Hey guys,

i am going for a ride on monday to catch up with Karen in
Mittagong. Her stuning bike Stumpy is back on the road. So,
whats the plan? If somebody is interested to join in, there are to
meeting points. The first one is at 9am at the space station (
shell ) in Lane Cove for a 9.30 leave. we will make our way to
Mittagong via the M5 ( I know it will be boring , but that the
quickest way ) . At 11am i / we will meet Karen at the shell station
after the Mittagong exit ( about  2 km i guess ) on the left side.
From there it goes into the Kangoroo Valley ( maybe lunch at the
pub ). then to Berry, Kiama , Jamberoo and to  the pie shop in
Robertson. From there, i dont know. Bring your swimmers , just
in case. because there is the option to go for a nice dip in Kiama
and then back throug Wollogong .
There will be slower riders on the trip and also double the points
is still on. It will be more a social ride.
if u want, i see you there.

Andreas

Happy New Year everyone ;-)

Stay safe and have a prosperous and joyful 2005.

xox

Bia

Thanks, Hank, for the important response
(He, dear reader, points out below that the tips are myths).
Just proves again, especially to my severley (sp?)  embarrassed self
:-S  <cringe>,    that what's on the Internet is no better authority
than what's in the newspaper....

Happy New Year anyway!!!
Tom Torok.


Hank Kaczmarek wrote:

> All
>
> These were forwarded to the Corvair Talk List, and one of our
> Directors (a MD, Family Practice) said they are myths. Check Snopes or
> other Urban Legend sites for this information.
>
> No offense to Tom, I'm sure he thought that he was doing the right
> thing sending it to you all.
>
> BTW, what medical training I had as a Hospital Corpsman , USN (10
> years), can verify that a number of deep  coughs, if it does anything
> will stimulate the vagus nerve (one of the crainal nerves ) which will
> only slow the heart down more. Same nerve which causes the famous
> "commode coronaries", caused by straining too hard to complete a bowel
> movement.
>
> Back to your regular Riviera Programming.
>
> Regards
> Hank Kaczmarek
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Torok" <tom2rok@...>
> To: <clubman@yahoogroups.com>; <clubman-campfire@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:22 PM
> Subject: <Riviera-list> OT: FW: Stroke/Heart Attack tips
>
>
>>
>> I think this is particularly good advice, and so forward it in the hope
>> that it may help someone one day.
>>
>
>
>>
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>

wish i could but have to work - but hey its not so bad - i get to hang out
with bikers all day he he (rd warriors cafe, pretty good gig hey)



Cheers
Amber




From: "Peter Snape" <psnape@...>
To: bikers_anon@...
Subject: [bikers_anon] Friday ride
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:32:06 -0000


Does anyone have a ride happening tomorrow. If not, I thought I might
do Kangaroo Valley, so if you want to tag along let me know.
Cheers,
Peter.

Does anyone have a ride happening tomorrow. If not, I thought I might
do Kangaroo Valley, so if you want to tag along let me know.
Cheers,
Peter.

I was about 20 seconds behind the crash when it happened, and know a few of the
people in the car club. If anyone wants more details on the crash please contact
me offlist.


Regards

David Clarke
Credit Manager
Unit 14, 79 Williamson Road
Ingleburn    NSW    2565
Ph:  02 9618 - 7755
Fax: 02 9618 - 6622
Mob: 0413 381 449
www.icf.com.au
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Hi Guys, I went for a ride yesterday up the Old Road to Road
Warriors then out to Wollombi and back to Sydney via the Putty, it
was a good day and a nice ride but just one thing to be aware of is
about 15km before the Wollombi Pub there is a lot of loose gravel on
the road! (and NO I'm not talking about the dirt road! ) I realised
and backed off just seconds before getting into a two wheel drift,
if you stick to the car wheel tracks it was fine but any deviation
from them had the bike squirming, it lasted for maybe 1km, and I
must say I was only riding slowly as I was going with a newer
rider ... probably lucky for me! I didn't notice any signs before it
so just be careful out that way.

This might be a good time to remind you all of the Membership
Benefits page on the BA website: http://www.bikersanon.com/

The Commercial Hotel (Corner Meridian St & Commercial Lane
Walcha)will give a 10% discount on presenting your BA membership key
ring.

Call Stuart & Samantha Macaskill to arrange your accomodation on Ph:
(02) 6777 2551 Fax: (02) 6777 2555 or Web Site :
www.commercialwalcha.com.au


Cheers, Robyn
BA Social Mgr

I think this is particularly good advice, and so forward it in the hope
that it may help someone one day.

