Not going on the Jenolan Caves ride on Sunday? Looking for a shorter
ride? Well why not join Girls Ride Out (GRO) on their 'Hawaii Five-
grO' ride to the Beachcomber Hotel at Toukley (via Mt White).

Pull out your fave Hawaiian Classic and come along to raise some
money for Princess Edith of Kings Cross Bikers who was paralysed in
a bike accident recently. Funds will go to her young family to
assist in their time of need.

Cost: 5 bucks if you wear a Hawaiian shirt or 10 bucks if you don't!
Time: 9am for 9.30am departure at the Mobil at Berowra
Who: anyone!! L and P platers ESPECIALLY welcome

We will be stopping at Mt White for some fun and games...think
Bikers and Hula Hoops! There will be competitions for: Best Hawaiian
Name and Best Hawaiian T-Shirt and there will also be a raffle.

Please email me back if you are coming to give me an idea of numbers
so we can 'bags' a good possie at the hotel for lunch.

Aloha!
Alison Pratt
Girls Ride Out

Fleur,
Try uglyfisheyewear.com or ring 1300 369 574
Called Riderz model No. 03281 $49.95 and worth every cent.
Peter.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Fleur Doidge
   To: bikers_anon@...
   Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 1:11 PM
   Subject: [bikers_anon] holiday in cambodia



   Hey guys,

   Perhaps a question for other RGP contact lens-wearing bikers...

   I am off to Cambodia in Feb and am certain the trip will involve
   lots of motorcycle riding without, erm, 'head protection'.

   As the place is fcuking dusty and my only un-legally blind option
   will be my contacts, can somebody please recommend a stonking good
   goggles/sunnies brand for keeping dust out of the eyes?

   And/or likely price.

   Cheers,
   Fleur





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Living close to and spending alot off time up the Old Road I have to agree that
CARS or BIKES overtaking on blind corners is definately not the go and a recipe
for a disaster. If they can't keep on their side of the road then keep off the
road........
Just my two cents worth ; )

"ken carn (carnsy)" <carn955@...> wrote:

I certainly do take your point, however, this girl rides well (both in
traffic and on the open road), a VTR 1000 and has over 20,000
kms incident free. Yesterday, she was taking it easy and jsut
haviing fun - it was a windy stretch of road and they wanted to get
around and get on with it and DID push the point that she may
have been holding them up (that happens - it has happened to
me, but I do not harrass the other rider/driver). The point where I
really reacted was overtaing on a left hand bend over double
lines when there had been a constant stream of bikes coming
up the hill. I was cracking a decent pace and they wanted to
maintain a convey (1 person in each car) - hence stopping at the
bottom of the hill to re-group. next exception I took was the
reference to bike riders getting in their way. Which I took to mean
that while they wanted to 'cut' corners there were too many bikes
on the road to safely do that! No I am not going to the police
(apart from not having rego numbers) as i myself like to have a
bit fun on that road and would have been breaking the law myself
in keeping up with them! I do not, however, harrass/terrorise
other road users into getting out of the way, endanger other lives
by crossing the centre of the road or just be a 'pig headed, show
off dipstick' with 'my mates' .

--- In bikers_anon@..., "Allan"
<reaperzx10r@y...> wrote:
>
> Ken, I have to agree with Sam. Whilst I commend your instinct
to
> protect your girlfriend, it sounds like the guys in the cars where
> just having fun on the Old road, just like we do. If your girl was
> shaken up by tailgating how does she ride in traffic?
> Really mate live and let live.
> Al ZX10
> --- In bikers_anon@..., "Sam H"
<no-spam@h...> wrote:
> >
> > Jeez, I can see this opening a can of worms. Obviously cars
> > overtaking bikes, or engaging in intimidation tactics, is
> > outrageously stupid. But I am sure grandma jones with
failing
> sight
> > and hearing, out for a leisurely drive up the putty road would
be
> > close to heart failure when a legion of 110db 1000cc bikes
blow
> the
> > doors off her 120Y at 250km/h.
> > Ken, not whinging at all and justified, in my opinion, in your
> > actions and for raising the topic. But let's not forget that not
> many
> > of us can claim to be innocent angels on the roads we share.
> >
> >
> > --- In bikers_anon@..., "ken carn (carnsy)"
> > <carn955@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > bugger me with a fish fork, I really do have to get this off my
> > > chest, what the hell is it with some of these 'puss box'
> drivers.
> > My
> > > girlfriend and I set of for a ride up the 'Old road' to The
> > Entrance
> > > for lunch and just past 'Pie In the Sky', I see in my mirror
> that
> > she
> > > is getting 'terrorised' by a black WRX that started tailgating
> her,
> > > he gets around, I move over and let him get by me and then
give
> > > chase (stupid, I know). Then comes the 'Skyline', so I let it
go
> > and
> > > then up comes a black Suzuki that goes and passes me
over the
> > > double lines on one of those corners going down towards
> > > Brooklyn (there were a lot of bikes coming up the hill and it
> was
> > > pure luck that he did not take any out in that instance). I
> chased
> > > him to the bridge where they pulled over and proceeded to
'have
> > > a quiet word' with the Suzuki driver telling him that what he
> had
> > > done had seriously jeopardised the lives of bike riders.
Well,
> Mr
> > > 'WRX driver' decides to take offense at this and informs me
that
> > > bike riders are a hazard and he has 'lots' of close calls with
> > > them.
> > >  At this stage there were a couple of bikes (including my
> > > girlfriend) starting to slow down to join in, so the
> 3 'intrepid'
> > and
> > > 'lonely' travellers jumped in their respective cars and 'did
the
> > > bunk'.
> > > My girlfriend was visibly shaken and traumatised and
thought
> > > that the WRX and the Suzuki were both going to hit her -
they
> > > were that close! I talked her into proceeding up the coast
only
> to
> > > have them do the same thing on the way back! If I see any
of
> > > those cars again, it will be a boot in the door! That's my
whine!





