anyone out there had any trouble/problems carrying around a laptop in
the back of a bike around sydney.
i am looking to get one and am concerned about durability etc with it
rattling around in my ventura bag or even in a backpack on me.
like the look of the panasonic toughbooks, but not the price $5k +
dell toshiba and asus are more within my budget, bot not if they are
going to fail in a year or two, not to mention loosing work etc.
it won't have to be cutting edge, it's just for study purposes so word
and a bit of surfing will probably be the main uses.

mark

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Woolwich Pier Hotel Social, Movie Night

Date: Thursday, August 4, 2005
Time: 7:00PM - 8:00PM EST (GMT+10:00)

Please join us for our monthly social evening at the WPH,
dinner, drinks, music and a bike movie, big screen and sound as
well as everything else on tap.

This month's live concert vid is "Midnight Oil live at Goat
Island", just awsome and the bike movie - Las Vegas Extremes II.

Woolwich Pier Hotel, 2 Gale Street, Woolwich from 7.00 pm. Great
food, street parking, bus and ferry at the pub door, see you
there.

Fun Rating = :) :) :) :) :)

> "The amount of training people get is not enough," Dr Haworth
said. "People are being allowed out onto the road without having
decent skills and the road is not a safe place to learn those
skills."
>
I don't see why this paragraph should only be relevant to motorcycles.

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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Wollombi

Date: Sunday, August 7, 2005
Time: 10:00AM EST (GMT+10:00)

Wollombi – 07/08/05
An old favourite – ride to Wollombi via the Old Road and
Peats Ridge. Meet at Berowra Mobil, 9:30 for 10:00am departure.

Ride Rating = 4 bikes

Yes, and probably also some additional storage memory.

eg. a few hundred meg for all NSW and Vic roads, including detailed
country town maps.

A 1 gig card sets you back around $150 or less.

Your PDA would need to support bluetooth if you use a Bluetooth GPS
receiver.

Mapping capability determined by the software. SOme software is
moving map, others also have auto-routing and voice commands. More
complex software needs more PDA CPU grunt of course.

The GPS hardware receiver does very little..it just feeds data
stream to the PDA.

alx



--- In bikers_anon@..., "Beasty" <beastyvfr@i...>
wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Can I confirm something - I am looking to get into the GPS world
and already
> own a PDA....is it as simple as needing 2 things:
> 1) The actual GPS Receiver (Bluetooth is what I am thinking)
> 2) The GPS Software (can be mapping if the hardware supports it)
>
> Is that what I need? If it's right, and I am using a PDA, is
the 'mapping'
> capability determined by the software or the GPS hardware?
>
> Thanks for letting a n00b ask the qn :)
>
> Andrew - '98 Red VFR800, Sydney, Australia
> vfrbeasty@i...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bikers_anon@...
> > [mailto:bikers_anon@...] On Behalf Of alxxr
> > Sent: Thursday, 4 August 2005 12:35 AM
> > To: bikers_anon@...
> > Subject: [bikers_anon] Re: GPS
> >
> > PDA-based solution:-
> >
> > Dell Axim X50V  *gorgeous VGA screen)
> > http://www.brighthand.com/article/Dell_Axim_X50v_Review
> >
> > Holux GR230 bluetooth receiver:-
> > http://www.pocketgps.co.uk/holuxgr230.php
> >
> > Software:-
> > Oziexplorer moving map software
> > Memorymap  (for UK ...London A-Z runs sweet)
> >
> > oh, and can watch FASTER and some Isle Of Man vids when I get
> > bored ;-)
> >
> > Matrix trailer at 30fps VGA is awesome...zero stutter and
> > amazing detail.
> >
> > So many toys, so little time <sigh>
> >
> >
> > -- In bikers_anon@..., "Darren"
> > <shadyninefivefour@h...> wrote:
> > > Thanks guy's, I'm actually looking to see what brands people
use
> > > because I am setting up an online shop selling GPS's and one
of the
> > > markets we are tageting is on/off road bikes.
> > > At the moment we have secured Garimn, Magellan, Navman, Tom
Tom and
> > > Travroute. Just seeing if people were using other brands,
> > but by the
> > > sounds of it we have got it covered.
> > > The GPS units best suited to road bikes are the Garmin
StreetPilot,
> > > Navman, Tom Tom or the PDA's using a navigating program like
> > Travroute.
> > > All of these units are handheld or can be mounted We will also
be
> > > selling RAM mounting systems and the cables to
> > hardwire
> > > the units to the bikes battery.
> > >
> > > For anyone that is interested, the forum is
> > www.gpsaustralia.net and
> > > the shop will be online in the next week or two.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email with subject
> > "unsubscribe"
> > to: bikers_anon-unsubscribe@...
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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i think some of the facts are a bit out of date, ie zero alcohol and
power to weight with regard to NSW, but since the research would
probably only be looking at data from a few years ago you can see
why they say some of what they say.
surely skill training and testing is one of the only ways to reduce
bike accidents, it's all very well blaming other drivers but in at
least half of all crashes the bike is the only vehical involved