I trust Christmas was kind to you all too. Happy New Year!
Tom Torok
--------------


This has nothing to do with anyone's age, just a good idea to know for yourself
and your loved ones.

  Is It A Stroke?

This might be a lifesaver if we can remember the three questions! Is it a
Stroke? Sometimes symptoms of a stroke are difficult to identify.
Unfortunately, the lack of awareness spells disaster. The stroke victim may
suffer brain damage when people nearby fail to recognize the symptoms of a
stroke. Now doctors say any bystander can recognize a stroke by asking three
simple questions:
>
>* Ask the individual to smile
>* Ask him or her to raise both arms
>* Ask the person to speak a simple sentence
>If he or she has trouble with any of these tasks, call 000 immediately and
>describe the symptoms to the operator.
>
>After discovering that a group of non-medical volunteers could identify
>facial weakness, arm weakness and speech problems, researchers urged the
>general public to learn the three questions. They presented their
>conclusions at the American Stroke Association's annual meeting last
>February. Widespread use of this test could result in prompt diagnosis and
>treatment of the stroke and minimize brain damage.
>
>HEART ATTACK. SELF HELP:
>A cardiologist says if everyone who gets this e-mail sends it to 10 people,
>you can bet that at least one life will be saved. Read this... It could
>save your life!!
>Let's say it's 6.15 P.M. and you're driving home (alone of course), after
>an unusually hard day on the job. You're really tired, upset, and
>frustrated. Suddenly you start experiencing severe pain in your chest that
>starts to radiate out into your arm and up into your jaw. You are only
>about five miles from the hospital nearest your home. Unfortunately you
>don't know if you'll be able to make it that far. You have been trained in
>CPR, but the bloke that taught the course did not tell you how to perform
>it on yourself.
>
>HOW TO SURVIVE A HEART ATTACK WHEN ALONE:
>Since many people are alone when they suffer a heart attack, without help,
>the person whose heart is beating improperly and who begins to feel faint,
>has only about 10 seconds left before becoming unconscious. However, these
>victims can help themselves by coughing repeatedly and very vigorously. A
>deep breath should be taken before each cough, and the cough must be deep
>and prolonged, as when producing sputum from deep inside the chest. A
>breath and a cough must be repeated about every two seconds without let-up
>until help arrives, or until the heart is felt to be beating normally
>again. Deep breaths get oxygen into the lungs and coughing movements
>squeeze the heart and keep the blood circulating. The squeezing pressure on
>the heart also helps it regain normal rhythm. In this way, heart attack
>victims can get to a hospital. Tell as many people as possible about this.
>It could save their lives!!
>
>
>
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> · The number of arrests and charges laid by highway patrol
> officers is up 46 per cent with 30,398 charges in 1998 compared
> with 44,443 in 2004.

So no-one is listening, or are the Police screwing even more people
over who
may have been let off in the past? Are the speed camera locations
chosen for
safety or maximum throughput (cars & $$-wise?)

> · The road toll currently stands at 517, that's five less
> than last year.
>
> · There has been 9,900 less major crashes in 2004 with 64,452
> this year compared with 74,385 last year.

So what's wrong with this picture? 10,000 or so less MAJOR crashes yet
the
road toll is only 5 lower than last year?

There's something not right out there, and everyone's looking in the
wrong
direction.

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--- In bikers_anon@..., "Richard" <sasman@b...> wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> My friends and I are planning a Trip to Walcha (We want to see what
> all the fuss is about the oxley Highway). Can anybody recommend
some
> good (inexpensive) accomodation in the area?


Not in Walcha, but you might consider Ginger's Creek, about halfway
along the Oxley :

http://www.gingerscreek.com.au

  - H

I've stayed many times at the Top Pub in Uralla, about 30 kgs from
Walcha - very bike friendly owners, rooms from $15.00 per nite and you
can get a great breakfast - usually on a Fri / Sat night there are live
bands and the place really rocks.
Cheers - Harry / Trumpy ST.


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Hey guys,

My friends and I are planning a Trip to Walcha (We want to see what
all the fuss is about the oxley Highway). Can anybody recommend some
good (inexpensive) accomodation in the area?

Hi all,

a quick photo oportunity, a random location and a cryptic reference.

Enjoy the Christmas break.

Jolyon
ZZR600

AMCN reports a Qld study that says crash factors are speed 5%, fail
follow to road rules ~30%, driver inattention ~30%, etc.

