Hi All

I am a new to your group and enjoying the trivia and information already.
Hopefully I will have something of value to contribute soon

Sue T

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That's the problem with the internet you don't know who your talking to and
what they really want.
If you ask a group for advice your probably better to give the group an idea
of how much you want to spend or how old you are (only to determine what
your wages might be) if you want to buy something.
I know its been said before....
With hiking gear the lighter you go the dearer it gets.
The alloy coke can stove is the exception that's free !
Harry R.



At 09:44 AM 27/02/2006, you wrote:
>I use a Western mountaineering Highlite from Paddy Pallin it weighs 455
>grams and is tiny when compressed.

There is no doubt this is a very good bag and light but expensive and
I suspect a bit of overkill for what Andrew has in mind and his level
of walking at present. Mind you I wouldn't say no to one :-)

Andrew if you can get a bag rated around 0 to -5 C and around 1.2 kg
I think you would be happy with the comprise. The one Wendy used of
mine, the Roman is a good comprise on price versus weight for
example. I am sure others have suggestions.

Andrew

Hello All,

There is a picnic to be held for any of the end to end bib track
walkers in March. If you want to catch up with other people who are
like you, the best thing to do would contact the Bibbulmun Track
foundation (email: events@...) if they haven't
contacted you about it. I just got an email about it today.

Maybe see you there,
Ryan.

Dear All

Dave of WALKGPS has added a new walk to his excellent website. The
walk is titled, North Ledge-South Ledge Walk, and the details
including photos can be found at
<http://www.walkgps.com/North%20Ledge-South%20Ledge%20(Mundaring%20Weir)%20Walk.\
htm>.

Regards
Andrew

I've been interested to read the about the for against discussions for
ground sheets. I tend towards lightweight hiking, weigh everything into my
pack & try not to take non essential items. When I did the Bib track in
instalments and later the Cape to Cape, always carried a ground sheet as it
came in handy. It was a dark green light plastic unit from an army disposal
store, 152 cm X 196cm and weighing 320g. However at no time did I carry a
tent & relied on the shelters and if I had to camp out I rigged  the ground
sheet as a hoochie or slept under the stars . I didn't carry a rain jacket
so if I was caught in rain , the combination of army slouch hat & the ground
sheet used as a poncho over the top of shoulders & pack kept the upper half
of me dry and non sweaty under it. It was also useful for the odd occasion
when I had to sit on wet ground for lunch or have a quick siesta on the
ground. However if I carry a tent I wouldn't use that groundsheet and
probably no ground sheet at all because it is too lightweight to stop
penetration by sharp stuff & I"ve had my Thermarest air mattress punctured
thru it.

  When I walked the Larapinta trail in central Australia I had been
forewarned about the ground prickle problem

  any where away from sandy creek beds, so I used a foam pad under my
Thermarest. (These prickles are tiny multi pronged jobs present in their
hundreds all over the ground).Otherwise the Thermarest would have ended up
as a sieve in short order. In that country in July you really need good
ground insulation because of the very cold night time conditions (-2deg C to
3 degC).The foam pad was a pain because it was strapped on outside my pack &
regularly snagged up in shrubbery. However I was very glad I took it along
as I didn't get one puncture in the air mattress.

So in my view you take what you need for the job & that is likely to vary
depending on where you hike.




Regards Eric T



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Morning All,



My eldest son brought home some homework the other day.  What is WA longest
Mountain Range?  Anyone know?  I have feeling it is the Darling Range, but
then we looked at the Hamersley's and had second thoughts.



BFN



Debbie











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At 09:44 AM 27/02/2006, you wrote:
>I use a Western mountaineering Highlite from Paddy Pallin it weighs 455
>grams and is tiny when compressed.

There is no doubt this is a very good bag and light but expensive and
I suspect a bit of overkill for what Andrew has in mind and his level
of walking at present. Mind you I wouldn't say no to one :-)

Andrew if you can get a bag rated around 0 to -5 C and around 1.2 kg
I think you would be happy with the comprise. The one Wendy used of
mine, the Roman is a good comprise on price versus weight for
example. I am sure others have suggestions.

