Of course it's possible, when doing a big walk that requires water
drops, to also accidentally leave a bladder of port and a big sister
self saucing pudding....

Alex
On 06/07/2006, at 7:47 PM, Andrew wrote:

> On our last walk to Shapcotts, I carried about 500ml of port and
> enough of two types of cheese and a couple of pkts of crackers for
> everyone.
> After dinner we all shared each others wine and port and there was
> cheese and crackers for those that wanted.
> Sure this stuff was heavy but then then so was my snags and ham steaks
> and eggs for the morning.
> The thing for me is the mateship of hiking and camping makes it all
> worth while.
> We are planing another hike for August, 2 nights and a day and a half
> of walking and this time none of that stuff will be coming.
> Andrew_P2
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On our last walk to Shapcotts, I carried about 500ml of port and
enough of two types of cheese and a couple of pkts of crackers for
everyone.
After dinner we all shared each others wine and port and there was
cheese and crackers for those that wanted.
Sure this stuff was heavy but then then so was my snags and ham steaks
and eggs for the morning.
The thing for me is the mateship of hiking and camping makes it all
worth while.
We are planing another hike for August, 2 nights and a day and a half
of walking and this time none of that stuff will be coming.
Andrew_P2

Let us not forget the cheese, salami or polish sausage, pâté, smoked
oysters, celery sticks, carrot sticks and crackers as a pre dinner nibble
with chateau cardboard.

As I said. I do not mind a bit of weight for heaven.

You are more than welcome to come with us Tony.

Cheers

Ralph



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Hey! I really have to go on a walk with you blokes. Your breakfasts and
dinners sound MUCH more attractive than my museli and a reconstituted
packet of macaroni cheese!

(Actually, it's not THAT bad. On an overnight walk, I like a frozen slab
of spag bol sauce, or some chilli con carne, which thaws nicely in the
pack and is ready to heat at dusk. You have to learn to ignore the
pitiful looks of fellow walkers as the aroma wafts over the campsite).

And yes, Rob, I certainly take some red and have been known to take a
little scotch for a pre-dinner drink, as well. I think I am beginning to
understand why I walk slowly . . . . . . .

Cheers, Tony.

R


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Hey! I really have to go on a walk with you blokes. Your breakfasts and
dinners sound MUCH more attractive than my museli and a reconstituted
packet of macaroni cheese!

(Actually, it's not THAT bad. On an overnight walk, I like a frozen slab
of spag bol sauce, or some chilli con carne, which thaws nicely in the
pack and is ready to heat at dusk. You have to learn to ignore the
pitiful looks of fellow walkers as the aroma wafts over the campsite).

And yes, Rob, I certainly take some red and have been known to take a
little scotch for a pre-dinner drink, as well. I think I am beginning to
understand why I walk slowly . . . . . . .

Cheers, Tony.

R


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On 06/07/2006, at 6:18 AM, Rob Howes wrote:

> And we cannot forget the red wine - bugger the weight it, caps off the
> end
> of the day nicely (especially if shared with the new freinds you have
> meet
> while walking)
>
> Cheers,
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> Geraldton
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eddy Schmid" <eschmid@...>
> To: <aushiker@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Aushiker] re snags
>
>
>> Seriously guys, has it ever occurred to you, that in the days long
>> gone
>> by, bushwalkers of all persuasions actually cooked their
>> meat,(snags,chops, steak) before leaving home ?
>>
>> Worse, would you believe, none of them ever got ill either ?
>>
>> Actually, I have to confess to carrying around a knob of salami for 8
>> days
>> on several occasions and lived to tell about it.
>>
>> And frying pans..... OK I confess, been there done that,(still doing
>> it
>> too) and readily admit there's nothing better then a sausage and egg
>> for
>> breakfast cooked over an open fire at your leisure.
>>
>> Last but not the least, what about the sweats set up after the main
>> meal
>> of an evening, how often has a fellow walker surprised everyone with
>> the
>> concoction they've managed to put together ?
>>
>> Methinks people are losing the objective of going bushwalking and
>> overnight camping if such small pleasures are being denied.
>>
>> C'mon people, bush walking is supposed to be fun and enjoyable, most
>> of us
>> derive much pleasure from this and not all of us bust our gut to go
>> as far
>> as possible as quick and light as one can, some of us actually like to
>> smell the roses so to speak as we walk along, we even enjoy the whole
>> process of just setting up camp and socialising around said camp with
>> our
>> companions.
>>
>> For what it's worth, my humble view on the issue.
>> Eddy.
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And we cannot forget the red wine - bugger the weight it, caps off the end
of the day nicely (especially if shared with the new freinds you have meet
while walking)