Clearly govt obsession with speed is misplaced and more cops on the
road is the solution. But then that costs money rather than creating
revenue, so dont expect a change any time soon.

Sean

--- In bikers_anon@..., "Uidam, T (Tim)" <tu-
nospam@r...> wrote:
> Thanks for that Chris, of particular interest is:
> * Country fatalities-speed 15 per cent, alcohol 31 per cent,
fatigue 15
> per cent, restrain/belt 8 per cent.
> * Metro fatalities - alcohol 29 per cent, negligent driving 43 per
cent,
> drugs 14 per cent.
>
> Speed doesn't rate a mention as a major causal factor in metro
> fatalaties...
>
> Have a safe Christmas everyone.
> Tim.
>

Good evening all, and I hope this Christmas Eve finds you all relaxed and
looking forward to a lovely long weekend.

I just want to remind you that unfortunately, this is also a time of year when
the Red Cross needs our help, and the collection centres are open for most of
this long weekend.  I have attached below a blurb from the Red Cross with
details of when and where you can donate.

Please remember that it is one of the most precious good deeds that can be done,
at no financial cost, and very little effort.



Have a safe and happy holiday.

Regards

Sarah



"Christmas is a wonderful time for us all. The weather is good, there is time to
spend with friends and family and it is a time to share gifts.

This Christmas, Australia needs you to give the gift of life.
Blood donations around the Christmas and New Year period are critical. Many
patients in hospitals around Australia are reliant on blood donors to have a
Merry Christmas.

The Australian Red Cross Blood Service Parramatta Donor Centre will be open
Tuesday 28th December and Monday 3rd January from 8.00am till 2.00pm to help
replenish blood stock levels. The Parramatta Donor Centre is located at 4 George
Street Parramatta.

Platelets, a component of blood, have a shelf life of only 5 days. To ensure we
are able to supply platelets to those who are in need, we must continue to
collect blood over the public holidays.

Please, if you are able to donate on either of these days, call 13 14 95 for an
appointment.

Your donation will ensure many people a very Merry Christmas and live to see the
New Year.



On the day of your blood donation you must:
* have had at least 4 glasses of juice or water and a meal in the hours before
donating
* be feeling well
* weigh at least 45kg
* be aged 16-70 (16-17 year olds require parent/guardian consent on the Donor
Questionnaire)
* bring identification (preferably photo)
* not be pregnant, or have been pregnant in the last 9 months
* not be breastfeeding
* not be taking antibiotics or have been taking antibiotics in the last 5 days
* not had a tattoo in the last 12 months
* have not been in the UK between 1980 to 1996 for a total of 6 months or more

*have not donated in the last 70 days "



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I also wondered when I changed the group to a Sportsbike group
mmmm???????

Craig
Dictator
Sydney Knights

--- In bikers_anon@..., "Uidam, T (Tim)" <tu-
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> Since when was SK a sports-bike only group?! :P
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jamespudney [mailto:jamespudney@y...]
> Sent: Thursday, 23 December 2004 11:15
> To: bikers_anon@...
> Subject: [bikers_anon] SYDNEY RIDES, ALL SPORTSBIKES WELCOME
>
>
>
> SYDNEY RIDES, ALL SPORTSBIKES
>
WELCOME..............................................................
> ....................................................................
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> ............................. BURWOOD Every Tuesday night: Mobil
Servo,
> 7:30 sharp, corner Parramatta road, and Shaftesbury road, Burwood.
> "Sydney-Knights Sportsbike club &
>
Friends".............................................................
> ....................................................................
.
> ....................................................................
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> ...................... BRIGHTON Every Wednesday night: Shell Servo,
7:40
> sharp, Shell Service Station just up from the "Novotel Hotel". "I
> Trella-Madness Sportsbike club & Friends" ALWAYS on unless
>
raining..............................................................
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--- In bikers_anon@..., Chris Turner <christ@r...>
wrote:
> per cent with 30,398 charges in 1998 compared with 44,443 in 2004.

this tells me that whatever they are trying to do is not working, if
it was the number of charges should be dropping not increasing.

Craig

As a kneejerk reaction I decree that all use of vehicles in the below
regions be BANNED during double demerit periods.

If it only saves one life then it's worth it.

