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#2328 From: "Ralph Ditton" <rdassetts@...>
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2006 9:54 am
Subject:: RE: [Aushiker] Stoves & o/s treks
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Hi Mac,

Give Sam a call at Mountain Designs in Fremantle on 9335 1431.

Or Email him on freomds@...



He personally owns a JetBoil and has hiked all over New Zealand.

If you are impressed with the JetBoil I am sure that Sam would come to the
party with a generous discount. <g>

Myself personally I have not used one nor have I hiked in NZ.

However what I have heard about the JetBoil is all positive for boiling
water and foods that you add to water to cook like eggs (poached or boiled)
soup, noodles etc Get the drift. It is absolutely no good at cooking T Bones
or sausages and bacon.

Best

Ralph



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Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2006 9:08 AM
To: aushiker@...
Subject: [Aushiker] Stoves & o/s treks



Hi group

A while ago we discussed stoves (trangia vs gas etc). My fiance has
his heart set on buying a newfangled thing called jetboil. Can anyone
recommend? I am hesitant to part with $200+ in favour of my much loved
trangia.....

Also I am looking to plan an overseas hike next yr for my honeymoon
and want to see if anyone can recommend some good o/s treks. It would
be in July, so our winter. I was thinking of Milford sound in NZ but
middle of winter might be a bit miserable....

-Mac



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#2327 From: Michael Cridland <mjc44@...>
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2006 7:13 am
Subject:: new member
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hi all,

I am new to the list ... live in Qld, but the other half is from the
Pilbara (Karratha/Dampier) and I lived there for eighteen months also
and have traveled quite a bit of the far nor'west countryside.

I LOVE the place! (Has to be Australia's second best state easily ...
hehehe). ;)

Cheers,
Mick

#2326 From: "Lyndall Mac" <lyndallmac@...>
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2006 4:44 am
Subject:: Re: [Aushiker] Stoves & o/s treks
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Thanks I checked out the website - the reviews are very detailed!


>From: "Mark McLauchlin - Swan Valley IT" <mark@...>
>Reply-To: aushiker@...
>To: aushiker@...
>Subject: Re: [Aushiker] Stoves & o/s treks
>Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:24:01 +0800 (WST)
>
>Hi Mac,
>
>From what I have heard the jetboil is a great Stove (group cooking), there
>is a review on backbacktest gear, try this link then search at the top for
>"jetboil" there are a few.
>
>www.backpackgeartest.org
>
>Few comments in the -ve that were made was that its quite heavy, and the
>stand isnt the most stable, the plastic lids are hard to get on after some
>use,
>
>But in saying that If I had the $$ thats what i would get :)
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Cheers
>Hi group
>
>A while ago we discussed stoves (trangia vs gas etc). My fiance has
>his heart set on buying a newfangled thing called jetboil. Can anyone
>recommend? I am hesitant to part with $200+ in favour of my much loved
>trangia.....
>
>Also I am looking to plan an overseas hike next yr for my honeymoon
>and want to see if anyone can recommend some good o/s treks. It would
>be in July, so our winter. I was thinking of Milford sound in NZ but
>middle of winter might be a bit miserable....
>
>-Mac
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Mark McLauchlin
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#2325 From: Andrew Priest <andrew@...>
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2006 3:36 am
Subject:: Walking in Dunlop Volleys
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Hi Group

Thought this transcript of a Radio National story might be of
interest ...
<http://www.abc.net.au/rn/ockhamsrazor/stories/2006/1774279.htm#transcript>.

Andrew

#2324 From: "Lucas Trihey" <lucas@...>
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2006 2:54 am
Subject:: Re: Adventure Gear Guide
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Hi guys - thanks for the friendly welcome. I'll drop in occasionally to see
what's happing in
WA (but I won't click the email option for now). And we'll keep you in mind for
possible
gear discussions in the future.
Cheers
Lucas

--- In aushiker@..., "Ralph Ditton" <rdassetts@o...> wrote:
>
> Welcome Lucas.
>
> Feel free to contribute to this site if you have the time.
>
> Most of the time it is WA centered but we do have members around Australia
> and a few overseas.
>
> If Carl and your good self are ever under the pump in testing gear, you know
> where there are some BGT testers who would love to give a hand. Haven't
> spoken to the other three, but there are four of us with a fifth working on
> an Owner Review. <g>
>
> I received my backcopy of the Gear Review.
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Best
>
> Ralph

#2323 From: "Lyndall Mac" <lyndallmac@...>
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2006 2:30 am
Subject:: Re: [Aushiker] Stoves & o/s treks
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Thanks Andrew -

p.s am already planning to do tassie overland track in Jan! Looking for
something more exotic for july!