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I don't think anyone can condone 'road rage', but I think there is a
line in the sand that can be crossed and sometimes we feel like we
have to react. In the heat of the moment we have to decide to (a)
ignore the clown or (b) reach for the 12 gauge.
Ken, while your girlfriend might have been shaken up by those idiots,
just imagine if she had to watch as they guys pulled out guns and
ended the argument for you. These days, you just don't know.

SH

--- In bikers_anon@..., "ken carn (carnsy)"
<carn955@y...> wrote:
>
> I certainly do take your point, however, this girl rides well (both in
> traffic and on the open road), a VTR 1000 and has over 20,000
> kms incident free. Yesterday, she was taking it easy and jsut
> haviing fun - it was a windy stretch of road and they wanted to get
> around and get on with it and DID push the point that she may
> have been holding them up (that happens - it has happened to
> me, but I do not harrass the other rider/driver). The point where I
> really reacted was overtaing on a left hand bend over double
> lines when there had been a constant stream of bikes coming
> up the hill. I was cracking a decent pace and they wanted to
> maintain a convey (1 person in each car) - hence stopping at the
> bottom of the hill to re-group. next exception I took was the
> reference to bike riders getting in their way. Which I took to mean
> that while they wanted to 'cut' corners there were too many bikes
> on the road to safely do that! No I am not going to the police
> (apart from not having rego numbers) as i myself like to have a
> bit fun on that road and would have been breaking the law myself
> in keeping up with them! I do not, however, harrass/terrorise
> other road users into getting out of the way, endanger other lives
> by crossing the centre of the road or just be a 'pig headed, show
> off dipstick' with 'my mates' .
>
> --- In bikers_anon@..., "Allan"
> <reaperzx10r@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Ken, I have to agree with Sam. Whilst I commend your instinct
> to
> > protect your girlfriend, it sounds like the guys in the cars where
> > just having fun on the Old road, just like we do. If your girl was
> > shaken up by tailgating how does she ride in traffic?
> > Really mate live and let live.
> > Al ZX10
> > --- In bikers_anon@..., "Sam H"
> <no-spam@h...> wrote:

I certainly do take your point, however, this girl rides well (both in
traffic and on the open road), a VTR 1000 and has over 20,000
kms incident free. Yesterday, she was taking it easy and jsut
haviing fun - it was a windy stretch of road and they wanted to get
around and get on with it and DID push the point that she may
have been holding them up (that happens - it has happened to
me, but I do not harrass the other rider/driver). The point where I
really reacted was overtaing on a left hand bend over double
lines when there had been a constant stream of bikes coming
up the hill. I was cracking a decent pace and they wanted to
maintain a convey (1 person in each car) - hence stopping at the
bottom of the hill to re-group. next exception I took was the
reference to bike riders getting in their way. Which I took to mean
that while they wanted to 'cut' corners there were too many bikes
on the road to safely do that! No I am not going to the police
(apart from not having rego numbers) as i myself like to have a
bit fun on that road and would have been breaking the law myself
in keeping up with them! I do not, however, harrass/terrorise
other road users into getting out of the way, endanger other lives
by crossing the centre of the road or just be a 'pig headed, show
off dipstick' with 'my mates' .