Signed

Horation HortyFart

Chair, State Kneejerk Policy Committee


--- In bikers_anon@..., "Uidam, T (Tim)" <tu-
nospam@r...> wrote:
> Thanks for that Chris, of particular interest is:
> * Country fatalities-speed 15 per cent, alcohol 31 per cent,
fatigue 15
> per cent, restrain/belt 8 per cent.
> * Metro fatalities - alcohol 29 per cent, negligent driving 43 per
cent,
> drugs 14 per cent.
>
> Speed doesn't rate a mention as a major causal factor in metro
> fatalaties...
>
> Have a safe Christmas everyone.
> Tim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Turner [mailto:christ@r...]
> Sent: Thursday, 23 December 2004 12:32
> To: BikersAn'on_Post (E-mail)
> Subject: [bikers_anon] Operation Safe Arrival 2004 - Fact sheet
>
>
> 22 December 2004
> The State's top 5 crash hotspots 2004:
>
> (1) Lower Hunter [Maitland/Cessnock] (22 deaths)
> (2) Far South Coast [Batemans Bay, Bega, Eden] (20 deaths)
> (3) Richmond [Casino/Lismore] (20 deaths)
> (4) Coffs Harbour/Clarence [Coffs Harbour/Nambucca Heads/Grafton]
(19
> deaths)
> (5) Shoalhaven [Nowra/Jervis Bay] (19)
>
> Metropolitan Top 5
>
> (1) Camden (17)
> (2) Bankstown (14)
> (3) Gosford (12)
> (4) Flemington (9)
> (5) Campbelltown (7) and St Marys (7)
>
> * The total number of random breath tests are up .25 a per cent
over a
> 10 month period this year.
> * Highway Patrol officers have already conducted 1,687,541 random
breath
> tests this year and expect to test a further 261,000 during the
> Christmas/New year campaign. .
> * The number of arrests and charges laid by highway patrol officers
is
> up 46 per cent with 30,398 charges in 1998 compared with 44,443 in
2004.
> * The road toll currently stands at 517, that's five less than last
> year.
> * There has been 9,900 less major crashes in 2004 with 64,452 this
year
> compared with 74,385 last year.
> * Two thirds of all fatal crashes occur on country roads.
> * Last year's Christmas fatalities - 14 of the 21 occurred in
country
> areas.
> Of the 21 deaths, 14 were male.
> * Of the 21 who died during Operation Safe Arrival last year, 3
people
> were under 17, 5 people were aged between 18-25, 2 people aged
between
> 26-35, 2 people aged between 36-45, 2 people aged between 46-55, 1
> person aged between 56-55, 4 people aged between 66-75, 2 people
aged
> between 76-95.
> * Country fatalities-speed 15 per cent, alcohol 31 per cent,
fatigue 15
> per cent, restrain/belt 8 per cent.
> * Metro fatalities - alcohol 29 per cent, negligent driving 43 per
cent,
> drugs 14 per cent.
> * Double demerit points for all speeding and seatbelt offences apply
> between
> 24 December and 3 January
> http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/
>
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OK folks.. for some weeks now my inbox gets dumped on every day or
two with 3 meg of infected email (each about 59kb).

What a stupid virus writer...sends out about 40 identical emails in 1
hit.  PAIN IN THE BUTT

Disregarding the faked sender/receiver, the emails all come from
someone on IPRIMUS dialup (a variable IP address) and someone with
links to Bikers Anon.

So if you have IPRIMUS dial-up, do yourself a favour and update the
virus scanner.

If you find yr computer bogs down for some minutes, and the Net
crawls to a stop..chances are ... check your system.

Alx

Thanks for that Chris, of particular interest is:
* Country fatalities-speed 15 per cent, alcohol 31 per cent, fatigue 15
per cent, restrain/belt 8 per cent.
* Metro fatalities - alcohol 29 per cent, negligent driving 43 per cent,
drugs 14 per cent.

Speed doesn't rate a mention as a major causal factor in metro
fatalaties...

Have a safe Christmas everyone.
Tim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Turner [mailto:christ@...]
Sent: Thursday, 23 December 2004 12:32
To: BikersAn'on_Post (E-mail)
Subject: [bikers_anon] Operation Safe Arrival 2004 - Fact sheet


22 December 2004
The State's top 5 crash hotspots 2004:

(1) Lower Hunter [Maitland/Cessnock] (22 deaths)
(2) Far South Coast [Batemans Bay, Bega, Eden] (20 deaths)
(3) Richmond [Casino/Lismore] (20 deaths)
(4) Coffs Harbour/Clarence [Coffs Harbour/Nambucca Heads/Grafton] (19
deaths)
(5) Shoalhaven [Nowra/Jervis Bay] (19)