mark

--- In bikers_anon@..., "Greg Douglas" <greggyd@i...>
wrote:
> Haven't these people heard of fact checking, Academic experts my
arse.  Why let the truth get in the way of a good story huh.
>
> Greg D
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------
>
>
>
> http://smh.com.au/articles/2005/08/01/1122748554428.html?
oneclick=true
>
> Published in the SMH August 1, 2005.
>
> By Dan Silkstone, transport reporter
> August 1, 2005
>
> The study, by researchers at Monash University's Accident Research
Centre, finds that licence regulations for motorcyclists are
inconsistent across Australia and do not meet the highest
international standards.
>
> It also recommends that motorcycle licences should be regarded as
separate and higher-class qualifications than car licences, and that
they be made more expensive to obtain.
>
> "It's very easy to get a motorcycle licence in Victoria and very
cheap," said Narelle Haworth, who led the study. "For a form of
transport that has a much higher crash and injury risk than other
forms, that is not really sending the right message."
>
> The recommendations were greeted angrily by the Motorcycle Riders
Association yesterday, with the group's president, Dale Maggs,
labelling them a joke.
>
> "Many motorcyclists never actually obtain a car licence. They're
not interested in that," Mr Maggs said. "Motorcycling is their mode
of transport for social reasons, for economic reasons and for
environmental reasons."
>
> The study looked at motorcycle licensing and testing systems
across Australia and compared them with best-practice systems
overseas.
>
> It found that motorcycle riding required a far higher level of
skill than driving a car, and that the risk of crashing was much
higher for learner riders than for those learning to drive a car.
>
> Dr Haworth also recommends that engine size restrictions, now in
place in Victoria for P-plate riders, should be replaced with power-
to-weight ratio restrictions. "Power-to-weight has a lot more to do
with crash risk," she said.
>
> Mr Maggs said it was wrong to suppose that driving a car would
make somebody a better rider. "It actually works the other way
around," he said. "You are more aware of what's going on around you
after you ride a motorcycle."
>
> But the MRA president said that skills and road rules testing
should be made more comprehensive in order to tackle the crash rate
for learner riders.
>
> The study recommends that governments ban novice riders from
carrying pillion passengers and insist on a zero blood alcohol limit
for motorcycle P-platers - both measures that have already been
introduced in Victoria but not in other states (is this true???? I
thought it's 0 for L's & P's in NSW).
>
> But Victoria suffers in comparison with NSW because it does not
require new riders to undergo a compulsory training course. In NSW
riders undergo compulsory L-plate and P-plate training while similar
Victorian courses are voluntary.
>
> "The amount of training people get is not enough," Dr Haworth
said. "People are being allowed out onto the road without having
decent skills and the road is not a safe place to learn those
skills."
>
> A spokesman for Transport Minister Peter Batchelor said although
Victoria compared well with other states on motorcycle licensing,
the Government was willing to look at new research aimed at
improving road safety.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi All,

Can I confirm something - I am looking to get into the GPS world and already
own a PDA....is it as simple as needing 2 things:
1) The actual GPS Receiver (Bluetooth is what I am thinking)
2) The GPS Software (can be mapping if the hardware supports it)

Is that what I need? If it's right, and I am using a PDA, is the 'mapping'
capability determined by the software or the GPS hardware?

Thanks for letting a n00b ask the qn :)