--- In bikers_anon@..., "Allan"
<reaperzx10r@y...> wrote:
>
> Ken, I have to agree with Sam. Whilst I commend your instinct
to
> protect your girlfriend, it sounds like the guys in the cars where
> just having fun on the Old road, just like we do. If your girl was
> shaken up by tailgating how does she ride in traffic?
> Really mate live and let live.
> Al ZX10
> --- In bikers_anon@..., "Sam H"
<no-spam@h...> wrote:
> >
> > Jeez, I can see this opening a can of worms. Obviously cars
> > overtaking bikes, or engaging in intimidation tactics, is
> > outrageously stupid. But I am sure grandma jones with
failing
> sight
> > and hearing, out for a leisurely drive up the putty road would
be
> > close to heart failure when a legion of 110db 1000cc bikes
blow
> the
> > doors off her 120Y at 250km/h.
> > Ken, not whinging at all and justified, in my opinion, in your
> > actions and for raising the topic. But let's not forget that not
> many
> > of us can claim to be innocent angels on the roads we share.
> >
> >
> > --- In bikers_anon@..., "ken carn (carnsy)"
> > <carn955@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > bugger me with a fish fork, I really do have to get this off my
> > > chest, what the hell is it with some of these 'puss box'
> drivers.
> > My
> > > girlfriend and I set of for a ride up the 'Old road' to The
> > Entrance
> > > for lunch and just past 'Pie In the Sky', I see in my mirror
> that
> > she
> > > is getting 'terrorised' by a black WRX that started tailgating
> her,
> > > he gets around, I move over and let him get by me and then
give
> > > chase (stupid, I know). Then comes the 'Skyline', so I let it
go
> > and
> > > then up comes a black Suzuki that goes and passes me
over the
> > > double lines on one of those corners going down towards
> > > Brooklyn (there were a lot of bikes coming up the hill and it
> was
> > > pure luck that he did not take any out in that instance). I
> chased
> > > him to the bridge where they pulled over and proceeded to
'have
> > > a quiet word' with the Suzuki driver telling him that what he
> had
> > > done had seriously jeopardised the lives of bike riders.
Well,
> Mr
> > > 'WRX driver' decides to take offense at this and informs me
that
> > > bike riders are a hazard and he has 'lots' of close calls with
> > > them.
> > >  At this stage there were a couple of bikes (including my
> > > girlfriend) starting to slow down to join in, so the
> 3 'intrepid'
> > and
> > > 'lonely' travellers jumped in their respective cars and 'did
the
> > > bunk'.
> > > My girlfriend was visibly shaken and traumatised and
thought
> > > that the WRX and the Suzuki were both going to hit her -
they
> > > were that close! I talked her into proceeding up the coast
only
> to
> > > have them do the same thing on the way back! If I see any
of
> > > those cars again, it will be a boot in the door! That's my
whine!

Ken, I have to agree with Sam. Whilst I commend your instinct to
protect your girlfriend, it sounds like the guys in the cars where
just having fun on the Old road, just like we do. If your girl was
shaken up by tailgating how does she ride in traffic?
Really mate live and let live.
Al ZX10
--- In bikers_anon@..., "Sam H" <no-spam@h...> wrote:
>
> Jeez, I can see this opening a can of worms. Obviously cars
> overtaking bikes, or engaging in intimidation tactics, is
> outrageously stupid. But I am sure grandma jones with failing
sight
> and hearing, out for a leisurely drive up the putty road would be
> close to heart failure when a legion of 110db 1000cc bikes blow
the
> doors off her 120Y at 250km/h.
> Ken, not whinging at all and justified, in my opinion, in your
> actions and for raising the topic. But let's not forget that not
many
> of us can claim to be innocent angels on the roads we share.
>
>
> --- In bikers_anon@..., "ken carn (carnsy)"
> <carn955@y...> wrote:
> >
> > bugger me with a fish fork, I really do have to get this off my
> > chest, what the hell is it with some of these 'puss box'
drivers.
> My
> > girlfriend and I set of for a ride up the 'Old road' to The
> Entrance
> > for lunch and just past 'Pie In the Sky', I see in my mirror
that
> she
> > is getting 'terrorised' by a black WRX that started tailgating
her,
> > he gets around, I move over and let him get by me and then give
> > chase (stupid, I know). Then comes the 'Skyline', so I let it go
> and
> > then up comes a black Suzuki that goes and passes me over the
> > double lines on one of those corners going down towards
> > Brooklyn (there were a lot of bikes coming up the hill and it
was
> > pure luck that he did not take any out in that instance). I
chased
> > him to the bridge where they pulled over and proceeded to 'have
> > a quiet word' with the Suzuki driver telling him that what he
had
> > done had seriously jeopardised the lives of bike riders. Well,
Mr
> > 'WRX driver' decides to take offense at this and informs me that
> > bike riders are a hazard and he has 'lots' of close calls with
> > them.
> >  At this stage there were a couple of bikes (including my
> > girlfriend) starting to slow down to join in, so the
3 'intrepid'
> and
> > 'lonely' travellers jumped in their respective cars and 'did the
> > bunk'.
> > My girlfriend was visibly shaken and traumatised and thought
> > that the WRX and the Suzuki were both going to hit her - they
> > were that close! I talked her into proceeding up the coast only
to
> > have them do the same thing on the way back! If I see any of
> > those cars again, it will be a boot in the door! That's my whine!

