Filthy's will probably be busy from about 6pm, as it's a non-PS pay
week and it's usually busier then.  Same with Little Brussels (aka the
Belgian Beer Cafe).

Green Square is as good a meeting place as any on a sunny Friday arvo.
  Hopefully I'll make it - depends on how tired my visitors are.

Mel

--- In bc_canberra@..., "llyon_2000" <llyon_2000@...>
wrote:
>
>
> I checked last week and all the coffee places are closed by 4pm.
>
> So that leaves - restaurants, Filthy McFaddens (is it likely to be
> crowded and busy on a Friday night? - maybe not until later) and the
> Belgian Beer Pub - I don't know anything about their prices.
>
> A few other pubs as well.
>
> What if we meet on a seat in Green Square and decide from there?
>
>

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 1:12 PM, llyon_2000 <llyon_2000@...> wrote:
>
> I checked last week and all the coffee places are closed by 4pm.
>
> So that leaves - restaurants, Filthy McFaddens (is it likely to be
> crowded and busy on a Friday night? - maybe not until later) and the
> Belgian Beer Pub - I don't know anything about their prices.
>
> A few other pubs as well.
>
> What if we meet on a seat in Green Square and decide from there?

Works for me...

--
Peter in Canberra

I checked last week and all the coffee places are closed by 4pm.

So that leaves - restaurants, Filthy McFaddens (is it likely to be
crowded and busy on a Friday night? - maybe not until later) and the
Belgian Beer Pub - I don't know anything about their prices.

A few other pubs as well.

What if we meet on a seat in Green Square and decide from there?



--- In bc_canberra@..., Unravelled <peggysmum@...> wrote:
>
> I can make it Friday.  I know nothing of venues in
> Kingston (apart from the Black Swan cafe and it
> probably isn't there anymore) - where are we meeting?
>
>
> Antoinette
>   On the needles at Unravelled Blog http://www.need2knit.blogspot.com
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>

I can make it Friday.  I know nothing of venues in
Kingston (apart from the Black Swan cafe and it
probably isn't there anymore) - where are we meeting?


Antoinette
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Well, let's make a decision.

Let's meet in Kingston 5.30pm on Friday.

Congratulations Denise!  How exciting!


--- In bc_canberra@..., Skyring <Skyring@...> wrote:
>
> Friday arvo would be good. I'll have had a day off and be packed and
> rested. Saturday morning I'm gone!
>
> Pete
>
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Melanie <melanie_2474@...> wrote:
> > Congratulations Nisi - that's terrific news! Good luck with that
> > deadline.
> >
> > Skyring - I guess we'd better make it a meet up this week then if
> > we're going to catch you! My sister and her son will be visiting next
> > weekend (arriving Friday) and I'm sure she'd like to meet some local
> > BCers as there aren't many in her neck of the woods.
> >
> > Can people make either a Friday afternoon (say 530pm to allow people
> > to get away from work) or Saturday morning about 930am at Kingston or
> > Manuka? If we can get a consensus on time and venue I'll try to make
> > a booking so we have somewhere to sit.
> >
> > Melanie2474
> >
> > --- In bc_canberra@..., Skyring <Skyring@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Denise, that's wonderful. Puzzles for Dummies! Brilliant concept!
> >>
> >> I'll be leaving for Charleston early on Saturday 4th - I'd be keen on
> >> a meeting before then.
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Denise Sutherland
> >> <denise@> wrote:
> >> > Kingston sounds nice ... plenty of lovely cafes and nooks and
> > crannies.
> >> >
> >> > I'll be absent for the next 4 months, as I've just signed a book
> > contract
> >> > with Wiley to write a massive puzzle book in the 'For Dummies'
series
> >> > (!!!!!) ... and the deadline is pretty horrendous. My first ISBN
> > of my very
> >> > own!
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Denise :)
> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >> > Sutherland Studios
> >> > PO Box 3849 Weston Creek ACT 2611
> >> > P & F 02 6156 0024
> >> > http://sutherland-studios.com.au
> >> > http://cafepress.com/knittingart
> >> > http://knittingart.com.au
> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > On 23/09/2008, at 2:49 PM, Melanie wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hey ACT BCers - did we ever decide on where and when we will
hold our
> >> > meetings/chats now that Starbucks is no more?
> >> >
> >> > Maybe time for our intrepid moderators to conduct a poll?
> >> >
> >> > Personally, I'm all for a late afternoon/early evening and/or a
> > weekend
> >> > morning somewhere central like Manuka or Kingston that has good
> >> > availability of buses and plenty of venues to choose from.
> >> >
> >> > Melanie2474
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Peter in Canberra
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Peter in Canberra
>