>From: Andrew Priest <andrew@...>
>Reply-To: aushiker@...
>To: aushiker@...
>Subject: Re: [Aushiker] Stoves & o/s treks
>Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 09:39:50 +0800
>
>At 09:07 AM 1/11/2006, you wrote:
> >Hi group
> >
> >A while ago we discussed stoves (trangia vs gas etc). My fiance has
> >his heart set on buying a newfangled thing called jetboil. Can anyone
> >recommend?
>
>See the reports at, you guessed it,
><http://www.backpackgeartest.org/jetboil/>.
>
> >Also I am looking to plan an overseas hike next yr for my honeymoon
>
>Does Tasmania count? :-)
>
>Andrew

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#2322 From: "Mark McLauchlin - Swan Valley IT" <mark@...>
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2006 1:24 am
Subject:: Re: [Aushiker] Stoves & o/s treks
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Hi Mac,

From what I have heard the jetboil is a great Stove (group cooking), there
is a review on backbacktest gear, try this link then search at the top for
"jetboil" there are a few.

www.backpackgeartest.org

Few comments in the -ve that were made was that its quite heavy, and the
stand isnt the most stable, the plastic lids are hard to get on after some
use,

But in saying that If I had the $$ thats what i would get :)

Hope this helps.

Cheers
Hi group

A while ago we discussed stoves (trangia vs gas etc). My fiance has
his heart set on buying a newfangled thing called jetboil. Can anyone
recommend? I am hesitant to part with $200+ in favour of my much loved
trangia.....

Also I am looking to plan an overseas hike next yr for my honeymoon
and want to see if anyone can recommend some good o/s treks. It would
be in July, so our winter. I was thinking of Milford sound in NZ but
middle of winter might be a bit miserable....

-Mac





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Regards,

Mark McLauchlin
Proprietor
Swan Valley IT
ABN: 60 288 056 889
Mobile: 0400787459
Email: mark@...
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#2321 From: Andrew Priest <andrew@...>
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2006 1:39 am
Subject:: Re: [Aushiker] Stoves & o/s treks
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At 09:07 AM 1/11/2006, you wrote:
>Hi group
>
>A while ago we discussed stoves (trangia vs gas etc). My fiance has
>his heart set on buying a newfangled thing called jetboil. Can anyone
>recommend?

See the reports at, you guessed it, <http://www.backpackgeartest.org/jetboil/>.

>Also I am looking to plan an overseas hike next yr for my honeymoon

Does Tasmania count? :-)

Andrew

#2320 From: Andrew Priest <andrew@...>
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2006 1:38 am
Subject:: Re: [Aushiker] Timberline trail hike
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At 08:50 PM 31/10/2006, you wrote:
>Hi All
>I have been able to process one photo that I would like to share with
>all of our weekend hike near Nannup.

Nice Andrew. Thanks for sharing.

Andrew

#2319 From: "Mark McLauchlin - Swan Valley IT" <mark@...>
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2006 1:24 am
Subject:: Re: [Aushiker] Timberline trail hike
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Thats a photo worth putting on the net :)

Thanks for sharing

Cheers

Hi All
I have been able to process one photo that I would like to share with
all of our weekend hike near Nannup.
I hope you like it.
Andrew_P2

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#2318 From: "mac_1101" <lyndallmac@...>
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2006 1:07 am
Subject:: Stoves & o/s treks
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Hi group

A while ago we discussed stoves (trangia vs gas etc). My fiance has
his heart set on buying a newfangled thing called jetboil. Can anyone
recommend? I am hesitant to part with $200+ in favour of my much loved
trangia.....

Also I am looking to plan an overseas hike next yr for my honeymoon
and want to see if anyone can recommend some good o/s treks. It would
be in July, so our winter. I was thinking of Milford sound in NZ but
middle of winter might be a bit miserable....

-Mac

#2317 From: "Andrew" <andrew@...>
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:50 pm
Subject:: Timberline trail hike
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Hi All
I have been able to process one photo that I would like to share with
all of our weekend hike near Nannup.
I hope you like it.
Andrew_P2

http://www.teamgunnparker.com//images/forum_images/trail.jpg

#2316 From: "Ralph Ditton" <rdassetts@...>
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:55 am
Subject:: RE: [Aushiker] Re: Adventure Gear Guide
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Welcome Lucas.

Feel free to contribute to this site if you have the time.

Most of the time it is WA centered but we do have members around Australia
and a few overseas.

If Carl and your good self are ever under the pump in testing gear, you know
where there are some BGT testers who would love to give a hand. Haven't
spoken to the other three, but there are four of us with a fifth working on
an Owner Review. <g>

I received my backcopy of the Gear Review.

Many thanks.

Best

Ralph





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From: aushiker@... [mailto:aushiker@...] On
Behalf Of Lucas Trihey
Sent: Saturday, 28 October 2006 6:36 AM
To: aushiker@...
Subject: [Aushiker] Re: Adventure Gear Guide



Hi all, just found this forum courtesy of Andrew's post on aus.bushwalking.
Can I put a few
cents worth in:

1.Yes we have adverts but a lot less than most comparable mags. Our ratio is
approx 35%
adverts whereas many mags work on 45 to 50% (such as Outdoor). Having said
that
adverts are actually an official "good thing" :-) as without them there'd be
no mags at all.
Interesting stat from a few years ago when I was editor of Outdoor mag - we
did a reader
survey and 80-something percent of respondents like reading the adverts
(true!). In
conversation with many readers over three years I often asked why and the
reply was
usually along the lines of "it's good to see what new stuff is coming out.".
Of course the
editorial does that as well but there you go, most readers don't seem to
have a problem
with adverts. Personally I rarely read adverts but just flick past them, I
don't view them as
a negative impact on my reading experience though.