Cheers,

Rob
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From: "Eddy Schmid" <eschmid@...>
To: <aushiker@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Aushiker] re snags


> Seriously guys, has it ever occurred to you, that in the days long gone
> by, bushwalkers of all persuasions actually cooked their
> meat,(snags,chops, steak) before leaving home ?
>
> Worse, would you believe, none of them ever got ill either ?
>
> Actually, I have to confess to carrying around a knob of salami for 8 days
> on several occasions and lived to tell about it.
>
> And frying pans..... OK I confess, been there done that,(still doing it
> too) and readily admit there's nothing better then a sausage and egg for
> breakfast cooked over an open fire at your leisure.
>
> Last but not the least, what about the sweats set up after the main meal
> of an evening, how often has a fellow walker surprised everyone with the
> concoction they've managed to put together ?
>
> Methinks people are losing the objective of going bushwalking and
> overnight camping if such small pleasures are being denied.
>
> C'mon people, bush walking is supposed to be fun and enjoyable, most of us
> derive much pleasure from this and not all of us bust our gut to go as far
> as possible as quick and light as one can, some of us actually like to
> smell the roses so to speak as we walk along, we even enjoy the whole
> process of just setting up camp and socialising around said camp with our
> companions.
>
> For what it's worth, my humble view on the issue.
> Eddy.
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Ralph,

IMHO that's the way to go...
Eddy.

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Eddy, I am with you on this.

Yes, on the short trips I always carry a little frypan to cook my marinated
porterhouse or pork chop or rump  for an evening meal with salad and enjoy
bacon, chipolatas, egg and tomato for breakfast washed down with mango
juice. My walking mates are used to my kitchen and now are not surprised. Is
my pack heavy, probably. Am I happy- you bet. Backpacking is all about fun
and enjoying it. I am prepared to carry the weight for a bit of heaven.

For longer trips I forgo these pleasures and move in the dehyd territory as
I need to carry a multitude of meals. So it is horses for courses.

Ralph



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To: aushiker@...
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Seriously guys, has it ever occurred to you, that in the days long gone by,
bushwalkers of all persuasions actually cooked their meat,(snags,chops,
steak) before leaving home ?

Worse, would you believe, none of them ever got ill either ?

Actually, I have to confess to carrying around a knob of salami for 8 days
on several occasions and lived to tell about it.

And frying pans..... OK I confess, been there done that,(still doing it too)
and readily admit there's nothing better then a sausage and egg for
breakfast cooked over an open fire at your leisure.

Last but not the least, what about the sweats set up after the main meal of
an evening, how often has a fellow walker surprised everyone with the
concoction they've managed to put together ?

Methinks people are losing the objective of going bushwalking and overnight
camping if such small pleasures are being denied.

C'mon people, bush walking is supposed to be fun and enjoyable, most of us
derive much pleasure from this and not all of us bust our gut to go as far
as possible as quick and light as one can, some of us actually like to smell
the roses so to speak as we walk along, we even enjoy the whole process of
just setting up camp and socialising around said camp with our companions.

For what it's worth, my humble view on the issue.
Eddy.

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Seriously guys, has it ever occurred to you, that in the days long gone by,
bushwalkers of all persuasions actually cooked their meat,(snags,chops, steak)
before leaving home ?

Worse, would you believe, none of them ever got ill either ?

Actually, I have to confess to carrying around a knob of salami for 8 days on
several occasions and lived to tell about it.