Andrew - '98 Red VFR800, Sydney, Australia
vfrbeasty@...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: bikers_anon@...
> [mailto:bikers_anon@...] On Behalf Of alxxr
> Sent: Thursday, 4 August 2005 12:35 AM
> To: bikers_anon@...
> Subject: [bikers_anon] Re: GPS
>
> PDA-based solution:-
>
> Dell Axim X50V  *gorgeous VGA screen)
> http://www.brighthand.com/article/Dell_Axim_X50v_Review
>
> Holux GR230 bluetooth receiver:-
> http://www.pocketgps.co.uk/holuxgr230.php
>
> Software:-
> Oziexplorer moving map software
> Memorymap  (for UK ...London A-Z runs sweet)
>
> oh, and can watch FASTER and some Isle Of Man vids when I get
> bored ;-)
>
> Matrix trailer at 30fps VGA is awesome...zero stutter and
> amazing detail.
>
> So many toys, so little time <sigh>
>
>
> -- In bikers_anon@..., "Darren"
> <shadyninefivefour@h...> wrote:
> > Thanks guy's, I'm actually looking to see what brands people use
> > because I am setting up an online shop selling GPS's and one of the
> > markets we are tageting is on/off road bikes.
> > At the moment we have secured Garimn, Magellan, Navman, Tom Tom and
> > Travroute. Just seeing if people were using other brands,
> but by the
> > sounds of it we have got it covered.
> > The GPS units best suited to road bikes are the Garmin StreetPilot,
> > Navman, Tom Tom or the PDA's using a navigating program like
> Travroute.
> > All of these units are handheld or can be mounted We will also be
> > selling RAM mounting systems and the cables to
> hardwire
> > the units to the bikes battery.
> >
> > For anyone that is interested, the forum is
> www.gpsaustralia.net and
> > the shop will be online in the next week or two.
>
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email with subject
> "unsubscribe"
> to: bikers_anon-unsubscribe@...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
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>

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PDA-based solution:-

Dell Axim X50V  *gorgeous VGA screen)
http://www.brighthand.com/article/Dell_Axim_X50v_Review

Holux GR230 bluetooth receiver:-
http://www.pocketgps.co.uk/holuxgr230.php

Software:-
Oziexplorer moving map software
Memorymap  (for UK ...London A-Z runs sweet)

oh, and can watch FASTER and some Isle Of Man vids when I get bored ;-)

Matrix trailer at 30fps VGA is awesome...zero stutter and amazing
detail.

So many toys, so little time <sigh>


-- In bikers_anon@..., "Darren"
<shadyninefivefour@h...> wrote:
> Thanks guy's, I'm actually looking to see what brands people use
> because I am setting up an online shop selling GPS's and one of the
> markets we are tageting is on/off road bikes.
> At the moment we have secured Garimn, Magellan, Navman, Tom Tom and
> Travroute. Just seeing if people were using other brands, but by the
> sounds of it we have got it covered.
> The GPS units best suited to road bikes are the Garmin StreetPilot,
> Navman, Tom Tom or the PDA's using a navigating program like
Travroute.
> All of these units are handheld or can be mounted
> We will also be selling RAM mounting systems and the cables to
hardwire
> the units to the bikes battery.
>
> For anyone that is interested, the forum is www.gpsaustralia.net and
> the shop will be online in the next week or two.

Front numberplates and a $50 levy shoould fix all this carnage...

ooh... and ban all bikes from parking on footpaths too.


--- In bikers_anon@..., "Greg Douglas" <greggyd@i...>
wrote:
> Haven't these people heard of fact checking, Academic experts my
arse.  Why let the truth get in the way of a good story huh.
>
> Greg D
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------
>
>
>
> http://smh.com.au/articles/2005/08/01/1122748554428.html?
oneclick=true
>
> Published in the SMH August 1, 2005.
>
> By Dan Silkstone, transport reporter
> August 1, 2005
>
> The study, by researchers at Monash University's Accident Research
Centre, finds that licence regulations for motorcyclists are
inconsistent across Australia and do not meet the highest
international standards.
>
> It also recommends that motorcycle licences should be regarded as

Haven't these people heard of fact checking, Academic experts my arse.  Why let
the truth get in the way of a good story huh.

Greg D
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
----



http://smh.com.au/articles/2005/08/01/1122748554428.html?oneclick=true

Published in the SMH August 1, 2005.

By Dan Silkstone, transport reporter
August 1, 2005

The study, by researchers at Monash University's Accident Research Centre, finds
that licence regulations for motorcyclists are inconsistent across Australia and
do not meet the highest international standards.

It also recommends that motorcycle licences should be regarded as separate and
higher-class qualifications than car licences, and that they be made more
expensive to obtain.

"It's very easy to get a motorcycle licence in Victoria and very cheap," said
Narelle Haworth, who led the study. "For a form of transport that has a much
higher crash and injury risk than other forms, that is not really sending the
right message."

The recommendations were greeted angrily by the Motorcycle Riders Association
yesterday, with the group's president, Dale Maggs, labelling them a joke.

"Many motorcyclists never actually obtain a car licence. They're not interested
in that," Mr Maggs said. "Motorcycling is their mode of transport for social
reasons, for economic reasons and for environmental reasons."

The study looked at motorcycle licensing and testing systems across Australia
and compared them with best-practice systems overseas.