2. As Andrew pointed out I am now "ex-editor of Outdoor". I was there from
Jan 2002 to
March 2005. I left and started Adventure Publishing (AP) with Carl Roe who
was my Equip
Editor at Outdoor. When we were at Outdoor we totally overhauled the gear
reviews and
had overwhelming good response from readers. We worked very hard to make
them useful
- take a look at the GPS articles in Jun/Jul05 for an example of what we
were doing (the
last review I commissioned and compiled before I left). That review is still
the only decent
comparison of GPS attributes I've seen anywhere no other Aust mags have even
attempted
to do this properly). Our philosophy then and now at AP is to present
readers with the info
they need to make an informed choice about gear. So for eg in a sleeping bag
article we'd
explain down types, shell fabrics, shape etc and we'd then give the readers
a selection of
current offerings at different prices. Where possible we'd weigh the items.
To me this
seems more sensible than a star rating system because the reality is that
different readers
will have different needs and expectations from gear, they will also have
different usage
patterns and budgets. So - a ressonable quality Oztrail tent may be "the
best" for a user
who camps out 4 times a year - the $200 tent will do everything they need
for a good
price. Whereas a $400 tent with better fabrics and design might be "the
best" for a walker
who is out every weekend in all conditions. I can't speak for what the
Outdoor reviews are
like nowadays. I realise the approach at BackpackGearTest.org is different
to what we do
and I wish anyone involved with it well, it looks like a good service and
although we have
slightly different approaches I respect your efforts.

3. Black Wolf prizes - yes, we have some BW prize packs to give away to help
us attract
new readers. It's very hard to market a new magazine without a big marketing
budget so
we need to make some offers like this one to help us compete in the very
tough world of
newsagent sales. We know the enthusiasts and gear nuts will seek us out but
to get a
wider audience we do need to be commercial in this respect. We are grateful
to BW for
advertising and for offering the prize packs but I would have thought it was
pretty clear
from the editorial pages (and there's about 115p of editorial) that they
don't get any
favouritism. Also - in reply to someone's comment about this reflecting on
the overall
quality - please don't judge the mag without looking - I hope you'll find
the overall quality
has nothing to do with one isolated prize offer. Eg. we also have a great
prize of a trip
from World Expeditions to promote our travel writing competition - and we
have in the
past, and will again in the future offer prizes from a range of suppliers
from cheapies to
premium brands.

4. Adventure Journal - it's not out yet. We are going to launch this new mag
in April 07. It
will be an articles based title although it will have a large gear review
(more on this below)
as well as news and a series of technique articles. Our website will have
more details of
exact launch date as we get closer or anyone can email me for more info -
lucas@...
If anyone has any great story ideas we are keen to see them.

5. We are preparing a field test review of gear for the Adventure Journal -
an earlier poster
on aus.bushwalking made the point that field tests are hard things for mags
to do
properly (and he was quite right) and we are excited to be able to devote
the resources to
try and do a proper job now that we are publishing independently. We'll have
a range of
gear in a "kit" that will be given to 4 experienced testers in different
parts of the country
and we'll present the results in April. It's not a full comparison of
products (it's still very
hard to do so on a relatively small readership and hence budget mag) but
what we are
doing we hope will be a good start.

Constructive feedback and ideas are always welcome.

Cheers and thanks for reading this far :-)

Lucas







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#2315 From: "Andrew" <andrew@...>
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:59 am
Subject:: Kids night out
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Hi All
For some time now Andrew and myself have been talking about an
overnight camping trip for Mums, Dads and Grandparents with kids,
this is to be a night away for kids mainly, the plan so far is to
park near to the hut at Hewitt's hill on the Bib track, walk about 2
klm's in and stay the night and then walk out to the cars in the
morning.

We have not as yet decided on a firm date but to get the ball rolling
if anyone is interested in a night like this please leave a post and
we will then organise things a lot better.