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/11/01/1099262766182.html

Wonder if its the same guy....

Snow goggles, otherwise Id have to recomend getting some prescription glasses
made up(sunnies maybee).  Or horror of horrors, take a cheap lid with ya. ;-)
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Fleur Doidge
   To: bikers_anon@...
   Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 1:11 PM
   Subject: [bikers_anon] holiday in cambodia



   Hey guys,

   Perhaps a question for other RGP contact lens-wearing bikers...

   I am off to Cambodia in Feb and am certain the trip will involve
   lots of motorcycle riding without, erm, 'head protection'.

   As the place is fcuking dusty and my only un-legally blind option
   will be my contacts, can somebody please recommend a stonking good
   goggles/sunnies brand for keeping dust out of the eyes?

   And/or likely price.

   Cheers,
   Fleur





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Hey guys,

Perhaps a question for other RGP contact lens-wearing bikers...

I am off to Cambodia in Feb and am certain the trip will involve
lots of motorcycle riding without, erm, 'head protection'.

As the place is fcuking dusty and my only un-legally blind option
will be my contacts, can somebody please recommend a stonking good
goggles/sunnies brand for keeping dust out of the eyes?

And/or likely price.

Cheers,
Fleur

Ken,


You can report this behaviour to the police who may (and only may)
decide to make an issue. Their attitude will depend on yours (ie.
are you willing to proceed further or are there witnesses prepared
to support you).

Although some will say that the police will not take action it may
just depend on where you report the incident and if other reports
have been received.

Either way, it is unfortunate that incidents of this nature occur
(and as Sam points out it occurs in the reverse also) but there is
no reason why someone must accept it.

Next time, do not try to kick their doors in but just lead them to
the local cop shop.


Garry

--- In bikers_anon@..., "ken carn (carnsy)"
<carn955@y...> wrote:
>
> bugger me with a fish fork, I really do have to get this off my
> chest, what the hell is it with some of these 'puss box' drivers.
My
> girlfriend and I set of for a ride up the 'Old road' to The
Entrance
> for lunch and just past 'Pie In the Sky', I see in my mirror that
she
> is getting 'terrorised' by a black WRX that started tailgating
her,
> he gets around, I move over and let him get by me and then give
> chase (stupid, I know). Then comes the 'Skyline', so I let it go
and
> then up comes a black Suzuki that goes and passes me over the
> double lines on one of those corners going down towards
> Brooklyn (there were a lot of bikes coming up the hill and it was
> pure luck that he did not take any out in that instance). I chased
> him to the bridge where they pulled over and proceeded to 'have
> a quiet word' with the Suzuki driver telling him that what he had
> done had seriously jeopardised the lives of bike riders. Well, Mr
> 'WRX driver' decides to take offense at this and informs me that
> bike riders are a hazard and he has 'lots' of close calls with
> them.
>  At this stage there were a couple of bikes (including my
> girlfriend) starting to slow down to join in, so the 3 'intrepid'
and
> 'lonely' travellers jumped in their respective cars and 'did the
> bunk'.
> My girlfriend was visibly shaken and traumatised and thought
> that the WRX and the Suzuki were both going to hit her - they
> were that close! I talked her into proceeding up the coast only to
> have them do the same thing on the way back! If I see any of
> those cars again, it will be a boot in the door! That's my whine!

Thanks for the link alxxr,

The numerous Ku-ring-gai Highway Patrols up at Mt White are very busy, busy
fining motorcyclists for "unlabeled exhaust systems". Let's face it until
our police cowboys get spanked for being negligent we will always have
police engaged in "the fun alternative" chasing bikes on the desolate Old
Pacific Hwy.

(also sent to the SMH) "Why not send in your own views to the press".

ChR1sT

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/10/29/1099028211946.html
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> Why not at least  report the incident to police. Dangerous driving
> tends to attract attention..

nah, I am sorry, it actually doesn't. Unless someone is taken away in an
ambulance, police will probably
not get involved and will not even take a report.

Sheez, I was on the receiving end of a bike acident as a result of a fail to
give way and after three visits,
to three different police stations, I was turned away each time. Not even
anything from the Police
Assistance line.

(BTW: I am suing the other driver, will know more by late November. Its actually
quite fun sending a
sherrif around to his work to serve him - damn wish i was there).

I have only once before been driven to the point of 'doing something more', this
was before 'road rage'
became a buzz word and later illegal. I had a punk p-plater driving like a
nutter cutting off many cars,
inluding me. Ended up that he was at the front of a line of traffic opposite to
the direction I was travelling,
about 30mins later. So, i got out of my car, walked upto him, he was a kid, and
so was I. I dont really
know what I was going to do, he smelt of beer and he had a bit of a attitude. I
reached into his car, pulled
out the keys and tossed them into the nearest drain - I coulnt beleive I made
that 3-point shot !