Andrew


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I use a Western mountaineering Highlite from Paddy Pallin it weighs 455
grams and is tiny when compressed.
It keeps me warm, but would not use it in the middle of winter, have used it
in September/October last year on the Bib track.
Instead of a silk liner (I always use a liner in any bag) I use a thermal
liner with it now in case of an extra cold night.
Don't take my word for it though go into Perth City and check it out its
light and high quality.
The cost ? around 500 bucks, but I wanted the lightest available just went
without other things for a while its worth it.
Harry R.



Hi All
Just wondering about sleeping bags, what would be a good light weight
one to buy, I don't intend to use it in freezing conditions just
around WA in good weather.
I have just weight mine at 1.645kg and would like to go lighter if I
can, so can anyone recommend one and what would it cost roughly.

Thanks
Andrew_P2

Hi All
Just wondering about sleeping bags, what would be a good light weight
one to buy, I don't intend to use it in freezing conditions just
around WA in good weather.
I have just weight mine at 1.645kg and would like to go lighter if I
can, so can anyone recommend one and what would it cost roughly.

Thanks
Andrew_P2

Ralph.
I liked the joke, but unfortunately it's to close to the truth.
Harry.




Hi Harry,

I have the dubious honor of working for myself so I do not get annual leave
or long service leave. I just put a line through some days in my diary and
head off for short burst.

It reminds me of a joke I heard recently.



"A country business owner was approached by a Trade Union official who
claimed that he was not paying the correct wages and wanted to see the
records.

The owner did this and when handing the records over stated that he paid the
Supervisor who had been there 3 years, $600 a week plus free room and board.
The cook has been here about 18 months and I pay her $500 per week plus free
room and board. Then there is the half-wit who works here about 18 hours
every day and does about 90% of all the work around here. He makes $10 per
week, and I buy him a bottle of rum every Saturday night".

"That's the person I want to talk to, the half-wit", says the TU official.

"That would be me", replied the owner.

Cheers, and keep smiling,

Ralph

Hi Harry,

I have the dubious honor of working for myself so I do not get annual leave
or long service leave. I just put a line through some days in my diary and
head off for short burst.

It reminds me of a joke I heard recently.



"A country business owner was approached by a Trade Union official who
claimed that he was not paying the correct wages and wanted to see the
records.

The owner did this and when handing the records over stated that he paid the
Supervisor who had been there 3 years, $600 a week plus free room and board.
The cook has been here about 18 months and I pay her $500 per week plus free
room and board. Then there is the half-wit who works here about 18 hours
every day and does about 90% of all the work around here. He makes $10 per
week, and I buy him a bottle of rum every Saturday night".

"That's the person I want to talk to, the half-wit", says the TU official.

"That would be me", replied the owner.

Cheers, and keep smiling,

Ralph



<snip>

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I see lots of people doing end to ends while they are working one couple
used their long service leave another bloke used his annual leave now that's
devotion.
I never found the time to do any bushwalking while I was working to much
time spent at work or with the family but making up for it now.
The thing is mate, you at least get out there that's the important thing.
Thanks.
Harry R.






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Blame it on the sun. It woke me up a bit too early for my liking.



<snip>

>I happen to like yellow, but I was definitely caught out and it did
surprise
>me. It would not have been too much of a problem in normal circumstances,
>but my friend and I were also testing my home brew and some wine whilst
>playing Yahtzee. We did not get to bed till after 1am.

Ahh, so not the tents fault at all! :-)

Andrew







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When you are down south in the forests and the ground is soaking wet, how do
you have a lunch break without having something to sit on ?

I use my gaiters.

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At 07:43 PM 23/02/2006, you wrote:
>When you are down south in the forests and the ground is soaking wet, how do
>you have a lunch break without having something to sit on ?

Jacket.

Andrew

I use the Bunnings 6x4 jobby. I can't imagine not having a ground sheet.
When you are down south in the forests and the ground is soaking wet, how do
you have a lunch break without having something to sit on ? Although I do
not use one under a sleeping mat as it is too slippery. The mat moves around
when you roll around.


