If you go here;
http://www.landonline.com.au/skyviewwa/content/asp/skyviewwa_index.asp?produ
ct_group_id=78 , you will find aerial photos of WA kindly provided by our
government (this is by far the best aerial photo viewer provided by any
government in Australia that I've seen so far - we're being well served for
this stuff).  Zooming in to where the huts are (you can find the ones out in
the open) and then using the arrow cursor click on where the hut seems to be
and the easting & northing coordinates will be displayed. This is a very
useful site!

cheers all & Merry Christmas,
Gyro



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The tracks4aus does have the Bib track marked on the maps, if you have
all of the bib tack maps themselves it would not be that hard to plot
all of the huts.
and then once you have all of those huts marked it would not be that
hard to make up a gpx file, if thats what you wanted but the gpx file
would not contain that much data I would not think.
Andrew_p2

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> At 03:25 PM 30/11/2005, you wrote:
> >Thanks Andrew...
> >
> >I see there is some good stuff on http://www.walkgps.com/ and I
also
> >see that the latest version of Tracks4Australia V1.10
> >http://www.gpsoz.com.au/tracks4australia/ has the Bibbulmun Track
> >marked on it if you zoom in close enough. So that's a good start.
>
> Haven't looked yet at the Tracks4Australia, but is it possible to
get
> the coordiantes for each campsite and build your own gpx file?
>
> >Looks like I might have to take a couple of months off and go and
> >walk the thing, waypointing all the shelters as I go.
>
> Now that is a plan. The other option is a virtual map walk and build
> a gpx file :-)
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I just downloaded the Lane_Poole waypoints from http://www.walkgps.com/ and
overlaid them on the Tracks4Australia map. The waypoints that are said to be on
the Bibbulmun Track were bang on the dotted line. I take it from this that the
track on Tracks4Australia is very accurate. As I would have these maps loaded
into my Garmin 60CS if I came over, I guess that is a fairly good start.



On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:08:41 +0800, Andrew Priest wrote:
> At 03:25 PM 30/11/2005, you wrote:
>> Thanks Andrew...
>>
>> I see there is some good stuff on http://www.walkgps.com/ and I
>> also see that the latest version of Tracks4Australia V1.10
>> http://www.gpsoz.com.au/tracks4australia/ has the Bibbulmun Track
>> marked on it if you zoom in close enough. So that's a good start.
>>
>
> Haven't looked yet at the Tracks4Australia, but is it possible to
> get the coordiantes for each campsite and build your own gpx file?
>
>> Looks like I might have to take a couple of months off and go and
>> walk the thing, waypointing all the shelters as I go.
>>
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> Now that is a plan. The other option is a virtual map walk and
> build a gpx file :-)
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At 03:25 PM 30/11/2005, you wrote:
>Thanks Andrew...
>
>I see there is some good stuff on http://www.walkgps.com/ and I also
>see that the latest version of Tracks4Australia V1.10
>http://www.gpsoz.com.au/tracks4australia/ has the Bibbulmun Track
>marked on it if you zoom in close enough. So that's a good start.

Haven't looked yet at the Tracks4Australia, but is it possible to get
the coordiantes for each campsite and build your own gpx file?

>Looks like I might have to take a couple of months off and go and
>walk the thing, waypointing all the shelters as I go.

Now that is a plan. The other option is a virtual map walk and build
a gpx file :-)

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Thanks Andrew...

I see there is some good stuff on http://www.walkgps.com/ and I also see that
the latest version of Tracks4Australia V1.10
http://www.gpsoz.com.au/tracks4australia/ has the Bibbulmun Track marked on it
if you zoom in close enough. So that's a good start.

Looks like I might have to take a couple of months off and go and walk the
thing, waypointing all the shelters as I go.

I friend of mine walked it alone a couple of years ago and had a great time.



On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:26:43 +0800, Andrew Priest wrote:
> At 02:42 AM 30/11/2005, you wrote:
>
>> Just wondering if anyone has GPS data for the Bibbulmun Track.
>>
>>  Looking for a complete set of waypoints of shelters and points
>> of   interest, also possibly a route or even a track.
>>
>>  Many thanks in anticipation....
>>
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At 02:42 AM 30/11/2005, you wrote:

>Just wondering if anyone has GPS data for the Bibbulmun Track.
>
>  Looking for a complete set of waypoints of shelters and points of
>  interest, also possibly a route or even a track.
>
>  Many thanks in anticipation....

