One of these days i'll make it along to another BA ride to re join, but Sundays
are bad for me. I hope i'm not treading on anyones toes by posting here, but
i've organised a couple of September rides if anyone from BA would like to join
in. Both rides are Saturdays, the 6th and 20th and either 4 or 5 bike rides.
This Sat 6th it's Sofala via Oberon, and the 20th RNP, KV, Goulburn, Oberon,
BLOR.

If someone from the committee gives me the OK i'll post details of both rides.

Cheers,
Peter.


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Graham C.
   To: bikers_anon@...
   Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 8:58 AM
   Subject: [bikers_anon] Itinerary for September Rides


   Hey Andre, wondering if you can advise when you will be putting the
   September itinerary for club rides up on the "Bikers Anon" website.
   Waiting in anticipation.






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I'd just like to record my thanks for Andre's work in organising the
track day.  Great fun, and good cameraderie.  I lost a toe slider too.
Sadly, it was when I tripped going up the stairs.  What a disgrace.
Alex

Saturday, 13 September, 2008 - its our social night and were having a
campfire at a property in Ingleside - hope you and your friends can
join us for an intimate night of laughs and unplugged entertainment.
BYOG and its a BBQ so bring something to cook, and a plate to share if
you want.  For directions contact Sue on 040402 4842 or send email to
sue@... or fax 9940 1224 - Sue Sprig

Another fun day at the track, even though the start was like riding on
a iceskating rink, by the time the track dried out at lunch, it was an
awesome afternoon of riding - great to see many tired, exhausted and
grinning faces on our riders!  You just cant beat a track grin...good
to see the Bikers Anon banner and a full garage.  Thanks Andre for
organsing this.

I have a tube on my bike and they are great - A friend of mine makes
these upmarket tubes -  visit the website www.regoprotube.com.au or
contact Jeffrey:  0414973828. $48.00 - you can get the Bullet or the
Piston. - Registration label holders CNC lathed billet aluminium ends,
laser cut 3mm black anodized brackets UV safe Perspex tubing with
Orings, (water/dust proof) Anodised in black, blue red and gold or
polished silver models. 2 styles to chose from. - Australian made and
owned.  or email  info@...
Sue Sprig

Hey Andre, wondering if you can advise when you will be putting the
September itinerary for club rides up on the "Bikers Anon" website.
Waiting in anticipation.

Hi Everyone,

I went down to Eastern Creek today just to say hello and to have a look
around so didn't ride on the track this time, the track itself looked
challenging with the wet conditions in the morning but just before I
headed for home it looked like it would probably dry out for the
afternoon, so hope you all had a great day!

Here is the link for some photos that I took:
http://au.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bikers_anon/photos/browse/df37

Paul (Kwak Z1000 Blue)

We had a great day out there yesterday (30th), the weather held out well for
us. A fair few offs during the day, including one of our crew.  But i took
Dave's advice and stayed in 3rd pretty much the entire time (with the
exception of the back straight) which made a huge difference to my corner
lines and corner speed.



i think it's probably time to get organised and do superbike skool!







M1

07R1







From: bikers_anon@... [mailto:bikers_anon@...]
On Behalf Of joystick@...
Sent: Friday, 29 August 2008 9:24 PM
To: bikers_anon@...
Subject: RE: [bikers_anon] BA track day at Eastern Creek - 31st August



Hey there BA track day enthusiasts,

We've got a total of 18 riders booked into Sunday's track day. On arrival at
the 2nd gate, give your name and you'll be directed to our reserved pit
garage area. Make sure you get there nice and early (before 7:45am) so that
there is plenty of time to register and get your bike through scrutineering.
There is a rider briefing at 8:40am and C group is first on the track at
9:00am.

I recommend that you bring (or get your friends to bring for you) the
following items to make your day more enjoyable:

1) A chair,

2) Water & snack food

3) Extra fuel

4) Change of clothes + warm clothes + hat

5) Tools

6) Spare bits for your bike

7) Wet weather riding gear and a towel

The weather isn't looking too good for Sunday at this stage so be prepared
for a few wet sessions in the morning and hopefully it'll clear up during
the day.

Spectators are more than welcome. You get free entry to the track and pit
area so why not come along and show your support.

See you at the track,

Andre

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It's a fine which I would challenge in court. Perhaps the retail
versions have a tube of small circumference but the one I make up from
PVC tube from Bunnings has a larger viewing area.

Magistrate can decide whether a crappy cracked rego holder, containing
a cracked, moisture- and dust-damaged rego sticker, mounted by one
flimsy bolt to the side of the swingarm is more visible than a tube
mounted adjacent to the number plate clearly displaying expiry year
and month.

--- In bikers_anon@..., "mcolly66" <mcolly66@...> wrote:
>
>  Well done again the BA Brains TRUST,and thanks to everyone that
> responded, as usual my question has been more than answered. Seems to
> be a good subject of contention, at the moment.So it's a fine and no
> points lost, good, them I might get one. Because they do look good in
> my opinion.
> Thanks again, every responce was useful and informative.
>                                           Regards Michael.
>

Can make these tubes up for next to nothing:-

Perfect task for a rainy Sunday like today:-

Bunnings or Clark Rubber shopping list:

1) PVC Clear tube  cut to size, prob minimum one metre so make some
for yr friends :-)
2) chair/table leg ends cap thingos to suit above (plastic or rubber)
Clark Rubber had a HUGE selection compared with Bunnings

3) plastic tiewraps....black

Roll rego label and place in tube, place caps on each end, make two
adjacent incisions (ie..holes) in caps and thread through tie wrap at
each end then make incision in rear mudguard below or above number
plate and attach tiewraps.

When it comes time to replace label...cut/replace one tiewrap.

The label will be:
a) waterproof
b) clearly visible (and the tube can be spun between the end caps to
show all details as needed, but importantly the Year/Month expiry is
clearly visible.
c) very secure, compared with nutsnboltsnwashers
d) compact and neat

Those plastic rego holders are none of the above and also tend to go
brittle...plus a pain to fit neatly...if anywhere.