>From: Peter McKellar <pmcke@...>
>Reply-To: aushiker@...
>To: <aushiker@...>
>Subject: Re: [Aushiker] Ground sheets??
>Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:08:23 +1300
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>A ground sheet that I have always used is All Weather Space Blanket from
>REI http://tinyurl.com/4e6pf
>
>last time I ordered them I bought 12 to keep the shipping down. I had no
>problem selling them to my club mates.
>
>They are very light, strong enough to last a few years and double as an
>emergency thermal blanket.
>
>Additionally, they are brightly coloured to be visible and are radar
>reflective as well.
>
>
>On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:01:48 +1000, Anthony Dyson wrote: Harry, thanks for
>the tip on Midland Disposals because I'm looking for a
>  ground sheet.
>  Ordered a you-beaut tent from the US, but they wanted $US45 for the
>  matching ground sheet (nearly a third the price of the tent, I might
>  add). Decided I could live without it at the price and make my own.
>  Always carry something to put under the sleeping bag, even in huts, and
>  there's always the prospect of sleeping under the stars if you're sure
>  its not going to rain.
>  Buying gear from the US is an interesting process, by the way. It's
>  about a third the price it is here, but the shipping costs an arm and a
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A ground sheet that I have always used is All Weather Space Blanket from REI
http://tinyurl.com/4e6pf

last time I ordered them I bought 12 to keep the shipping down. I had no problem
selling them to my club mates.

They are very light, strong enough to last a few years and double as an
emergency thermal blanket.

Additionally, they are brightly coloured to be visible and are radar reflective
as well.


On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:01:48 +1000, Anthony Dyson wrote: Harry, thanks for the
tip on Midland Disposals because I'm looking for a
  ground sheet.
  Ordered a you-beaut tent from the US, but they wanted $US45 for the
  matching ground sheet (nearly a third the price of the tent, I might
  add). Decided I could live without it at the price and make my own.
  Always carry something to put under the sleeping bag, even in huts, and
  there's always the prospect of sleeping under the stars if you're sure
  its not going to rain.
  Buying gear from the US is an interesting process, by the way. It's
  about a third the price it is here, but the shipping costs an arm and a
  leg.

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I find a ground sheet is multi purpose. Cover for bottom of tent. Cover for
bottom of sleeping mat if in the hut, pack cover if it rains, set up a hutchie
if no tent or no campsite (need one with rings in the corners to tie to).

I'm one of those walkers who carries the extra just to make sure i'm not caught
out if I haven't got it. Of course plenty of stuff still gets left at home.

Cheers,
Ryan.

