Thanks Caron.


---- Original message ----
>Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:22:49 +1100
>From: "Caron Hill" <sinaway@...>
>Subject: Re: [Weimaraner_Longhaired] Tails (or is it tales)??
>To: <Weimaraner_Longhaired@...>
>
>
>Hi Deb,
>Please make sure you spell Ann without an "E" .
>If any one would like to make a donation to Cancer research
in memory of
>Roger they can do so at
>https://secure.donman.net.au/client/acrf/acrf.asp
> select for type of donation "in memoriam"
>
>You will need the next of kin info when they phone you the
next day. I think
>they confirm and send a notice out to the next of kin that a
donation has
>been made. that is very comforting to know.
>Next of kin
>Ann Knight
>Lot 8 Badgerys Creek Road
>Bringelly NSW 2171
>Every little bit helps out.
>I have made a $50-00 donation I would like to suggest those
who new Roger
>might like to do the same.
>Thanks for your time.
>Caron Hill
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <happylea@...>
>To: <Weimaraner_Longhaired@...>
>Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 8:56 AM
>Subject: Re: [Weimaraner_Longhaired] Tails (or is it tales)??
>
>
>>
>> Thanks Caron for the information on Roger. I wish I had
known
>> as I would have gone to the funeral. I will get a card and
send
>> it to Anne and the family.
>>
>>
>> ---- Original message ----
>>>Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:44:27 +1100
>>>From: "Caron Hill" <sinaway@...>
>>>Subject: Re: [Weimaraner_Longhaired] Tails (or is it
tales)??
>>>To: <Weimaraner_Longhaired@...>
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi All!
>>>OK Its against the law but if people want to dock their pups
I
>> think it is
>>>up to them. They are the care givers and as Bill said, in my
>> opinion, tail
>>>docking of our breed was never cosmetic and we did it only
>> for the pups
>>>benefit.
>>>Those people still docking (the normal amount or the very
>> strange looking
>>>3/4 tail now seen) are the ones who have to deal with the
law
>> and not you.
>>>I actually think that ,in the very near future, pups with
docked
>> tails will
>>>be the ones that are at a disadvantage as there are judges
>> who never liked
>>>tail docking (from breeds that didn't previously dock) and
they
>> might just
>>>put the pup lower down in the order because of it. It is too
>> soon to tell
>>>and law or not it is up to the individual and their own
>> conscience. Lets
>>>face it who has never gone over the speed limit
(accidentally
>> or not) or
>>>used the hose at the wrong time! At the present time it is
not
>> against
>>>canine council regulations like ear cropping so let them
show
>> their pups and
>>>let the chips fall where they may.
>>>I have discussed at length my opinions with my vet and I
am
>> happy to not
>>>dock at present. The vets have to fill out paperwork for
every
>> docking they
>>>do(mature or not). Hopefully this paperwork can be used
not
>> only for its
>>>intended purpose (to catch law breakers) but to also
>> document tail problems.
>>>What we should actively find out now is how this information
>> can be used to
>>>possibly have the tail docking ban overturned or at a
>> minimum if we can gain
>>>access to it.
>>>Lets find some positive energy and use it for good.
>>>I went to the funeral of Roger Knight yesterday. A fantastic
>> humanitarian.
>>>My condolences to Ann and his family. He passed away
after a
>> battle with
>>>cancer. If we could be as positive as Roger in life we would
>> all be better
>>>off.
>>>Wishing everyone a Happy New Year!
>>>Caron Hill
>>>Sinaway Weimaraners since 1981
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: <happylea@...>
>>>To: <Weimaraner_Longhaired@...>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:57 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Weimaraner_Longhaired] Tails (or is it
tales)??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Bill I do understand.
>>>A few years ago I was asked to leave a tail on a pup that I
>> bred
>>>(which I did) and at about 6 month it got an infection about
half
>>>way down the tail and the top fell off.
>>>If this puppy had been dock at birth I could not see a
problem.
>>>
>>>But that does not change the law. Why should those of us
who
>>>are abiding by the law be penalised?
>>>
>>>The other side too is once you have a criminal record (and
that
>>>is what you will get) you can no longer be a member of the
>> CC.
>>>(as per the constitution) So then what happens to the
Breed?
>>>
>>>---- Original message ----
>>>>Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:51:22 +1100 (EST)
>>>>From: "bill albion" <billalbion@...>
>>>>Subject: Re: [Weimaraner_Longhaired] Tails (or is it
tales)??