--- In bikers_anon@..., "mcolly66" <mcolly66@...> wrote:
>
> Hello, I was looking at these, Regotubes, for rego labels.And as I'm
> told their not legal, I was curious as to how many people that have
> them,and have been harrassed or worse fined? And how much is the fine,
> and does it have any demerit points?
> Apparently, MCA parramtta, had a visit from the hwy patrol and they
> reckon their's a memo for them to crack down on these label holders.
>                                        Regards Michael.
>                                                 (MT01)
>   P.S My label holder was bolted to the number plate, and has vibrated
> so much, it cracked a peice out of my plate and fell off somewhere! Doh
>

Clearing out the garage...

ex race tyres, perfect for a ride day, plenty of 'tread' left.

Rears:
3 x Bridgestone Racing Battlax 190/645 R17

Fronts:
1 x Bridgestone Racing Battlax 120/600 R17
1 x Bridgestone Racing Battlax 125/600 R17
1 x Dunlop 120/70 R17 KR106

these have been used on a Ducati 748 and 916 race bike, so should fit
a bunch of other sports bikes

all offers considered

Hey there BA track day enthusiasts,



We've got a total of 18 riders booked into Sunday's track day. On arrival at
the 2nd gate, give your name and you'll be directed to our reserved pit
garage area. Make sure you get there nice and early (before 7:45am) so that
there is plenty of time to register and get your bike through scrutineering.
There is a rider briefing at 8:40am and C group is first on the track at
9:00am.



I recommend that you bring (or get your friends to bring for you) the
following items to make your day more enjoyable:

1) A chair,

2) Water & snack food

3) Extra fuel

4) Change of clothes + warm clothes + hat

5) Tools

6) Spare bits for your bike

7) Wet weather riding gear and a towel



The weather isn't looking too good for Sunday at this stage so be prepared
for a few wet sessions in the morning and hopefully it'll clear up during
the day.



Spectators are more than welcome. You get free entry to the track and pit
area so why not come along and show your support.



See you at the track,

Andre





















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One must remember the labels are in colour, and you can see the
colour throught the tube very clearly, also I always make sure the
year is showning .........

Just as long as we dont have to put number plates back on the front
fender.....I'll be very glad  :-)

Enjoy Eastern Creek, You lucky ppl who are going, some of us have to
work...bugger, not fair  :-(

TC


--- In bikers_anon@..., Shane Kelly <shanek@...> wrote:
>
>
> Maybe the answer is to move the numberplate to the swingarm as well?
>
> To: bikers_anon@...: beastyvfr@...: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:30:29
+1000Subject: RE: FW: [bikers_anon] Re: Regotube?????
>
>
>
>
> Technically the rego label is supposed to be "as close as
practicallypossible" to the rear numberplate (so I was told many
moons ago by the RTA).The swingarm has been a popular location for
the rego label as it is notlikely to be too exposed to the elements
(namely sunshine) to fade/crack therego label holder. The regotube
does actually move the label as close aspossible to the numberplate,
but does make it more difficult to read from adistance. So what it
gains in proximity, it loses in visibility.All this talk makes me
think someone somewhere hasn't got enough real workto do.--- Beasty --
- From: bikers_anon@...
[mailto:bikers_anon@...]On Behalf Of Jason HookerSent:
Friday, 29 August 2008 10:13 AMTo: bikers_anon@...: Re: FW:
[bikers_anon] Re: Regotube?????Interestingly, when I bought a new
bike several years ago, the rego-stickerwas mounted on the swing-arm.
So my excuse will forever be "that's how itcame from the shop when it
was brand new".Whether they let that one go or not is yet to be seen.-
  j.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> It's simple! Sell your car for just $40 at CarPoint.com.au
> http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%
2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%
5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Maybe the answer is to move the numberplate to the swingarm as well?

To: bikers_anon@...: beastyvfr@...: Fri, 29 Aug
2008 10:30:29 +1000Subject: RE: FW: [bikers_anon] Re: Regotube?????




Technically the rego label is supposed to be "as close as practicallypossible"
to the rear numberplate (so I was told many moons ago by the RTA).The swingarm
has been a popular location for the rego label as it is notlikely to be too
exposed to the elements (namely sunshine) to fade/crack therego label holder.
The regotube does actually move the label as close aspossible to the
numberplate, but does make it more difficult to read from adistance. So what it
gains in proximity, it loses in visibility.All this talk makes me think someone
somewhere hasn't got enough real workto do.--- Beasty --- From:
bikers_anon@... [mailto:bikers_anon@...]On Behalf
Of Jason HookerSent: Friday, 29 August 2008 10:13 AMTo:
bikers_anon@...: Re: FW: [bikers_anon] Re:
Regotube?????Interestingly, when I bought a new bike several years ago, the
rego-stickerwas mounted on the swing-arm. So my excuse will forever be "that's
how itcame from the shop when it was brand new".Whether they let that one go or
not is yet to be seen.- j.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





_________________________________________________________________
It's simple! Sell your car for just $40 at CarPoint.com.au
http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom\
%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F8596\
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Well done again the BA Brains TRUST,and thanks to everyone that
responded, as usual my question has been more than answered. Seems to
be a good subject of contention, at the moment.So it's a fine and no
points lost, good, them I might get one. Because they do look good in
my opinion.
Thanks again, every responce was useful and informative.
                                           Regards Michael.

Hi folks,

Exerpts below taken from ROAD TRANSPORT (VEHICLE REGISTRATION) REGULATION
2007 (was current at 9 May 2008) relating to rego labels.

If you accept that a motorcycle does not have a windscreen, then the label
must be fixed "on or adjacent to the vehicle?s rear number-plate in such
a manner that the characters on the number-plate are not obscured" and "so
that the information on the label is readable from the outside of the vehicle".