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> Date: 22 Feb 2006 23:31:36 -0000
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>        2. RE: [SPAM] Ground sheets??
>             From: "Neville Rossiter" <rossiters@...>
>        3. Re: Ground sheets
>             From: Steve Davies <steve@...>
>        4. Re: Ground sheets??
>             From: Anthony Dyson <anthony.dyson@...>
>        5. RE: [SPAM] Re: Ground sheets
>             From: "Neville Rossiter" <rossiters@...>
>        6. RE: [SPAM] Re: Ground sheets
>             From: "Seal, Nathan" <NSEAL@...>
>        7. Re: [SPAM] Re: Ground sheets
>             From: Paul Homes <homes@...>
>        8. RE: [SPAM] RE: [SPAM] Re: Ground sheets
>             From: "Neville Rossiter" <rossiters@...>
>        9. Re: Ground sheets Now its things you see in the bush
>             From: "Neville Rossiter" <rossiters@...>
>       10. RE: Re: Ground sheets Now its things you see in the bush
>             From: "Ralph Ditton" <rdassetts@...>
>       11. RE: [SPAM] Re: Ground sheets??
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>     Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:49:18 -0000
>     From: "Andrew" <a1preece@...>
> Subject: Ground sheets??
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> Hi All
> I was reading a site yesterday that said that you should always have a
> ground sheet under your tent, would this be a popular view held here
> or not?
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> I thought it would just be more weight to carry with you.
> Andrew_P2
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>     Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:18:35 +0800
>     From: "Neville Rossiter" <rossiters@...>
> Subject: RE: [SPAM] Ground sheets??
>
> Well I suppose you have to look at it another way.
> A ground sheet would help to protect the "already Heavy duty base" of a tent
> even more especially if you have an expensive lightweight one, but that
> aside sometimes you might not always use the tent while your out there, and
> sleep in a hut or on the floor of a house etc, in that case I like to
> protect my expensive sleeping bag, I slept in the canoe shed one night at
> Peaceful Bay when it was pouring rain, hard to put the tent up there, but
> better than pitching a tent in pouring rain.
> A cheap ground sheet from Midland Disposals costs maybe 6 bucks and lasts
> for a good 2000 kilometers or more of walking (I have one that's done two
> end to ends on the Bib Track) and it weighs 260 grams not much really and I
> like to keep my Pack weight down to 15 or 16 k.
> But this is only my thoughts I'm no expert but I do spend at least 4 months
> of the year out in the bush, walking... going next week from Pemby to Albany
> for a quick stroll 18 days then an end to end in May with Margaret.
> Harry R.
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>
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> Hi All
> I was reading a site yesterday that said that you should always have a
> ground sheet under your tent, would this be a popular view held here
> or not?
>
> I thought it would just be more weight to carry with you.
> Andrew_P2
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>     Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:29:53 +0800
>     From: Steve Davies <steve@...>
> Subject: Re: Ground sheets
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> On 22/02/2006, at 12:18 PM, Neville Rossiter wrote:
>
> >  I slept in the canoe shed one night at
> > Peaceful Bay when it was pouring rain, hard to put the tent up  there, but
> > better than pitching a tent in pouring rain.
>
>
> I slept in the same shed, under similar conditions last July, but did
> not have a ground sheet.
> The result was a puncture in my sleeping mat.
>
> So next time I will carry the ground sheet.
>
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> Steve
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>     Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:01:48 +1000
>     From: Anthony Dyson <anthony.dyson@...>
> Subject: Re: Ground sheets??
>
> Harry, thanks for the tip on Midland Disposals because I'm looking for a
> ground sheet.
> Ordered a you-beaut tent from the US, but they wanted $US45 for the
> matching ground sheet (nearly a third the price of the tent, I might
> add). Decided I could live without it at the price and make my own.
> Always carry something to put under the sleeping bag, even in huts, and
> there's always the prospect of sleeping under the stars if you're sure
> its not going to rain.
> Buying gear from the US is an interesting process, by the way. It's
> about a third the price it is here, but the shipping costs an arm and a
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> Subject: RE: [SPAM] Re: Ground sheets
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> I think you really need to carry certain items all the time regardless of
> the climate just try and get the lightest you can find, and then adjust the
> rest of your gear to suit the time of the year.
> Be nice to have a proper hut/campsite on the southern side of the inlet, but
> I would settle for a water tank, it's a long day from Giants or Rame head to
> Boat Harbour if you don't want to stop at Peaceful Bay.
> I have tried to stay off this group because I'm busting to get out in the
> bush and all these discussions don't help !
>   My daughter had a baby boy the other week and just had to stay around for
> that, it is our first grand child.
> Harry R.
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>
>
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> I slept in the same shed, under similar conditions last July, but did
> not have a ground sheet.
> The result was a puncture in my sleeping mat.
>
> So next time I will carry the ground sheet.
>
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> Steve
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> Congrats Harry.
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> > the
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> > Be nice to have a proper hut/campsite on the southern side of the inlet,
> > but
> > I would settle for a water tank, it's a long day from Giants or Rame head
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> > I have tried to stay off this group because I'm busting to get out in the
> > bush and all these discussions don't help !
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> Congratulations Harry.  You must be thrilled!
>
> Most of the outdoor shops have kids goretexes and fleeces.  Just a
> few more years!  :)
>
> I'm with you on the ground sheet.  I've use a bit of poly-tarp in the
> past.  You can get these for $4 from Bunnings (6x4 ft).  You can
> always convince yourself the tarp can be an emergency temporary
> shelter when the huts are full.  I try to have things that have at
> least two uses.
>
>
> Paul
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> On 22/02/2006, at 4:13 PM, Neville Rossiter wrote:
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> > the climate just try and get the lightest you can find, and then  adjust the
> > rest of your gear to suit the time of the year.
> > Be nice to have a proper hut/campsite on the southern side of the  inlet,
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> > I would settle for a water tank, it's a long day from Giants or  Rame head
to
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> > I have tried to stay off this group because I'm busting to get out  in the
