now that wouldve been funny to see, or is that just my weird sense of
humour?
L-Plater Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Taneile Stephens-Gent <taneiles@...>
To: <bikers_anon@...>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [bikers_anon] Speedo Light


>
>
> erm i guess i should have mentioned itsno theoriginal speedo... its a
> reoplacement that was found by amechanic after i put my foot thru it while
> doing a superman impersonation
>
> I have no idea which bike the speedo came from.
>
> Hence you see my difficulty...
>
> Tara
>

"Ducati lass" - could you please send me the snail address to send
the app. form to? lachlan@...
cheers,
Lachlan

OK, this is easier than trying to explain chain adjustment so bare
with it. It's always easier once you;ve done it once.

Speedo cables are generally attached at both ends with a threaded
sleeve, knurled on the outside.

Tools required is a small pair of vice grips or multigrips. Access
at the wheel end is usually easily gained and the upper end depends
on the fairing but usually can still be gained up thru the "wheel
well" or if you are lucky, from the side via under the bars.

BEFORE you remove the cable, take careful note of how the cable is
threaded through frame etc. There should be no excessive kinks/shapr
bends.

First, undo the wheel end (standard thread so lefty loosey, righty
tighty) and then you will see the end of the cable.

Check that the inner cable is the problem... if it is then the cable
will slide out and will be broken/sheared. A common failure mode.

If it pulls all the way out and the other end has a
similar "finished" end to it then the problem lies within the speedo
unit or with the bevel gears on the front wheel. But all is not
lost. Its possible the cable sleeve is loose at the upper end.
Reinsert inner cable then for the last 25.4mm or so rotate with
fingers to feel the slotted end match up in the speedo. Then check
tightness of top sleeve and try again.

My bet is the cable will be frayed/broke so a new cable/outersleeve
is required. (Yes, inner cable breaks but whole things needs to be
replaced).

As before, thread carefully and deal with the upper and lower
knurled (ie grooved) locking sleeve with the vice grip.

Regular maintenance should include some oil poured down the cable to
ensure longlife.

My vicegrips and torch are packed for Thursday BA dinner if you are
there  :-)




--- In bikers_anon@y..., "Sean Hawley" <seanhawley@h...> wrote:
> Forwarded:
>
> Has anyone had any experience in replacing the speedo cable to a
> ZZR250, as mine
> seems to have died while my son was using my bike recently and I
only
> noticed
> when I went for a short ride late Saturday?  Is it easy for a mug
> mechanic, or
> should I trust it to a garage, if so which one do people recommend?
>
> Regards,
>
> Colin Trees
> ZZR250

Am 99% sure that the light must be replaceable. Seems ludicrous that
a consumable part cannot be replaced.

Let's say after a (lot) of alcohol at the next BA dinner that we
hack (oops) I mean take a hammer (oops!) sorry screwdriver to the
offending item :-)




--- In bikers_anon@y..., "Taneile Stephens-Gent" <taneiles@h...>
wrote:
> While on the topic of speedos, the light on speedo died about
12months ago,
> after an off. Then I removed it, tried to open it to replace the
bulb,
> however I could not get into it (its not just me 3 people tried,
it seems
> the speedo has been built to not be open)
>
> But then after giving it a gentle tap it started working again
(the bulb
> must have just moved out a little)
>
> But now its gone out and has stayed out no matter how firmly
i "tap" it.
>
> I dont really want to have to buy a whole new speedo, but i think
I might
> have to, as the speedo seems impossible to get into.
>
> Anyone know the going rate on a second hand speedo ? its an EL250,
but i
> have buckleys of getting an original.
>
> Tara
>
>
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Dear Bikers Anon subscribers and members,
and Ian Ramsey (though you have quietly unsubscribed to BA, I'm sending this
direct to your e-mail address as well)...
What's wrong with you, Ian?
Along comes this guy, Ian Ramsey, who seems to have very little control of
himself, in the social sense.  In fact his written behaviour is appalling.
He,  in a disgraceful way, slags off  Sean, including writing to Sean "...
**** off...", and "...I also question your suitability as a committee member
using Bikers Anon for your personal frustration releases.".  It is
disgraceful and uncalled-for verbal diarrhoea attacking one of our most
selfless, valued and loved members.
THEN he writes "Hi, all. To Sean, No offence to you intended. I just feel
that we all need to be careful what we say publicly and who we are saying it
on behalf of. Respectfully yours, Ian Ramsay."   Huh?
Yes, Ian, to quote yourself "you do need to be careful of what you say
publicly, and on behalf of...."
And saying "...No offence..." and "Respectfully yours" is supposed to make
all the previous offense and insults OK? Puhleeze!

You, Ian Ramsay, because of your vile action, now have no credibility,
integrity nor (I suspect) friends.

I sincerely hope you mend your ways.

Tom Torok
in human being mode
tom2rok@...
02 9344 62 52 h  0412 355 152 m

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Ramsay" <yasmarbi@...>
To: "bikers anon e group" <bikers_anon@...>
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 6:14 PM
Subject: FW: [bikers_anon] Re: Again: Road Tolls....(Flogging a Dead Horse?)