Friday arvo would be good. I'll have had a day off and be packed and
rested. Saturday morning I'm gone!

Pete

On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Melanie <melanie_2474@...> wrote:
> Congratulations Nisi - that's terrific news! Good luck with that
> deadline.
>
> Skyring - I guess we'd better make it a meet up this week then if
> we're going to catch you! My sister and her son will be visiting next
> weekend (arriving Friday) and I'm sure she'd like to meet some local
> BCers as there aren't many in her neck of the woods.
>
> Can people make either a Friday afternoon (say 530pm to allow people
> to get away from work) or Saturday morning about 930am at Kingston or
> Manuka? If we can get a consensus on time and venue I'll try to make
> a booking so we have somewhere to sit.
>
> Melanie2474
>
> --- In bc_canberra@..., Skyring <Skyring@...> wrote:
>>
>> Denise, that's wonderful. Puzzles for Dummies! Brilliant concept!
>>
>> I'll be leaving for Charleston early on Saturday 4th - I'd be keen on
>> a meeting before then.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Denise Sutherland
>> <denise@...> wrote:
>> > Kingston sounds nice ... plenty of lovely cafes and nooks and
> crannies.
>> >
>> > I'll be absent for the next 4 months, as I've just signed a book
> contract
>> > with Wiley to write a massive puzzle book in the 'For Dummies' series
>> > (!!!!!) ... and the deadline is pretty horrendous. My first ISBN
> of my very
>> > own!
>> > Cheers,
>> > Denise :)
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------
>> > Sutherland Studios
>> > PO Box 3849 Weston Creek ACT 2611
>> > P & F 02 6156 0024
>> > http://sutherland-studios.com.au
>> > http://cafepress.com/knittingart
>> > http://knittingart.com.au
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > On 23/09/2008, at 2:49 PM, Melanie wrote:
>> >
>> > Hey ACT BCers - did we ever decide on where and when we will hold our
>> > meetings/chats now that Starbucks is no more?
>> >
>> > Maybe time for our intrepid moderators to conduct a poll?
>> >
>> > Personally, I'm all for a late afternoon/early evening and/or a
> weekend
>> > morning somewhere central like Manuka or Kingston that has good
>> > availability of buses and plenty of venues to choose from.
>> >
>> > Melanie2474
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Peter in Canberra
>>
>
>



--
Peter in Canberra

Congratulations Nisi - that's terrific news!  Good luck with that
deadline.

Skyring - I guess we'd better make it a meet up this week then if
we're going to catch you!  My sister and her son will be visiting next
weekend (arriving Friday) and I'm sure she'd like to meet some local
BCers as there aren't many in her neck of the woods.

Can people make either a Friday afternoon (say 530pm to allow people
to get away from work) or Saturday morning about 930am at Kingston or
Manuka?  If we can get a consensus on time and venue I'll try to make
a booking so we have somewhere to sit.