Dear Peter

Sorry can't help you, but if you come across something, would love to
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Just wondering if anyone has GPS data for the Bibbulmun Track.

 Looking for a complete set of waypoints of shelters and points of
 interest, also possibly a route or even a track.

 Many thanks in anticipation....

Oh Dear, naughty people you are.
It's NOT a good idea to go walking in our climate with LESS then 2 litres of
water per person per day.
Trying to make your water stretch out is also, NOT a good idea, the body needs
it to function correctly, drink it BEFORE you become thirsty.
It may also have escaped the attention of many people, but there is much water
available alongside the Bibbulmun track, as well as the huts.
It's a very good habit to refill your water containers whenever coming across
such a water source.
Always carry some water treatment pills and USE them, despite the water having
some "COLOUR" it does not mean you can't drink it.
In fact you'd be amazed at what you can drink without becoming ill as a result.
I've drank water from sources that had tadpoles swimming in it.
Mosquito larve and wrigglers, mud colouration, and even on one occasion, SALT.
The latter is DEFINATELY NOT A GOOD IDEA.
If you suspect any salt in the water source, AVOID IT LIKE THE PLAGUE. It'll do
you untold damge before the day will be out.
Common sense should prevail at all times.

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Phill it is great to see you getting out, going out with close or loved ones is
a great way to see the outdoors and become closer. Over my few year (very few)
i originaly have started in other outdoor fields and have been in some trying
times on my body. Just a note to anyone who might want to know, it is possible
for someone to survive on 330mls for two days (only had to try that long) in
extreme heat and still be rather comfortable, the main idea is not to eat, it
uses large ammounts of water and energy to break down food thus making  you
thirsty, never the less along places like the bib track there is no need to go
through that. One extra litre of water is only one kilo, and if you complain
about it just drink it.

Cheers,
Tonks

Quoting Phil <gr0mit@...>:

> On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:18:47 +0800, you wrote:
>
> >I personally dont see the worry in water on the track. Like someone said
> there
> >is at least one tank at each hut and the busy ones have two. If you are
> realy
> >worried do the safe thing and take in 1 extra litre for dinner and coffee in
>
> >the morning if a over nighter. The liklyhood of two tanks being dry should
> be
> >small, saying that this weekend i will probably find two dry tanks in a
> row.
>
> [snip]
>
> My girlfriend and I walked from Hills Forest Discovery Centre to
> Helena campsite last Sunday. Noticed only 1 tank at Ball Creek and 2
> at Helena.
>
> We were both surprised by the intensity (i.e. steep hills) of the
> walk, especially the section between the 2 crossings of Allen Rd and
> along Driver Rd. It was pretty warm and we consumed 1.5l of water
> between us getting there (took about 4 hours). We gulped down 600ml
> each on reaching Helena and filled all our bottles (2.7l) from the
> tanks.
>
> We were slightly unfit for the task but after a good rest was OK to
> return. The water quality at Helena (closest tank to the hut) was
> fine, although it had a brackish appearance. Ball Creek's water was
> clear. Not surprised at the colour of the water as it had been raining
> the previous night.
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:18:47 +0800, you wrote:

>I personally dont see the worry in water on the track. Like someone said there
>is at least one tank at each hut and the busy ones have two. If you are realy
>worried do the safe thing and take in 1 extra litre for dinner and coffee in
>the morning if a over nighter. The liklyhood of two tanks being dry should be
>small, saying that this weekend i will probably find two dry tanks in a row.

[snip]

My girlfriend and I walked from Hills Forest Discovery Centre to
Helena campsite last Sunday. Noticed only 1 tank at Ball Creek and 2
at Helena.

We were both surprised by the intensity (i.e. steep hills) of the
walk, especially the section between the 2 crossings of Allen Rd and
along Driver Rd. It was pretty warm and we consumed 1.5l of water
between us getting there (took about 4 hours). We gulped down 600ml
each on reaching Helena and filled all our bottles (2.7l) from the
tanks.