The relevant offence provision seems to be "if the vehicle is used on a road
or in a road related area .. with the registration label obscured, defaced,
or otherwise not legible, or not displayed or affixed in accordance with
this Regulation".

Based on this it would suggest that rego tubes fixed below the number plate
should be fine DEPENDING on the interpretation of "obscured" and "legible"
(which I couldn't find anywhere ...).

Also, I guess it could be argued that the swing-arm is "adjacent" to the
number plate 'though I couldn't find a definition for that either.  Having
said that, I have been pulled over and cautioned because my bike also has
an exhaust pipe down that side which "obscures" my label.  In this context
"obscure" means "I couldn't see a label on your bike as you rode past me
but I can see it perfectly well now that I have pulled up [on the inside]
next to you. Please move it so that we don't have to chase you next time".

Cheers,

Peter

===========================

Road Transport (Vehicle Registration) Act 1997

ROAD TRANSPORT (VEHICLE REGISTRATION) REGULATION 2007

- As at 9 May 2008

- Act 522 of 2007



PART 2 - REGISTRATION PROCESS

Division 4 - Registration documents

16 Registration labels
      (1) If the Authority registers a registrable vehicle it must issue a
      registration label.
      (2) A registration label:
           (a) issued in respect of a motor vehicle (other than a
           motor vehicle referred to in paragraph (b)) must include:
                (i) the registration number of the vehicle, and
                (ii) its make, and
                (iii) its model or body type (whichever is the
                more descriptive), and
                (iv) its VIN or, if there is no VIN, any chassis
                number and engine number, and
                (v) the expiry date of the vehicle?s
                registration, and
                (vi) if the vehicle is conditionally
                registered?the conditions to which registration
                of the vehicle is subject, in coded form, and
                (vii) the vehicle?s GVM (if applicable to the
                vehicle concerned), and
                (viii) the vehicle?s GCM (if applicable to the
                vehicle concerned), and
                (ix) if the vehicle is a heavy vehicle?the
                applicable charging category for the vehicle
                under the Road Transport (Heavy Vehicles
                Registration Charges) Act 1995 in coded form, or
           (b) issued in respect of a trailer or a motor vehicle
           without a windscreen or fixed windows must be in a form
           approved by the Authority.
           Note: In relation to subclause (2) (a) (vi) and (ix), a
           list of codes is available from the Authority.
           A registered operator will receive full written explanation
           of the conditions applying to the vehicle when the
           registration label is issued.
      (3) A registration label must be affixed:
           (a) in the case of a motor vehicle fitted with a windscreen
           or fixed windows:
                (i) to the lower left (or near side) portion of
                the front windscreen, or
                (ii) to any fixed window on the left (or near)
                side of the vehicle, and
           (b) in the case of a caravan or other trailer:
                (i) on or adjacent to the vehicle?s number-
                plate in such a manner that the characters on the
                number-plate are not obscured, or
                (ii) if the vehicle has a fixed rear window or a
                hinged rear window that is to be closed when the
                caravan or other trailer is being towed?to that
                window, in a location as close as possible to the
                vehicle?s number-plate, and
           (c) in any other case?on or adjacent to the vehicle?s
           rear number-plate in such a manner that the characters on
           the number-plate are not obscured.
      (4) Despite subclause (3), the registration label must be affixed so
      that the information on the label is readable from the outside of the
      vehicle.
      (5) Despite subclause (1), the Authority is not required to issue a
      registration label in respect of a registrable vehicle that is
      operated by a State or Territory or the Commonwealth or by an
      authority of a State or Territory or the Commonwealth.
      (6) On payment of any applicable gazetted fee, the Authority may
      issue a replacement registration label to the person in whose name a
      registrable vehicle is registered if the Authority is satisfied that
      the original registration label is lost, stolen, damaged or
      destroyed.



PART 7 - MISCELLANEOUS

Division 1 - Offences

85 Number-plate and registration certificate and label offences
      (1) The driver of a registrable vehicle is guilty of an offence if
      the vehicle is used on a road or in a road related area:
           (a) with a number-plate affixed that was not issued by the
           Authority or was not issued for that vehicle, or
           (b) with the registration label obscured, defaced, or
           otherwise not legible, or not displayed or affixed in
           accordance with this Regulation, or
           (c) with a registration label that has expired.
           Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.
      (2) The driver of a registrable vehicle is guilty of an offence if
      the vehicle is used on a road or in a road related area displaying:
           (a) an altered number-plate or registration label, or
           (b) the representation of a number-plate or registration
           label:
                (i) other than a number-plate or registration
                label issued in accordance with this Regulation
                or another law, and
                (ii) that is likely to be mistaken for a number-
                plate or registration label displayed in
                accordance with this Regulation.
           Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.
      (3) The registered operator of a registrable vehicle (other than the
      driver of the vehicle) used in contravention of subclause (1) or (2)
      is also guilty of an offence if it is proved that the operator
      caused, permitted, allowed or failed to take reasonable precautions
      to prevent the contravention.
           Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.
      (4) This clause does not apply to the use of trader?s plates.

Given that these tubes are sold so widely and the question about their legality
often appears on forums (fora, forii??) you'd think it shouldn't be difficult
to obtain an "official" (ie. police) opinion (in writing) in regards to their
acceptability.

Seems it would be a good service all 'round to clarify the confusion (for
riders and enforcement officers).

Cheers,

Peter

>-- Original Message --
>To: bikers_anon@...
>From: "mcolly66" <mcolly66@...>
>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:57:16 -0000
>Subject: [bikers_anon] Regotube?????
>
>
>Hello, I was looking at these, Regotubes, for rego labels.And as I'm
>told their not legal, I was curious as to how many people that have
>them,and have been harrassed or worse fined? And how much is the fine,
>and does it have any demerit points?
>Apparently, MCA parramtta, had a visit from the hwy patrol and they
>reckon their's a memo for them to crack down on these label holders.
>                                       Regards Michael.
>                                                (MT01)
>  P.S My label holder was bolted to the number plate, and has vibrated
>so much, it cracked a peice out of my plate and fell off somewhere! Doh
>
>

Technically the rego label is supposed to be "as close as practically
possible" to the rear numberplate (so I was told many moons ago by the RTA).