Anyone can come as long as you have a kid with you :)
there is room in the hut for about maybe 12 close people and there
are tent sites around the hut, there should be plenty of water at the
hut so you would need maybe one lunch, one evening meal and a
breakfast for each person.

thanks
Andrew_P2

#2314 From: Andrew Priest <andrew@...>
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:31 am
Subject:: Re: [Aushiker] Re: Adventure Gear Guide
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At 08:43 AM 31/10/2006, you wrote:
>Hi Lucas,
>
>Ah, that sounds better, must have read it that many times and still didnt
>pick that up, what would my uni lecturer think of that :)

Well being a Uni lecturer .... :-)

Andrew

#2313 From: "Mark McLauchlin - Swan Valley IT" <mark@...>
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:43 am
Subject:: Re: [Aushiker] Re: Adventure Gear Guide
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Hi Lucas,

Ah, that sounds better, must have read it that many times and still didnt
pick that up, what would my uni lecturer think of that :)

Cheers
Mark


Hi Mark,
thanks for the feedback.
your question sent a shiver down my spine "oh no, did we stuff up?" but I
checked and the
right info is there, phew...
A subscription gets you the Adventure Journal in Apr 07 and the NEXT
Adventure Gear
Guide in Oct 07 (which will be the "08" issue) ...I know it seems like a
long way off :-)
Cheers,
Lucas

--- In aushiker@..., "markmclauchlin" <mark@s...> wrote:
>
> Hi Lukas,
>
> Welcome, and thanks for your input.
>
> As a "newbie" to hiking I found the mag and excellent read, most of
> the items i have on my to-get list are from there.
>
> On the point about adverts, I too think they are a good read, if not
> for anything more than a good weblink to get your research started.
>
> One comment I wanted to make which i must say was a little annoying,
> but please let me know if i missed something. The competition for the
> BW gear was if you subscribe to both the Gear Guide and the adventure
> journal which you would only know if you already purchased the gear
> guide, so basically you miss out unless you want to pay for the gear
> guide again ? am I wrong? I looked all though the mag and read the
> competition several times and feel a little ripped off in the
> competion sence, rest of the guide is great work.
>
> Anyways thats me done, keep up the good work.
>
>
> Cheers
> Mark







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#2312 From: "Lucas Trihey" <lucas@...>
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:00 am
Subject:: Re: Adventure Gear Guide
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Hi Mark,
thanks for the feedback.
your question sent a shiver down my spine "oh no, did we stuff up?" but I
checked and the
right info is there, phew...
A subscription gets you the Adventure Journal in Apr 07 and the NEXT Adventure
Gear
Guide in Oct 07 (which will be the "08" issue) ...I know it seems like a long
way off :-)
Cheers,
Lucas

--- In aushiker@..., "markmclauchlin" <mark@s...> wrote:
>
> Hi Lukas,
>
> Welcome, and thanks for your input.
>
> As a "newbie" to hiking I found the mag and excellent read, most of
> the items i have on my to-get list are from there.
>
> On the point about adverts, I too think they are a good read, if not
> for anything more than a good weblink to get your research started.
>
> One comment I wanted to make which i must say was a little annoying,
> but please let me know if i missed something. The competition for the
> BW gear was if you subscribe to both the Gear Guide and the adventure
> journal which you would only know if you already purchased the gear
> guide, so basically you miss out unless you want to pay for the gear
> guide again ? am I wrong? I looked all though the mag and read the
> competition several times and feel a little ripped off in the
> competion sence, rest of the guide is great work.
>
> Anyways thats me done, keep up the good work.
>
>
> Cheers
> Mark

#2311 From: "markmclauchlin" <mark@...>
Date: Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:33 pm
Subject:: Re: Adventure Gear Guide
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Hi Lukas,

Welcome, and thanks for your input.

As a "newbie" to hiking I found the mag and excellent read, most of
the items i have on my to-get list are from there.

On the point about adverts, I too think they are a good read, if not
for anything more than a good weblink to get your research started.

One comment I wanted to make which i must say was a little annoying,
but please let me know if i missed something. The competition for the
BW gear was if you subscribe to both the Gear Guide and the adventure
journal which you would only know if you already purchased the gear
guide, so basically you miss out unless you want to pay for the gear
guide again ? am I wrong? I looked all though the mag and read the
competition several times and feel a little ripped off in the
competion sence, rest of the guide is great work.

Anyways thats me done, keep up the good work.