We were slightly unfit for the task but after a good rest was OK to
return. The water quality at Helena (closest tank to the hut) was
fine, although it had a brackish appearance. Ball Creek's water was
clear. Not surprised at the colour of the water as it had been raining
the previous night.
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Dear All

The Bibbulmun Track has been temporarily realigned whilst prescribed
burning operations are taking place in the Giants Forest Block East
of the Tree Top Walk.

The diversion has been marked using White Waugals Trail Markers. The
diversion is from Howe Road (just East of the Tree Top Walk) to the
Nut Road Lookout.

The prescribed burn will include burning around the Giants Camp
Shelter, which will therefore be inaccessible to all hikers. A
temporary campsite has been set up at the Nut Road Lookout. At the
Nut Lookout temporary campsite you can expect to find water, toilet
facilities and flat areas suitable for pitching a tent. There is also
an excellent view from this point.

The distance from the Frankland River Campsite to the Nut Lookout
temporary campsite is approximately 14.5km as opposed to 14km to the
Giants Campsite.

The distance from Rame Head Campsite to Nut Lookout temporary
campsite is 10km as opposed to 15.6km to Giants Campsite.

The Tree Top Walk can still be accessed via the Valley of the Giants
Road, but will include a short detour. The Bibbulmun Track diversion
will then have to be re-accessed at the same point if you choose to
go to the Tree Top Walk.

For your safety please do not proceed past Track Closed signs and
remain on the marked diversion at all times. We apologise for the
inconvenience but have ensured that the diversion is a quality walk
taking you through scenic Tingle Forest on your way to the Rame Head
Campsite. For more information you can contact the CALM Walpole
office on 9840 1027.

Source: Bibbulmun Track Foundation

Regards
Andrew

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Hi Pete,

'walking the bibbulmen between Pemberton and Northcliffe'

A couple of years ago we walked the railway line from Pemberton to
Northcliffe and then I walked back to Pemberton on the Bib Track.

The rail line is a hoot! (As it would be..) but you need a head for heights
as most of the bridges are quite high and you are looking down watching
where you put your feet on to sometimes quite soggy sleepers. I remember
stepping on the head of a rail spike that was about 3 inches out of the wood
and it sank in without a sound. For all of that it was a great walk. We
cheated and left tents and gear halfway between the towns (two days to
walk). Watch out for the tram that uses the line, be prepared to give way
(as we did) on time - it follows its timetable closely. Check the timetables
and make sure you're not halfway along a 60 metre bridge when it turns up.
If you're going to do this walk along the rail line do it soon as there is
no maintenance and the sleepers will fail eventually (won't affect the
tram - sleepers only hold the rail lines at their right spacing so it can
afford to miss a few, but as for walkers....no sleeper no step, bungy
without a bungy)

The walk back to Pemberton took three nights, only one spent in a hut as I
used a hammock. Very comfy.
It's a good walk, very scenic and foresty.
Cheers,
Paul



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Your welcome mate.
Have a nice walk.
Harry R


> Thanks for sharing the info Harry, it is very much appreciated. Exactly
what
> I what I was after.
>
> Cheers...
> Pete

>-- Original Message --
>To: <aushiker@...>
>From: "Rossiter" <rossiters@...>
>
>Pete and members.
>I have just walked that section only about 4 days ago and before that about
>a month ago both ways.

<snipped>


Thanks for sharing the info Harry, it is very much appreciated. Exactly what
I what I was after.

Cheers...
Pete


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Paul and members.
Thanks for your reply Paul.
I have made bushwalking almost a full time interest in the last 3 years and
managed to get a few more veterans (Vietnam) out there as well.
I think that before anyone can criticize costs and quality of modern hiking
gear they should go out for a couple of weeks, or even months, not days, and
test these items or at the very least listen to people that have done this,
its very rare I go out in the bush less than 7-10 days.
You have to remember that most of the modern day hiking gear was originally
designed for the military, (USA, England, Aust, others) these people don't
spend millions of dollars just for fun, something comes out of all this and
its great that there is a commercial market for the gear not just kept for
our soldiers.
I bought a Macpac Revolution jacket and have walked wearing this jacket in
the sun on the coast, in endless rain in the forests and always felt
comfortable, BUT, I will say one thing it won't keep you warm unless you
have layers underneath, I wear a breathable shirt (Beadell Kathmandu) and a
Polartec jumper under the jacket if its cool, these are all quick drying
materials, the shirt and the jumper I have been wearing when its not raining
down south nearly everyday in the the last few weeks the stuff works ! maybe
one day you might see me with this gear on out there ask me. Margaret wears
similar clothing but ladies style.
Funny enough the shorts I wear while walking are 8 dollar bathers (towelling
or mesh cut out) from Target with a pair of 30 dollar bike shorts
underneath, the bike shorts prevent chaffing on long walks.
Anyway it all comes down to what you are comfortable in and how far your
money has to go but to save a bit of money we have just finished off our
extra track food at home as I don't have any plans for the next few weeks,
now to the supermarket today to buy some fresh home food.
Harry R.