>>>>To: Weimaraner_Longhaired@...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hi liane and deb
>>>>I understand where you are coming from but there is
another
>>>side of the argument too. You have said you cant afford the
>> fine
>>>to have docked tails. I say I cant afford the effects of not
tail
>>>docking. ONe of my puppy owners had an undocked tail and
>>>then got a severe tail injury. $300 dollars later at vets and
lots
>>>of bandages and the dog was in such pain she could no
longer
>>>show it or even take it out of the house. Every night she
had to
>>>wrestle the dog to the ground to bandage its tail whilst it
>>>screamed in agony. then when she took it out it would get
so
>>>excited that it wagged its tail and reinjured it. It had to be
>>>scratched from all the royals and this dog was a best of
breed
>>>specialty winner!!! 6 months later it has a hard knob on the
>> end
>>>of its tail and is starting to heal. My thoughts are:
>>>>how can we put our dogs through this type of pain and
>>>suffering just because ignorant people ban tail docking.
HOw
>>>can we afford the vet bills? Tail docking was never for
cosmetic
>>>reasons and dogs should never be judged on tail length. tail
>>>docking was always about protecting a dogs tail. Wait until
one
>>>of your pups has a severe tail injury and suddenly you too
will
>>>see what I mean. Win or lose in the ring is nothing to
having
>>>your dog suffer this excruciating pain. Tails are not docked
>>>because some people think it doesnt look nice! All I can
say is
>>>wait and see when it happens to you then you will change
your
>>>mind.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Tuesday, January 04, 2005 at 05:00:45 PM,
>>>Weimaraner_Longhaired@... wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Deb,
>>>>> I actually agree with you. Judges would, in my opinion,
be
>>>seen to be
>>>>> aiding breeders who still dock and would therefore,
>> perhaps
>>>be liable if a
>>>>> dispute were to ensue. We must remember, however,
that
>>>this is only one
>>>>> Judge's opinion and perhaps it is just a question of
>>>educating our judges.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Liane
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "DebNeumann" <happylea@...>
>>>>> To: <Weimaraner_Longhaired@...>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 4:44 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Weimaraner_Longhaired] Tails (or is it
tales)??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hi All,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I was wondering whether other members of the group
>>>have noticed that
>>>>> > their are still people docking?
>>>>> > I haven't been to a show since November and last
>>>weekend I was
>>>>> > astonded by the amount of baby puppies beinging
shown
>>>with docked
>>>>> > tails. I don't just mean Weimaraner's but I saw
>>>Dobermanns and
>>>>> > Rotties as well.
>>>>> > I have just had a litter (which are all short hairs) and
I
>>>haven't
>>>>> > docked the tails.
>>>>> > 1. I can't afford the fine which can be imposed.
>>>>> > 2. The law has been passed and we are supposed to
>> obey
>>>the law. (are
>>>>> > we not)?
>>>>> > Or are the laws there for a few & not others!!!
>>>>> > I know we fought against the laws for tail docking but
it
>>>was lost so
>>>>> > what do we do now? Keep docking and hope we don't
>> get
>>>caught!!
>>>>> > The thing which surprises me is I spoke to an All
Breed
>>>judge on
>>>>> > Saturday who has a docked breed and asked what
they
>>>would do if they
>>>>> > had 2 pups come into the ring with 1 docked and 1
not.
>>>The reply I
>>>>> > got was they would put up the docked pup.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Does this mean we are now wasting our time going
into
>>>the ring with
>>>>> > our pups not docked?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > What is the CC going to do about these pups which
are
>>>docked and
>>>>> > shouldn't be? Are they going to take action against
>> these
>>>breeders?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > What do other members think?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>
>>>http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/Weimaraner_Longhaired
/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Deborah Neumann
>>>Happylea Kennel
>>>Home of Weimaraners &
>>>Weimaraner Long Hairs
>>>Australian Kelpies
>>>& Jack Russells
>>>Established over 25 years
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>> http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/Weimaraner_Longhaired/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Deborah Neumann
>> Happylea Kennel
>> Home of Weimaraners &
>> Weimaraner Long Hairs
>> Australian Kelpies
>> & Jack Russells
>> Established over 25 years
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
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>Yahoo! Groups Links
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http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/Weimaraner_Longhaired/
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Deborah Neumann
Happylea Kennel
Home of Weimaraners &
Weimaraner Long Hairs
Australian Kelpies
& Jack Russells
Established over 25 years