It found that motorcycle riding required a far higher level of skill than
driving a car, and that the risk of crashing was much higher for learner riders
than for those learning to drive a car.

Dr Haworth also recommends that engine size restrictions, now in place in
Victoria for P-plate riders, should be replaced with power-to-weight ratio
restrictions. "Power-to-weight has a lot more to do with crash risk," she said.

Mr Maggs said it was wrong to suppose that driving a car would make somebody a
better rider. "It actually works the other way around," he said. "You are more
aware of what's going on around you after you ride a motorcycle."

But the MRA president said that skills and road rules testing should be made
more comprehensive in order to tackle the crash rate for learner riders.

The study recommends that governments ban novice riders from carrying pillion
passengers and insist on a zero blood alcohol limit for motorcycle P-platers -
both measures that have already been introduced in Victoria but not in other
states (is this true???? I thought it's 0 for L's & P's in NSW).

But Victoria suffers in comparison with NSW because it does not require new
riders to undergo a compulsory training course. In NSW riders undergo compulsory
L-plate and P-plate training while similar Victorian courses are voluntary.

"The amount of training people get is not enough," Dr Haworth said. "People are
being allowed out onto the road without having decent skills and the road is not
a safe place to learn those skills."

A spokesman for Transport Minister Peter Batchelor said although Victoria
compared well with other states on motorcycle licensing, the Government was
willing to look at new research aimed at improving road safety.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Woolwich Pier Hotel Social, Movie Night

Date: Thursday, August 4, 2005
Time: 7:00PM - 8:00PM EST (GMT+10:00)

Please join us for our monthly social evening at the WPH,
dinner, drinks, music and a bike movie, big screen and sound as
well as everything else on tap.

This month's live concert vid is "Midnight Oil live at Goat
Island", just awsome and the bike movie - Las Vegas Extremes II.

Woolwich Pier Hotel, 2 Gale Street, Woolwich from 7.00 pm. Great
food, street parking, bus and ferry at the pub door, see you
there.

Fun Rating = :) :) :) :) :)

I have seen this list before about 2 years ago
I live near 3 of them and have closely examined some of the claimed sites, -
nothing there.
I'd have been booked by one of them by now I'm sure if they existed.

I'm pretty sure it's a legal requirement to signpost fixed speed cameras.

so why'd they choose to surround my place with them?
Craig Cooper
Too much is never enough.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Haeata" <no-spam@...>
To: "'Bikers Anon'" <bikers_anon@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:01 PM
Subject: [bikers_anon] Speed Cameras


I am not sure if any of these details are accurate, but here is the
information regardless:

------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------
New speed cameras which will be permanently mounted on telegraph
poles and the like. They are very small, don't use a flash and will
be working day and night.

They are at:

Canterbury Road, Revesby
River Rd to Mavis St North East Mavis St to River Rd South West

Milperra Road, Milperra
Henry Lawson Dr to Cooraban Rd Cooraban Rd to Henry Lawson Dr

Hume Hwy, Yagoona
Brancourt Ave to Cooper Rd North East Strickland St to Rookwood Rd
South West

Hume Hwy, Bass Hill
Miller Rd to Chester Hill Rd North East Strickland St to Arundel St
South West

Bayview Ave, Earlwood
Undercliff Ln to Highcliff Rd South West

Homer Street, Earlwood
Wellington St to Bayview Ave West North

King Street, Ashbury
Second Ave to Melville St West North Palace St to Trevenar St East

South Lilyfield Road, Leichhardt
Hubert St to Mary St North East Henry St to James St South West

Darley Road, Leichhardt
Lyell St to Allen St East South Allen St to Lyall St West North

New Canterbury Rd, Lewisham
Morton Av to Toothill St North East, Toothill St to Frazer St South
West

Hume Hwy, Liverpool
Elizabeth Dr to Memorial Ave North West Campbell St to Moore St South

Heckenberg Ave, Heckenberg
Robin Rd to Tooma Pl North West Johns Rd to Tooma Pl South East

Lalor Rd, Quakers Hill
Wilson St to Sunnyholt Rd North East Sunnyholt Rd to To Wilson St
South

The Horsley Drive, Fairfield
Polding St to Nelson St South East Nelson St to Polding St North West

Bungarribee Rd, Blacktown
Hereward Hwy North West Ross St to Flushcombe Rd South West

Pitt Street, Merrylands
Birmingham St to Victoria St South East, Victoria St to Birmingham St
West

Sunnyholt Rd, Blacktown
Steel St to Forge St South East Turner St to Stephen St North West

Windsor Road, Northmead
Anderson Rd to Martha Ave South East Whitehaven Rd to Moir Ave
North West