And frying pans..... OK I confess, been there done that,(still doing it too) and
readily admit there's nothing better then a sausage and egg for breakfast cooked
over an open fire at your leisure.

Last but not the least, what about the sweats set up after the main meal of an
evening, how often has a fellow walker surprised everyone with the concoction
they've managed to put together ?

Methinks people are losing the objective of going bushwalking and overnight
camping if such small pleasures are being denied.

C'mon people, bush walking is supposed to be fun and enjoyable, most of us
derive much pleasure from this and not all of us bust our gut to go as far as
possible as quick and light as one can, some of us actually like to smell the
roses so to speak as we walk along, we even enjoy the whole process of just
setting up camp and socialising around said camp with our companions.

For what it's worth, my humble view on the issue.
Eddy.

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At 06:20 AM 5/07/2006, you wrote:
> > Subject: Re: re pack weight
> > > > Cooking      pan, frying           142.00
> > >Is this necessary? I have muesli for breakfast: no frying pan, no
> > >cooking fuel, no mess, no extra weight.
> >
> > What the snags? :-)
>We do no frying at all. Avoids all messy washing up, and keeping
>sausages on a long walk in the heat is **very** risky.

I agree re long walks, but Andrew was heading off on a short
overnight ... a time to enjoy luxuries.

Andrew

> Using a plastic 1.25 water bottle in camp sucks big time, too much wasted
space in your back pack.
>
> Have you ever thought of using a WINE BLADDER instead ?

Many answers here.

1.  Space in my pack does not matter that much. What matters is WEIGHT. Empty
bottles are trivial.
2.  PET bottles are FAR more robust than a wine bladder (see my owner review of
them at BGT or on my FAQ).
3.  Using PET bottles is far more convenient when cooking - single-handed
operation.
4.  PET bottles allow much better weight distribution in my pack than a bladder.
5.  I have been carrying a wine skin for the last 15 years (see my owner review
of them at BGT or on my FAQ).

Cheers
Roger Caffin

> Subject: Re: re pack weight
> > > Cooking      pan, frying           142.00
> >Is this necessary? I have muesli for breakfast: no frying pan, no
> >cooking fuel, no mess, no extra weight.
>
> What the snags? :-)
We do no frying at all. Avoids all messy washing up, and keeping sausages on a
long walk in the heat is **very** risky.

Cheers
Roger Caffin

Hi

For your information, from 1 July 2006, the Department of
Conservation and Land Management merged with the Department of
Environment to form the Department of Environment and Conservation.
The current CALM website at http://www.naturebase.net is still
functioning but no doubt links to things such as the Bibbulmun Track
news feed will change in due course.

Regards
Andrew

Hi Murray,

They're fairly strong and I have not had any trouble with them. Seem to
recall reading on a US site that small holes, which may develop where
the bottles "fold" on a seam, can be repaired with duct tape. They're a
good shape to fit into a pack.
My current favourite cheap solid bottle is the 1 litre Powerade ($2.95).
Drink the contents and you are left with a sturdy bottle slightly longer
and thinner than a Nalgene hard bottle and with a good screw top.

Cheers,  Tony

Murray wrote:

>  Very cool... thanks tony. So are they good, robust ect? I want to
> replace my army bottles. the only issue I can see myself having is
> that i like having a solid bottle to fill my camelbak. it is easier to
>
> fill the army bottle from streams/tanks and then pour out again. what
> has your experience been?
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> --- In aushiker@..., Anthony Dyson <anthony.dyson@w...>
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> > Hi Murray,
> >
> > I've got some. I seem to remember buying them at either Paddy
> Pallins or
> > Snowgum (not much help, as it has disappeared). Paddys could be
> worth a
> > call. Cargills in Vic Park have more bushwalking-type gear than many
>
> > people probably realise and they had a good Nalgene range last time
> I
> > was there.
> >
> > Cheers,  Tony
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> > Murray wrote:
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I have found this pattern online for stuff sacks
http://www.uberpest.com/dittybag.html#ditty

Andrew_P2

--- In aushiker@..., "Murray" <mcox@s...> wrote:
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> I just checked out the ripstop nylon at spotlight. did you have a
> pattern for those stuff sacks andrew?
Hi
I created my own pattern based on the size of my pegs, but I am
willing to share and I should be able to  enlarge it based on your
size.

when do we get the photos?
I took 71 photos and once I cull them down and clean them up I will
upload them, hopefuly soon :)

> has anyone tried making thier own silnylon by coating ripstop in a
> solution of solvent (like turps) and window silicone??