Melanie2474

--- In bc_canberra@..., Skyring <Skyring@...> wrote:
>
> Denise, that's wonderful. Puzzles for Dummies! Brilliant concept!
>
> I'll be leaving for Charleston early on Saturday 4th - I'd be keen on
> a meeting before then.
>
> Peter
>
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Denise Sutherland
> <denise@...> wrote:
> > Kingston sounds nice ... plenty of lovely cafes and nooks and
crannies.
> >
> > I'll be absent for the next 4 months, as I've just signed a book
contract
> > with Wiley to write a massive puzzle book in the 'For Dummies' series
> > (!!!!!) ... and the deadline is pretty horrendous. My first ISBN
of my very
> > own!
> > Cheers,
> > Denise  :)
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Sutherland Studios
> > PO Box 3849 Weston Creek ACT 2611
> > P & F  02 6156 0024
> > http://sutherland-studios.com.au
> > http://cafepress.com/knittingart
> > http://knittingart.com.au
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > On 23/09/2008, at 2:49 PM, Melanie wrote:
> >
> > Hey ACT BCers - did we ever decide on where and when we will hold our
> > meetings/chats now that Starbucks is no more?
> >
> > Maybe time for our intrepid moderators to conduct a poll?
> >
> > Personally, I'm all for a late afternoon/early evening and/or a
weekend
> > morning somewhere central like Manuka or Kingston that has good
> > availability of buses and plenty of venues to choose from.
> >
> > Melanie2474
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Peter in Canberra
>

Denise, that's wonderful. Puzzles for Dummies! Brilliant concept!

I'll be leaving for Charleston early on Saturday 4th - I'd be keen on
a meeting before then.

Peter

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Denise Sutherland
<denise@...> wrote:
> Kingston sounds nice ... plenty of lovely cafes and nooks and crannies.
>
> I'll be absent for the next 4 months, as I've just signed a book contract
> with Wiley to write a massive puzzle book in the 'For Dummies' series
> (!!!!!) ... and the deadline is pretty horrendous. My first ISBN of my very
> own!
> Cheers,
> Denise  :)
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Sutherland Studios
> PO Box 3849 Weston Creek ACT 2611
> P & F  02 6156 0024
> http://sutherland-studios.com.au
> http://cafepress.com/knittingart
> http://knittingart.com.au
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> On 23/09/2008, at 2:49 PM, Melanie wrote:
>
> Hey ACT BCers - did we ever decide on where and when we will hold our
> meetings/chats now that Starbucks is no more?
>
> Maybe time for our intrepid moderators to conduct a poll?
>
> Personally, I'm all for a late afternoon/early evening and/or a weekend
> morning somewhere central like Manuka or Kingston that has good
> availability of buses and plenty of venues to choose from.
>
> Melanie2474
>
>
>



--
Peter in Canberra

Lyn

Yes it is lovely, but be prepared to pay through the nose if you want a
drink!

Melanie2474 (aka Mel)

--- In bc_canberra@..., "llyon_2000" <llyon_2000@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Yes the Belgian Beer place in Jardine St opposite Green Square.  I
> haven't been there, always think it looks nice.
>
> Would be great to catch up before you head for Charleston Pete.
>
> Lyn.
>

Hey ACT BCers - did we ever decide on where and when we will hold our
meetings/chats now that Starbucks is no more?

Maybe time for our intrepid moderators to conduct a poll?

Personally, I'm all for a late afternoon/early evening and/or a weekend
morning somewhere central like Manuka or Kingston that has good
availability of buses and plenty of venues to choose from.

Melanie2474

Yes the Belgian Beer place in Jardine St opposite Green Square.  I
haven't been there, always think it looks nice.

Would be great to catch up before you head for Charleston Pete.

Lyn.