Cheers
Mark

--- In aushiker@..., "Lucas Trihey" <lucas@e...> wrote:
>
> Hi all, just found this forum courtesy of Andrew's post on
aus.bushwalking. Can I put a few
> cents worth in:
>
> 1.Yes we have adverts but a lot less than most comparable mags. Our
ratio is approx 35%
> adverts whereas many mags work on 45 to 50% (such as Outdoor).
Having said that
> adverts are actually an official "good thing" :-) as without them
there'd be no mags at all.
> Interesting stat from a few years ago when I was editor of Outdoor
mag - we did a reader
> survey and 80-something percent of respondents like reading the
adverts (true!). In
> conversation with many readers over three years I often asked why
and the reply was
> usually along the lines of "it's good to see what new stuff is
coming out…". Of course the
> editorial does that as well but there you go, most readers don't
seem to have a problem
> with adverts. Personally I rarely read adverts but just flick past
them, I don't view them as
> a negative impact on my reading experience though.
>
> 2. As Andrew pointed out I am now "ex-editor of Outdoor". I was
there from Jan 2002 to
> March 2005. I left and started Adventure Publishing (AP) with Carl
Roe who was my Equip
> Editor at Outdoor. When we were at Outdoor we totally overhauled
the gear reviews and
> had overwhelming good response from readers. We worked very hard to
make them useful
> - take a look at the GPS articles in Jun/Jul05 for an example of
what we were doing (the
> last review I commissioned and compiled before I left). That review
is still the only decent
> comparison of GPS attributes I've seen anywhere no other Aust mags
have even attempted
> to do this properly). Our philosophy then and now at AP is to
present readers with the info
> they need to make an informed choice about gear. So for eg in a
sleeping bag article we'd
> explain down types, shell fabrics, shape etc and we'd then give the
readers a selection of
> current offerings at different prices. Where possible we'd weigh
the items. To me this
> seems more sensible than a star rating system because the reality
is that different readers
> will have different needs and expectations from gear, they will
also have different usage
> patterns and budgets. So - a ressonable quality Oztrail tent may
be "the best" for a user
> who camps out 4 times a year - the $200 tent will do everything
they need for a good
> price. Whereas a $400 tent with better fabrics and design might
be "the best" for a walker
> who is out every weekend in all conditions. I can't speak for what
the Outdoor reviews are
> like nowadays. I realise the approach at BackpackGearTest.org is
different to what we do
> and I wish anyone involved with it well, it looks like a good
service and although we have
> slightly different approaches I respect your efforts.
>
> 3. Black Wolf prizes - yes, we have some BW prize packs to give
away to help us attract
> new readers. It's very hard to market a new magazine without a big
marketing budget so
> we need to make some offers like this one to help us compete in the
very tough world of
> newsagent sales. We know the enthusiasts and gear nuts will seek us
out but to get a
> wider audience we do need to be commercial in this respect. We are
grateful to BW for
> advertising and for offering the prize packs but I would have
thought it was pretty clear
> from the editorial pages (and there's about 115p of editorial) that
they don't get any
> favouritism. Also – in reply to someone's comment about this
reflecting on the overall
> quality – please don't judge the mag without looking – I hope
you'll find the overall quality
> has nothing to do with one isolated prize offer. Eg. we also have a
great prize of a trip
> from World Expeditions to promote our travel writing competition -
and we have in the
> past, and will again in the future offer prizes from a range of
suppliers from cheapies to
> premium brands.
>
> 4. Adventure Journal – it's not out yet. We are going to launch
this new mag in April 07. It
> will be an articles based title although it will have a large gear
review (more on this below)
> as well as news and a series of technique articles. Our website
will have more details of
> exact launch date as we get closer or anyone can email me for more
info -
> lucas@a...
> If anyone has any great story ideas we are keen to see them.
>
> 5. We are preparing a field test review of gear for the Adventure
Journal - an earlier poster
> on aus.bushwalking made the point that field tests are hard things
for mags to do
> properly (and he was quite right) and we are excited to be able to
devote the resources to
> try and do a proper job now that we are publishing independently.
We'll have a range of
> gear in a "kit" that will be given to 4 experienced testers in
different parts of the country
> and we'll present the results in April. It's not a full comparison
of products (it's still very
> hard to do so on a relatively small readership and hence budget
mag) but what we are
> doing we hope will be a good start.
>
> Constructive feedback and ideas are always welcome.
>
> Cheers and thanks for reading this far :-)
>
> Lucas
>

#2310 From: "Lucas Trihey" <lucas@...>
Date: Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:36 pm
Subject:: Re: Adventure Gear Guide
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Hi all, just found this forum courtesy of Andrew's post on aus.bushwalking. Can
I put a few
cents worth in:

1.Yes we have adverts but a lot less than most comparable mags. Our ratio is
approx 35%
adverts whereas many mags work on 45 to 50% (such as Outdoor). Having said that
adverts are actually an official "good thing" :-) as without them there'd be no
mags at all.
Interesting stat from a few years ago when I was editor of Outdoor mag - we did
a reader
survey and 80-something percent of respondents like reading the adverts (true!).
In
conversation with many readers over three years I often asked why and the reply
was
usually along the lines of "it's good to see what new stuff is coming out…". Of
course the
editorial does that as well but there you go, most readers don't seem to have a
problem
with adverts. Personally I rarely read adverts but just flick past them, I don't
view them as
a negative impact on my reading experience though.