> > bush and all these discussions don't help !
> >  My daughter had a baby boy the other week and just had to stay  around for
> > that, it is our first grand child.
> > Harry R.
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> > I slept in the same shed, under similar conditions last July, but did
> > not have a ground sheet.
> > The result was a puncture in my sleeping mat.
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>     Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:21:11 +0800
>     From: "Neville Rossiter" <rossiters@...>
> Subject: RE: [SPAM] RE: [SPAM] Re: Ground sheets
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Congrats Harry.
>
>
>
> >
> > I think you really need to carry certain items all the time regardless of
> > the climate just try and get the lightest you can find, and then adjust
> > the
> > rest of your gear to suit the time of the year.
> > Be nice to have a proper hut/campsite on the southern side of the inlet,
> > but
> > I would settle for a water tank, it's a long day from Giants or Rame head
> > to
> > Boat Harbour if you don't want to stop at Peaceful Bay.
> > I have tried to stay off this group because I'm busting to get out in the
> > bush and all these discussions don't help !
> >  My daughter had a baby boy the other week and just had to stay around for
> > that, it is our first grand child.
> > Harry R.
>
>
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> Message: 9
>     Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:06:44 +0800
>     From: "Neville Rossiter" <rossiters@...>
> Subject: Re: Ground sheets Now its things you see in the bush
>
> I'm thrilled.
> Yes Paul, I checked out the Hiking shops already ! be a little while yet.
> Last year about September on the Bib track a young couple were walking from
> Donnelly River to Balingup with a 3 month old baby in a pusher we caught up
> with them at Blackwood Campsite they were going North we were going South. I
> couldn't believe they could get the pusher through all the hills let alone
> the mud, it was raining, but the wheel tracks were there south the next day.
> Then there was the young bloke with a homemade alloy wheelbarrow loaded with
> photo equipment doing an end to end we passed him on the way to Lake
> Maringup again we were going South he was going North.
> Take it easy.
> Harry R.
>
>
>
>
> Congratulations Harry.  You must be thrilled!
>
> Most of the outdoor shops have kids goretexes and fleeces.  Just a
> few more years!  :)
>
> I'm with you on the ground sheet.  I've use a bit of poly-tarp in the
> past.  You can get these for $4 from Bunnings (6x4 ft).  You can
> always convince yourself the tarp can be an emergency temporary
> shelter when the huts are full.  I try to have things that have at
> least two uses.
>
>
> Paul
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>     Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:40:26 +0800
>     From: "Ralph Ditton" <rdassetts@...>
> Subject: RE: Re: Ground sheets Now its things you see in the bush
>
> > From an envious person trying to achieve an End to End in stages,
> congratulations on being Grandparents. I can picture you and your wife
> pushing a stroller with the grandchild onboard doing an overnighter at the
> very least.
>
> Best
>
> Ralph
>
>
>
> <snip>
>
> I'm thrilled.
> Yes Paul, I checked out the Hiking shops already ! be a little while yet.
> Last year about September on the Bib track a young couple were walking from
> Donnelly River to Balingup with a 3 month old baby in a pusher we caught up
> with them at Blackwood Campsite they were going North we were going South. I
> couldn't believe they could get the pusher through all the hills let alone
> the mud, it was raining, but the wheel tracks were there south the next day.
> Then there was the young bloke with a homemade alloy wheelbarrow loaded with
> photo equipment doing an end to end we passed him on the way to Lake
> Maringup again we were going South he was going North.
> Take it easy.
> Harry R.
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>     Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:42:56 +0800
>     From: "Neville Rossiter" <rossiters@...>
> Subject: RE: [SPAM] Re: Ground sheets??
>
> Tony and Members.
> The ground sheets that I referred to come in about 4 sizes they look flimsy
> and cheap but surprise, surprise, they seem to stay together if you treat
> them with care.
> If you wanted a heavier one try and find an old Army "blow up mattress
> cover" they are a type of Ground sheet that you slip stupid plastic tubes in
> pockets to lay on, the idea was good but the damn tubes were easily
> punctured resulting in an uneven mattress and you had all kinds of items to
> go with it probably designed by some boffin that never went anywhere outside
> his Lab. They make good groundsheets though less all the paraphernalia
> because they have a pocket at one end to place a pillow in, but these are
> only good for a small tent or sleeping bag.
> They are getting hard to find nowadays.
> But it's all about weight.
> Thanks.
> Harry R.
>
>
>
> Harry, thanks for the tip on Midland Disposals because I'm looking for a
> ground sheet.
> Ordered a you-beaut tent from the US, but they wanted $US45 for the
> matching ground sheet (nearly a third the price of the tent, I might
> add). Decided I could live without it at the price and make my own.
> Always carry something to put under the sleeping bag, even in huts, and
> there's always the prospect of sleeping under the stars if you're sure
> its not going to rain.
> Buying gear from the US is an interesting process, by the way. It's
> about a third the price it is here, but the shipping costs an arm and a
> leg.
>
> Cheers,  Tony
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>     Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:21:11 +0800
>     From: "Neville Rossiter" <rossiters@...>
> Subject: RE: [SPAM] RE: [SPAM] Re: Ground sheets
>
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> Congrats Harry.
>
>
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> > I think you really need to carry certain items all the time regardless of
> > the climate just try and get the lightest you can find, and then adjust
> > the
> > rest of your gear to suit the time of the year.
> > Be nice to have a proper hut/campsite on the southern side of the inlet,
> > but
> > I would settle for a water tank, it's a long day from Giants or Rame head
> > to
> > Boat Harbour if you don't want to stop at Peaceful Bay.
> > I have tried to stay off this group because I'm busting to get out in the
> > bush and all these discussions don't help !
> >  My daughter had a baby boy the other week and just had to stay around for
> > that, it is our first grand child.
> > Harry R.
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Andrew and members.
Everybody's entitled to their opinion and as I said I'm no expert.
But going on my experience with the Bib track, three end to ends so far, and
numerous shorter stages, I have been in some huts where there was no brooms
and they were dusty.
But can I say when you get to a dusty hut even with a broom some people get
cheesed off with you creating a dust storm when sweeping them out no matter
how careful you are and I like to keep the peace out there.
I just say to people take what you think you need and learn by experience
just make sure it's not too heavy for you.
This walk next week to Albany I am cutting things to the limit going to try
real lightweight, well that's what I say now, I like to try different ideas
every time I go out.
Harry R.