Barclay Road, North Rocks
Perry St to Hepburn Rd North East Hepburn Rd to Perry St South West

O'Connell St, Parramatta
Victoria Rd to George St East South George St to Victoria Rd West
North

Seven Hills Rd, Baulkham Hills
Hilda Rd to Merindah Rd Sth West Merindah Rd to Hilda Rd Nth East

Castlereagh Rd, Penrith
Coreen Ave to Peach Tree St East South Peach Tree St to Coreen Ave
West

Mamre Road, St Marys
Mitchell St to Saddington St East South John St to Saddington St
West

Luxford Street, Whalan
Sands St to Salmana St South West

Princes Hwy, Engadine
Mianga St to Engadine Rd East South Engadine Rd to Mianga St West
North

Ramsgate Road, Ramsgate
Targo Rd to Vaudan St South West

THESE CAMERAS HAVE BEEN INSTALLED IN FIXED POSITIONS. THE FILM IS
CHANGED EVERY 2 WEEKS.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



To unsubscribe from this group, send an email with subject "unsubscribe"
to: bikers_anon-unsubscribe@...
Yahoo! Groups Links

wow! this one has legs - what, about 7years old now? ;-)
As you suspected Sam, it is a hoax.


  On 03/08/05, Sam Haeata <no-spam@...> wrote:
>
> I am not sure if any of these details are accurate, but here is the
> information regardless:
>
> --
> James Murray
> 0428-5555-35


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I am not sure if any of these details are accurate, but here is the
information regardless:

------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------
New speed cameras which will be permanently mounted on telegraph
poles and the like. They are very small, don't use a flash and will
be working day and night.

They are at:

Canterbury Road, Revesby
River Rd to Mavis St North East Mavis St to River Rd South West

Milperra Road, Milperra
Henry Lawson Dr to Cooraban Rd Cooraban Rd to Henry Lawson Dr

Hume Hwy, Yagoona
Brancourt Ave to Cooper Rd North East Strickland St to Rookwood Rd
South West

Hume Hwy, Bass Hill
Miller Rd to Chester Hill Rd North East Strickland St to Arundel St
South West

Bayview Ave, Earlwood
Undercliff Ln to Highcliff Rd South West

Homer Street, Earlwood
Wellington St to Bayview Ave West North

King Street, Ashbury
Second Ave to Melville St West North Palace St to Trevenar St East

South Lilyfield Road, Leichhardt
Hubert St to Mary St North East Henry St to James St South West

Darley Road, Leichhardt
Lyell St to Allen St East South Allen St to Lyall St West North

New Canterbury Rd, Lewisham
Morton Av to Toothill St North East, Toothill St to Frazer St South
West

Hume Hwy, Liverpool
Elizabeth Dr to Memorial Ave North West Campbell St to Moore St South

Heckenberg Ave, Heckenberg
Robin Rd to Tooma Pl North West Johns Rd to Tooma Pl South East

Lalor Rd, Quakers Hill
Wilson St to Sunnyholt Rd North East Sunnyholt Rd to To Wilson St
South

The Horsley Drive, Fairfield
Polding St to Nelson St South East Nelson St to Polding St North West

Bungarribee Rd, Blacktown
Hereward Hwy North West Ross St to Flushcombe Rd South West

Pitt Street, Merrylands
Birmingham St to Victoria St South East, Victoria St to Birmingham St
West

Sunnyholt Rd, Blacktown
Steel St to Forge St South East Turner St to Stephen St North West

Windsor Road, Northmead
Anderson Rd to Martha Ave South East Whitehaven Rd to Moir Ave
North West

Barclay Road, North Rocks
Perry St to Hepburn Rd North East Hepburn Rd to Perry St South West

O'Connell St, Parramatta
Victoria Rd to George St East South George St to Victoria Rd West
North

Seven Hills Rd, Baulkham Hills
Hilda Rd to Merindah Rd Sth West Merindah Rd to Hilda Rd Nth East

Castlereagh Rd, Penrith
Coreen Ave to Peach Tree St East South Peach Tree St to Coreen Ave
West

Mamre Road, St Marys
Mitchell St to Saddington St East South John St to Saddington St
West

Luxford Street, Whalan
Sands St to Salmana St South West

Princes Hwy, Engadine
Mianga St to Engadine Rd East South Engadine Rd to Mianga St West
North

Ramsgate Road, Ramsgate
Targo Rd to Vaudan St South West

THESE CAMERAS HAVE BEEN INSTALLED IN FIXED POSITIONS. THE FILM IS
CHANGED EVERY 2 WEEKS.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On cold days, if I tuck my dri-riders into my riding boots, they are toasty
warm. Though, mine are not dri-riders, they are Max's Moto product and have
an insulator/protector that runs to below my knees front and back.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I find leather to be a good conductor of outside temperature. With an insulating
layer it gets better at either holding in (-thermals-) or getting rid of(-one of
those breathing, sports, rashie things-) heat.