2. As Andrew pointed out I am now "ex-editor of Outdoor". I was there from Jan
2002 to
March 2005. I left and started Adventure Publishing (AP) with Carl Roe who was
my Equip
Editor at Outdoor. When we were at Outdoor we totally overhauled the gear
reviews and
had overwhelming good response from readers. We worked very hard to make them
useful
- take a look at the GPS articles in Jun/Jul05 for an example of what we were
doing (the
last review I commissioned and compiled before I left). That review is still the
only decent
comparison of GPS attributes I've seen anywhere no other Aust mags have even
attempted
to do this properly). Our philosophy then and now at AP is to present readers
with the info
they need to make an informed choice about gear. So for eg in a sleeping bag
article we'd
explain down types, shell fabrics, shape etc and we'd then give the readers a
selection of
current offerings at different prices. Where possible we'd weigh the items. To
me this
seems more sensible than a star rating system because the reality is that
different readers
will have different needs and expectations from gear, they will also have
different usage
patterns and budgets. So - a ressonable quality Oztrail tent may be "the best"
for a user
who camps out 4 times a year - the $200 tent will do everything they need for a
good
price. Whereas a $400 tent with better fabrics and design might be "the best"
for a walker
who is out every weekend in all conditions. I can't speak for what the Outdoor
reviews are
like nowadays. I realise the approach at BackpackGearTest.org is different to
what we do
and I wish anyone involved with it well, it looks like a good service and
although we have
slightly different approaches I respect your efforts.

3. Black Wolf prizes - yes, we have some BW prize packs to give away to help us
attract
new readers. It's very hard to market a new magazine without a big marketing
budget so
we need to make some offers like this one to help us compete in the very tough
world of
newsagent sales. We know the enthusiasts and gear nuts will seek us out but to
get a
wider audience we do need to be commercial in this respect. We are grateful to
BW for
advertising and for offering the prize packs but I would have thought it was
pretty clear
from the editorial pages (and there's about 115p of editorial) that they don't
get any
favouritism. Also – in reply to someone's comment about this reflecting on the
overall
quality – please don't judge the mag without looking – I hope you'll find the
overall quality
has nothing to do with one isolated prize offer. Eg. we also have a great prize
of a trip
from World Expeditions to promote our travel writing competition - and we have
in the
past, and will again in the future offer prizes from a range of suppliers from
cheapies to
premium brands.

4. Adventure Journal – it's not out yet. We are going to launch this new mag in
April 07. It
will be an articles based title although it will have a large gear review (more
on this below)
as well as news and a series of technique articles. Our website will have more
details of
exact launch date as we get closer or anyone can email me for more info -
lucas@...
If anyone has any great story ideas we are keen to see them.

5. We are preparing a field test review of gear for the Adventure Journal - an
earlier poster
on aus.bushwalking made the point that field tests are hard things for mags to
do
properly (and he was quite right) and we are excited to be able to devote the
resources to
try and do a proper job now that we are publishing independently. We'll have a
range of
gear in a "kit" that will be given to 4 experienced testers in different parts
of the country
and we'll present the results in April. It's not a full comparison of products
(it's still very
hard to do so on a relatively small readership and hence budget mag) but what we
are
doing we hope will be a good start.

Constructive feedback and ideas are always welcome.

Cheers and thanks for reading this far :-)

Lucas

#2309 From: "markmclauchlin" <mark@...>
Date: Sun Oct 29, 2006 7:18 am
Subject:: Re: Shoes
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Thanks mate, will give them a try.

I called Blunstone HO and they looked for sales movements and only
came up with Tas,

Then called workclobber and they told me Tas also,

Will try your suggestion

- In aushiker@..., "Ralph Ditton" <rdassetts@o...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Well I am surprised. I brought mine in East Vic Park at the
Hardware Hood
> Surplus. They have changed their name to Totally Workwear and have
another
> shop close to you at Midvale.
>
> The address is Unit 9/14 Farrall Rd. Midvale. Ph. 9274 0815. The
EVP store
> ph no is 9361 1023. Ask to speak to Marshall. He is the son of the
owner and
> he floats between the stores.
>
> I know that they still carry some range of the Blunderstone boots.
He could
> even order it in for you so that you could try out for the size, or
they
> might have that gadget which measures your foot.
>
> Best
>
> Ralph
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: aushiker@...
[mailto:aushiker@...] On
> Behalf Of markmclauchlin
> Sent: Sunday, 29 October 2006 10:22 AM
> To: aushiker@...
> Subject: [Aushiker] Re: Shoes
>
>
>
> Hi Ralph,
>
> Looks like the Blunderstone Mountain Masters, are only available in
> Tasmania, can get them shipped here total cost of $120.00 but
little
> hesitant as cant try them first.
>
> Think i will keep looking, here are heaps in the 07 adventure guide.
>
> Thanks again
>
> ,_._,___
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

#2308 From: "Ralph Ditton" <rdassetts@...>
Date: Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:39 am
Subject:: RE: [Aushiker] Re: Shoes
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Hi Mark,

Well I am surprised. I brought mine in East Vic Park at the Hardware Hood
Surplus. They have changed their name to Totally Workwear and have another
shop close to you at Midvale.

The address is Unit 9/14 Farrall Rd. Midvale. Ph. 9274 0815. The EVP store
ph no is 9361 1023. Ask to speak to Marshall. He is the son of the owner and
he floats between the stores.

I know that they still carry some range of the Blunderstone boots. He could
even order it in for you so that you could try out for the size, or they
might have that gadget which measures your foot.