--- In bc_canberra@..., Skyring <Skyring@...> wrote:
>
> Yess, welcome to Canberra. Plenty of good bookshops. Book Lore in
> Lyneham is an excellent used bookshop, and Paperchain in Manuka the
> pick of the independents. Some good used bookshops in Fyshwick, but
> beware of the academic remainders warehouse in Fyshwick. That's a good
> place to get sucked into for a couple of hours - it's kind of a black
> hole vortex in there where time and space have no meaning - and if you
> can find your way out you've got a trolley load of books you simply
> had to have. Steer clear of this one, it's dangerous. it's in Kembla
> Street.
>
> Lifeline Spring Bookfair is coming up. That's a weekend starting on
> Friday. Another huge shed full of books and at the end they sell you a
> bag full of what's left for ten dollars a pop.
>
> Happy to attend a BC get together. We've been kind of slack. I'm off
> to the Charleston BC thing in mid October, so sometime before then
> would be nice. I can take slender volumes with me to pass on.
>
> That's the Belgian Beer Cafe in Kingston?
>
> Peter (Skyring)
>
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:35 AM, llyon_2000 <llyon_2000@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Chriss,
> >
> > Everyone seems to have gone a bit quiet. I hope we can get together
> > sometime soon.
> >
> > I was wondering about Little Brussels in Kingston.
> >
> > Anyone?
> >
> > --- In bc_canberra@..., "Chriss" <elddau1@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello everyone. I was really delighted to see that Canberra has its
> > own
> >> BC group. I'm 'out of town' so things can get a bit isolated - no
> > book
> >> clubs here (yet!!...) although we are spoiled for book shops. I'm
> >> looking forward to meeting you all at a meeting some time. Anything
> >> decided on the new location? chriss
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Peter in Canberra
>

Yess, welcome to Canberra. Plenty of good bookshops. Book Lore in
Lyneham is an excellent used bookshop, and Paperchain in Manuka the
pick of the independents. Some good used bookshops in Fyshwick, but
beware of the academic remainders warehouse in Fyshwick. That's a good
place to get sucked into for a couple of hours - it's kind of a black
hole vortex in there where time and space have no meaning - and if you
can find your way out you've got a trolley load of books you simply
had to have. Steer clear of this one, it's dangerous. it's in Kembla
Street.

Lifeline Spring Bookfair is coming up. That's a weekend starting on
Friday. Another huge shed full of books and at the end they sell you a
bag full of what's left for ten dollars a pop.

Happy to attend a BC get together. We've been kind of slack. I'm off
to the Charleston BC thing in mid October, so sometime before then
would be nice. I can take slender volumes with me to pass on.

That's the Belgian Beer Cafe in Kingston?

Peter (Skyring)

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:35 AM, llyon_2000 <llyon_2000@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Chriss,
>
> Everyone seems to have gone a bit quiet. I hope we can get together
> sometime soon.
>
> I was wondering about Little Brussels in Kingston.
>
> Anyone?
>
> --- In bc_canberra@..., "Chriss" <elddau1@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone. I was really delighted to see that Canberra has its
> own
>> BC group. I'm 'out of town' so things can get a bit isolated - no
> book
>> clubs here (yet!!...) although we are spoiled for book shops. I'm
>> looking forward to meeting you all at a meeting some time. Anything
>> decided on the new location? chriss
>>
>
>



--
Peter in Canberra

Hi Chriss,

Everyone seems to have gone a bit quiet.  I hope we can get together
sometime soon.

I was wondering about Little Brussels in Kingston.

Anyone?







--- In bc_canberra@..., "Chriss" <elddau1@...> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone. I was really delighted to see that Canberra has its
own
> BC group. I'm 'out of town' so things can get a bit isolated - no
book
> clubs here (yet!!...) although we are spoiled for book shops. I'm
> looking forward to meeting you all at a meeting some time. Anything
> decided on the new location? chriss
>

Hello everyone. I was really delighted to see that Canberra has its own
BC group. I'm 'out of town' so things can get a bit isolated - no book
clubs here (yet!!...) although we are spoiled for book shops. I'm
looking forward to meeting you all at a meeting some time. Anything
decided on the new location? chriss

Starbucks is already closed.  There were not many, if
any books there on the last day.

The only opinion I have about a venue is that it is
central, easily got to by bus and open at least some
evenings.