The swingarm has been a popular location for the rego label as it is not
likely to be too exposed to the elements (namely sunshine) to fade/crack the
rego label holder. The regotube does actually move the label as close as
possible to the numberplate, but does make it more difficult to read from a
distance. So what it gains in proximity, it loses in visibility.



All this talk makes me think someone somewhere hasn't got enough real work
to do.



--- Beasty ---

From: bikers_anon@... [mailto:bikers_anon@...]
On Behalf Of Jason Hooker
Sent: Friday, 29 August 2008 10:13 AM
To: bikers_anon@...
Subject: Re: FW: [bikers_anon] Re: Regotube?????



Interestingly, when I bought a new bike several years ago, the rego-sticker
was mounted on the swing-arm. So my excuse will forever be "that's how it
came from the shop when it was brand new".

Whether they let that one go or not is yet to be seen.

- j.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Interestingly, when I bought a new bike several years ago, the rego-sticker
was mounted on the swing-arm. So my excuse will forever be "that's how it
came from the shop when it was brand new".

Whether they let that one go or not is yet to be seen.

- j.



2008/8/29 Sean Hawley <sphawley@...>

>   .... particularly now that they seem to all have in-car access to
> license and rego details. If they have a numberplate they can check
> if youre payed up. Ive been pulled up with another BAer (RBT) and we
> were both missing our rego labels (mine had fallen off and the other
> was actually there, but not visible) and the cop noticed, looked our
> regos up on the system, and let us off because we were payed up.
>
> Im almost certain that the tube things are illegal. The whole point
> being that the police have to be able easily tell if the label is
> current without having to pull you over. However, many bikes have the
> rego sticker mounted on the swingarm which is also illegal.
>
> BTW most cops only know a limited amount about the laws they are
> suppose to enforce. Just because 1 (or 2, or 10, or 100) cops dont
> book you doesnt mean something is legal.
>
> Sean
>
> --- In bikers_anon@... <bikers_anon%40yahoogroups.com.au>,
> Shane Kelly <shanek@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Seems to me that the rego label is pointless these days anyway.
> When you pay on the net there is no "official receipt" stamp, you
> have to write a number on the label. The police do not know whether
> or not this is valid without checking so what is the use??
> >
> > Shane
> >
> >
> >
> > To: bikers_anon@...: tonycag@...: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:59:03
> +0000Subject: [bikers_anon] Re: Regotube?????
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,The only way I can answer that question is simply THIS .....My
> last rego check..... passed with flying colours and one wouldexpect
> the person authoriesed (RTA)to inspect motorvehicles would know the
> current laws as they are held liable if they pass you and your
> vehicle is not right.............. ??I have had Police including Hwy
> Patrol on my ass and never been pulled over for my rego tube...... My
> vote..... MythCheersTC ( old blue Gixxer )--- In
> bikers_anon@... <bikers_anon%40yahoogroups.com.au>, "mark"
> <mark.townsend@> wrote:>> I
> got hassled once ¨C DD weekend and all.> > > > Anyway, the cop told
> me it was illegal because rego label wasn¡¯t clearly> visible. I
> asked him could he see it ¡­ and he said yes, so I said well it> must
> be visible.> > > > He got his first rule book out (brief version) and
> showed me the rule:-> ¡°must be visible¡± --> can¡¯t fine me then can
> you?> > > > The he got his humungous got all of the rules in detail
> book out (which,> mind you he had to remove from the original plastic
> wrapping. He sat in his> car for about 10 minutes to find the rule
> and showed me ¨C ¡°said something> like visible or clearly visible¡±
> ¨C it doesn¡¯t mention from how many> metres, etc. So I said he
> can¡¯t book me. He said he could still book me if> he wanted to, but
> let me off anyway. If he could have booked me he would> have. Visible
> is visble in my opinion.> > > > As an everyday rider in all
> conditions, if you use the old 2 bob plastic> rego label holders then
> after a couple of months you can¡¯t read anything on> the label
> anyway ¡­ so could they book you in this case???> > > > zxxx12r ¡­ who
> hasn¡¯t been hassled by the cops in over 3 months because> they
> can¡¯t find me in China !!!> > > > ps- probably just another urban
> myth.> > > > > > _____ > > From:
bikers_anon@...<bikers_anon%40yahoogroups.com.au>
> [mailto:bikers_anon@... <bikers_anon%40yahoogroups.com.au>]>
> On Behalf Of mcolly66> Sent:
> 2008Äê8ÔÂ28ÈÕ 17:57> To:
bikers_anon@...<bikers_anon%40yahoogroups.com.au>>
> Subject:
> [bikers_anon] Regotube?????> > > > Hello, I was looking at these,
> Regotubes, for rego labels.And as I'm > told their not legal, I was
> curious as to how many people that have > them,and have been
> harrassed or worse fined? And how much is the fine, > and does it
> have any demerit points?> Apparently, MCA parramtta, had a visit from
> the hwy patrol and they > reckon their's a memo for them to crack
> down on these label holders.> Regards Michael.> (MT01) > P.S My label
> holder was bolted to the number plate, and has vibrated > so much, it
> cracked a peice out of my plate and fell off somewhere! Doh> > > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> > Shout your Messenger buddies to the movies
> > http://www.livelife.ninemsn.com.au/compIntro.aspx?compId=4590
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


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.... particularly now that they seem to all have in-car access to
license and rego details. If they have a numberplate they can check
if youre payed up. Ive been pulled up with another BAer (RBT) and we
were both missing our rego labels (mine had fallen off and the other
was actually there, but not visible) and the cop noticed, looked our
regos up on the system, and let us off because we were payed up.