Here is a different take ... I don't use ground sheets and haven't
had the need to with any of my four tents walking here in WA and in
the NT. I am now currently using a Silicone coated nylon tent which
is very "thin" but the advice from Roger Caffin who makes tents out
of the same material and uses them in the eastern states and in
France is to not bother with a ground sheet. The material is much
stronger than it appears.

As to using them in huts ... same again ... never bothered. No
damaged to any of my sleeping bags so far, but then I do sweep the
sleeping area and if I remember check for nails sticking up. I also
wash my bag now and then ... more then than now but.

I do however carry a tent or bivvy with me even on the Bibbulmun
Track and so if I need a "ground sheet," say in the canoe shed, I
would use my tent. Meets Paul's dual purpose function :-).

Oh and one last but important point, I ain't gentle on my gear.

Cheers
Andrew

At 09:49 AM 22/02/2006, you wrote:
>Hi All
>I was reading a site yesterday that said that you should always have a
>ground sheet under your tent, would this be a popular view held here
>or not?

Hi Andrew

Here is a different take ... I don't use ground sheets and haven't
had the need to with any of my four tents walking here in WA and in
the NT. I am now currently using a Silicone coated nylon tent which
is very "thin" but the advice from Roger Caffin who makes tents out
of the same material and uses them in the eastern states and in
France is to not bother with a ground sheet. The material is much
stronger than it appears.

As to using them in huts ... same again ... never bothered. No
damaged to any of my sleeping bags so far, but then I do sweep the
sleeping area and if I remember check for nails sticking up. I also
wash my bag now and then ... more then than now but.

I do however carry a tent or bivvy with me even on the Bibbulmun
Track and so if I need a "ground sheet," say in the canoe shed, I
would use my tent. Meets Paul's dual purpose function :-).

Oh and one last but important point, I ain't gentle on my gear.

Cheers
Andrew


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At 10:59 AM 21/02/2006, you wrote:
>Hi Andrew,
>
>I pitched the tent outside the Prickly Bark shelter between the hut and fire
>ring. Bent three tent pegs setting it up. The ground is a combination of
>crushed limestone and sand. No puncture marks were observed but the base was
>dirty from the chalky dust. It came off easily with just a damp cloth. There
>appeared to be no scuffing or stretch marks in the tub floor, so the
>silnylon fabric appears to be robust.

Good to hear.


>I happen to like yellow, but I was definitely caught out and it did surprise
>me. It would not have been too much of a problem in normal circumstances,
>but my friend and I were also testing my home brew and some wine whilst
>playing Yahtzee. We did not get to bed till after 1am.