I have not tried yet but I have read of this being down on some of the
other sites and may be a good idea, I would proberbly coat the ripstop
before sewing though.

Andrew_P2

I just checked out the ripstop nylon at spotlight. did you have a
pattern for those stuff sacks andrew? when do we get the photos?
has anyone tried making thier own silnylon by coating ripstop in a
solution of solvent (like turps) and window silicone??

Very cool... thanks tony. So are they good, robust ect? I want to
replace my army bottles. the only issue I can see myself having is
that i like having a solid bottle to fill my camelbak. it is easier to
fill the army bottle from streams/tanks and then pour out again. what
has your experience been?

--- In aushiker@..., Anthony Dyson <anthony.dyson@w...>
wrote:
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> Hi Murray,
>
> I've got some. I seem to remember buying them at either Paddy Pallins or
> Snowgum (not much help, as it has disappeared). Paddys could be worth a
> call. Cargills in Vic Park have more bushwalking-type gear than many
> people probably realise and they had a good Nalgene range last time I
> was there.
>
> Cheers,  Tony
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> > anywhere?? I asked in mountain designs on the weekend and they had
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Hey, thanks Perry. It wasn't until much later after sending my post that I
wondered if perhaps things might have changed since I went there. This was a
few years ago now. The issue then was the proposed removal of the tank. I'm
glad to hear it not only wasn't removed but was actually improved. That'll
learn me!
Cheers,
Gyro

On 03/07/2006, at 1:40 PM, Andrew wrote:

> Hi All
> I have come back from Friday night out at Shapcott hut, I slept in my
> tent and while it was cold and wet outside I was warm and dry inside,
> I used the mountain mat again for another good nights sleep, I was
> very comfortable and warm even though the mat is only about 35mm
> thick, at no time did I feel any cold through the mat and found that
> it did not slip around in the tent due to the urethane dimples on the
> under side of the mat.
> This is the second mat I have used and would have no trouble
> recommending it or showing it to others who may be looking for a new
> one.
>
> Thanks Mike for a great mat and I have already planned another couple
> of nights on it
> Andrew_P2
>

Hi all,

Just bought one of those myself and will 'test' it out this week end
on top end of Bib track.

I went for the 3/4 length 38 mm thick version and keeping with the
nature theme it is an olive green.
I had the previous version, but this one looks much better in design.

Anyway this weekend will be the test


Steve

Hi Murray,

I've got some. I seem to remember buying them at either Paddy Pallins or
Snowgum (not much help, as it has disappeared). Paddys could be worth a
call. Cargills in Vic Park have more bushwalking-type gear than many
people probably realise and they had a good Nalgene range last time I
was there.

Cheers,  Tony

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Has anyone seen the collapsable nalgene water containers in shops
anywhere?? I asked in mountain designs on the weekend and they had
never heard of them, but they are all over the US hiking websites.

Yeah, but in hindsight they really knackered those places.........
--
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Hi All
While doing some research into the Ghost house and other ruins in
Yanchep along the Ghost house trail I found this page about LE
Shapcott, it make for very interesting reading.

http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A110590b.htm

To quote just a section;

In 1920 Shapcott had nine Perth foreshores and reserves placed under
the control of the State Gardens Board, the personal empire which he
chaired; eventually the land under its control exceeded 16,700 acres
(6758 ha), including 5000 acres (2024 ha) in the Porongorups near
Albany, 9000 acres (3642 ha) of (now John Forrest) National Park and,
the jewel in the board's crown, Yanchep Park. On this, his pet
project, he directed planning and, often on weekends, worked to
transform swamp and bush to a beautiful park. Shapcott's management
was eccentric.