As I expected, i later got a call from the police, I was in a hire car and
probably wouldnt have been so
brave if I had a clear identity, but I explained it to the copper and that was
the last I heard of it. I reckon
the coppa had a word with him as well, he mumbled something like "ah, I thought
it was more like that".

Anyways, point is, I dont think Police can or will do much about these things
today. A shame really. And
the other point is, that the same incident today would probably land me in a
whole heap of poopoo, and
proably more than the innocent crazy manac drunk driver.

James.
Shaking his head at what is happening to society.


--
James Murray
0411-227-493

Why not at least  report the incident to police. Dangerous driving
tends to attract attention..

And if an accident results later... and the report is on file... as-
kicking should follow.


--- In bikers_anon@..., "Sam H" <no-spam@h...> wrote:
>
> Jeez, I can see this opening a can of worms. Obviously cars
> overtaking bikes, or engaging in intimidation tactics, is
> outrageously stupid. But I am sure grandma jones with failing sight
> and hearing, out for a leisurely drive up the putty road would be
> close to heart failure when a legion of 110db 1000cc bikes blow the
> doors off her 120Y at 250km/h.
> Ken, not whinging at all and justified, in my opinion, in your
> actions and for raising the topic. But let's not forget that not
many
> of us can claim to be innocent angels on the roads we share.
>
>
> --- In bikers_anon@..., "ken carn (carnsy)"
> <carn955@y...> wrote:
> >
> > bugger me with a fish fork, I really do have to get this off my
> > chest, what the hell is it with some of these 'puss box' drivers.
> My
> > girlfriend and I set of for a ride up the 'Old road' to The
> Entrance
> > for lunch and just past 'Pie In the Sky', I see in my mirror that
> she
> > is getting 'terrorised' by a black WRX that started tailgating
her,
> > he gets around, I move over and let him get by me and then give
> > chase (stupid, I know). Then comes the 'Skyline', so I let it go
> and
> > then up comes a black Suzuki that goes and passes me over the
> > double lines on one of those corners going down towards
> > Brooklyn (there were a lot of bikes coming up the hill and it was
> > pure luck that he did not take any out in that instance). I
chased
> > him to the bridge where they pulled over and proceeded to 'have
> > a quiet word' with the Suzuki driver telling him that what he had
> > done had seriously jeopardised the lives of bike riders. Well, Mr
> > 'WRX driver' decides to take offense at this and informs me that
> > bike riders are a hazard and he has 'lots' of close calls with
> > them.
> >  At this stage there were a couple of bikes (including my
> > girlfriend) starting to slow down to join in, so the 3 'intrepid'
> and
> > 'lonely' travellers jumped in their respective cars and 'did the
> > bunk'.
> > My girlfriend was visibly shaken and traumatised and thought
> > that the WRX and the Suzuki were both going to hit her - they
> > were that close! I talked her into proceeding up the coast only
to
> > have them do the same thing on the way back! If I see any of
> > those cars again, it will be a boot in the door! That's my whine!

And the truck driver had prior CONVICTION for using false plates. So
why didnt Constable Plod check the vehicle details when he was booked
for speeding in September?

I smell some interesting investigative journalism coming on.

Can see the 4 Corners opener..... hundreds of recreational
motorcyclists pulled over on the side of the road at Berowra to have
their exhausts tested.

Bikes booked for not displaying "Unleaded Fuel Only" stickers...

all major safety issues, absolute menace to the travelling public
these bikes...



--- In bikers_anon@..., "a2r" <addicted2risk@y...>
wrote:
>
> Im sure it was not just coincidental that i saw a cop pulling over
a
> 4x4 with barely readable rego plates in Brighton on sunday!
>
> Sean
>
> --- In bikers_anon@..., "alxxr" <alx_yahoo@a...>
wrote:
> >
> > Police nabbed this truck (the infamous Mooney truck) for speeding
> > weeks ago but failed to do any routine checking ...it had false
> > numberplates, was unregistered , and was "known" to authorities
for
> > flouting registration, insurance, and truck regulations.
> >
> > Obviously more interested in writing out the speeding ticket and
> > being on their way than enforcing road safety.
> >
> > http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/10/29/1099028211946.html
> >
> > So, nabbing noisy bikes  up the Old Road is of far more
importance
> to
> > state policy than reigning in the rampant abuses of the trucking
> > industry.
> >
> > Who hasn;t travelled down the Hume Highway late or Pacific/New
> > England higwhays and been overtaken/hassled by trucks exceeding
> > 140kph in the dead of night.
> >
> > Let there be lots of dirty washing aired in RTA and police for
the
> > entirely avoidable Mooney disaster. This truck was a known menace
> and
> > should not have been on the road.