Ahh, so not the tents fault at all! :-)

Andrew


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Ralph.
Its alright for me to brag about end to ends but its much easier for me as
I'm retired and have plenty of time and we are on a fixed income so it's a
cheap holiday, I couldn't afford to travel interstate or overseas but will
go across to Melbourne one day and do some walking over there as all my
family live there .
I see lots of people doing end to ends while they are working one couple
used their long service leave another bloke used his annual leave now that's
devotion.
I never found the time to do any bushwalking while I was working to much
time spent at work or with the family but making up for it now.
The thing is mate, you at least get out there that's the important thing.
Thanks.
Harry R.



From an envious person trying to achieve an End to End in stages,
congratulations on being Grandparents. I can picture you and your wife
pushing a stroller with the grandchild onboard doing an overnighter at the
very least.

Best

Ralph

Congrats Harry.



>
> I think you really need to carry certain items all the time regardless of
> the climate just try and get the lightest you can find, and then adjust
> the
> rest of your gear to suit the time of the year.
> Be nice to have a proper hut/campsite on the southern side of the inlet,
> but
> I would settle for a water tank, it's a long day from Giants or Rame head
> to
> Boat Harbour if you don't want to stop at Peaceful Bay.
> I have tried to stay off this group because I'm busting to get out in the
> bush and all these discussions don't help !
>  My daughter had a baby boy the other week and just had to stay around for
> that, it is our first grand child.
> Harry R.

Tony and Members.
The ground sheets that I referred to come in about 4 sizes they look flimsy
and cheap but surprise, surprise, they seem to stay together if you treat
them with care.
If you wanted a heavier one try and find an old Army "blow up mattress
cover" they are a type of Ground sheet that you slip stupid plastic tubes in
pockets to lay on, the idea was good but the damn tubes were easily
punctured resulting in an uneven mattress and you had all kinds of items to
go with it probably designed by some boffin that never went anywhere outside
his Lab. They make good groundsheets though less all the paraphernalia
because they have a pocket at one end to place a pillow in, but these are
only good for a small tent or sleeping bag.
They are getting hard to find nowadays.
But it's all about weight.
Thanks.
Harry R.



Harry, thanks for the tip on Midland Disposals because I'm looking for a
ground sheet.
Ordered a you-beaut tent from the US, but they wanted $US45 for the
matching ground sheet (nearly a third the price of the tent, I might
add). Decided I could live without it at the price and make my own.
Always carry something to put under the sleeping bag, even in huts, and
there's always the prospect of sleeping under the stars if you're sure
its not going to rain.
Buying gear from the US is an interesting process, by the way. It's
about a third the price it is here, but the shipping costs an arm and a
leg.

Cheers,  Tony

From an envious person trying to achieve an End to End in stages,
congratulations on being Grandparents. I can picture you and your wife
pushing a stroller with the grandchild onboard doing an overnighter at the
very least.

Best

Ralph



<snip>

I'm thrilled.
Yes Paul, I checked out the Hiking shops already ! be a little while yet.
Last year about September on the Bib track a young couple were walking from
Donnelly River to Balingup with a 3 month old baby in a pusher we caught up
with them at Blackwood Campsite they were going North we were going South. I
couldn't believe they could get the pusher through all the hills let alone
the mud, it was raining, but the wheel tracks were there south the next day.
Then there was the young bloke with a homemade alloy wheelbarrow loaded with
photo equipment doing an end to end we passed him on the way to Lake
Maringup again we were going South he was going North.
Take it easy.
Harry R.








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I'm thrilled.
Yes Paul, I checked out the Hiking shops already ! be a little while yet.
Last year about September on the Bib track a young couple were walking from
Donnelly River to Balingup with a 3 month old baby in a pusher we caught up
with them at Blackwood Campsite they were going North we were going South. I
couldn't believe they could get the pusher through all the hills let alone
the mud, it was raining, but the wheel tracks were there south the next day.
Then there was the young bloke with a homemade alloy wheelbarrow loaded with
photo equipment doing an end to end we passed him on the way to Lake
Maringup again we were going South he was going North.
Take it easy.
Harry R.




Congratulations Harry.  You must be thrilled!

Most of the outdoor shops have kids goretexes and fleeces.  Just a
few more years!  :)

I'm with you on the ground sheet.  I've use a bit of poly-tarp in the
past.  You can get these for $4 from Bunnings (6x4 ft).  You can
always convince yourself the tarp can be an emergency temporary
shelter when the huts are full.  I try to have things that have at
least two uses.