I'm not up to negotiating OBCZs at the moment but will
support any new ones if I can.

--- Melanie <melanie_2474@...> wrote:

> Has anyone been into Starbucks to see if our books
> are still there?
> And do we know the closure date?
>
> I have bellydance in town on Wednesday night and
> would be happy to poke
> around if no one has been in recently.  I'd hate our
> books to get
> thrown away in the pack up - I'll see what I can
> rescue for
> redistribution :)
>
> Re alternatives, where is Cafe Essen?  It rings a
> bell but I can't
> recall the venue.
>
> Artoven in Manuka is a good choice for me, though
> we'd need to pick a
> quiet time as indoors is not very big and we do have
> a tendency to
> spread out :)  Pete, do you have a contact that you
> could speak to
> about using this venue?
>
> How do people feel about a more 'grown up' venue -
> Filthy McFadden's in
> Green Square in Kingston is a cosy, central venue
> and they have board
> games etc available so they're not averse to
> encouraging people to kick
> back and relax.  They also have an area with couches
> that is quite
> comfy.  I'm sure they'd be happy to have us hang out
> early in the week
> when things aren't as busy (eg our usual Monday) - I
> don't mind
> approaching them about being a BCOZ if people are
> interested in this
> idea.
>
> Mel
>
>
> --- In bc_canberra@..., Skyring
> <Skyring@...> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Skyring
> <skyring@...> wrote:
> > > Artoven in Manuka might be good. Cafe Essen
> already has a bookshelf.
> > >
> > > Pete
> >
> > Now that I think on it, Cafe Essen also has
> freebie wifi.
> >
> > --
> > Peter in Canberra
> >
>
>
>


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Has anyone been into Starbucks to see if our books are still there?
And do we know the closure date?

I have bellydance in town on Wednesday night and would be happy to poke
around if no one has been in recently.  I'd hate our books to get
thrown away in the pack up - I'll see what I can rescue for
redistribution :)

Re alternatives, where is Cafe Essen?  It rings a bell but I can't
recall the venue.

Artoven in Manuka is a good choice for me, though we'd need to pick a
quiet time as indoors is not very big and we do have a tendency to
spread out :)  Pete, do you have a contact that you could speak to
about using this venue?

How do people feel about a more 'grown up' venue - Filthy McFadden's in
Green Square in Kingston is a cosy, central venue and they have board
games etc available so they're not averse to encouraging people to kick
back and relax.  They also have an area with couches that is quite
comfy.  I'm sure they'd be happy to have us hang out early in the week
when things aren't as busy (eg our usual Monday) - I don't mind
approaching them about being a BCOZ if people are interested in this
idea.

Mel


--- In bc_canberra@..., Skyring <Skyring@...> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Skyring <skyring@...> wrote:
> > Artoven in Manuka might be good. Cafe Essen already has a bookshelf.
> >
> > Pete
>
> Now that I think on it, Cafe Essen also has freebie wifi.
>
> --
> Peter in Canberra
>

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Skyring <skyring@...> wrote:
> Artoven in Manuka might be good. Cafe Essen already has a bookshelf.
>
> Pete

Now that I think on it, Cafe Essen also has freebie wifi.

--
Peter in Canberra

Artoven in Manuka might be good. Cafe Essen already has a bookshelf.

Pete

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 1:34 PM, llyon_2000 <llyon_2000@...> wrote:
> Hi Melanie,
>
> Very sad about Starbucks. I wonder what happened to the books, if
> there were still some there?
>
> I don't have any suggestions for a venue, but any weeknight except
> Wednesday or Thursday would be good for me.
>
> Lyn.
>
> --- In bc_canberra@..., "Melanie" <melanie_2474@...> wrote:
>>
>> I guess we need to start thinking about a new location... Any
>> suggestions?
>>
>> http://www.starbucks.com/australia/closures.pdf
>>
>> Perhaps it would be a good time to run another poll on when to have
>> our meetings too.
>>
>> Melanie
>>
>> --- In bc_canberra@..., Unravelled <peggysmum@> wrote:
>> >
>> > Representation has already been made - no answer yet,
>> > though.
>> >
>> > Antoinette
>> > --- markschipp <markschipp@> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I was in Civic Starbucks this week dropping off some
>> > > books and the
>> > > bookshelf was gone! Replaced with a narrow wire rack
>> > > which was doing
>> > > the books no good at all.
>>
>
>