>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean Hawley [mailto:seanhawley@...]
> Sent: Friday, 28 February 2003 1:45 PM
> To: bikers_anon@...
> Subject: [bikers_anon] Re: Again: Road Tolls....(Flogging a Dead Horse?)
>
>
> Re taking time at toll booths:
> The point is to become such a nuisnace that the toll collectors
> decide its better to give us a MC etag or let us go free - unlikely i
> know. The only way things will change in the future is if they are
> made aware that we exist. Which was obviously not the case when they
> developed the current Etag system. If nothing else its my own
> personal protest at seing forced to paying at least 4 time the
> appropriate toll.
>
> Sean,
> It sounds to me  you are a nuisance at times.
> I question whether Bikers Anon  wish to be associated with such behaviour.
> If you wish to make a personal protest, **** off and do it personally.
> Do not hide under the umbrella of or suggest it is the wishes of BIKERS
> ANON.
> To do so I feel would be the polital suicide for Bikers Anon.
> I also question your suitability as a committee member using Bikers Anon
for
> your personal frustration releases.
> This is 5 cents worth, since 2 cents is no longer legal tender.
> And only my opinion.
>
> Respectfully yours
> Ian Ramsay
>
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email with subject "unsubscribe"
> to: bikers_anon-unsubscribe@...
>
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>
>
>

Colin,
speedo inner cable replacement is straight forward with most bikes, though,
should you find that you can't remove ALL of the inner cable from the lower
(wheel) end (or on some bikes, from the gearbox end), then copious bolts and
panels may have to be undone and removed to access the back of the
instrument. (That's why naked bikes are so popular - easy to service and
maintain (double entendre not intended))  (Don't even mention 'Neka'd'
bikes!)  (I'm really blushing now).
As only a mechanic has enough experience to be SURE of finding the cause of
the cable failure (there are numerous causes) and would have the correct
tools to do the job, I strongly recommend such a person for this
(apparently) simple job.
Hey, if you enlist professional help, mention that you will mention them to
the club (Bikers Anon) if they do a good job.... 'Insurance' !
My $0.02 worth...
Tom Torok
(In ignore Ian '**** off' Ramsey mode)
Tom's Motorcycle Detailing
1987 Honda XL600V TransAlp 'the Trannie'
tom2rok@...
02 9344 62 52 h  0412 355 152 m
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Hawley" <seanhawley@...>
To: <bikers_anon@...>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 10:30 AM
Subject: [bikers_anon] Speedo cable


> Forwarded:
>
> Has anyone had any experience in replacing the speedo cable to a
> ZZR250, as mine
> seems to have died while my son was using my bike recently and I only
> noticed
> when I went for a short ride late Saturday?  Is it easy for a mug
> mechanic, or
> should I trust it to a garage, if so which one do people recommend?
>
> Regards,
>
> Colin Trees
> ZZR250
>
>
>
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> to: bikers_anon-unsubscribe@...
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>
>
>

6 riders and their 6 pillions, (Andrew and Nick, Louise and her Dad
Henry, Michael and Cindy, Robyn and 9? year old Katie, Sarah Jo and
Sara, myself and Anna) attended the pillion training day at HART in
St Ives. All riders had carried a pillion for at least a short
distance before, but most of us were fairly inexperienced. Pillion
experience varied from never having pillioned before to 15 years of
pillioning.

Graham Knight from HART took us thru the basics on rider and pillion
getting on the bike in a controlled and stable manner, moving off
from a stop, etc. We also did controlled braking with and without a
pillion to see the effect the extra weight has on braking distance
and we looked at conering. We all had a great time riding around the
track. Andrew and Michael were scraping boots and I managed to reduce
the chicken stripes on my new rear tyre from about an 3/4 inch to
about 5mm - big fun!!

I also managed to almost drop the bike while stopping and then
improved on that by actually gently dropping it (just touched down)
when I stalled while taking off - no damage to the bike, just my
pride  :(

Thanks to Anna for putting up with having to jump off the back twice
and still jumping straight back on, encouraging me to calm down, and
always wanting to go faster! :>

Even the most experience riders and pillions learned something
valuable from the training.

Some tips from the day:
Riders should tell the pillion when to get on and off the bike and
when your about to move off.
Pillions should brace themselves against the riders hips with their
legs, relax their upper body and place their hands on their thighs
(or gently place their hands on the riders lower waist).
Pillions should look where the rider is looking, so they know whats
going on.
Riders should "setup the brakes" whenever they MAY need to brake so
the pillion gets an early warning off potential braking situations.
When rolling the bike backwards when parking use the clutch to
slow/stop the bike rather than the brake (try this, its a great idea -
  the front tyre tends to slide if you use the brake).

If you've never tried carrying a pillion before, are hesitant about
carrying pillions, or even an experienced pillion carrier after some
tips, this is a great course and the only one of its type in
Australia. It was a great day that left riders and pillions with huge
smiles on their faces.

An indication of what the training can achieve:
Andrew's son Nick had never been on the back of a bike before the
ride over to HART, but by the end of the 1/2 day was so relaxed he
was fiddling with his gloves while Andrew rode thru hairpin bends
with his boots scraping the ground.