Im almost certain that the tube things are illegal. The whole point
being that the police have to be able easily tell if the label is
current without having to pull you over. However, many bikes have the
rego sticker mounted on the swingarm which is also illegal.

BTW most cops only know a limited amount about the laws they are
suppose to enforce. Just because 1 (or 2, or 10, or 100) cops dont
book you doesnt mean something is legal.

Sean

--- In bikers_anon@..., Shane Kelly <shanek@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Seems to me that the rego label is pointless these days anyway.
When you pay on the net there is no "official receipt" stamp, you
have to write a number on the label. The police do not know whether
or not this is valid without checking so what is the use??
>
> Shane
>
>
>
> To: bikers_anon@...: tonycag@...: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:59:03
+0000Subject: [bikers_anon] Re: Regotube?????
>
>
>
>
> Hi,The only way I can answer that question is simply THIS .....My
last rego check..... passed with flying colours and one wouldexpect
the person authoriesed (RTA)to inspect motorvehicles would know the
current laws as they are held liable if they pass you and your
vehicle is not right.............. ??I have had Police including Hwy
Patrol on my ass and never been pulled over for my rego tube...... My
vote..... MythCheersTC ( old blue Gixxer )--- In
bikers_anon@..., "mark" <mark.townsend@> wrote:>> I
got hassled once ¨C DD weekend and all.> > > > Anyway, the cop told
me it was illegal because rego label wasn¡¯t clearly> visible. I
asked him could he see it ¡­ and he said yes, so I said well it> must
be visible.> > > > He got his first rule book out (brief version) and
showed me the rule:-> ¡°must be visible¡± --> can¡¯t fine me then can
you?> > > > The he got his humungous got all of the rules in detail
book out (which,> mind you he had to remove from the original plastic
wrapping. He sat in his> car for about 10 minutes to find the rule
and showed me ¨C ¡°said something> like visible or clearly visible¡±
¨C it doesn¡¯t mention from how many> metres, etc. So I said he
can¡¯t book me. He said he could still book me if> he wanted to, but
let me off anyway. If he could have booked me he would> have. Visible
is visble in my opinion.> > > > As an everyday rider in all
conditions, if you use the old 2 bob plastic> rego label holders then
after a couple of months you can¡¯t read anything on> the label
anyway ¡­ so could they book you in this case???> > > > zxxx12r ¡­ who
hasn¡¯t been hassled by the cops in over 3 months because> they
can¡¯t find me in China !!!> > > > ps- probably just another urban
myth.> > > > > > _____ > > From: bikers_anon@...
[mailto:bikers_anon@...]> On Behalf Of mcolly66> Sent:
2008Äê8ÔÂ28ÈÕ 17:57> To: bikers_anon@...> Subject:
[bikers_anon] Regotube?????> > > > Hello, I was looking at these,
Regotubes, for rego labels.And as I'm > told their not legal, I was
curious as to how many people that have > them,and have been
harrassed or worse fined? And how much is the fine, > and does it
have any demerit points?> Apparently, MCA parramtta, had a visit from
the hwy patrol and they > reckon their's a memo for them to crack
down on these label holders.> Regards Michael.> (MT01) > P.S My label
holder was bolted to the number plate, and has vibrated > so much, it
cracked a peice out of my plate and fell off somewhere! Doh> > > > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Shout your Messenger buddies to the movies
> http://www.livelife.ninemsn.com.au/compIntro.aspx?compId=4590
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi,

Seems to me that the rego label is pointless these days anyway. When you pay on
the net there is no "official receipt" stamp, you have to write a number on the
label. The police do not know whether or not this is valid without checking so
what is the use??

Shane



To: bikers_anon@...: tonycag@...: Thu, 28 Aug
2008 20:59:03 +0000Subject: [bikers_anon] Re: Regotube?????




Hi,The only way I can answer that question is simply THIS .....My last rego
check..... passed with flying colours and one wouldexpect the person authoriesed
(RTA)to inspect motorvehicles would know the current laws as they are held
liable if they pass you and your vehicle is not right.............. ??I have had
Police including Hwy Patrol on my ass and never been pulled over for my rego
tube...... My vote..... MythCheersTC ( old blue Gixxer )--- In
bikers_anon@..., "mark" <mark.townsend@...> wrote:>> I got
hassled once ¨C DD weekend and all.> > > > Anyway, the cop told me it was
illegal because rego label wasn¡¯t clearly> visible. I asked him could he see it
¡­ and he said yes, so I said well it> must be visible.> > > > He got his first
rule book out (brief version) and showed me the rule:-> ¡°must be visible¡± -->
can¡¯t fine me then can you?> > > > The he got his humungous got all of the
rules in detail book out (which,> mind you he had to remove from the original
plastic wrapping. He sat in his> car for about 10 minutes to find the rule and
showed me ¨C ¡°said something> like visible or clearly visible¡± ¨C it doesn¡¯t
mention from how many> metres, etc. So I said he can¡¯t book me. He said he
could still book me if> he wanted to, but let me off anyway. If he could have
booked me he would> have. Visible is visble in my opinion.> > > > As an everyday
rider in all conditions, if you use the old 2 bob plastic> rego label holders
then after a couple of months you can¡¯t read anything on> the label anyway ¡­
so could they book you in this case???> > > > zxxx12r ¡­ who hasn¡¯t been
hassled by the cops in over 3 months because> they can¡¯t find me in China !!!>
> > > ps- probably just another urban myth.> > > > > > _____ > > From:
bikers_anon@... [mailto:bikers_anon@...]> On
Behalf Of mcolly66> Sent: 2008Äê8ÔÂ28ÈÕ 17:57> To:
bikers_anon@...> Subject: [bikers_anon] Regotube?????> > > >
Hello, I was looking at these, Regotubes, for rego labels.And as I'm > told
their not legal, I was curious as to how many people that have > them,and have
been harrassed or worse fined? And how much is the fine, > and does it have any
demerit points?> Apparently, MCA parramtta, had a visit from the hwy patrol and
they > reckon their's a memo for them to crack down on these label holders.>
Regards Michael.> (MT01) > P.S My label holder was bolted to the number plate,
and has vibrated > so much, it cracked a peice out of my plate and fell off
somewhere! Doh> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
removed]>





_________________________________________________________________
Shout your Messenger buddies to the movies
http://www.livelife.ninemsn.com.au/compIntro.aspx?compId=4590

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi,

The only way I can answer that question is simply THIS .....
My last rego check..... passed with flying colours and one would
expect the person authoriesed (RTA)to inspect motorvehicles would
know the current laws as they are held liable if they pass you and
your vehicle is not right.............. ??