Metropolitan Top 5

(1) Camden (17)
(2) Bankstown (14)
(3) Gosford (12)
(4) Flemington (9)
(5) Campbelltown (7) and St Marys (7)

* The total number of random breath tests are up .25 a per cent over a
10 month period this year.
* Highway Patrol officers have already conducted 1,687,541 random breath
tests this year and expect to test a further 261,000 during the
Christmas/New year campaign. .
* The number of arrests and charges laid by highway patrol officers is
up 46 per cent with 30,398 charges in 1998 compared with 44,443 in 2004.
* The road toll currently stands at 517, that's five less than last
year.
* There has been 9,900 less major crashes in 2004 with 64,452 this year
compared with 74,385 last year.
* Two thirds of all fatal crashes occur on country roads.
* Last year's Christmas fatalities - 14 of the 21 occurred in country
areas.
Of the 21 deaths, 14 were male.
* Of the 21 who died during Operation Safe Arrival last year, 3 people
were under 17, 5 people were aged between 18-25, 2 people aged between
26-35, 2 people aged between 36-45, 2 people aged between 46-55, 1
person aged between 56-55, 4 people aged between 66-75, 2 people aged
between 76-95.
* Country fatalities-speed 15 per cent, alcohol 31 per cent, fatigue 15
per cent, restrain/belt 8 per cent.
* Metro fatalities - alcohol 29 per cent, negligent driving 43 per cent,
drugs 14 per cent.
* Double demerit points for all speeding and seatbelt offences apply
between
24 December and 3 January
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Kurt,

Sam, James (from the Across forums) and myself did Superbike School at Wakefield
a couple of weeks ago.  Great for cornering skills as thats what superbike
school is about.  But if your after roadcraft type training then yeah go for the
Stay upright or similar type course.

Greg.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Kurt
   To: bikers_anon@...
   Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 10:05 AM
   Subject: [bikers_anon] Rider Training



   Hi Groupies,
   As a new rider I'm always looking at improving my riding skills. I'm
   at the point now where I feel comfortable enough to tackle an
   advanced rider training course.

   My options are:
   1. Australian Superbike School - Level 1 (Eastern Creek)
   2. Stay Upright - Advanced Course (Oran Park)

   I'm seeking feedback from those of you who have attended either
   course. The Superbike school comes very highly rated (word of mouth),
   but surely the Stay Upright course is valuable too.

   At this stage I wouldn't be able to define myself as a track rider or
   tourer. I have never ridden on a track, but I'm suspecting that I
   will love it.

   Thanks,
   Kurt.






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The MCC and others do attempt to put forward positive initiatives,
however these fact based initiatives generally clash with old wives
tale and magic bullet initiatives introduced by the RTA and members
of Govt.