> I'm with you Harry.  When I started bush walking I hiked around the
> Helena Valley wearing a plastic raincoat.  I think I would have been
> drier if I had kept the placky coat in my bag.  Sweat built up - and
> drenched me from inside out.   With my goretex coat I still get wet
> from the inside out but so much less than with a placky coat.  More
> damp than wet.
>
> Paul

I'm with you Harry.  When I started bush walking I hiked around the
Helena Valley wearing a plastic raincoat.  I think I would have been
drier if I had kept the placky coat in my bag.  Sweat built up - and
drenched me from inside out.   With my goretex coat I still get wet
from the inside out but so much less than with a placky coat.  More
damp than wet.

Paul


On 23/11/2005, at 10:26 AM, Rossiter wrote:

>
>>> "if it's not GoreTex and doesn't cost $650, it's not worth having.")
>
> I can tell you after walking for weeks in rain a good Gore-Tex
> jacket is
> worth every penny it costs, but then me and my wife might be wimps,
> but we
> are still out there enjoying it.
> Some people buy expensive 4 wheel drives and caravans and drive, we
> buy good
> quality hiking gear and walk, and get our money's worth out of the
> equipment.
> The hiking stores do have sales.
> Harry R.

Kathy & Paul Homes
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Hi Tony,

My regular sleeping bag cost me $169 from Cargills "The Great Outdoors" at
Vic Park about 4 years ago and it is a Supermini with 150g of Hiloft 90/10
Down with a rating of 0C. It has been an excellent bag on the Bib Track. In
winter I use Thermals and the Thermolite Reactor sleeping bag liner to trap
more heat from my body. At one spot, Nerang it got down to -4 C and my mate
was beaten out of his bag, a K Mart brand and had to sit the whole night
around a blazing fire and I was sung as a bug in a rug. I did get up a few
times to sympathize with him. Graeme has since brought a better bag from
Ranger Camping.

My 3 c worth (inflation) <g>.

Thanks for the link. I will look at it later tonight as I have a report to
get out for Andrew on my Spyderco Knife.

Cheers

Ralph



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Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2005 4:25 PM
To: aushiker@...
Subject: Re: [Aushiker] Snugpak Softie Chrysalis Micro Sleeping Bag - Tony
Dyson



Hi Ralph,

Will do that. I floated the idea of Snugpak bags on aus.bushwalking
about a year ago and found they were poo-pooed as "not mainstream
bushwalking gear". (But there is sometimes on that site an element of
"if it's not GoreTex and doesn't cost $650, it's not worth having.")

Anyone looking for a down bag could have a look at

http://www.equip.com.au/

Click on products and go down to sleeping bags. A down bag for $160 (!).
Okay, I wonder if 400 grams of down is enough, but if the quality is
anything like their first aid kits, it should be fine.

Cheers, Tony





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Hi Guys,

Just a quick note to let you know the Mountain Designs Alliance Club
Sale starts tomorrow. You have to be an Alliance Member (and you can
join on the day for FREE!) to get the 20% Discount Off Everything in
store. There are other specials on selected products that are even
better - up to 50%!!

The Sale starts Thursday November 24th and finished Sunday, some
Christmas Specials will continue after that but the 20% Off
Everything will cease.

Hope to see you soon,
Cheers,
Mike Wood
Mountain Designs WA


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At 10:26 AM 23/11/2005, you wrote:

>The hiking stores do have sales.

Talking about sales ... see the following email.

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> >"if it's not GoreTex and doesn't cost $650, it's not worth having.")

