Thanks Caron for the information on Roger. I wish I had known
as I would have gone to the funeral. I will get a card and send
it to Anne and the family.


---- Original message ----
>Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:44:27 +1100
>From: "Caron Hill" <sinaway@...>
>Subject: Re: [Weimaraner_Longhaired] Tails (or is it tales)??
>To: <Weimaraner_Longhaired@...>
>
>
>Hi All!
>OK Its against the law but if people want to dock their pups I
think it is
>up to them. They are the care givers and as Bill said, in my
opinion, tail
>docking of our breed was never cosmetic and we did it only
for the pups
>benefit.
>Those people still docking (the normal amount or the very
strange looking
>3/4 tail now seen) are the ones who have to deal with the law
and not you.
>I actually think that ,in the very near future, pups with docked
tails will
>be the ones that are at a disadvantage as there are judges
who never liked
>tail docking (from breeds that didn't previously dock) and they
might just
>put the pup lower down in the order because of it. It is too
soon to tell
>and law or not it is up to the individual and their own
conscience. Lets
>face it who has never gone over the speed limit (accidentally
or not) or
>used the hose at the wrong time! At the present time it is not
against
>canine council regulations like ear cropping so let them show
their pups and
>let the chips fall where they may.
>I have discussed at length my opinions with my vet and I am
happy to not
>dock at present. The vets have to fill out paperwork for every
docking they
>do(mature or not). Hopefully this paperwork can be used not
only for its
>intended purpose (to catch law breakers) but to also
document tail problems.
>What we should actively find out now is how this information
can be used to
>possibly have the tail docking ban overturned or at a
minimum if we can gain
>access to it.
>Lets find some positive energy and use it for good.
>I went to the funeral of Roger Knight yesterday. A fantastic
humanitarian.
>My condolences to Ann and his family. He passed away after a
battle with
>cancer. If we could be as positive as Roger in life we would
all be better
>off.
>Wishing everyone a Happy New Year!
>Caron Hill
>Sinaway Weimaraners since 1981
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <happylea@...>
>To: <Weimaraner_Longhaired@...>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:57 AM
>Subject: Re: [Weimaraner_Longhaired] Tails (or is it tales)??
>
>
>
>Bill I do understand.
>A few years ago I was asked to leave a tail on a pup that I
bred
>(which I did) and at about 6 month it got an infection about half
>way down the tail and the top fell off.
>If this puppy had been dock at birth I could not see a problem.
>
>But that does not change the law. Why should those of us who
>are abiding by the law be penalised?
>
>The other side too is once you have a criminal record (and that
>is what you will get) you can no longer be a member of the
CC.
>(as per the constitution) So then what happens to the Breed?
>
>---- Original message ----
>>Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:51:22 +1100 (EST)
>>From: "bill albion" <billalbion@...>
>>Subject: Re: [Weimaraner_Longhaired] Tails (or is it tales)??
>>To: Weimaraner_Longhaired@...
>>
>>
>>Hi liane and deb
>>I understand where you are coming from but there is another
>side of the argument too. You have said you cant afford the
fine
>to have docked tails. I say I cant afford the effects of not tail
>docking. ONe of my puppy owners had an undocked tail and
>then got a severe tail injury. $300 dollars later at vets and lots
>of bandages and the dog was in such pain she could no longer
>show it or even take it out of the house. Every night she had to
>wrestle the dog to the ground to bandage its tail whilst it
>screamed in agony. then when she took it out it would get so
>excited that it wagged its tail and reinjured it. It had to be
>scratched from all the royals and this dog was a best of breed
>specialty winner!!! 6 months later it has a hard knob on the
end
>of its tail and is starting to heal. My thoughts are:
>>how can we put our dogs through this type of pain and
>suffering just because ignorant people ban tail docking. HOw
>can we afford the vet bills? Tail docking was never for cosmetic
>reasons and dogs should never be judged on tail length. tail
>docking was always about protecting a dogs tail. Wait until one
>of your pups has a severe tail injury and suddenly you too will
>see what I mean. Win or lose in the ring is nothing to having
>your dog suffer this excruciating pain. Tails are not docked
>because some people think it doesnt look nice! All I can say is
>wait and see when it happens to you then you will change your
>mind.
>>
>>
>>On Tuesday, January 04, 2005 at 05:00:45 PM,
>Weimaraner_Longhaired@... wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello Deb,
>>> I actually agree with you. Judges would, in my opinion, be
>seen to be
>>> aiding breeders who still dock and would therefore,
perhaps
>be liable if a
>>> dispute were to ensue. We must remember, however, that
>this is only one
>>> Judge's opinion and perhaps it is just a question of
>educating our judges.
>>> Regards,
>>> Liane
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "DebNeumann" <happylea@...>
>>> To: <Weimaraner_Longhaired@...>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 4:44 PM
>>> Subject: [Weimaraner_Longhaired] Tails (or is it tales)??
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi All,
>>> >
>>> > I was wondering whether other members of the group
>have noticed that
>>> > their are still people docking?
>>> > I haven't been to a show since November and last
>weekend I was
>>> > astonded by the amount of baby puppies beinging shown
>with docked
>>> > tails. I don't just mean Weimaraner's but I saw
>Dobermanns and
>>> > Rotties as well.
>>> > I have just had a litter (which are all short hairs) and I
>haven't
>>> > docked the tails.
>>> > 1. I can't afford the fine which can be imposed.
>>> > 2. The law has been passed and we are supposed to
obey
>the law. (are
>>> > we not)?
>>> > Or are the laws there for a few & not others!!!
>>> > I know we fought against the laws for tail docking but it
>was lost so
>>> > what do we do now? Keep docking and hope we don't
get
>caught!!
>>> > The thing which surprises me is I spoke to an All Breed
>judge on
>>> > Saturday who has a docked breed and asked what they
>would do if they
>>> > had 2 pups come into the ring with 1 docked and 1 not.
>The reply I
>>> > got was they would put up the docked pup.
>>> >
>>> > Does this mean we are now wasting our time going into
>the ring with
>>> > our pups not docked?
>>> >
>>> > What is the CC going to do about these pups which are
>docked and
>>> > shouldn't be? Are they going to take action against
these
>breeders?
>>> >
>>> > What do other members think?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> >
>>> >
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>>Yahoo! Groups Links
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>Deborah Neumann
>Happylea Kennel
>Home of Weimaraners &
>Weimaraner Long Hairs
>Australian Kelpies
>& Jack Russells
>Established over 25 years
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Deborah Neumann
Happylea Kennel
Home of Weimaraners &
Weimaraner Long Hairs
Australian Kelpies
& Jack Russells
Established over 25 years