If you would like to do the course please let us know and if we get
enough takers we'll organise another training day in the future. In
fact I had so much fun Id be tempted to do it again!

Sean

erm i guess i should have mentioned itsno theoriginal speedo... its a
reoplacement that was found by amechanic after i put my foot thru it while
doing a superman impersonation

I have no idea which bike the speedo came from.

Hence you see my difficulty...

Tara



----Original Message Follows----
From: "Greg Douglas" <greggyd@...>
To: <bikers_anon@...>
Subject: Re: [bikers_anon] Speedo Light
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:24:11 +1100

Tara, see if you can track down a mechanic that has the workshop manual for
your bike (factory Manual) as these will often contain cheats for performing
such tasks.  On the Across for example you have to drill a hole in the back
of the casing and fit a new globe that way, then plug the hole with a rubber
grommet you can buy from Suzuki.

Greg Across
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Taneile Stephens-Gent
    To: bikers_anon@...
    Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 12:00 PM
    Subject: [bikers_anon] Speedo Light


    While on the topic of speedos, the light on speedo died about 12months
ago,
    after an off. Then I removed it, tried to open it to replace the bulb,
    however I could not get into it (its not just me 3 people tried, it seems
    the speedo has been built to not be open)

    But then after giving it a gentle tap it started working again (the bulb
    must have just moved out a little)

    But now its gone out and has stayed out no matter how firmly i "tap" it.

    I dont really want to have to buy a whole new speedo, but i think I might
    have to, as the speedo seems impossible to get into.

    Anyone know the going rate on a second hand speedo ? its an EL250, but i
    have buckleys of getting an original.

    Tara


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Tara, see if you can track down a mechanic that has the workshop manual for your
bike (factory Manual) as these will often contain cheats for performing such
tasks.  On the Across for example you have to drill a hole in the back of the
casing and fit a new globe that way, then plug the hole with a rubber grommet
you can buy from Suzuki.

Greg Across
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Taneile Stephens-Gent
   To: bikers_anon@...
   Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 12:00 PM
   Subject: [bikers_anon] Speedo Light


   While on the topic of speedos, the light on speedo died about 12months ago,
   after an off. Then I removed it, tried to open it to replace the bulb,
   however I could not get into it (its not just me 3 people tried, it seems
   the speedo has been built to not be open)

   But then after giving it a gentle tap it started working again (the bulb
   must have just moved out a little)

   But now its gone out and has stayed out no matter how firmly i "tap" it.

   I dont really want to have to buy a whole new speedo, but i think I might
   have to, as the speedo seems impossible to get into.

   Anyone know the going rate on a second hand speedo ? its an EL250, but i
   have buckleys of getting an original.

   Tara


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While on the topic of speedos, the light on speedo died about 12months ago,
after an off. Then I removed it, tried to open it to replace the bulb,
however I could not get into it (its not just me 3 people tried, it seems
the speedo has been built to not be open)

But then after giving it a gentle tap it started working again (the bulb
must have just moved out a little)

But now its gone out and has stayed out no matter how firmly i "tap" it.

I dont really want to have to buy a whole new speedo, but i think I might
have to, as the speedo seems impossible to get into.

Anyone know the going rate on a second hand speedo ? its an EL250, but i
have buckleys of getting an original.

Tara


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oh bugga!

um so did the plastex fairing repair survive! Bit of a waste of time
fixing it last week eh.

Oh well, at least at the end of the ride and not at the beginning.
Glad its only the bike and nothing more.




--- In bikers_anon@y..., "philsch1" <philsch1@y...> wrote:
> Hi Guys'n'Gals,
>
> What a great ride SJ, Dave, Greg and I had on Saturday: The
weather
> was PERFECT, the road windy, the food at Wollombi good and plenty,
> route well picked, traffic minimal.
>
> I think speaking for all of us, it was an enjoyable run.
>
> So, buzzing back into town, minding my own business and
contemplating
> the plans for the evening, it's my turn to have the bad luck of
the
> day: Proving agian, that all that it ever takes is a learner in
> daddy's benz, indicating left turning right, 1 KM FROM MY
DOORSTEP...
>
> The bottom line is, I stayed home on Sunday, Lloyd Penn sees my
bike
> agian within 5 days (got it back Wendesday after tyre change) and
I'm
> looking for new riding gear.
>
> Me? Thanks, I'm allright. Low speed and protective gear (mind you,
> worn down to the liner!) saved the day. Which brings me to the
point:
> It's not the open road that's dangerous, but the head-in-the-
clouds
> idiots piloting two ton vehicles through the city!
>
> All the best and safe riding,
> Phil
> (now only F650)
>
> BTW, anyone got a set of size 54/56 leathers for sale?

No probs in triumph fuel-injected triples. The latter models (2002
onwards) indeed do have an O2 sensor and feedback loop.

The earlier models are happy on the stuff too (and mechanic
recommends)... and even happier if you retune for it  :-) (which
takes about 2 minutes for a CO adjust or 5 minutes for a full remap).