I can tell you after walking for weeks in rain a good Gore-Tex jacket is
worth every penny it costs, but then me and my wife might be wimps, but we
are still out there enjoying it.
Some people buy expensive 4 wheel drives and caravans and drive, we buy good
quality hiking gear and walk, and get our money's worth out of the
equipment.
The hiking stores do have sales.
Harry R.

Pete and members.
I have just walked that section only about 4 days ago and before that about
a month ago both ways.
The walk involves two campsites from Pemberton, Warren and Schafer.
Warren is approx 21 KM from Pemby the next campsite is Schafer also about
21KM the next leg into Northcliffe is only 14 KM its quite a nice walk at
this time of the year, 3 days and 2 nights, there is plenty of water in the
tanks at the campsites at the present time (Full).
There are a few hills involved, but also railway formations which are easy
to walk along if you take it easy on the first day.
I always stick to a routine of walking for an hour then having a 10 min
break with the pack off after three hours if I am not near my destination I
have a brew and a rest for about 30 minutes.
My walking pace with my wife (Margie) is about 4 kms an hour, time and
distance is essential to me as I often go off tracks I don't use a new
fangled GPS I prefer maps, compass and my time and distance I don't get lost
!
The track is well marked and there is even a nice trestle bridge at the
Warren river about 2 KM after Warren Campsite going south, there is a small
dam at Schafer hut site but it was to cold for us on the days we were there
for swimming.
My age is 62 years and Margie 50 years so we are not young people.
You will find this walk very interesting I wish it wasn't so far from Perth.
Don't let your friends load their packs excessively with non essential items
but then I don't know their age and fitness level.
Hope this very brief description helps wish I could join you.
Happy Walking.
Harry R
(Track names, Harry and Margie. )




>
> Greetings All...
>
> A couple of friends and myself hope to spend a few days over the end of
year
> holiday period walking the bibbulmen between Pemberton and Northcliffe.
They
> are new to bushwalking / hiking so want to take it fairly easy, so I am
wondering
> if anyone has done this section and if they know what the distance is, and
> how long it may have taken.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts you can share...
> Pete

At 04:25 PM 22/11/2005, you wrote:
>  (But there is sometimes on that site an element of
>"if it's not GoreTex and doesn't cost $650, it's not worth having.")

No according to Roger Caffin :-)


>Anyone looking for a down bag could have a look at
>
><http://www.equip.com.au/>http://www.equip.com.au/
>
>Click on products and go down to sleeping bags. A down bag for $160 (!).
>Okay, I wonder if 400 grams of down is enough, but if the quality is
>anything like their first aid kits, it should be fine.

Test it for us Tony and let us know :-).

Very heavy for little warmth. Have my doubts about that "zero rating".

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Greetings All...

A couple of friends and myself hope to spend a few days over the end of year
holiday period walking the bibbulmen between Pemberton and Northcliffe. They
are new to bushwalking / hiking so want to take it fairly easy, so I am
wondering
if anyone has done this section and if they know what the distance is, and
how long it may have taken.

Thanks for any thoughts you can share...
Pete


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I want to see what is hidden behind the door
I want to be where I know I can witness the core"
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Hi Ralph,

Will do that. I floated the idea of Snugpak bags on aus.bushwalking
about a year ago and found they were poo-pooed as "not mainstream
bushwalking gear". (But there is sometimes on that site an element of
"if it's not GoreTex and doesn't cost $650, it's not worth having.")

Anyone looking for a down bag could have a look at

http://www.equip.com.au/

Click on products and go down to sleeping bags. A down bag for $160 (!).
Okay, I wonder if 400 grams of down is enough, but if the quality is
anything like their first aid kits, it should be fine.