--
Peter in Canberra

Hi Melanie,

Very sad about Starbucks.  I wonder what happened to the books, if
there were still some there?

I don't have any suggestions for a venue, but any weeknight except
Wednesday or Thursday would be good for me.

Lyn.


--- In bc_canberra@..., "Melanie" <melanie_2474@...> wrote:
>
> I guess we need to start thinking about a new location... Any
> suggestions?
>
> http://www.starbucks.com/australia/closures.pdf
>
> Perhaps it would be a good time to run another poll on when to have
> our meetings too.
>
> Melanie
>
> --- In bc_canberra@..., Unravelled <peggysmum@> wrote:
> >
> > Representation has already been made - no answer yet,
> > though.
> >
> > Antoinette
> > --- markschipp <markschipp@> wrote:
> >
> > > I was in Civic Starbucks this week dropping off some
> > > books and the
> > > bookshelf was gone! Replaced with a narrow wire rack
> > > which was doing
> > > the books no good at all.
>

I guess we need to start thinking about a new location... Any
suggestions?

http://www.starbucks.com/australia/closures.pdf

Perhaps it would be a good time to run another poll on when to have
our meetings too.

Melanie

--- In bc_canberra@..., Unravelled <peggysmum@...> wrote:
>
> Representation has already been made - no answer yet,
> though.
>
> Antoinette
> --- markschipp <markschipp@...> wrote:
>
> > I was in Civic Starbucks this week dropping off some
> > books and the
> > bookshelf was gone! Replaced with a narrow wire rack
> > which was doing
> > the books no good at all.

Representation has already been made - no answer yet,
though.

Antoinette
--- markschipp <markschipp@...> wrote:

> I was in Civic Starbucks this week dropping off some
> books and the
> bookshelf was gone! Replaced with a narrow wire rack
> which was doing
> the books no good at all.
> Hope the good people at Starbucks can be prevailed
> upon to replace the
> bookshelf, or at least put in place a good sized
> cane basket as they
> have elsewhere in the store for merchandise and
> coffee grounds.
>
>


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I was in Civic Starbucks this week dropping off some books and the
bookshelf was gone! Replaced with a narrow wire rack which was doing
the books no good at all.
Hope the good people at Starbucks can be prevailed upon to replace the
bookshelf, or at least put in place a good sized cane basket as they
have elsewhere in the store for merchandise and coffee grounds.

Oh Pete, I'm jealous toooo!  Say hello to all over there from us -
specially the ones I met in Shrewsbury.

Wow, that sounds wonderful. Am insanely jealous. Have a great time!!

Life is indeed grand!  Have a lovely and safe journey, Pete.

:)

I'm off travelling again in a few days time. Much as I love
taxidriving - and with my new iPod Touch perched above the dashboard
playing music videos, I'm rapidly becoming legendary as the ABBA
Cabbie - driving twelve hours a night, five nights a week isn't the
most restful of occupations.

However, part of the reason I chose cabbing as a job is that I can take
time off whenever I want, and I'm taking two months off to take Kerri
travelling, finishing off at the London BC convention in April.

Off to Hong Kong on Saturday, four nights there before we board our
cruise ship (P&O Aurora) to Southampton via the Suez. Then we travel
around France and England, essentially retracing my steps of 2006, this
time more leisurely with wife.

And then I get home and work like a dog for a year to pay off the
plastic.

Ain't life grand?