Bill,
I used a magnetic tank bag on my CBR600 for many trips away. When
buying it i was a little concerned that it would interfer with my
riding, however i found that even when fully extended (so high that i
couldnt see my dash) it didnt get in the way.

Unforetuneately when i bought my GSXR i found that i lean too far
forward on the bike to fit a tankbag. So now I have two tail bags,
one is very small but very useful with a seat harness for
attachement. The other is much larger and I used it for the first
time to ride to phillip island and back.

The larger one uses straps and pointless plastic clips to attached to
the bikes luggage points. I found the straps frequently loosened and
the bag had a tendency to rotate on the seat even when the straps
were tight. Eventually while crossing corrugations at about 80-100kph
on a dirt road the stupid plastic clips on the straps broke and i was
very lucky not to have a serious accident when the bag came off and
one of the straps wrapped around the rear axle.

BTW Oxford bags were forced to put warnings on one of their tail bags
in the UK after more than one rider was killed or seriously injured
due to a tailbag coming off and going into the rear wheel!

If you intend to use a tail bag be very careful about the attachement
system. I would avoid any system with plastic clips and/or straps
lacking any stretch (as this causes them to loosen).

I believe a tank bag is a much better solution, provided that the bag
doesnt interfere with your riding.

In general your bikes suspension will perform better with weight
placed as close as possible to the bikes centre of mass. A tank bag
is the best solution to doing this. The ever popular rack puts the
weight in the worse place possible.

Ive got a old (a bit worn from a crash on the CBR600 with a car)
magnetic tank bag that you can borrow for the Snowy (or before) if
you wish to try one out.

Sean

--- In bikers_anon@..., "Firestormin' Bill"
<thewildebeast41@h...> wrote:
> Can anyone please advise me on what I should buy to increase the
carrying
> capacity on the Firestorm? I have a ventura rack and pack, but a
trial
> packing run for the snowy ride shows I'm well short of carrying
capacity.
> The guys at work reckon I should ditch the 5 pairs of undies and
just turn
> one pair inside out then back to front !!
> Has anyone had any experience with magnetic tankbags - will they
fit on that
> tank shape? Or would I be better off with an RJAYS spoiler seat bag
type
> thingo, and will it fit between my big bum and the rack?
> Any help would be appreciated.
> Cheers
> Bill

Jeez, I can see this opening a can of worms. Obviously cars
overtaking bikes, or engaging in intimidation tactics, is
outrageously stupid. But I am sure grandma jones with failing sight
and hearing, out for a leisurely drive up the putty road would be
close to heart failure when a legion of 110db 1000cc bikes blow the
doors off her 120Y at 250km/h.
Ken, not whinging at all and justified, in my opinion, in your
actions and for raising the topic. But let's not forget that not many
of us can claim to be innocent angels on the roads we share.


--- In bikers_anon@..., "ken carn (carnsy)"
<carn955@y...> wrote:
>
> bugger me with a fish fork, I really do have to get this off my
> chest, what the hell is it with some of these 'puss box' drivers.
My
> girlfriend and I set of for a ride up the 'Old road' to The
Entrance
> for lunch and just past 'Pie In the Sky', I see in my mirror that
she
> is getting 'terrorised' by a black WRX that started tailgating her,
> he gets around, I move over and let him get by me and then give
> chase (stupid, I know). Then comes the 'Skyline', so I let it go
and
> then up comes a black Suzuki that goes and passes me over the
> double lines on one of those corners going down towards
> Brooklyn (there were a lot of bikes coming up the hill and it was
> pure luck that he did not take any out in that instance). I chased
> him to the bridge where they pulled over and proceeded to 'have
> a quiet word' with the Suzuki driver telling him that what he had
> done had seriously jeopardised the lives of bike riders. Well, Mr
> 'WRX driver' decides to take offense at this and informs me that
> bike riders are a hazard and he has 'lots' of close calls with
> them.
>  At this stage there were a couple of bikes (including my
> girlfriend) starting to slow down to join in, so the 3 'intrepid'
and
> 'lonely' travellers jumped in their respective cars and 'did the
> bunk'.
> My girlfriend was visibly shaken and traumatised and thought
> that the WRX and the Suzuki were both going to hit her - they
> were that close! I talked her into proceeding up the coast only to
> have them do the same thing on the way back! If I see any of
> those cars again, it will be a boot in the door! That's my whine!

Im sure it was not just coincidental that i saw a cop pulling over a
4x4 with barely readable rego plates in Brighton on sunday!

