Hi Deb,
Please make sure you spell Ann without an "E" .
If any one would like to make a donation to Cancer research in memory of
Roger they can do so at
https://secure.donman.net.au/client/acrf/acrf.asp
select for type of donation "in memoriam"

You will need the next of kin info when they phone you the next day. I think
they confirm and send a notice out to the next of kin that a donation has
been made. that is very comforting to know.
Next of kin
Ann Knight
Lot 8 Badgerys Creek Road
Bringelly NSW 2171
Every little bit helps out.
I have made a $50-00 donation I would like to suggest those who new Roger
might like to do the same.
Thanks for your time.
Caron Hill

----- Original Message -----
From: <happylea@...>
To: <Weimaraner_Longhaired@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Weimaraner_Longhaired] Tails (or is it tales)??


>
> Thanks Caron for the information on Roger. I wish I had known
> as I would have gone to the funeral. I will get a card and send
> it to Anne and the family.
>
>
> ---- Original message ----
>>Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:44:27 +1100
>>From: "Caron Hill" <sinaway@...>
>>Subject: Re: [Weimaraner_Longhaired] Tails (or is it tales)??
>>To: <Weimaraner_Longhaired@...>
>>
>>
>>Hi All!
>>OK Its against the law but if people want to dock their pups I
> think it is
>>up to them. They are the care givers and as Bill said, in my
> opinion, tail
>>docking of our breed was never cosmetic and we did it only
> for the pups
>>benefit.
>>Those people still docking (the normal amount or the very
> strange looking
>>3/4 tail now seen) are the ones who have to deal with the law
> and not you.
>>I actually think that ,in the very near future, pups with docked
> tails will
>>be the ones that are at a disadvantage as there are judges
> who never liked
>>tail docking (from breeds that didn't previously dock) and they
> might just
>>put the pup lower down in the order because of it. It is too
> soon to tell
>>and law or not it is up to the individual and their own
> conscience. Lets
>>face it who has never gone over the speed limit (accidentally
> or not) or
>>used the hose at the wrong time! At the present time it is not
> against
>>canine council regulations like ear cropping so let them show
> their pups and
>>let the chips fall where they may.
>>I have discussed at length my opinions with my vet and I am
> happy to not
>>dock at present. The vets have to fill out paperwork for every
> docking they
>>do(mature or not). Hopefully this paperwork can be used not
> only for its
>>intended purpose (to catch law breakers) but to also
> document tail problems.
>>What we should actively find out now is how this information
> can be used to
>>possibly have the tail docking ban overturned or at a
> minimum if we can gain
>>access to it.
>>Lets find some positive energy and use it for good.
>>I went to the funeral of Roger Knight yesterday. A fantastic
> humanitarian.
>>My condolences to Ann and his family. He passed away after a
> battle with
>>cancer. If we could be as positive as Roger in life we would
> all be better
>>off.
>>Wishing everyone a Happy New Year!
>>Caron Hill
>>Sinaway Weimaraners since 1981
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <happylea@...>
>>To: <Weimaraner_Longhaired@...>
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:57 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Weimaraner_Longhaired] Tails (or is it tales)??
>>
>>
>>
>>Bill I do understand.
>>A few years ago I was asked to leave a tail on a pup that I
> bred
>>(which I did) and at about 6 month it got an infection about half
>>way down the tail and the top fell off.
>>If this puppy had been dock at birth I could not see a problem.
>>
>>But that does not change the law. Why should those of us who
>>are abiding by the law be penalised?
>>
>>The other side too is once you have a criminal record (and that
>>is what you will get) you can no longer be a member of the
> CC.
>>(as per the constitution) So then what happens to the Breed?
>>
>>---- Original message ----
>>>Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:51:22 +1100 (EST)
>>>From: "bill albion" <billalbion@...>
>>>Subject: Re: [Weimaraner_Longhaired] Tails (or is it tales)??
>>>To: Weimaraner_Longhaired@...
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi liane and deb
>>>I understand where you are coming from but there is another
>>side of the argument too. You have said you cant afford the