Best

Ralph



   _____

From: aushiker@... [mailto:aushiker@...] On
Behalf Of markmclauchlin
Sent: Sunday, 29 October 2006 10:22 AM
To: aushiker@...
Subject: [Aushiker] Re: Shoes



Hi Ralph,

Looks like the Blunderstone Mountain Masters, are only available in
Tasmania, can get them shipped here total cost of $120.00 but little
hesitant as cant try them first.

Think i will keep looking, here are heaps in the 07 adventure guide.

Thanks again

,_._,___



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#2307 From: "markmclauchlin" <mark@...>
Date: Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:21 am
Subject:: Re: Shoes
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Hi Ralph,

Looks like the Blunderstone Mountain Masters, are only available in
Tasmania, can get them shipped here total cost of $120.00 but little
hesitant as cant try them first.

Think i will keep looking, here are heaps in the 07 adventure guide.

Thanks again

--- In aushiker@..., "Ralph Ditton" <rdassetts@o...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> I got a pair of Blunderstone Mountain Masters, a hiking boot and a
good
> Aussie boot. Lasted me three years and cost approx $120.
>
> Still use them around the garden.
>
> Ralph
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: aushiker@...
[mailto:aushiker@...] On
> Behalf Of markmclauchlin
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 8:42 PM
> To: aushiker@...
> Subject: [Aushiker] Shoes
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone recommend a brand of Hiking shoe to purchase, something
that
> wont cost me the earth? Between $80.00- $100 (am I realistic?).
>
> Checked out the backpackgeartest.org site and looked at a few but
they
> were up there in terms of cost.
>
> ps, almost have my gear list sorted out so will stop posting help
> messages soon,
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

#2306 From: "Andrew" <andrew@...>
Date: Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:44 pm
Subject:: Hydration Pack
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Hi all
For those who may be interested, today I made my own Hydration Pack
to take the bladder I have and to fit onto the back of my back pack,
for a short story of what I did plus some photo's have a look here.

Andrew_p2
http://teamgunnparker.com/custom_pages/diy_hydration_pack.htm

#2305 From: "Mark McLauchlin - Swan Valley IT" <mark@...>
Date: Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:18 pm
Subject:: Re: [Aushiker] Message Category Suggestion
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thanks mate,

was just a thought.

Cheers
At 09:54 PM 20/10/2006, you wrote:
>What do you all think about a s/hand items for sale area of the group?

Hi Mark

As long as the subject line is prefaced FS or FA (For Sale or For
Auction) and the items are related to bushwalking and/or camping and
really personal sales I don't have a problem with. Personally I
suspect you may do better on eBay but it is your call.

Andrew



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#2304 From: Andrew Priest <andrew@...>
Date: Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:54 am
Subject:: RE: [Aushiker] Adventure Gear Guide
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At 05:41 PM 18/10/2006, you wrote:
>After visiting three newsagents, I finally found a copy at Karrawarra.
>
>I also had a skim lasting about ½ an hour and it looks very busy with ads
>and information scattered throughout.
>
>Once I get used to the lay out it should be a good reference document.

Thanks. I think I will give it a miss.

Andrew

#2303 From: Andrew Priest <andrew@...>
Date: Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:57 am
Subject:: Re: [Aushiker] Message Category Suggestion
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At 09:54 PM 20/10/2006, you wrote:
>What do you all think about a s/hand items for sale area of the group?

Hi Mark

As long as the subject line is prefaced FS or FA (For Sale or For
Auction) and the items are related to bushwalking and/or camping and
really personal sales I don't have a problem with. Personally I
suspect you may do better on eBay but it is your call.

Andrew

#2302 From: Andrew Priest <andrew@...>
Date: Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:54 am
Subject:: Re: [Aushiker] re Adventure mag
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At 06:55 PM 18/10/2006, you wrote:
> > Has anyone come across the magazine, Adventure Journal? It appears to
> > a be a new publication with staff from either Wild or Outdoor
> > Australia. Details at
> <http://www.adventurepublishing.com.au/>http://www.adventurepublishing.com.au/
>Editor Lucas Trahey I think - also Editor of Outdoor Australia.

Ex editor of Outdoor Australia.

>Format seems to be 'Gear Guides'.
>Prizes for buying it (or along those lines) of four Black Wolf Packs.
>I think the prizes sort of classify it.

Understand.

Andrew


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#2301 From: Andrew Priest <andrew@...>
Date: Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:55 am
Subject:: Re: [Aushiker] Adventure Gear Guide
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At 01:25 PM 18/10/2006, you wrote:
>I just picked up my copy 5 mins ago at the Albany Newsagent.
>
>I quick flick thru & there's lots of ads - I hope there'll be some
>good articles for the $9.95

Thanks. I think I will give it a miss.

Andrew

#2300 From: "markmclauchlin" <mark@...>
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:54 pm
Subject:: Message Category Suggestion
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What do you all think about a s/hand items for sale area of the group?

Andrew? has it been raised before?