But experiences will vary with different makes and FI systems I'm
sure. The biggest $$$ concern is ensuring sealing components aren;t
eaten by the stuff (like carb bike components).



--- In bikers_anon@y..., Shaun Stanyer <sastanyer@y...> wrote:
> >> FYI Optimax etc should be fine in fuel-injected
> >> bikes though.
>
>
> The bike needs to have an O2 sensor in the exhaust
> system.
>
> This sensor picks up the fact that there is a large
> qty of un-burn fuel in the exhaust gases.
> The computer will then back on the amount of fuel
> injected to lean out the mix. Hence stop the plugs
> fouling.
>
> The bike has to be EFI and the computer needs to be
> able to adjust the fuel air mixer on the fly.
> Some EFI systems that use a static fuel map can not
> adjust to the excess un-burn fuel in the exhaust so
> still have the issue.
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi Guys'n'Gals,

What a great ride SJ, Dave, Greg and I had on Saturday: The weather
was PERFECT, the road windy, the food at Wollombi good and plenty,
route well picked, traffic minimal.

I think speaking for all of us, it was an enjoyable run.

So, buzzing back into town, minding my own business and contemplating
the plans for the evening, it's my turn to have the bad luck of the
day: Proving agian, that all that it ever takes is a learner in
daddy's benz, indicating left turning right, 1 KM FROM MY DOORSTEP...

The bottom line is, I stayed home on Sunday, Lloyd Penn sees my bike
agian within 5 days (got it back Wendesday after tyre change) and I'm
looking for new riding gear.

Me? Thanks, I'm allright. Low speed and protective gear (mind you,
worn down to the liner!) saved the day. Which brings me to the point:
It's not the open road that's dangerous, but the head-in-the-clouds
idiots piloting two ton vehicles through the city!

All the best and safe riding,
Phil
(now only F650)

BTW, anyone got a set of size 54/56 leathers for sale?

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Forwarded:

Has anyone had any experience in replacing the speedo cable to a
ZZR250, as mine
seems to have died while my son was using my bike recently and I only
noticed
when I went for a short ride late Saturday?  Is it easy for a mug
mechanic, or
should I trust it to a garage, if so which one do people recommend?

Regards,

Colin Trees
ZZR250

Ian,

I was going to write one of my typical long soapbox replies (novellas
as TRiXiechick calls them) to your post, but i couldnt be bothered.
So ill just point out:
1. At no point did I say or infer that I was speaking for Bikers
Anon. It is obvious from the context of the thread that i was talking
about myself and some like minded individuals.
2. You have every right to express your opinion. However, telling me
to "**** off" etc was a personal attack that has no place on this
forum. If you must make personal attacks on anybody, they should be
done offline.
3. Since you feel that i am unfit for the Bikers Anon commitee, you
should obtain a copy of the Bikers Anon Inc rules of association from
one of the other committee members and start whatever processes are
required to remove me from the committee.

Sean

PS Thanks, to those who have been offended on my behalf and/or
defended me here.


--- In bikers_anon@y..., "Ian Ramsay" <yasmarbi@y...> wrote:
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean Hawley [mailto:seanhawley@h...]
> Sent: Friday, 28 February 2003 1:45 PM
> To: bikers_anon@y...
> Subject: [bikers_anon] Re: Again: Road Tolls....(Flogging a Dead
Horse?)
>
>
> Re taking time at toll booths:
> The point is to become such a nuisnace that the toll collectors
> decide its better to give us a MC etag or let us go free - unlikely
i
> know. The only way things will change in the future is if they are
> made aware that we exist. Which was obviously not the case when they
> developed the current Etag system. If nothing else its my own
> personal protest at seing forced to paying at least 4 time the
> appropriate toll.
>
> Sean,
> It sounds to me  you are a nuisance at times.
> I question whether Bikers Anon  wish to be associated with such
behaviour.
> If you wish to make a personal protest, **** off and do it
personally.
> Do not hide under the umbrella of or suggest it is the wishes of
BIKERS
> ANON.
> To do so I feel would be the polital suicide for Bikers Anon.
> I also question your suitability as a committee member using Bikers
Anon for
> your personal frustration releases.
> This is 5 cents worth, since 2 cents is no longer legal tender.
> And only my opinion.
>
> Respectfully yours
> Ian Ramsay

Tony Young (ty) wrote:
>
> AFAIK the only problems with high-octane fuels is with carby fed bikes
> as the fuel is not automagically adjusted. FI bikes can adjust the fuel
> flow and make the most of the richer content.
I should learn to read ALL my messages before sending any.
Other people have said the above better than I.

-1c
balance 0c
ty

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Fuel injection will not make any difference to the optimax problem,
whats required is an oxygen sensor in the exhaust, which new hipo
cars have but not bikes. Also the higher octane fuel is also more
dense. Carl from Northside Motorcycles at a recent BA event suggested
running bikes on plain unleaded on the road unless it pings. On the
track Optimax etc are fine (?higher combustion temperatures or
something?).