Paul

Thank you.



Congrats Harry.



>
> I think you really need to carry certain items all the time regardless of
> the climate just try and get the lightest you can find, and then adjust
> the
> rest of your gear to suit the time of the year.
> Be nice to have a proper hut/campsite on the southern side of the inlet,
> but
> I would settle for a water tank, it's a long day from Giants or Rame head
> to
> Boat Harbour if you don't want to stop at Peaceful Bay.
> I have tried to stay off this group because I'm busting to get out in the
> bush and all these discussions don't help !
>  My daughter had a baby boy the other week and just had to stay around for
> that, it is our first grand child.
> Harry R.

Congratulations Harry.  You must be thrilled!

Most of the outdoor shops have kids goretexes and fleeces.  Just a
few more years!  :)

I'm with you on the ground sheet.  I've use a bit of poly-tarp in the
past.  You can get these for $4 from Bunnings (6x4 ft).  You can
always convince yourself the tarp can be an emergency temporary
shelter when the huts are full.  I try to have things that have at
least two uses.


Paul



On 22/02/2006, at 4:13 PM, Neville Rossiter wrote:

> I think you really need to carry certain items all the time
> regardless of
> the climate just try and get the lightest you can find, and then
> adjust the
> rest of your gear to suit the time of the year.
> Be nice to have a proper hut/campsite on the southern side of the
> inlet, but
> I would settle for a water tank, it's a long day from Giants or
> Rame head to
> Boat Harbour if you don't want to stop at Peaceful Bay.
> I have tried to stay off this group because I'm busting to get out
> in the
> bush and all these discussions don't help !
>  My daughter had a baby boy the other week and just had to stay
> around for
> that, it is our first grand child.
> Harry R.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I slept in the same shed, under similar conditions last July, but did
> not have a ground sheet.
> The result was a puncture in my sleeping mat.
>
> So next time I will carry the ground sheet.
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Steve Davies
> West Perth
> Western Australia 6005
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Congrats Harry.

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> To:  aushiker@...
> Subject:  RE: [SPAM] [Aushiker] Re: Ground sheets
>
> I think you really need to carry certain items all the time regardless of
> the climate just try and get the lightest you can find, and then adjust
> the
> rest of your gear to suit the time of the year.
> Be nice to have a proper hut/campsite on the southern side of the inlet,
> but
> I would settle for a water tank, it's a long day from Giants or Rame head
> to
> Boat Harbour if you don't want to stop at Peaceful Bay.
> I have tried to stay off this group because I'm busting to get out in the
> bush and all these discussions don't help !
>  My daughter had a baby boy the other week and just had to stay around for
> that, it is our first grand child.
> Harry R.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I slept in the same shed, under similar conditions last July, but did
> not have a ground sheet.
> The result was a puncture in my sleeping mat.
>
> So next time I will carry the ground sheet.
>
>
> Steve
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I think you really need to carry certain items all the time regardless of
the climate just try and get the lightest you can find, and then adjust the
rest of your gear to suit the time of the year.
Be nice to have a proper hut/campsite on the southern side of the inlet, but
I would settle for a water tank, it's a long day from Giants or Rame head to
Boat Harbour if you don't want to stop at Peaceful Bay.
I have tried to stay off this group because I'm busting to get out in the
bush and all these discussions don't help !
  My daughter had a baby boy the other week and just had to stay around for
that, it is our first grand child.
Harry R.






I slept in the same shed, under similar conditions last July, but did
not have a ground sheet.
The result was a puncture in my sleeping mat.

So next time I will carry the ground sheet.


Steve










Steve Davies
West Perth
Western Australia 6005

Harry, thanks for the tip on Midland Disposals because I'm looking for a
ground sheet.
Ordered a you-beaut tent from the US, but they wanted $US45 for the
matching ground sheet (nearly a third the price of the tent, I might
add). Decided I could live without it at the price and make my own.
Always carry something to put under the sleeping bag, even in huts, and
there's always the prospect of sleeping under the stars if you're sure
its not going to rain.
Buying gear from the US is an interesting process, by the way. It's
about a third the price it is here, but the shipping costs an arm and a
leg.

Cheers,  Tony


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