I have had Police including Hwy Patrol on my ass and never been
pulled over for my rego tube...... My vote..... Myth

Cheers

TC ( old blue Gixxer )




--- In bikers_anon@..., "mark" <mark.townsend@...>
wrote:
>
> I got hassled once ¨C DD weekend and all.
>
>
>
> Anyway, the cop told me it was illegal because rego label wasn¡¯t
clearly
> visible. I asked him could he see it ¡­ and he said yes, so I said
well it
> must be visible.
>
>
>
> He got his first rule book out (brief version) and showed me the
rule:-
> ¡°must be visible¡± --> can¡¯t fine me then can you?
>
>
>
> The he got his humungous got all of the rules in detail book out
(which,
> mind you he had to remove from the original plastic wrapping. He
sat in his
> car for about 10 minutes to find the rule and showed me ¨C ¡°said
something
> like visible or clearly visible¡± ¨C it doesn¡¯t mention from how
many
> metres, etc. So I said he can¡¯t book me. He said he could still
book me if
> he wanted to, but let me off anyway. If he could have booked me he
would
> have. Visible is visble in my opinion.
>
>
>
> As an everyday rider in all conditions, if you use the old 2 bob
plastic
> rego label holders then after a couple of months you can¡¯t read
anything on
> the label anyway ¡­ so could they book you in this case???
>
>
>
> zxxx12r ¡­ who hasn¡¯t been hassled by the cops in over 3 months
because
> they can¡¯t find me in China !!!
>
>
>
> ps- probably just another urban myth.
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: bikers_anon@...
[mailto:bikers_anon@...]
> On Behalf Of mcolly66
> Sent: 2008Äê8ÔÂ28ÈÕ 17:57
> To: bikers_anon@...
> Subject: [bikers_anon] Regotube?????
>
>
>
> Hello, I was looking at these, Regotubes, for rego labels.And as
I'm
> told their not legal, I was curious as to how many people that have
> them,and have been harrassed or worse fined? And how much is the
fine,
> and does it have any demerit points?
> Apparently, MCA parramtta, had a visit from the hwy patrol and they
> reckon their's a memo for them to crack down on these label holders.
> Regards Michael.
> (MT01)
> P.S My label holder was bolted to the number plate, and has
vibrated
> so much, it cracked a peice out of my plate and fell off somewhere!
Doh
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I got hassled once ¨C DD weekend and all.



Anyway, the cop told me it was illegal because rego label wasn¡¯t clearly
visible. I asked him could he see it ¡­ and he said yes, so I said well it
must be visible.



He got his first rule book out (brief version) and showed me the rule:-
¡°must be visible¡± --> can¡¯t fine me then can you?



The he got his humungous got all of the rules in detail book out (which,
mind you he had to remove from the original plastic wrapping. He sat in his
car for about 10 minutes to find the rule and showed me ¨C ¡°said something
like visible or clearly visible¡± ¨C it doesn¡¯t mention from how many
metres, etc. So I said he can¡¯t book me. He said he could still book me if
he wanted to, but let me off anyway. If he could have booked me he would
have. Visible is visble in my opinion.



As an everyday rider in all conditions, if you use the old 2 bob plastic
rego label holders then after a couple of months you can¡¯t read anything on
the label anyway ¡­ so could they book you in this case???



zxxx12r ¡­ who hasn¡¯t been hassled by the cops in over 3 months because
they can¡¯t find me in China !!!



ps- probably just another urban myth.





   _____

From: bikers_anon@... [mailto:bikers_anon@...]
On Behalf Of mcolly66
Sent: 2008Äê8ÔÂ28ÈÕ 17:57
To: bikers_anon@...
Subject: [bikers_anon] Regotube?????



Hello, I was looking at these, Regotubes, for rego labels.And as I'm
told their not legal, I was curious as to how many people that have
them,and have been harrassed or worse fined? And how much is the fine,
and does it have any demerit points?
Apparently, MCA parramtta, had a visit from the hwy patrol and they
reckon their's a memo for them to crack down on these label holders.
Regards Michael.
(MT01)
P.S My label holder was bolted to the number plate, and has vibrated
so much, it cracked a peice out of my plate and fell off somewhere! Doh







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello, I was looking at these, Regotubes, for rego labels.And as I'm
told their not legal, I was curious as to how many people that have
them,and have been harrassed or worse fined? And how much is the fine,
and does it have any demerit points?
Apparently, MCA parramtta, had a visit from the hwy patrol and they
reckon their's a memo for them to crack down on these label holders.
                                        Regards Michael.
                                                 (MT01)
   P.S My label holder was bolted to the number plate, and has vibrated
so much, it cracked a peice out of my plate and fell off somewhere! Doh

Peggy is selling her CBR. Sad but true!

http://www.bikepoint.com.au/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=2975105&TabID=3424

http://www.bikesales.com.au/as/search/sd.do?recIndex=11&org.apache.struts.taglib\
.html.TOKEN=f98c2e95e1492b59ce1d0cc1a17a11d3&modelID=654&makeID=37&page=0&select\
edModelIndex=39&y=10&state=2&selectedMakeIndex=34&prev

Sean that was an explanation as to why, and a rather fabled what if.  Not my
expectations of what should happen in any way shape or form.