Sean

--- In bikers_anon@y..., "Andrew Reynolds" <andrewjr@b...> wrote:
> The problem you have with Optimax and Ultimate I think has been
bought to light before.
> The petrol is a higher octance. EFi can handle the extra density,
however carbs find it difficult to
> deal with more fuel to combust. It was discussed that spark splugs
were being fowled as far as I can recall.
> I wouldn't run PULP on something unless it needed it, or was EFi.
>
> And another thing this Email about BP.  It's pretty much comparable
to MicroHard donating money
> for every email address something reaches. (another chain mail
thing like AOL's one)
>
> It makes me wonder why BP became the chosen one for persecution,
They are
> also one of the largest Refinary companies throwing $$$ into solar
reasearch and
> improving solar cells. Its pretty ironic too since the offices at
Homebush is running on a full
> SCADA system, whith air condiitoning that actaully returns air to
the atmosphere cleaner than
> it came into the system.  Enough on a greenie peace love and all
that sh!te sort of level.
> Why? The email is also aching to a quote of an infamous poli, "Well
just print more money"
>
> now thats my 10c worth, just an opinion though
>
> I also think a few people need a read of these two links just
another opinion.
> http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=05386
> http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=05397
>
> -----------------------------------
> Andrew.
> (VTRTOOFIDDIE)
> andrewjr@b...
> -----------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Arne Johnsen wrote:
> Definitely worth a try....
> I don't buy at BP anyway....
Why is BP targetted for this?
They're no worse than anyone else regarding prices.
The only way to get the bigwigs to bring their prices down in this
fashion would be to only buy from private outlets that are generally
cheaper - but often of poorer quality.
Sorry, you might get me lobbying to get the government to drop the fuel
taxes, but I don't see any point in boycotting any of the outlets.

AFAIK the only problems with high-octane fuels is with carby fed bikes
as the fuel is not automagically adjusted. FI bikes can adjust the fuel
flow and make the most of the richer content.

my 1c
ty


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>> FYI Optimax etc should be fine in fuel-injected
>> bikes though.


The bike needs to have an O2 sensor in the exhaust
system.

This sensor picks up the fact that there is a large
qty of un-burn fuel in the exhaust gases.
The computer will then back on the amount of fuel
injected to lean out the mix. Hence stop the plugs
fouling.

The bike has to be EFI and the computer needs to be
able to adjust the fuel air mixer on the fly.
Some EFI systems that use a static fuel map can not
adjust to the excess un-burn fuel in the exhaust so
still have the issue.





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Heya all,

I've chucked some photos up from the GRO session at
Eastern Creek... enjoy.

Thanks to all who organised the ride, I had a ball,
even with those potholes near wollombi trying their
hardest to slam my bike into my crotch from time to
time... now i know why they say "There's no such thing
as safe speeding". They're refering to my chances of
having kids. :)

Cheers!

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my 10c worth ( i got ur joke steve)....over hewre shell only has
premium unleaded (but not optimax)..opti always ran shit in my vtr
(carby fed) & in nsw i never ran it in my cbr as i was told the same,
but over here ive run BP with no probs.....seems ok too, i was told
its the best fuel they have over here....but then again i often used
caltex/mobil in nsw & found it best...i just avoid cheap no name
brands & find it goes ok....
neka


--- In bikers_anon@y..., "Wayne \"Toe\" Johnson" <chopaweeza@y...>
wrote:
> You really should not be using BP or Shell in your bike as I have
> just found to my cost. I just had my Bandit's carbs rekitted after
> consistantly using Shell Optimax & BP Ultimate for the last
20,000kms
> in itthinking that I was doing the right thing by my bike by using
a
> better fuel. After experiencing problems with the carburation on my
> bike I asked a number of shops and good mechs I know as to what it
> might be. They all asked straight away "are you using Optimax or BP
> Ultimate" and when I said yes each was able to rattle off a long
list
> of customer bikes with the exact same problems as mine and the
reason
> apparently is the fuel and it's additives. While these work fine on
> cars apparently these two brands(from the same refinery) react
baddly
> with the carbs on bikes and ammongst other things cause the rubber
> tips in the float needle to rot. We all know to avoid fuel with
> Ethanol for our bikes but I was quite shocked at by so many shops
and
> mechanics correctly diagnosing exactly the same . My Bandit's
running
> sweet again now but be wary.
>
> Wayne
> --- In bikers_anon@y..., "Arne Johnsen" <arnejohnsen@h...> wrote:
> > Definitely worth a try....
> > I don't buy at BP anyway....
> >
>
______________________________________________________________________
> > Arne "T595" Johnzen, Johnzen Technologies, Sydney, Australia, +61
2
> 9957
> > 8808
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: "Patrick Cavanagh" <patrick@x>
> > Subject: Bring Petrol Prices Down
> > Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:00:12 +1100
> >
> > Normally Hate chain Mail this one is a good idea
> >
> > Bring Petrol Prices Down.......
> >
> > Received the following which sounds like a good idea.
> >
> > Want petrol prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent,
> > united action. Philip Hollsworth, offered this good idea : This
> makes
> > MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy petrol on a certain day"
> campaign
> > that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just
> laughed
> > at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt ourselves
by
> > refusing to buy petrol. It was more of an inconvenience to us
than
> it
> > was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has
come
> up
> > with a plan that can really work.
> >
> > Please read it and join in! Now that the oil companies and the
OPEC
> > nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre is
> CHEAP
> > at .89 / .95
> > cents, we   need   to  take aggressive action to teach them that
> BUYERS
> > control the marketplace not sellers. With the price of petrol
going
> up
> > more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we
are
> > going to see
> > the price   of petrol come down is if we hit someone in the
pocket
> by
> > not
> > purchasing their Petrol! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting
> ourselves.
> >
> > Here's the idea
> > For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY petrol from the two
> > biggest oil companies (which now are one .BP)  If they are not
> selling
> > any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they
> reduce
> > their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But
to
> have
> > an impact, we need to reach literally millions of BP petrol
buyers.
> It's
> > really simple to do!! Now, don't whimp out on me at this
> point...keep
> > reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of
> people!!
> > I am sending this note to a; lot of people. If each of you send
it
> to
> > at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at
> least
> > ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message
> > reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over
> THREE
> > MILLION consumers!
> >
> > Again,all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all.
(and
> not
> > buy at BP)
> >
> > How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out
to
> ten
> > more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people
could
> > conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you
> didn't
> > think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together
we
> can
> > make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this
> message
> > on. PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE 80cents
a
> LITRE
> > RANGE Action, It's easy to make this happen. Just forward this
> email,
> > and buy your petrol at Shell, Caltex, Mobil, g,a.s. or Gulf
Outlets
> and
> > drive by BP Stations.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*.
> > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

