them yourself & just buy them in the size
you want.
Cheers,
Tyghra
>try saphex in sydney
>
>cheers mendoza
> >
> >Greetings all,
> >
> >Would anybody know of a suplier of Malachite in Australia that will sell
>me
> >single workable pieces. I can only find suppliers that will sell it to me
> >by the truck load or the finished product. I am only after enough raw
> >malachite for say two cabachons and an amulet. Anyone know of anyone?
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >
> >YiS
> >Thanatos
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try saphex in sydney
cheers mendoza
>From: "Thanatos" <thanatos@...>
>Reply-To: Metallum_Lochac@...
>To: "Metallum" <Metallum_Lochac@...>
>Subject: [Metallum_Lochac] Malachite
>Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:04:43 +1100
>
>Greetings all,
>
>Would anybody know of a suplier of Malachite in Australia that will sell me
>single workable pieces. I can only find suppliers that will sell it to me
>by the truck load or the finished product. I am only after enough raw
>malachite for say two cabachons and an amulet. Anyone know of anyone?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>YiS
>Thanatos
>
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Kodak Jewllers and Twin Metal Plazas in Melbourne have Malacite cabs. Also
depending on what quality you want, Master Thorfinn did have som 10mm round cabs
Cheers
Taffy
Quoting Thanatos <thanatos@...>:
> Greetings all,
>
> Would anybody know of a suplier of Malachite in Australia that will sell me
> single workable pieces. I can only find suppliers that will sell it to me by
> the truck load or the finished product. I am only after enough raw malachite
> for say two cabachons and an amulet. Anyone know of anyone?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> YiS
> Thanatos
>
>
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Try Thompsons Lapidary. He's in Hornsby, Sydney. I'll try & find his
numbers but he works from home & has small bits of all sort of lovely stuff.
That's where I got my soapstone for carving pewter moulds. He also sells
cheaper priced faceted & cabochoned one offs. I got a cheaply priced, but
nicely cut sapphire for a customer's nose stud. Beware the dogs ye who dare
visit! Probably not on the net but probably accessible through phone
directory assistance. Clive's a bit grumpy sometimes but an extremely
interesting chap. By the way Thanatos, I've not forgotten the tokens! Just
slow at present :-)
yis...Tyghra
>Would anybody know of a suplier of Malachite in Australia that will sell me
>single workable pieces. I can >only find suppliers that will sell it to me
>by the truck load or the finished product. I am only after >enough raw
>malachite for say two cabachons and an amulet. Anyone know of anyone?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>YiS
>Thanatos
>
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