> fine
>>to have docked tails. I say I cant afford the effects of not tail
>>docking. ONe of my puppy owners had an undocked tail and
>>then got a severe tail injury. $300 dollars later at vets and lots
>>of bandages and the dog was in such pain she could no longer
>>show it or even take it out of the house. Every night she had to
>>wrestle the dog to the ground to bandage its tail whilst it
>>screamed in agony. then when she took it out it would get so
>>excited that it wagged its tail and reinjured it. It had to be
>>scratched from all the royals and this dog was a best of breed
>>specialty winner!!! 6 months later it has a hard knob on the
> end
>>of its tail and is starting to heal. My thoughts are:
>>>how can we put our dogs through this type of pain and
>>suffering just because ignorant people ban tail docking. HOw
>>can we afford the vet bills? Tail docking was never for cosmetic
>>reasons and dogs should never be judged on tail length. tail
>>docking was always about protecting a dogs tail. Wait until one
>>of your pups has a severe tail injury and suddenly you too will
>>see what I mean. Win or lose in the ring is nothing to having
>>your dog suffer this excruciating pain. Tails are not docked
>>because some people think it doesnt look nice! All I can say is
>>wait and see when it happens to you then you will change your
>>mind.
>>>
>>>
>>>On Tuesday, January 04, 2005 at 05:00:45 PM,
>>Weimaraner_Longhaired@... wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Deb,
>>>> I actually agree with you. Judges would, in my opinion, be
>>seen to be
>>>> aiding breeders who still dock and would therefore,
> perhaps
>>be liable if a
>>>> dispute were to ensue. We must remember, however, that
>>this is only one
>>>> Judge's opinion and perhaps it is just a question of
>>educating our judges.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Liane
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "DebNeumann" <happylea@...>
>>>> To: <Weimaraner_Longhaired@...>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 4:44 PM
>>>> Subject: [Weimaraner_Longhaired] Tails (or is it tales)??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi All,
>>>> >
>>>> > I was wondering whether other members of the group
>>have noticed that
>>>> > their are still people docking?
>>>> > I haven't been to a show since November and last
>>weekend I was
>>>> > astonded by the amount of baby puppies beinging shown
>>with docked
>>>> > tails. I don't just mean Weimaraner's but I saw
>>Dobermanns and
>>>> > Rotties as well.
>>>> > I have just had a litter (which are all short hairs) and I
>>haven't
>>>> > docked the tails.
>>>> > 1. I can't afford the fine which can be imposed.
>>>> > 2. The law has been passed and we are supposed to
> obey
>>the law. (are
>>>> > we not)?
>>>> > Or are the laws there for a few & not others!!!
>>>> > I know we fought against the laws for tail docking but it
>>was lost so
>>>> > what do we do now? Keep docking and hope we don't
> get
>>caught!!
>>>> > The thing which surprises me is I spoke to an All Breed
>>judge on
>>>> > Saturday who has a docked breed and asked what they
>>would do if they
>>>> > had 2 pups come into the ring with 1 docked and 1 not.
>>The reply I
>>>> > got was they would put up the docked pup.
>>>> >
>>>> > Does this mean we are now wasting our time going into
>>the ring with
>>>> > our pups not docked?
>>>> >
>>>> > What is the CC going to do about these pups which are
>>docked and
>>>> > shouldn't be? Are they going to take action against
> these
>>breeders?
>>>> >
>>>> > What do other members think?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>>>www.tasmail.com
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>>>
>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/Weimaraner_Longhaired/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Deborah Neumann
>>Happylea Kennel
>>Home of Weimaraners &
>>Weimaraner Long Hairs
>>Australian Kelpies
>>& Jack Russells
>>Established over 25 years
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>>Yahoo! Groups Links
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>>Yahoo! Groups Links
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> Deborah Neumann
> Happylea Kennel
> Home of Weimaraners &
> Weimaraner Long Hairs
> Australian Kelpies
> & Jack Russells
> Established over 25 years
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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