ok so maybe im just a dumb country bumkin (now a city boy) at heart,
but isnt the whole idea of ppl like MCA & bikers anon not only to org
rides etc, but to stand together as one??...its not illegal to take a
long time to pay a toll (yes a nuisance, but no not illegal is it??),
hell i dont care whether u call it me acting alone or as a member of
BA,KSRC/HRC or the motorcycling community, if we have a gripe we have
to raise our point...u dont get nothing in life by sitting on ur ass
wishing, sometimes u have to make it happen, if that means pissing
sum cage drivers off ( i drive one too) then so be it,i also think if
there were more riders on the road the roads would be in better
condition & need less taxpayer $$$ spent on them...im not saying be a
wanker, but have ur protest, make ur point & maybe someone will listen
neka
(must be the SA air making me sensible?)



--- In bikers_anon@y..., "VikingInOZ" <webviking@h...> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian Ramsay" <yasmarbi@y...>
> To: "bikers anon e group" <bikers_anon@y...>
> Sent: Friday, 28 February 2003 18:14
> Subject: FW: [bikers_anon] Re: Again: Road Tolls....(Flogging a
Dead Horse?)
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean Hawley [mailto:seanhawley@h...]
> Sent: Friday, 28 February 2003 1:45 PM
> To: bikers_anon@y...
> Subject: [bikers_anon] Re: Again: Road Tolls....(Flogging a Dead
Horse?)
>
>
> Re taking time at toll booths:
> The point is to become such a nuisnace that the toll collectors
> decide its better to give us a MC etag or let us go free - unlikely
i
> know. The only way things will change in the future is if they are
> made aware that we exist. Which was obviously not the case when they
> developed the current Etag system. If nothing else its my own
> personal protest at seing forced to paying at least 4 time the
> appropriate toll.
>
> Sean,
> It sounds to me  you are a nuisance at times.
> I question whether Bikers Anon  wish to be associated with such
behaviour.
> If you wish to make a personal protest, **** off and do it
personally.
> Do not hide under the umbrella of or suggest it is the wishes of
BIKERS
> ANON.
> To do so I feel would be the polital suicide for Bikers Anon.
> I also question your suitability as a committee member using Bikers
Anon for
> your personal frustration releases.
> This is 5 cents worth, since 2 cents is no longer legal tender.
> And only my opinion.
>
> Respectfully yours
> Ian Ramsay
>
> Ian,
> As I am as much in agreement with Sean as you are obviously opposed
to his
> opinions, I am afraid my comment will be strongly coloured by this
bias.  I
> will however attempt to better you on one point and that is to
revert to the
> kind of  personal attack that you display.
> Further, as I am sure that Sean is more than capable of defending
his
> opinion as well as his position as an excellent committee member
for Bikers
> Anon, I will not point out how out of line you are in questioning
his status
> on this group.
>
> I do have a couple of questions though, that I would respectfully
ask you to
> answer;
> Would you please explain to me why you feel so strongly against any
attempt
> to gather followers in a campaign against the unfair toll charges
laid on
> motorbikes on the various toll roads in the Sydney area?
> As you express your concern for the future of Bikers Anon should
the group,
> or it's members, find itself affiliated with such a campaign, I
would like
> to know on what information you base your opinion, whether it's
another
> similar situation you have experienced, or if you indeed know of
any laws
> governing groups like Bikers Anon that might be broken should such a
> campaign be found to be connected to, or run by Bikers Anon.
>
> We do after all live in modern, democratic society in which some of
the more
> important traits are the ability to voice our opinion and work to
introduce
> changes where we feel they are appropriate.
>
> V