Sean

--- In bikers_anon@..., "urbanoyster"
<urbanoyster@y...> wrote:
>
> Generally speaking, there seems to be a regular input of comments
on
> this forum that offer little positive or constructive comment on
> motorcycle related issues. We're all entitled to our own point of
> view, but this fatal accident on the old road has certainly opened
up
> a can of worms (and maybe some old wounds). It seems that some
people
> made comments that were poorly worded. I just hope it was a moment
of
> indiscretion. If its wasn't, then these kind of comments are only
> self destructive to the future of motorcycling. The way communities
> become stronger and more vibrant is due to tolerance and
> understanding of other people's views and opinions. We should
> evaluate the pros and cons of comments made. If we have an issue,
we
> should argue our own case, offering our own points of opinion.
>
> Take this example of how another sport group has been hit hard by
> wide sweeping changes to laws: Shooting was once a thriving sport,
> with a strong community acceptance and could even be considered to
> have a cultural aspect to our young nation. Well you may also be
> familiar with the changes that have been implemented in regards to
> firearms ownership in this country over the past 10 years. Due to
> some very unfortunate and sad incidents over the last few years,
the
> public profile of shooting dropped to rock bottom The government
> responded to the concerns to public safety by implemented changes
to
> laws of ownership and participation of firearms use. These changes
> have been sensible in some instances, and outright ill conceived
and
> damaging to sporting shooters in other ways. Nowadays, your average
> sporting shooter is very defensive about their sport, and will most
> probably not openly discuss that they participate in the sport. As
a
> result of division, neglect and general ignorance by controlling
> bodies and the individual participants, sports shooting now suffers
> from decreasing numbers. Your average shooter is aging and new
> younger shooters aren't entering the sport. Essentially it's a
dying
> sport.
>
> So the motorcycle community must stand and walk together if it
wants
> to achieve positive outcomes. Being divisive is what destroys a
> community, and can hand the initiative to your opponent. There is
> also the feeling of frustration brought about issues that will
affect
> our future riding enjoyment. So with this feeling of losing control
> of our interest, we vent our Spleens, generally at the innocent and
> like affected.
>
> What we need to do is take a more positive look at the issues
facing
> the future of motorcycling in this country. Don't worry about what
> has or hasn't happened elsewhere. Ok, I'm not fully aware of the
> issues currently facing motorcycling lobby groups at the moment,
but
> generally if they only seem to whinge and offer lame arguments
> against change (the good old days mentality), they usually lose any
> influence over government bodies who legislate changes to road
laws.
> (Does any one remember the no headlights campaign, or steel roping
> used as a traffic safety barrier?)
>
> As riders, we need to take the initiative! That means formulating
new
> proposals for change to motorcycle safety, and taking them to
> government and working more closely with regulating authorities.
Some
> of the many things that could be considered are items such as:
taking
> control of rider training; which would probably involve a more
> stepped approach, a limited roll in enforcing road laws for
> motorcyclists, compulsory first aid training and maintaining
currency
> of qualifications, new road bikes to have compact first aid kits
> installed as standard fitment, free first aid kits offered at re-
> registration time for existing bikes, bike manufacturers producing
> machines that are more resilient to minor spills. Some of these
ideas
> may well lower costs born by us (i.e. lower insurance premiums),
but
> then again the rider may well have to bear the burden of costs to
> maintain their chosen lifestyle.
>
> So where am I going with this letter? If incidents involving a very
> small percentage of the bike riding population become too hot a
topic
> for government to handle, and the public's opinion of motorcyclists
> takes a nose dive, we may well see a new laws imposed on us. So
lets
> not put up a wall of ignorance and just don't want to change things
> from as they are. We need to initiate the changes to enhance and
gain
> control of our chosen interest.
>
> That said if we want our so-called freedom, we must also accept the
> responsibilities this entails. Or do you want the State government
to
> put a speed hump ever 500 metres on your favourite twisty road?
>
> So what are other people's thoughts on improving our lot?  Please
> post your constructive feedback on this forum.
>
> A Very Merry Christmas to all,
>
> Urb

Superbike School teaches you techniques that are very useful for both
track and road. However it is a cornering school and doesnt pretend
to be anything else. Im a big fan of SBS, it improved my road riding
out of sight and has done the same for me on the track.

Stay Upright/HART courses are generally about defensive riding and
skills based suburban traffic survival.

Both are very useful types of courses, depends on where you think
your riding most needs improvement and where you send most of your
time riding, in traffic or in the twisties.

Sean

--- In bikers_anon@..., "Kurt" <maroubra2004@y...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Groupies,
> As a new rider I'm always looking at improving my riding skills.
I'm
> at the point now where I feel comfortable enough to tackle an
> advanced rider training course.
>
> My options are:
> 1. Australian Superbike School - Level 1 (Eastern Creek)
> 2. Stay Upright - Advanced Course (Oran Park)
>
> I'm seeking feedback from those of you who have attended either
> course. The Superbike school comes very highly rated (word of
mouth),
> but surely the Stay Upright course is valuable too.
>
> At this stage I wouldn't be able to define myself as a track rider
or
> tourer. I have never ridden on a track, but I'm suspecting that I
> will love it.
>
> Thanks,
> Kurt.

YEH!!!!... I was on the very first ride with my Harley and there are certaily
other cruiser riders who attend the ride......  even a couple of road/trail
bikes..... haven't had any scooters yet but they're most certaily welcome too.
BRING WHAT YOU RIDE AND HAVE FUN!!!!!
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Uidam, T (Tim)
   To: jamespudney ; bikers_anon@...
   Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 11:39 AM
   Subject: RE: [bikers_anon] SYDNEY RIDES, ALL SPORTSBIKES WELCOME


   Since when was SK a sports-bike only group?! :P

   -----Original Message-----
   From: jamespudney [mailto:jamespudney@...]
   Sent: Thursday, 23 December 2004 11:15
   To: bikers_anon@...
   Subject: [bikers_anon] SYDNEY RIDES, ALL SPORTSBIKES WELCOME



   SYDNEY RIDES, ALL SPORTSBIKES
   WELCOME..............................................................
   .....................................................................
   ............................. BURWOOD Every Tuesday night: Mobil Servo,
   7:30 sharp, corner Parramatta road, and Shaftesbury road, Burwood.
   "Sydney-Knights Sportsbike club &
   Friends".............................................................
   .....................................................................
   .....................................................................
   ...................... BRIGHTON Every Wednesday night: Shell Servo, 7:40
   sharp, Shell Service Station just up from the "Novotel Hotel". "I
   Trella-Madness Sportsbike club & Friends" ALWAYS on unless
   raining..............................................................
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

OT

Just a message for anyone who's out there wondering what they're
going to do with their pets if going away over Christmas and New Year.