Cheers
Mark

#2299 From: Andrew Priest <andrew@...>
Date: Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:23 am
Subject:: BackpackGearTest.org - Call for Gear Testers
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G'day

This is a blatant plug for BackpackGearTest. We want more Testers to
test FREE gear. Why? Read on.

BackpackGearTest.org is an international volunteer organisation
dedicated to testing gear. It is strictly NON-commercial: there are
NO fees (and no advertising either). The aim is to really test
backpacking (bushwalking, tramping, walking) gear and to report on
that gear for the benefit of other hikers (walkers). These reviews
can be read by anyone at all around the world, for free. If you want
to here Jerry Goller, the founder of BackpackGearTest.org talk about
the program, please visit http://www.wildebeat.net/index.cgi/2005/07/01#E003

We also need more testers due to manufacturer demand as can be seen
from our Outdoor Retailer Show reports which you can find at
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/News/

So what is involved?

Well, BackpackGearTest.org talks with vendors and persuades them to
put items up for test. These items are advertised and qualified
Testers send in applications. Usually there are three of any item, so
three are chosen. They get the gear, test it and report to
BackpackGearTest.org on it, and then are allowed to keep the gear.
Actually, more and more vendors are now coming to us to OFFER gear.

In more detail then:

Anyone can become involved. To become a 'qualified Tester' you have
to submit two 'Owner Reviews' (ORs) and have them accepted.
BackpackGearTest.org reviews have to meet certain standards, but
these can be found on the http://www.backpackgeartest.org web site
and the BackpackGearTest.org Editors will help you meet the
standards. The more ORs you write, the better your chances of getting
selected for the big items of gear. The day-to-day traffic about the
Owner Reviews etc is on
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/ and the actually Test
administration is done at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTesters/. Feel free to
lurk. Both groups are free too.

We also have in place a mentor program, where experienced testers are
happy to work hand in hand with folks new to the program. If you
would like to work with a mentor, please ask for a mentor in our
group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/.

Once you have had two ORs accepted you are a 'newbie'. This means you
can Field Test one significant bit of gear. Sometimes minor items can
also be tested. The sequence for a Field Test is:

* On receipt of the gear: notify BGT that day.
* Within 7 days: submit an Initial Report: first impressions, without
any field testing.
* Within 2 months: submit a Field Report (FR) based on actual use in the field.
* After 4 months: submit a Long Term Report (LTR) - did it wear out etc.

After this the gear is yours to keep.

Once you have finished one full Test (i.e., submitted the LTR) you
'graduate', and can then apply for multiple items. The purpose of the
slow intro is to ensure that everyone who is given a bit of gear WILL
complete the full Test and WILL write the reports. Before that the
gear belongs to BackpackGearTest.org. That's the deal. In practice,
many experienced Testers may have six or more items under Test at one
time. That's fine, but you do have to write all the reports.

The last 20 items I have tested or currently are testing are:

* Kamik Chase shoes - In progress
* Therm-a-Rest Trail Comfort - In progress
* SealLine Storm Sack - In progress
* MSR CloudLiner - In progress
* Zyflex Thermal Shirt and Pants - In progress
* Granite Gear Stratus Latitude - Completed
* Big Sky Products Better than Fleece Convertible Jacket - Completed
* Big Sky Products Evolution 1P Shelter - Completed
* Wilderness Wear Kosciuszko Socks - Completed.
* Petzl Tikka Plus headlamp - Completed.
* Spectrum Brands Insect Repellents - Completed.
* Sierra Designs Osage Sleeping Bag - Completed.
* Red Ledge Cirrostratus Jacket - Completed.
* MSR Overland Carbon trekking poles - Completed.
* Shock Doctor Ultra 3 Footbeds - Completed.
* Mountain Safety Research (MSR) Missing Link Tent - Completed.
* Watchful Eye Designs O.P. Sak bags - Completed.
* Cascade Designs Therm-A-Rest ProLite 4S Sleeping Pad - Completed.
* Outdoor Research Rocky Mountain Packcloth Gaiters - Completed.
* AntiGravityGear Mamas Kitchen Cookset - Completed.

Do these things look interesting? And how! There are some big brand
names included, as well as smaller brands, which are available over the web.

Why do vendors participate? Because BackpackGearTest.org is now way
up on the Google hit list for people searching for info on new gear.
It's becoming a major gear reference site, because unlike the
magazines it is unbiased.

In addition, I get to read about some of the latest gear
developments, including the stuff from the smaller manufacturers. And
especially in the lightweight and ultralightweight areas.

So why am I advertising this?

BackpackGearTest.org needs more Testers for the gear that is being
offered. Many of the current Testers have as much gear as they can
handle (max'ed out), and yet more gear is being offered to
BackpackGearTest.org. As well we are getting more international
manufacturers (e.g., Australian, New Zealand, European and United
Kingdom) interested.

Have a look at the BackpackGearTest.org web site and the Yahoo!
group, and see what you think.

Regards
Andrew Priest


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