ok all got here ok, poor little adelaide is in for it now!!...already
scared fukk out of a few ppl by wheelieing past, tank sitting & doing
my little stunts...will have p[c up soon so u will hear from me...woo
hoo gotta run, going to get the bike & go riding.neka

tolls?? easy fixed - Move to SA- no tolls here....lol....
neka


--- In bikers_anon@y..., "Tom Torok" <tom2rok@o...> wrote:
> Phil, don't worry so much about the coin, the chain is a lot
stronger than
> the coin, though the engine casings and your flesh are other
matters. Good
> to hear you just "...plucked off the fairing..." . Would take half
an hour
> at least for most of us.
>
> Samantha, you wrote: "...As easy as throwing money down the toilet,
really.
> " . Can I use that?... it's SO appropriate!
> As I'm sure you know, many of us are deliberately taking our time
at toll
> booths, to encourage their (mis)managements to (hopefully)
> relax/reduce/eliminate/or speed up the supply of special MC e-tag
type
> devices.
>
> Tom Torok
> Tom's Motorcycle Detailing
> 1987 Honda XL600V TransAlp 'the Trannie'
> tom2rok@o...
> 02 9344 62 52 h  0412 355 152 m
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Samantha Madell" <gamgee@o...>
> To: <bikers_anon@y...>
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [bikers_anon] Again: Road Tolls....(Flogging a Dead
Horse?)
>
>
> > Phil wrote:
> > I was coming down the M2 the other day when I stopped to pay my 3
$-
> > something tribute to the motorway fairy. Stopped the bike, took
off
> > gloves, opened jacket, dug out wallet, crammed out the small
change...
> >
> > If I know I'm going to be passing through one or more tollways, I
carry
> the exact change required in one or more film canisters ... pop the
> canister/s in my jacket pocket, then when it's time to pay up, I
don't even
> need to take my gloves off. Just pop the lid off the canister and
empty the
> change out. As easy as throwing money down the toilet, really.
> >
> > You can even get a colour coding thing happening - black canister
for M2,
> white for Harbour Bridge etc. Unfortunately, the film canisters
won't take
> 50c pieces though  :-(
> >
> > Sam
> > (aka Martha Stewart)
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email with
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> >
> >
> >

damnit Neka I thought that was gonna be our lil secret after you sold me all
yours with your moving and all :P
good to know your still around, too damn quite without ya :P
Steve
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: betta tell ya so u can scream it later
   To: bikers_anon@...
   Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 12:18 PM
   Subject: [bikers_anon] Re: This weekend