A friend and I have started a Pet Care service which includes :  dog
walking and in home care - feeding and playing with dogs, cats, fish,
birds and any other pet in your menagerie.

We also provide a Pet Taxi service to Vets, boarding kennels,
groomers, etc.

I can be contacted on:

deborahwheatley@...     (subject/title -  Pet Care)

Mobile:   0400 40 90 40

We'll even take pictures and send them to you, and if you like,
include them on our website.

"Walking the Dog"   also found in Yellow Pages On-line

This service is available throughout the year.

I also make home made dog food  "Bone Appetit" , delicious (&
nutritious) if I do say so myself.

All the best for the Festive Season

Deborah  (TRX, ZX-6, 450 Ducati)

Generally speaking, there seems to be a regular input of comments on
this forum that offer little positive or constructive comment on
motorcycle related issues. We're all entitled to our own point of
view, but this fatal accident on the old road has certainly opened up
a can of worms (and maybe some old wounds). It seems that some people
made comments that were poorly worded. I just hope it was a moment of
indiscretion. If its wasn't, then these kind of comments are only
self destructive to the future of motorcycling. The way communities
become stronger and more vibrant is due to tolerance and
understanding of other people's views and opinions. We should
evaluate the pros and cons of comments made. If we have an issue, we
should argue our own case, offering our own points of opinion.

Take this example of how another sport group has been hit hard by
wide sweeping changes to laws: Shooting was once a thriving sport,
with a strong community acceptance and could even be considered to
have a cultural aspect to our young nation. Well you may also be
familiar with the changes that have been implemented in regards to
firearms ownership in this country over the past 10 years. Due to
some very unfortunate and sad incidents over the last few years, the
public profile of shooting dropped to rock bottom The government
responded to the concerns to public safety by implemented changes to
laws of ownership and participation of firearms use. These changes
have been sensible in some instances, and outright ill conceived and
damaging to sporting shooters in other ways. Nowadays, your average
sporting shooter is very defensive about their sport, and will most
probably not openly discuss that they participate in the sport. As a
result of division, neglect and general ignorance by controlling
bodies and the individual participants, sports shooting now suffers
from decreasing numbers. Your average shooter is aging and new
younger shooters aren't entering the sport. Essentially it's a dying
sport.

So the motorcycle community must stand and walk together if it wants
to achieve positive outcomes. Being divisive is what destroys a
community, and can hand the initiative to your opponent. There is
also the feeling of frustration brought about issues that will affect
our future riding enjoyment. So with this feeling of losing control
of our interest, we vent our Spleens, generally at the innocent and
like affected.

What we need to do is take a more positive look at the issues facing
the future of motorcycling in this country. Don't worry about what
has or hasn't happened elsewhere. Ok, I'm not fully aware of the
issues currently facing motorcycling lobby groups at the moment, but
generally if they only seem to whinge and offer lame arguments
against change (the good old days mentality), they usually lose any
influence over government bodies who legislate changes to road laws.
(Does any one remember the no headlights campaign, or steel roping
used as a traffic safety barrier?)

As riders, we need to take the initiative! That means formulating new
proposals for change to motorcycle safety, and taking them to
government and working more closely with regulating authorities. Some
of the many things that could be considered are items such as: taking
control of rider training; which would probably involve a more
stepped approach, a limited roll in enforcing road laws for
motorcyclists, compulsory first aid training and maintaining currency
of qualifications, new road bikes to have compact first aid kits
installed as standard fitment, free first aid kits offered at re-
registration time for existing bikes, bike manufacturers producing
machines that are more resilient to minor spills. Some of these ideas
may well lower costs born by us (i.e. lower insurance premiums), but
then again the rider may well have to bear the burden of costs to
maintain their chosen lifestyle.