With dririder type pants you usually have the insulating layer built-in as a
liner.
If you took the liner out, you'd probably find that dririder pants are colder
than leather as the airflow through cordura type fabric is a lot more than
leather.

It's all about controlling the temperature of the pockets of air between your
skin and your outer shell. Be it leather, jeans  or cordura...

Then again I might be talking outta my .....

Neel

-----Original Message-----
From: bikers_anon@...
[mailto:bikers_anon@...]On Behalf Of alxxr
Sent: Wednesday, 3 August 2005 11:26 AM
To: bikers_anon@...
Subject: [bikers_anon] Re: [girlsrideout] Whats warmer leather or dri
rider type pants?


"> Leathers are not designed to keep you warm or dry,..."

Leather pants DO keep you warm and dry (to a certain extent).

1) Leather is an excellent windbreak

Wind removes heat from the body. Give me leather pants instead of
jeans on a cold winter day.

2) Well-cared for leather will withstand light showers.  Water beads
and blows away. Even better on a faired bike... full leathers has
got me through weekends away often with an occasional light shower.
Supplemented by $5 Reject Shop emergency plastics, even better.

But it's a bugga when it DOES get wet and heat retention is then
poor. My leathers have also been sodden and carefully dryed several
cycles..no probs..can be done.

Can;t comment on Dryriders but leather cannot be so easily dismissed
as being purely skin and boner savers. There's lots of waterproof
cows merrily munching on grass and lots of aviators that wore
leather too.

--- In bikers_anon@..., Chris Turnbull
<ricci_racer@y...> wrote:
> Leathers are not designed to keep you warm or dry, they keep your
skin on your bones when you hit the bitumen.  Dryrider pants are
designed to keep you warm and dry with there gortex exterior and
winter linings inside that are usually removeable in summer.  They
will also provide reasonably good protection if you come off but not
as good as good leathers.
>
> Steve <sullosau@y...> wrote:Hi boys n girls,
> having recently dusted off the lawnmower (zzr)whilst car was off
the
> road and rode to work recently at 5.20am from western sydney to
> eastern sydney and froze parts of my anatomy that I'd rather not
> mention I was curious whats warmer leathers or the dri rider style
> riding pants. I know theres lined dri rider style ones about but
is
> leather any better?
> Anyone whos tried both....
>
> Glad Im back in the ute again now thou!
> Any help suggestions appreciated
>
> Steve
> Lover of all things Kawasaki
> and i checked the kwaka website, no warm riding pants there either
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"> Leathers are not designed to keep you warm or dry,..."

Leather pants DO keep you warm and dry (to a certain extent).

1) Leather is an excellent windbreak

Wind removes heat from the body. Give me leather pants instead of
jeans on a cold winter day.

2) Well-cared for leather will withstand light showers.  Water beads
and blows away. Even better on a faired bike... full leathers has
got me through weekends away often with an occasional light shower.
Supplemented by $5 Reject Shop emergency plastics, even better.

But it's a bugga when it DOES get wet and heat retention is then
poor. My leathers have also been sodden and carefully dryed several
cycles..no probs..can be done.

Can;t comment on Dryriders but leather cannot be so easily dismissed
as being purely skin and boner savers. There's lots of waterproof
cows merrily munching on grass and lots of aviators that wore
leather too.

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<ricci_racer@y...> wrote:
> Leathers are not designed to keep you warm or dry, they keep your
skin on your bones when you hit the bitumen.  Dryrider pants are
designed to keep you warm and dry with there gortex exterior and
winter linings inside that are usually removeable in summer.  They
will also provide reasonably good protection if you come off but not
as good as good leathers.
>
> Steve <sullosau@y...> wrote:Hi boys n girls,
> having recently dusted off the lawnmower (zzr)whilst car was off
the
> road and rode to work recently at 5.20am from western sydney to
> eastern sydney and froze parts of my anatomy that I'd rather not
> mention I was curious whats warmer leathers or the dri rider style
> riding pants. I know theres lined dri rider style ones about but
is
> leather any better?
> Anyone whos tried both....
>
> Glad Im back in the ute again now thou!
> Any help suggestions appreciated
>
> Steve
> Lover of all things Kawasaki
> and i checked the kwaka website, no warm riding pants there either
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Hi all

The booking database is now available for this weekend away -

http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/bikers_anon/database

This event is not far being only 220k's from Sydney, staying in
ensuite cabins 200 m from the Lawson Park Hotel which also hosts the
fantastic Red Heifer Grill, live band Saturday night, easy ride home
Sunday. BA had a hoot last time went to Mudgee so please join us. 3
and 5 bike ride, 2 routes available.