Sean

--- In bikers_anon@..., "alxxr" <alx_yahoo@a...> wrote:
>
> Police nabbed this truck (the infamous Mooney truck) for speeding
> weeks ago but failed to do any routine checking ...it had false
> numberplates, was unregistered , and was "known" to authorities for
> flouting registration, insurance, and truck regulations.
>
> Obviously more interested in writing out the speeding ticket and
> being on their way than enforcing road safety.
>
> http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/10/29/1099028211946.html
>
> So, nabbing noisy bikes  up the Old Road is of far more importance
to
> state policy than reigning in the rampant abuses of the trucking
> industry.
>
> Who hasn;t travelled down the Hume Highway late or Pacific/New
> England higwhays and been overtaken/hassled by trucks exceeding
> 140kph in the dead of night.
>
> Let there be lots of dirty washing aired in RTA and police for the
> entirely avoidable Mooney disaster. This truck was a known menace
and
> should not have been on the road.

To those who turned up for yesterdays ride I must apologise for my
self and the BA committee. I should have given a pre-ride briefing,
marked the stop at Mt White (sorry Holly), been a bit more animated
and friendly, and organised for more of a ride after getting to Mt
White. In my defense I had had very little sleep the night before,
resulting in my subdued attitude etc and once we got to Mt White it
was clear to me that I shouldnt ride any further than necessary.
Unforetuneately other members of the committee were also in recovery
mode or had other things to do.

Also we were unaware until the day before that the MotoGP telcast did
not begin until 9pm.

Attempts will be made to ensure these situations do not occur again.

Sorry,

Sean
BA President

bugger me with a fish fork, I really do have to get this off my
chest, what the hell is it with some of these 'puss box' drivers. My
girlfriend and I set of for a ride up the 'Old road' to The Entrance
for lunch and just past 'Pie In the Sky', I see in my mirror that she
is getting 'terrorised' by a black WRX that started tailgating her,
he gets around, I move over and let him get by me and then give
chase (stupid, I know). Then comes the 'Skyline', so I let it go and
then up comes a black Suzuki that goes and passes me over the
double lines on one of those corners going down towards
Brooklyn (there were a lot of bikes coming up the hill and it was
pure luck that he did not take any out in that instance). I chased
him to the bridge where they pulled over and proceeded to 'have
a quiet word' with the Suzuki driver telling him that what he had
done had seriously jeopardised the lives of bike riders. Well, Mr
'WRX driver' decides to take offense at this and informs me that
bike riders are a hazard and he has 'lots' of close calls with
them.
  At this stage there were a couple of bikes (including my
girlfriend) starting to slow down to join in, so the 3 'intrepid' and
'lonely' travellers jumped in their respective cars and 'did the
bunk'.
My girlfriend was visibly shaken and traumatised and thought
that the WRX and the Suzuki were both going to hit her - they
were that close! I talked her into proceeding up the coast only to
have them do the same thing on the way back! If I see any of
those cars again, it will be a boot in the door! That's my whine!

What kind of pack are using on the Ventura rack? i.e. what size is it? I have
two Ventura bags that zip together but managed to do the Phillip Island trip
using one of them and a smaller seat bag, if you can zip another bag to yours
and want to borrow one of mine give me a yell.



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Date:  Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:42:08 +1100

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I have an RJays magnetic tank bag - it's brilliant. I used it last
week for 3 nights away, and packed everything but my laptop in
it...without resorting to reversing underwear thank God!

But I ride a Hornet, more "upright" seating stance than on a Firestorm
so you may have space/visibility issues with a tank bag packed to its
capacity. I have seen sports-designed saddlebags and tail packs that
look just as effective, and may be more suited to your bike. However,
if you already have a rack, the tail pack may not work, they sit just
on the rear cowl. There is a whole spread on bags, etc, in this
month's Two Wheels - may give you some ideas and options.

Have fun on the run, sooo wish I were going!

Cheers, Tash
Hornet600


On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:42:08 +1100, Firestormin' Bill
<thewildebeast41@...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone please advise me on what I should buy to increase the carrying
> capacity on the Firestorm? I have a ventura rack and pack, but a trial
> packing run for the snowy ride shows I'm well short of carrying capacity.
> The guys at work reckon I should ditch the 5 pairs of undies and just turn
> one pair inside out then back to front !!
> Has anyone had any experience with magnetic tankbags - will they fit on that
> tank shape? Or would I be better off with an RJAYS spoiler seat bag type
> thingo, and will it fit between my big bum and the rack?
> Any help would be appreciated.
> Cheers
> Bill
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email with subject "unsubscribe"
> to: bikers_anon-unsubscribe@...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>


--
Tash
0401 389 638

Can anyone please advise me on what I should buy to increase the carrying
capacity on the Firestorm? I have a ventura rack and pack, but a trial
packing run for the snowy ride shows I'm well short of carrying capacity.
The guys at work reckon I should ditch the 5 pairs of undies and just turn
one pair inside out then back to front !!
Has anyone had any experience with magnetic tankbags - will they fit on that
tank shape? Or would I be better off with an RJAYS spoiler seat bag type
thingo, and will it fit between my big bum and the rack?
Any help would be appreciated.
Cheers
Bill

I hope this was no one from here or anyone we know.