From: bikers_anon@... [mailto:bikers_anon@...]
On Behalf Of a2r
Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2008 6:54 PM
To: bikers_anon@...
Subject: [SPAM] [bikers_anon] Re: Motorsport upgrade at the creek
possibility



I could care less if Sydney gets F1.

On the other hand you can be sure that you will only ever get to use
one of the 3 sub tracks for trackdays. The whole point of the redesign
being to allow multiple uses at the same time. Therefore you will
probably pay more money for a shorter, potentially less interesting track.

The track will NOT be setup to run in both directions. They are trying
to screw more money out of the track not less.

Sean

--- In bikers_anon@...
<mailto:bikers_anon%40yahoogroups.com.au> , "Greg" <greggyd@...> wrote:
>
> Paul the hard braking area is an F1 requirement for a Class 1 track.
> Basically the only way Sydney can get the Aus F1 off Melburkistan is to
> build or renovate to a Class 1 track.
>
> No, if they can design the run offs to allow the track to run in EITHER
> direction we could be onto something worthwhile. This would make it
a truly
> unique facility, 3 tracks in 1 that can run in both directions safely.
> Clockwise for F1, anti clockwise for bikes etc.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: bikers_anon@...
<mailto:bikers_anon%40yahoogroups.com.au>
[mailto:bikers_anon@...
<mailto:bikers_anon%40yahoogroups.com.au> ]
> On Behalf Of Paul
> Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2008 3:34 PM
> To: Bikers anon e group; ianstranni@...
> Subject: Re: [bikers_anon] Motorsport upgrade at the creek possibility
>
>
>
> Old news! ;o)
> have a look here
> http://wp.circuitclub.com.au/
> for the 90 Million they are going to spend redeveloping Eastern
creek they
> could build a very nice track somewhere else in NSW! this one looks
like it
> will be slower with not so many fast flowing corners, and who in
there right
> mind would put a hard on the brakes right turn at the end of a
straight that
> is also a corner used by Drifters? (the rumour is drifters use a
spray of
> diesel on there tyres to help them err "drift")
> Paul
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Ian Ramsay" <ianstranni@...
> <mailto:ianstranni%40yahoo.com.au> >
> Reply-To: <ianstranni@... <mailto:ianstranni%40yahoo.com.au> >
> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:00:30 +1000
>
> >
> >Re - failure of Motorplex to gain approval for a Motorsport
Facility in the
> >Port Stephens area.
> >John Cotter, President of the Australian Racing Drivers' Club which
runs
> >Eastern Creek International raceway advises - I can confirm that
the Club
> >recently commissioned Apex Circuit Design of Great Britain, which
is one of
> >the world's leading motor sport venue design companies, at a cost
of about
> >$350,000.00 to prepare a Master Plan for the redevelopment of the
Eastern
> >Creek complex.
> >
> >Clive Bowen of Apex Circuit Design, and three others of his team, spent
> >about a week in and around the facility in May gathering all of the
> >information that was needed, even down to traffic flow in the
nearby area.
> >The ARDC was also able to supply digital topographic surveys for
their use
> >so that all questions of rise and fall and camber could be addressed.
> >
> >Clive Bowen returns to Australia next Tuesday (5th August) to
present the
> >Master Plan to the ARDC Board. The ARDC Board will then the be
presenting
> >the Master Plan to Eric Roozendaal, as the direct representative of
Premier
> >Morris Iemma, on Tuesday afternoon.
> >
> >The brief to Apex Circuit Design was to maximise the potential
simultaneous
> >multiple use of the facility and to ensure that the work involved
> interferes
> >with the existing day to day operations of the facility as little as
> >possible.
> >
> >I can indicate that the word is out in Europe already that we will
have, if
> >the Government is prepared to fund the work rather than spend $30M on a
> once
> >a year Homebush Bay street circuit, one of the best facilities in the
> world,
> >and certainly in Australia, as we already have an approach from the
> >promoters of the FIA GT Championship to run a round of their 2010 World
> >Championship at Eastern Creek.
> >Regards
> >John Cotter
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The same can be said for nearly every business.  Maximise profit, minamise
expense.
The Eighties is back.  GREED IS GOOD (or should that be GOD).


Jason R.




----- Original Message ----
From: a2r <addicted2risk@...>
To: bikers_anon@...
Sent: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008 6:53:40 PM
Subject: [bikers_anon] Re: Motorsport upgrade at the creek possibility


I could care less if Sydney gets F1.

On the other hand you can be sure that you will only ever get to use
one of the 3 sub tracks for trackdays. The whole point of the redesign
being to allow multiple uses at the same time. Therefore you will
probably pay more money for a shorter, potentially less interesting track.

The track will NOT be setup to run in both directions. They are trying
to screw more money out of the track not less.