Cheers, Tony

Ralph Ditton wrote:

>  Hi Tony,
>
> Apart from the zip problem, it is an excellent bag. If you are
> thinking
> about it, hop into one and test the zips as I may have copped a
> Mondayitis
> or P.O.E.T.S. production run.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ralph
>
>
>
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> Behalf Of Anthony Dyson
> Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2005 12:47 PM
> To: aushiker@...
> Subject: Re: [Aushiker] Snugpak Softie Chrysalis Micro Sleeping Bag -
> Tony
> Dyson
>
>
>
> Hi Ralph,
>
> Many thanks for that. Had a read of your initial report as well
> (interesting that other reviewers had the same trouble with the
> alleged
> compressed size).
> Seems like it might be a goer in many respects. I particularly like
> the
> ability to enlarge the top of the bag, as I hate to be constricted
> that
> way.
> I had a look at a Softie some time ago and was impressed by the silky
> "feel" of it.
> I can sympathise re the zip snagging. I managed to snag the zip on my
> down bag some time ago and, short of cutting the fabric (which I don't
>
> want to do), can't see any way to get it un-snagged.
>
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> Cheers,  Tony Dyson
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Hi Tony,

Apart from the zip problem, it is an excellent bag. If you are thinking
about it, hop into one and test the zips as I may have copped a Mondayitis
or P.O.E.T.S. production run.

Cheers

Ralph



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Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2005 12:47 PM
To: aushiker@...
Subject: Re: [Aushiker] Snugpak Softie Chrysalis Micro Sleeping Bag - Tony
Dyson



Hi Ralph,

Many thanks for that. Had a read of your initial report as well
(interesting that other reviewers had the same trouble with the alleged
compressed size).
Seems like it might be a goer in many respects. I particularly like the
ability to enlarge the top of the bag, as I hate to be constricted that
way.
I had a look at a Softie some time ago and was impressed by the silky
"feel" of it.
I can sympathise re the zip snagging. I managed to snag the zip on my
down bag some time ago and, short of cutting the fabric (which I don't
want to do), can't see any way to get it un-snagged.

Look forward to seeing your later reports,

Cheers,  Tony Dyson






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At 02:48 PM 22/11/2005, you wrote:
>On the same issue. Have there been any issues of water quality?
>
>Poor quality water could also be an issue I would imagine.

Not to my knowledge. The water is captured run-off from the hut roofs
and the tanks are reasonably well protected.

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If I may jump in here.
Talking about sleeping bags. I have used a Western mountaineering bag (455g)
for the last 9 weeks with a thermal liner and a 3/4 thermarest mattress on
some cold nights I used the old military trick and zipped up my Gore-Tex
jacket around the lower part of the bag to keep my feet warm, but keep in
mind I'm only a little bloke, don't need much room.
This is on or around the Bib Track.
Harry R.

Members.
I have spent quite a lot of time in the last couple of years on the Bib
track in the summer and never run out of water and never had a problem with
the quality, BUT I have seen Murray hut down to the last few grooves and I
know that a lot of campers not walkers are in that area, also Blackwood hut
suffers from locals or campers using excessive amounts of water from its
tank.
I always carry 4 litres of water in the summer but the weight is balanced
out on lighter sleeping gear and no town clothes or rain gear, just a change
of walk clothes (Bike shorts, shorts, and shirt) and the further you walk
the more you drink so it gets lighter.
Last summer I kept a record of the water tanks between Dwellingup and Collie
will look it up when I get time, still getting over being at home, very nice
and cool down Pemby way in the forests much warmer up here in Perth.
Harry R.




> On the same issue. Have there been any issues of water quality?
>
> Poor quality water could also be an issue I would imagine.
>
> Paul

Hi Ralph,

Many thanks for that. Had a read of your initial report as well
(interesting that other reviewers had the same trouble with the alleged
compressed size).
Seems like it might be a goer in many respects. I particularly like the
ability to enlarge the top of the bag, as I hate to be constricted that
way.
I had a look at a Softie some time ago and was impressed by the silky
"feel" of it.
I can sympathise re the zip snagging. I managed to snag the zip on my
down bag some time ago and, short of cutting the fabric (which I don't
want to do), can't see any way to get it un-snagged.

Look forward to seeing your later reports,

Cheers,  Tony Dyson






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On the same issue. Have there been any issues of water quality?

Poor quality water could also be an issue I would imagine.

Paul

On 11/22/05, tonkisj@... <tonkisj@...> wrote:
> I personally dont see the worry in water on the track. Like someone said there
> is at least one tank at each hut and the busy ones have two. If you are realy
> worried do the safe thing and take in 1 extra litre for dinner and coffee in
> the morning if a over nighter. The liklyhood of two tanks being dry should be
> small, saying that this weekend i will probably find two dry tanks in a row.