See below

**************** SNIP *************************

Three injured in six-bike pile-up
October 31, 2004

THREE motorbike riders were injured, one critically, following a six-
bike pile-up north-west of Newcastle today.

A statement from the NRMA CareFlight helicopter said crews arrived
at the accident site, beside Putty Road about 70km south of
Singleton, about 2.30pm (AEDT).

One man, believed to be aged in his mid-20s from Sydney's west,
suffered head and chest injuries and a fractured right arm.

He was given a blood transfusion and a general anaesthetic and
placed on a ventilator to control his breathing, the statement said.

He was taken to Westmead Hospital where he arrived in a critical
condition about 4pm (AEDT), the statement said.

Two other injured riders were flown to John Hunter Hospital in a
serious but stable condition.

AAP
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11244099%
255E1702,00.html


Cheers

James

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Jenolan Caves

Date: Sunday, November 7, 2004
Time: 9:00AM EST (GMT+11:00)

Over the Bells Line of Rd then down to Jenolan Caves for Lunch

Meeting at McGraths Hill Mobil at 9 am for a 9:30am depart.

Ride Rating = 4

i still have some accomodation left if anyone is interested
call me 0404463363
Danielle

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Snowy Ride

Date: Sunday, November 14, 2004
Time: All Day

Sat & Sun 13-14/11/2004

Bookings are now full for the BA orginised accommodation! You
will need to sort out your own accommodation if yo wish to go.
For details on the Snowy ride see
www.snowyride.com.au

Hi James,

I'll take a stab at it :)

At 60km/h you are travelling at 16.7 metres per second
(60/60/60*1000). A GOOD rider can react in approx 1 second, so
reaction time = 16.7m/s. For an average rider lets say 1.5 seconds
(25m/s). I am mentally thinking that a decent bike should take no
more than 2-3 seconds to slow to a stop from 60km/h, resulting in a
total distance of 58 or so metres.....

Actually, I am sure it can be done in abour 30-35m...

FYI, from the Wipe off 5 campaign by Victoria's TAC -> "In general, a
car travelling at 60 km/h will take about 45 metres to stop under
hard braking" How long does it take I don't know.

Have a look at the following places for some more info
http://www.msgroup.org/TIP034.html
http://www.sdt.com.au/STOPPINGDISTANCE.htm

Cheers,Andrew
aubeasty@...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Murray [mailto:j.m@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 28 October 2004 2:05 PM
> To: bikers_anon@...
> Subject: [bikers_anon] how long does it take to stop at 60kph?
>
> Sorry, this is for my litigation crap to get my bike fixed.
> If you are not interested, stop reading now.
>
> Can anyone help me on thisw one, I was not paying attention
> in class when this point was covered.
>
> How long does it take for a bike to stop at 60kph on bitumen?
>
> any references would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Also, against my original thought, I am told that a car can
> stop quicker than a bike - is this true, and by
>
> how much difference?
>
> Thanks, James.

Police nabbed this truck (the infamous Mooney truck) for speeding
weeks ago but failed to do any routine checking ...it had false
numberplates, was unregistered , and was "known" to authorities for
flouting registration, insurance, and truck regulations.

Obviously more interested in writing out the speeding ticket and
being on their way than enforcing road safety.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/10/29/1099028211946.html

So, nabbing noisy bikes  up the Old Road is of far more importance to
state policy than reigning in the rampant abuses of the trucking
industry.

Who hasn;t travelled down the Hume Highway late or Pacific/New
England higwhays and been overtaken/hassled by trucks exceeding
140kph in the dead of night.

Let there be lots of dirty washing aired in RTA and police for the
entirely avoidable Mooney disaster. This truck was a known menace and
should not have been on the road.

not sure if anyone else has pointed this out yet - clocks go forward
tonight for daylight savings.

cheers, tash


On 24 Oct 2004 03:02:01 -0000, bikers_anon@...
<bikers_anon@...> wrote:
>
>
> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
>
> Mt White
>
> Date: Sunday, October 31, 2004
> Time: 2:00PM EST (GMT+11:00)
>
> Take the morning off as we are not meeting until 2pm at Berowra
> Mobil (cnr Pacific Hwy & Waratah St) for a ride uo everyones
> favourite road. After Coffee at Mt White we will head to the
> Money Bar, cnr Help & Orchard St Chatswood to watch the Moto Gp.
>
> Meeting Berowra Mobil at 2pm for a 2:30 depart
>
> Fun factor =
> Ride Rating =
>
>
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0401 389 638

At last!
A reality tv show I can relate to
by motorcycle England to USA riding all the way
when do we get it?

http://www.bravotv.com/Long_Way_Round/About/

Craig Cooper
Sydney Australia
Not a good example, more like a horrible warning
http://members.optusnet.com.au/coops1958/