A full ride information package will be sent to all bookings.

Cheers Hughsy

I price would be an idea!

$9000 VNeg

Hey all, been a while..catch up will you all soon.

___________________

My mate is selling bike due to some financial committments.

I have added the PIC to the 4SALE gallery folder for viewing

1999 Red Honda CBR1000F

IMMACULATE CONDITION!!!! (As original)

8 mths rego

24000k Highway kms

New front Metzeler tyre

Rear gear sack rack and bag included.

Bike covers included (Seat and bike etc)

Other pics on request.

Contact me on 0415987927 or seller Jon on 0407701828

Leathers are not designed to keep you warm or dry, they keep your skin on your
bones when you hit the bitumen.  Dryrider pants are designed to keep you warm
and dry with there gortex exterior and winter linings inside that are usually
removeable in summer.  They will also provide reasonably good protection if you
come off but not as good as good leathers.

Steve <sullosau@...> wrote:Hi boys n girls,
having recently dusted off the lawnmower (zzr)whilst car was off the
road and rode to work recently at 5.20am from western sydney to
eastern sydney and froze parts of my anatomy that I'd rather not
mention I was curious whats warmer leathers or the dri rider style
riding pants. I know theres lined dri rider style ones about but is
leather any better?
Anyone whos tried both....

Glad Im back in the ute again now thou!
Any help suggestions appreciated

Steve
Lover of all things Kawasaki
and i checked the kwaka website, no warm riding pants there either




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Super bike ace Wayne Clark will be the guest speaker at DeNiros on
Thursday 18th August 2005. Wayne is happy to answer any questions you
may have concerning racing or rider safety and he has kindly donated 2
Advance Rider courses valued at $320 each (we will raffle one and
auctioning the other).

NOTE: Bookings are essential as numbers are strictly limited. Bookings
can be made by contacting Ducati_lass@...

Location: DeNiros Pizzeria Ristorante, Shp4/ 90 Mount St North Sydney
Time: 7pm for 7:30pm start

Cheers, Robyn aka Ducati Lass
BA Social Secretary

Andrew, I first saw one of these in Bathurst a couple of years back
and have been looking ever since.
Met a bloke at Mt White  afew weeks back that had one and he was from
Orange. He told me that the bike shops around Orange Bathurst etc all
sell them and they are legal.
I guess us folks from the city are behind the times on this one.
But on a different tack, met another bloke the same day at Mt White
and he had his label affixed to his screen on the LH side.
He said that he had been pulled over for it and when asked why it was
there he told the cop that it was in the same place as HP car thje
cop was driving. The cop shrugged and drove away.
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--- In bikers_anon@..., Andrew XJ750
<andrewxj750@y...> wrote:
> Hi Guys
> I saw a bike the other day with a rego label rolled inside a clear
plastic tube sealed and attached accross  the bottom of the number
plate, you could see most of the information on the label as the tube
was about the diameter of a 20c piece. Has any one seen this
before  , is it legal ??  It looked OK , quite tidy.
>
> The bike was a green yamaha 1200 from Lithgow  by the dealers
sticker on it.
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> Regards AndrewXJ750
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http://www.sandstorming.com/index.php/2005/08/250-kmh-crash-pictures/

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Delete now. If you think this information has merit, use it. If you want
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From: "UNCLE DAMIEN" <uncle.d@...> To: The Melbourne Herald
Sun hsletters@... and The Age letters@... . Sent:
Saturday, July 30, 2005 2:55 PM Subject: YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.


The Monash University Accident Research Centre report recommending the
motorbike & scooter licence age be raised to 21 across Australia is bad
science. Buyers set terms of reference and usually get what they pay for.

If the aim of MUARC's study was to reduce road casualties then reducing
our exposure to single-occupant car drivers would work better and help
the environment. If the aim was to show that driving a car improves
rider skill and alertness, then a study of car drivers, one group with
bike experience, one without, over 5 years (?), would have been more
credible. It could have shown car drivers who ride bikes are safer. Good
science might say bike licences should be available before car licences.

