What exactly do you mean by 'performance' Chubby?
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: csaba hamori
   To: bikers_anon@...
   Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:14 PM
   Subject: [bikers_anon] inline v's vee twin


   Why can't they get the same performance out of v-twin
   than an in-line engine?
   chubby

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You mean like why has Ducati won so many Superbike championships over
a decade ?

Or why could Britten's V-twin demolish the factory teams in it's
first track outing in the early 90's?


--- In bikers_anon@..., csaba hamori
<csabahamori@y...> wrote:
> Why can't they get the same performance out of v-twin
> than an in-line engine?
> chubby
>
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We are planning on going to the Motoconcepts Track day at Eastern
Creek this Saturday 7 February, if anyone would like to join us
please send me an email. I will be booking Wednesday afternoon (based
on a favourable weather forecast).

At this stage Andreas, Peter & Simon Barnett, William and myself will
be going.

Regards
Scott Powell
VFR800
powells@...

Why can't they get the same performance out of v-twin
than an in-line engine?
chubby

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BBS hey..yeah i hate that!!..hmm maybe i should go out for a ride
now, find a nice quiet spot, and have a "romantic" moment on my own??
hmmm...ussually my "romantic moments" r in the car park of bike
shops, looking thru the window...i mean,bike shops should be
concealed, its basically porn for me!!
neka (bored now)

--- In bikers_anon@..., "philsch1" <phil@c...> wrote:
> > phil- i say a group protest, where we all park our bikes on said
> > road , sit on them naked & masterbate...now that would get sum
> attn!!
> > neka
> > sorry, funny mood...must b the funny ciggies they sell over here??
>
> Waddayathink I do all day?
>
> And worse: MY CBR's been in service for the best part of two weeks
> and now I've got acute blue-ball syndrome ;)

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

DeNiro's Dinner

Date: Thursday, February 5, 2004
Time: 7:30PM EST (GMT+11:00)

Our very popular social evening of Italian Food and a talk from
a Special Guest. Where: Mount St, North Sydney. How Much: $20
mixed entrée & mixed main. What time: 7.30pm

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Club Meeting

Date: Thursday, February 5, 2004
Time: 7:00PM - 7:30PM EST (GMT+11:00)

The meeting is open to all BA members and will take place before
the normal DeNiro's month Dinner from 7 pm to 7:30 pm at
DeNiro's

If you have any ideas regarding the Club, rides or issues to
rise this is a great time to do it. You do not need to stay for
dinner if you don't wish.

Where & When: 90 Mount St, North Sydney - 7.00pm

> phil- i say a group protest, where we all park our bikes on said
> road , sit on them naked & masterbate...now that would get sum
attn!!
> neka
> sorry, funny mood...must b the funny ciggies they sell over here??

Waddayathink I do all day?

And worse: MY CBR's been in service for the best part of two weeks
and now I've got acute blue-ball syndrome ;)

Hi Phil,

Thanks for the info, and thorough research.

I've used that number/link and reported a spot on Wiseman's Ferry
Road in the past, which then received treatment a week later. The RTA
repair crew even phoned me to my mobile when they were on their way
there to confirm the spot. They made a repair which improved the
situation, but it didn't entirely solve it. Top marks for good
intentions here!

I think this number is more to report pot-holes and water/storm
damage and the like which needs a quick fix because of acute danger.
For the RTA to revise their road improvement policies (i.e. what kind
of surfacing technique they use etc) will need some kind of political
pressure.

Anyway, the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and a well written
complaint to the correct authority with visible cc to public forums
and possibly newspaper or magazine will probably get you further than
a rant to a forum of like-minded folks who aren't content with
anything but the Oxley Highway :)

Phil


--- In bikers_anon@..., "Phil Purdy" <phil@i...> wrote:
> Deep in the bowels of the RTA website, they have listed a contact
number to report road surface damage.... I haven't used it yet, but
I'm sure if enough people ring in to bitch and moan, they will either
get annoyed and close down the number, or do something about it...
>
>
> Reporting road surface damage: 131 700
>
>
> There are also some details about RTA programs, filled with useless
propaganda, and meaningless statistics...
>
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/constructionmaintenance/downloads/maintroads
_dl1.html
>
>
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/constructionmaintenance/downloads/maintroadm
index_dl1.html
>
>
>
> It appears that the Motorcycle Council of NSW has fairly close ties
with the RTA, I haven't dealt personally with these guys, but they
may have more "weight", if any action was to be taken. The MCC NSW
appear to be involved with road safety issues for motorcyclists
currently...
>
> http://www.roadsafety.mccofnsw.org.au/a/9.html
>
>
> I also know that cyclists (of the pedal power variety) are equally
concerned of the state of NSW roads, Cycling NSW may also be another
avenue.....
>
> cheers
> p.
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: philsch1
>   To: bikers_anon@...
>   Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 11:19 AM
>   Subject: [bikers_anon] Re: Playtime's over
>
>
>   Is there any (legal?) action an interest group such as ours can
take
>   to prevent futher such nonsense?
>
>   Phil
>
>   <snip>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

what a Cunning Stunt!!!