   YUP steve, u just need to wear a skirt!! im sure u  can wear one of
   the ones in ur warddrobe.lol.GUESS WHOS BACK!!!!!!!
   neka
   p.s. using feinds pc, will be 11 more days till i get mine!!
   --- In bikers_anon@y..., "L-Platers, the other white meat"
   <sullisc@o...> wrote:
   > ok dumb question, (newbie here) can guys go on the GRO ride?
   > not that Ill be doing anything except wondering which end of my
   clutch cable goes where this weekend,
   > and anyway, the gals in BA ride better and faster then I do anyhow,
   (all I see on a BA ride is SJ's butt)  wheres that Honda group going
   again? :P
   > Steve
   > The Professional Clutchless L-Plater
   >   ----- Original Message -----
   >   From: philsch1
   >   To: bikers_anon@y...
   >   Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:28 PM
   >   Subject: [bikers_anon] Re: This weekend
   >
   >
   >   W-O-W,
   >
   >   there's HELL of a lot going on this weekend, that's for sure!!! I
   >   somehow have the feeling that the open invitation to join GRO is
   >   going to steal the show, though ;)
   >
   >   Phil
   >   -still going on Saturday-
   >
   >
   >   --- In bikers_anon@y..., "Chris Turner" <christ@r...> wrote:
   >   > And then there's always Eastern ck for those willing to expand
   their
   >   > horizons... Where: Eastern Creek, When: March 2nd from 08:30.
   >   >
   >   > Contact me to be added to the group discount $129
   >   >
   >   > ChrisT
   >   > BikersAnon
   >   > (TRXAnon)
   >   >
   >   > -----Original Message-----
   >   > From: TRiXichick [mailto:sarahynewman@y...]
   >   > Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:49
   >   > To: Robyn; bikers_anon@y...
   >   > Subject: Re: [bikers_anon] Re: This weekend
   >   >
   >   >
   >   >
   >   > And for those of you who don't want to go the speed limit (or
   >   under) on the
   >   > Honda Ride, there is always Girls Ride Out ... meet at Rouse
   Hill
   >   McDonalds
   >   > at 8am for 8:3o departure for a run up Putty Road and lunch at
   >   Wollombi, or
   >   > alternatively you can cruise up to Berowra at 9:30am for 10am
   start
   >   (with me
   >   > as your ride captain) and head up the Old Road to meet the
   others at
   >   > Wollombi for lunch.
   >   > Sarah
   >   > Robyn <ducati_lass@y...> wrote:For are those not going out to
   the
   >   > track or to HART maybe you could
   >   > join the Honda ride this Sunday, details below:
   >   >
   >   >
   >   > Next Ride Day
   >   > Sunday 2nd March 2003
   >   > To: Picton
   >   > Meet at Mc Donalds, Windsor Road, Mc Graths Hill.
   >   > Meeting Time: 9.00am
   >   >
   >   > Please have a full tank of fuel when you arrive at the meeting
   >   place.
   >   >
   >   >
   >   >
   >   > TRiXichick (ex-Spadachick)
   >   > Girls Ride Out Committee
   >   > (TRX-Anon!!)
   >   > Mob: 0414 527 246
   >   > Email: sarahynewman@y...
   >   >
   >   >
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YUP steve, u just need to wear a skirt!! im sure u  can wear one of
the ones in ur warddrobe.lol.GUESS WHOS BACK!!!!!!!
neka
p.s. using feinds pc, will be 11 more days till i get mine!!
--- In bikers_anon@y..., "L-Platers, the other white meat"
<sullisc@o...> wrote:
> ok dumb question, (newbie here) can guys go on the GRO ride?
> not that Ill be doing anything except wondering which end of my
clutch cable goes where this weekend,
> and anyway, the gals in BA ride better and faster then I do anyhow,
(all I see on a BA ride is SJ's butt)  wheres that Honda group going
again? :P
> Steve
> The Professional Clutchless L-Plater
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: philsch1
>   To: bikers_anon@y...
>   Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:28 PM
>   Subject: [bikers_anon] Re: This weekend
>
>
>   W-O-W,
>
>   there's HELL of a lot going on this weekend, that's for sure!!! I
>   somehow have the feeling that the open invitation to join GRO is
>   going to steal the show, though ;)
>
>   Phil
>   -still going on Saturday-
>
>
>   --- In bikers_anon@y..., "Chris Turner" <christ@r...> wrote:
>   > And then there's always Eastern ck for those willing to expand
their
>   > horizons... Where: Eastern Creek, When: March 2nd from 08:30.
>   >
>   > Contact me to be added to the group discount $129
>   >
>   > ChrisT
>   > BikersAnon
>   > (TRXAnon)
>   >
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: TRiXichick [mailto:sarahynewman@y...]
>   > Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:49
>   > To: Robyn; bikers_anon@y...
>   > Subject: Re: [bikers_anon] Re: This weekend
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > And for those of you who don't want to go the speed limit (or
>   under) on the
>   > Honda Ride, there is always Girls Ride Out ... meet at Rouse
Hill
>   McDonalds
>   > at 8am for 8:3o departure for a run up Putty Road and lunch at
>   Wollombi, or
>   > alternatively you can cruise up to Berowra at 9:30am for 10am
start
>   (with me
>   > as your ride captain) and head up the Old Road to meet the
others at
>   > Wollombi for lunch.
>   > Sarah
>   > Robyn <ducati_lass@y...> wrote:For are those not going out to
the
>   > track or to HART maybe you could
>   > join the Honda ride this Sunday, details below:
>   >
>   >
>   > Next Ride Day
>   > Sunday 2nd March 2003
>   > To: Picton
>   > Meet at Mc Donalds, Windsor Road, Mc Graths Hill.
>   > Meeting Time: 9.00am
>   >
>   > Please have a full tank of fuel when you arrive at the meeting
>   place.
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > TRiXichick (ex-Spadachick)
>   > Girls Ride Out Committee
>   > (TRX-Anon!!)
>   > Mob: 0414 527 246
>   > Email: sarahynewman@y...
>   >
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Sam's quoted FAQ specifies any coinage qty up to $5 is OK. It's ten
times the face value for $1 units and above.

Otherwise I agree that 10x5c does not equal $5 but I dont think that
was the aim of your observation :-)

--- In bikers_anon@y..., "Greg Douglas" <greggyd@b...> wrote:
> sorry but 10 x 5c does not equal $5, would be nice if it did
though lol.

>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Samantha Madell
>   To: bikers_anon@y...
>   Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 9:45 AM
>   Subject: Re: [bikers_anon] Re: Again: Road Tolls....(Flogging a
Dead Horse?)
>
>
<kaching>

>   Finally, according to the Royal Australian Mint's FAQ :
>
>   The Currency Act stipulates a limit to the number of coins that
can be handed over to "a shopkeeper in a store". For 5, 10, 20 *and*
50 cent pieces, the limit is $5. For 1, 2, 5, and 10 dollar
coins/notes, the limit is ten times the face value.
>
>   So, you would not be legally entitled to purchase a $110 item
with ten-dollar notes, but you *can* pay your tolls in 5 cent pieces
with a clear conscience. At least while the tolls remain under $5
dollars a go!
>
>   Sam   :-)

bugger! I was just going to post to the list to see if anyone knew when it
would be televised.

Do you know if channel 10 is going to show either WorldSBK or MotoGP for
2003?

Adam
Sydney, Australia



>Starts Sunday night, only on Pay TV though.
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