Sean

--- In bikers_anon@ yahoogroups. com.au, "Greg" <greggyd@... > wrote:
>
> Paul the hard braking area is an F1 requirement for a Class 1 track.
> Basically the only way Sydney can get the Aus F1 off Melburkistan is to
> build or renovate to a Class 1 track.
>
> No, if they can design the run offs to allow the track to run in EITHER
> direction we could be onto something worthwhile.  This would make it
a truly
> unique facility, 3 tracks in 1 that can run in both directions safely.
> Clockwise for F1, anti clockwise for bikes etc.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: bikers_anon@ yahoogroups. com.au
[mailto:bikers_anon@ yahoogroups. com.au]
> On Behalf Of Paul
> Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2008 3:34 PM
> To: Bikers anon e group; ianstranni@. ..
> Subject: Re: [bikers_anon] Motorsport upgrade at the creek possibility
>
>
>
> Old news! ;o)
> have a look here
> http://wp.circuitcl ub.com.au/
> for the 90 Million they are going to spend redeveloping Eastern
creek they
> could build a very nice track somewhere else in NSW! this one looks
like it
> will be slower with not so many fast flowing corners, and who in
there right
> mind would put a hard on the brakes right turn at the end of a
straight that
> is also a corner used by Drifters? (the rumour is drifters use a
spray of
> diesel on there tyres to help them err "drift")
> Paul
>
> ---------- Original Message ------------ --------- --------- ----
> From: "Ian Ramsay" <ianstranni@ ...
> <mailto:ianstranni% 40yahoo.com. au> >
> Reply-To: <ianstranni@ ... <mailto:ianstranni% 40yahoo.com. au> >
> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:00:30 +1000
>
> >
> >Re - failure of Motorplex to gain approval for a Motorsport
Facility in the
> >Port Stephens area.
> >John Cotter, President of the Australian Racing Drivers' Club which
runs
> >Eastern Creek International raceway advises - I can confirm that
the Club
> >recently commissioned Apex Circuit Design of Great Britain, which
is one of
> >the world's leading motor sport venue design companies, at a cost
of about
> >$350,000.00 to prepare a Master Plan for the redevelopment of the
Eastern
> >Creek complex.
> >
> >Clive Bowen of Apex Circuit Design, and three others of his team, spent
> >about a week in and around the facility in May gathering all of the
> >information that was needed, even down to traffic flow in the
nearby area.
> >The ARDC was also able to supply digital topographic surveys for
their use
> >so that all questions of rise and fall and camber could be addressed.
> >
> >Clive Bowen returns to Australia next Tuesday (5th August) to
present the
> >Master Plan to the ARDC Board. The ARDC Board will then the be
presenting
> >the Master Plan to Eric Roozendaal, as the direct representative of
Premier
> >Morris Iemma, on Tuesday afternoon.
> >
> >The brief to Apex Circuit Design was to maximise the potential
simultaneous
> >multiple use of the facility and to ensure that the work involved
> interferes
> >with the existing day to day operations of the facility as little as
> >possible.
> >
> >I can indicate that the word is out in Europe already that we will
have, if
> >the Government is prepared to fund the work rather than spend $30M on a
> once
> >a year Homebush Bay street circuit, one of the best facilities in the
> world,
> >and certainly in Australia, as we already have an approach from the
> >promoters of the FIA GT Championship to run a round of their 2010 World
> >Championship at Eastern Creek.
> >Regards
> >John Cotter
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




       Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I could care less if Sydney gets F1.

On the other hand you can be sure that you will only ever get to use
one of the 3 sub tracks for trackdays. The whole point of the redesign
being to allow multiple uses at the same time. Therefore you will
probably pay more money for a shorter, potentially less interesting track.

The track will NOT be setup to run in both directions. They are trying
to screw more money out of the track not less.

Sean

--- In bikers_anon@..., "Greg" <greggyd@...> wrote:
>
> Paul the hard braking area is an F1 requirement for a Class 1 track.
> Basically the only way Sydney can get the Aus F1 off Melburkistan is to
> build or renovate to a Class 1 track.
>
> No, if they can design the run offs to allow the track to run in EITHER
> direction we could be onto something worthwhile.  This would make it
a truly
> unique facility, 3 tracks in 1 that can run in both directions safely.
> Clockwise for F1, anti clockwise for bikes etc.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: bikers_anon@...
[mailto:bikers_anon@...]
> On Behalf Of Paul
> Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2008 3:34 PM
> To: Bikers anon e group; ianstranni@...
> Subject: Re: [bikers_anon] Motorsport upgrade at the creek possibility
>
>
>
> Old news! ;o)
> have a look here
> http://wp.circuitclub.com.au/
> for the 90 Million they are going to spend redeveloping Eastern
creek they
> could build a very nice track somewhere else in NSW! this one looks
like it
> will be slower with not so many fast flowing corners, and who in
there right
> mind would put a hard on the brakes right turn at the end of a
straight that
> is also a corner used by Drifters? (the rumour is drifters use a
spray of
> diesel on there tyres to help them err "drift")
> Paul
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Ian Ramsay" <ianstranni@...
> <mailto:ianstranni%40yahoo.com.au> >
> Reply-To: <ianstranni@... <mailto:ianstranni%40yahoo.com.au> >
> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:00:30 +1000
>
> >
> >Re - failure of Motorplex to gain approval for a Motorsport
Facility in the
> >Port Stephens area.
> >John Cotter, President of the Australian Racing Drivers' Club which
runs
> >Eastern Creek International raceway advises - I can confirm that
the Club
> >recently commissioned Apex Circuit Design of Great Britain, which
is one of
> >the world's leading motor sport venue design companies, at a cost
of about
> >$350,000.00 to prepare a Master Plan for the redevelopment of the
Eastern
> >Creek complex.
> >
> >Clive Bowen of Apex Circuit Design, and three others of his team, spent
> >about a week in and around the facility in May gathering all of the
> >information that was needed, even down to traffic flow in the
nearby area.
> >The ARDC was also able to supply digital topographic surveys for
their use
> >so that all questions of rise and fall and camber could be addressed.
> >
> >Clive Bowen returns to Australia next Tuesday (5th August) to
present the
> >Master Plan to the ARDC Board. The ARDC Board will then the be
presenting
> >the Master Plan to Eric Roozendaal, as the direct representative of
Premier
> >Morris Iemma, on Tuesday afternoon.
> >
> >The brief to Apex Circuit Design was to maximise the potential
simultaneous
> >multiple use of the facility and to ensure that the work involved
> interferes
> >with the existing day to day operations of the facility as little as
> >possible.
> >
> >I can indicate that the word is out in Europe already that we will
have, if
> >the Government is prepared to fund the work rather than spend $30M on a
> once
> >a year Homebush Bay street circuit, one of the best facilities in the
> world,
> >and certainly in Australia, as we already have an approach from the
> >promoters of the FIA GT Championship to run a round of their 2010 World
> >Championship at Eastern Creek.
> >Regards
> >John Cotter
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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