So where am I going with this letter? If incidents involving a very
small percentage of the bike riding population become too hot a topic
for government to handle, and the public's opinion of motorcyclists
takes a nose dive, we may well see a new laws imposed on us. So lets
not put up a wall of ignorance and just don't want to change things
from as they are. We need to initiate the changes to enhance and gain
control of our chosen interest.

That said if we want our so-called freedom, we must also accept the
responsibilities this entails. Or do you want the State government to
put a speed hump ever 500 metres on your favourite twisty road?

So what are other people's thoughts on improving our lot?  Please
post your constructive feedback on this forum.

A Very Merry Christmas to all,

Urb

22 December 2004
The State's top 5 crash hotspots 2004:

(1) Lower Hunter [Maitland/Cessnock] (22 deaths)
(2) Far South Coast [Batemans Bay, Bega, Eden] (20 deaths)
(3) Richmond [Casino/Lismore] (20 deaths)
(4) Coffs Harbour/Clarence [Coffs Harbour/Nambucca Heads/Grafton] (19
deaths)
(5) Shoalhaven [Nowra/Jervis Bay] (19)

Metropolitan Top 5

(1) Camden (17)
(2) Bankstown (14)
(3) Gosford (12)
(4) Flemington (9)
(5) Campbelltown (7) and St Marys (7)

· The total number of random breath tests are up .25 a per cent over a 10
month period this year.
· Highway Patrol officers have already conducted 1,687,541 random breath
tests this year and expect to test a further 261,000 during the
Christmas/New year campaign. .
· The number of arrests and charges laid by highway patrol officers is up 46
per cent with 30,398 charges in 1998 compared with 44,443 in 2004.
· The road toll currently stands at 517, that's five less than last year.
· There has been 9,900 less major crashes in 2004 with 64,452 this year
compared with 74,385 last year.
· Two thirds of all fatal crashes occur on country roads.
· Last year's Christmas fatalities - 14 of the 21 occurred in country areas.
Of the 21 deaths, 14 were male.
· Of the 21 who died during Operation Safe Arrival last year, 3 people were
under 17, 5 people were aged between 18-25, 2 people aged between 26-35, 2
people aged between 36-45, 2 people aged between 46-55, 1 person aged
between 56-55, 4 people aged between 66-75, 2 people aged between 76-95.
· Country fatalities-speed 15 per cent, alcohol 31 per cent, fatigue 15 per
cent, restrain/belt 8 per cent.
· Metro fatalities - alcohol 29 per cent, negligent driving 43 per cent,
drugs 14 per cent.
· Double demerit points for all speeding and seatbelt offences apply between
24 December and 3 January
http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/




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The following are `actual' statements found on insurance forms where
car
drivers attempted to summarize the details of an accident in the
fewest
words. These instances of faulty writing serve to confirm that even
incompetent writing may be highly entertaining.

Coming home I drove into the wrong house and collided with a tree I
don't have.

The other car collided with mine without giving warning of its
intentions.

I thought my windows was done but I found out it was up when I put
my head
through it.

I collided with a stationary truck coming the other way.

A truck backed through my windshield into my wife's face.

A pedestrian hit me and went under my car.

The guy was all over the road. I had to swerve a number of times
before I
hit him.

I pulled away from the side of the road, glanced at my mother-in-law
and
headed over the embankment.

In my attempt to kill a fly, I drove into a telephone pole.

I had been shopping for plants all day and was on my way home. As I
reached an intersection, a hedge sprange up, obscuring my vision and
I did
not see the other car.

I had been driving for 40 years when I feel asleep at the wheel and
had an
accident.

I was on my way to the doctor with rear end trouble when my
universal
joint gave way causing me to have an accident.

As I approached the intersection, a sign suddenly appeared in a
place
where no stop sign had ever appeared before. I was unable to stop in
time
to avoid the accident.

To avoid hitting the bumper of the car in front, I struck the
pedestrian.

My car was legally parked as it backed into the other vehicle.

An invisible car came out of nowhere, struck my car and vanished.

I told the police that I was not injured but on removing my hat, I
found
that I had a fractured skull.

I was sure the old fellow would never make it to the other side of
the
road when I struck him.

The pedestrian had no idea which direction to run so I ran over him.

I saw a slow moving, sad faced old gentlemen as he bounced off the
hood of
my car.

The indirect cause of the accident was a little guy in a small car
with a
big mouth.

I was thrown from my car as it left the road. I was later found in a
ditch by some stray cows.

The telephone pole was approaching. I was attempting to swerve out
of its
way when it struck my front end.




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