Andrew_P2

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Hi All
I have come back from Friday night out at Shapcott hut, I slept in my
tent and while it was cold and wet outside I was warm and dry inside,
I used the mountain mat again for another good nights sleep, I was
very comfortable and warm even though the mat is only about 35mm
thick, at no time did I feel any cold through the mat and found that
it did not slip around in the tent due to the urethane dimples on the
under side of the mat.
This is the second mat I have used and would have no trouble
recommending it or showing it to others who may be looking for a new
one.

Thanks Mike for a great mat and I have already planned another couple
of nights on it
Andrew_P2

Hi All
While doing some research into the Ghost house and other ruins in
Yanchep along the Ghost house trail I found this page about LE
Shapcott, it make for very interesting reading.

http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A110590b.htm

To quote just a section;

In 1920 Shapcott had nine Perth foreshores and reserves placed under
the control of the State Gardens Board, the personal empire which he
chaired; eventually the land under its control exceeded 16,700 acres
(6758 ha), including 5000 acres (2024 ha) in the Porongorups near
Albany, 9000 acres (3642 ha) of (now John Forrest) National Park and,
the jewel in the board's crown, Yanchep Park. On this, his pet
project, he directed planning and, often on weekends, worked to
transform swamp and bush to a beautiful park. Shapcott's management
was eccentric.

Andrew_P2

All,

No need to climb to the drum (unless there is a problem with the irrigation
pipe)
A black poly pipe with very high pressure (owing to the height diff from the
drum to the base of the 3rd arrow) is now in place. Just be careful to not waste
water and turn the tap off properly!

Cheers

Perry

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Look, one thing to watch for is that it is a highly athletic job to climb up
to the water drum, so take a young monkey with you. That, and the ground
underfoot is quite slippery when damp or misted.

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I would just like to thank Andrew, Ralph and Karl for an excelent
nights camping and a day and a half of walking. more to follow
thanks
Andrew_P2

That's great news Andrew, I might take my new Hobie Adventure up the canals
from Torbay Inlet to Lake Powell now I know they're full. I hate to plug a
product, but if you like the idea of hiking with a kayak, these things are
good.
Cheers,
Gyro

Look, one thing to watch for is that it is a highly athletic job to climb up
to the water drum, so take a young monkey with you. That, and the ground
underfoot is quite slippery when damp or misted. The big cave (it's huge!)
just around from the water drum up there is a joy to be in at dawn. The
other thing is to make good group decisions; ie, the first cave on from
Ellen Peak for the night's shelter is a hell of a lot better than the ridge,
but if you've only got 40 minutes till dark then you can't go past spending
another 20 mins to find your shelter - otherwise turn back to flat but very
exposed ground on the ridge. If you're over forty and just reasonably fit,
allow an extra day for the walk (make it 3 nights). Some years ago someone
from Perth bitched about the farmer at Glenelg farm (the closest approach to
Ellen Peak) using rocks from his paddock to fix a wet area. CALM
investigated - no case to answer. Glenelg Farm shut its gates. Oy, thanks
Perth! So, unless you're a local and know how to get to Ellen Peak from the
east approach, you now have an extra 13 k's to walk. So make allowances - in
general the whole thing is harder (or longer - same thing) than you will
calculate for.  But worth it. It was on this walk that I found out that a
col is a vertical cliff bounded by two sides. You will descend one of these
whether you are heading for the emergency exit or not.
Cheers,
Gyro

Dear All

Walkers are advised that it is necessary to breach the Torbay Inlet
sand bar in order to reduce the incidence of flooding on properties
surrounding Torbay Inlet which is currently nearing full capacity due
to the increased inflows from recent rainfall. The bar opening is
planned to occur on Friday June 30, 2006 with discharge to the sea
commencing in the early afternoon - on the receding tide.

Walkers will need to take the alternative route around the Inlet as
shown on Map 8 Denmark/Albany (2003) or the Southern Guide Book Page
280-281 (2004). Please ring CALM Albany Office 9842 4500 for further updates.

Regards
Andrew