In spite of increased restrictions and taxes motorbikes & scooters have
been growing in popularity for two decades. More than 280,000 Victorians
hold bike licences and pay road taxes. Machines and safety gear have
improved hugely over 20 years making riding the safest and greenest it's
ever been.

The Motorcycle Riders Association wrote. "It is immediately apparent
from an initial study of the full report that the aim is not to produce
safer riders - but to produce fewer riders." Reducing the number of
pedestrians and bicyclists reduces the road toll too.  Considering
under-reporting of bicycle crashes, restrictive regulations and taxes
should be appropriate for them too.

Most cars carry just one person, many on unnecessary trips. The prime
cause of all road trauma is car driver error. Reduce unnecessary,
single-occupant car trips and have a relatively large impact on
vulnerable road user casualties. That is, fewer hurt pedestrians,
bicyclists, motorbike and scooter riders.

The world warms, our roads are car parks and honoured research
establishments are wasting resources on reducing the public's exposure
to motorbikes & scooters. Better, fairer and cheaper in the long run to
adopt a bicycle-type policy for commuter cycles to reduce road trauma
while improving the environment.

Damien Codognotto OAM MRA Life Member. Ulysses Club 21208. Tel: 03 9846
8621. www.nmcins.com.au


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yeah, seen that - I personally thought it looked butt ugly. Could only be
pulled off on a cruiser style bike.
  I have my label sideways in the holder, so the label holder is actually
only half size - the rest of the holder is hidden away.. Suits me fine and
looks tidier.


  On 01/08/05, Andrew XJ750 <andrewxj750@...> wrote:
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> Hi Guys
> I saw a bike the other day with a rego label rolled inside a clear plastic
> tube sealed and attached accross the bottom of the number plate, you could
> see most of the information on the label as the tube was about the diameter
> of a 20c piece. Has any one seen this before , is it legal ?? It looked OK ,
> quite tidy.
>
> The bike was a green yamaha 1200 from Lithgow by the dealers sticker on
> it.
>
> Coments anyone
> Regards AndrewXJ750
>
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Hi Guys
I saw a bike the other day with a rego label rolled inside a clear plastic tube
sealed and attached accross  the bottom of the number plate, you could see most
of the information on the label as the tube was about the diameter of a 20c
piece. Has any one seen this before  , is it legal ??  It looked OK , quite
tidy.

The bike was a green yamaha 1200 from Lithgow  by the dealers sticker on it.

Coments anyone
Regards AndrewXJ750


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Hi Dave,

If it's got a bash plate fitted you'll find that most of the engine noise is
rebounding off that. Whenever I ride my DR650 on the road I remove the bash
plate for that reason. These big singles are almost bullet proof, but even if
you need to do some work on it, the costs are much less than a multi cylinder.

Peter.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: dmalal40
   To: bikers_anon@...
   Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:19 PM
   Subject: [bikers_anon] Rattly Chook Chaser ?


   Peoples,
   I'm looking for advice re KLR650 - '88 model. I'm looking at one that
   would appear to be a good honest bike, no smoke, loads of grunt, starts
   easy from cold, no knocking under load, all the usual things check out,
   however the engine is rather 'noisy' sort of rattly and knocky I know
   that not a good description.... I'm told noisy engines are
   characteristics of these bikes (I think KLR's in general?) any advice
   would be appreciated..

   I will talk to my mechanic as well but it's good to reach people that
   may have or still own one??


   Thanks,,
   Dave M (VN1600)





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They are a single cyl thumper arent they?
  how many KMs? Piston slap?

  On 01/08/05, dmalal40 <dmalal40@...> wrote:
>
> Peoples,
> I'm looking for advice re KLR650 - '88 model. I'm looking at one that
> would appear to be a good honest bike, no smoke, loads of grunt, starts
> easy from cold, no knocking under load, all the usual things check out,
> however the engine is rather 'noisy' sort of rattly and knocky I know
> that not a good description.... I'm told noisy engines are
> characteristics of these bikes (I think KLR's in general?) any advice
> would be appreciated..
>
> I will talk to my mechanic as well but it's good to reach people that
> may have or still own one??
>
>
> Thanks,,
> Dave M (VN1600)
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Peoples,
I'm looking for advice re KLR650 - '88 model. I'm looking at one that
would appear to be a good honest bike, no smoke, loads of grunt, starts
easy from cold, no knocking under load, all the usual things check out,
however the engine is rather 'noisy' sort of rattly and knocky I know
that not a good description.... I'm told noisy engines are
characteristics of these bikes (I think KLR's in general?) any advice
would be appreciated..

I will talk to my mechanic as well but it's good to reach people that
may have or still own one??


Thanks,,
Dave M (VN1600)