--- "Dr. Lachlan Hinds" <lachlan@...> wrote:
> and the professor with a degree in cunningness who designed such a
> scheme also had a thingy shaped like a turnip, where his brain
> obviously resides...
>
>

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yup..knew wed get this...sum ppl love their dukes, and thats their
opinion...sum ppl dont, and their entitled to their opinion too, it
seems ur either a duke fanatic, or u hate em,thats the impression i
get (i like them but dont think ill ever own one)...i didnt leave out
the triumph for ne reason (simply forgot abt them), all i was saying
was do ur research b4 u buy ANY bike, be it jap,pom,italian, or woteva
neka
p.s. dont foget to check insurance costs too..if u can get
insurance...

--- In bikers_anon@..., "Glen Playford"
<johnnie5@i...> wrote:
>
> > On 02/02/2004, at 1:19 PM, freak wrote:
> >
> > > .i use to love Dukes, wanted a 916 as
> > > long as i can remember, till i talked to a few
> > > enthusiasts...the "desmo whatever" thing (4 valves per cylinder)
> > > bikes like the 916,996,998,999,748,749 bikes r
> > > 1.bloody dear to buy
>
> not entirely true
>
> > > 2.bloody dear to service
>
> do your own service, its not that hard, just different
>
> > > 3.not as reliable
>
> have you seen some jap bikes out there ??
>
> > > 4.use a dry clutch (so primitave)
>
> so race like
>
> >
> > You can pick up a second hand 916, 996 etc or 748 for < $20,000.
If
> > you're handy with a spanner, most of the servicing can be done by
> > yourself. Desmodromic valve adjustments is supposed to be the
killer,
> > I'm told.
>
> and a whole lot more below $15K
> even close to $10K
>
> >
> > A lot of reliability problems I've heard of regarding Ducatis
have, in
> > many instances, involved a mechanic or owner not following the
service
> > schedule.
>
> exactly
>
> >
> > A dry clutch is simply a different type of clutch, not
necessarily more
> > or less primitive than wet clutch.  There are advantages and
> > disadvantages. One of the disadvantages is that they wear out
quicker,
> > another is that they are noisy (which the Ducatisti love!) I'm
sure a
> > more mechanically minded person can chip in with more details.
>
> and they take all of oh 5 mins to change the plates
>
> they will last a long time if not abused
>
> dont have to worry about what oil you use in the bike
> as it wont affect your clutch
>
> >
> > I would love a good Ducati superbike. I can't justify it with a
racing
> > habit that needs satisfying though ;) Since they are such
specialised
> > beasts, you would really only enjoy it on a decent bit of road
(like
> > the OPH before it was ruined) or the race track.
>
> not true,
> i rode mine all over the place and toured on it as well
> with plenty of gear loaded on it , many high kilometre days
> that gave very litle grief compared to some hap bikes i have ridden
>
> the sound is enough to satisfy ;)
>
> >
> > I'm not a fan of buying bikes to park outside cafes (hard to do
in
> > enlightened Sydney, unlike Melbournistan), but obviously a Duke
carries
> > a bit of ogling credibility.
>
> well ride em then
>
> >
> > As for the Monster series, they're a little tamer and less
specialised.
> > A Jap twin will do a much better job if it just carries you to
work
> > every day. Buy a Duke if you want performance and think they're
sexy
> > looking.
> >
> > Rgz,
> >
> > Luke.
> >

> On 02/02/2004, at 1:19 PM, freak wrote:
>
> > .i use to love Dukes, wanted a 916 as
> > long as i can remember, till i talked to a few
> > enthusiasts...the "desmo whatever" thing (4 valves per cylinder)
> > bikes like the 916,996,998,999,748,749 bikes r
> > 1.bloody dear to buy

not entirely true

> > 2.bloody dear to service

do your own service, its not that hard, just different

> > 3.not as reliable

have you seen some jap bikes out there ??

> > 4.use a dry clutch (so primitave)

so race like

>
> You can pick up a second hand 916, 996 etc or 748 for < $20,000. If
> you're handy with a spanner, most of the servicing can be done by
> yourself. Desmodromic valve adjustments is supposed to be the killer,
> I'm told.

and a whole lot more below $15K
even close to $10K

>
> A lot of reliability problems I've heard of regarding Ducatis have, in
> many instances, involved a mechanic or owner not following the service
> schedule.

exactly

>
> A dry clutch is simply a different type of clutch, not necessarily more
> or less primitive than wet clutch.  There are advantages and
> disadvantages. One of the disadvantages is that they wear out quicker,
> another is that they are noisy (which the Ducatisti love!) I'm sure a
> more mechanically minded person can chip in with more details.

and they take all of oh 5 mins to change the plates

they will last a long time if not abused

dont have to worry about what oil you use in the bike
as it wont affect your clutch

>
> I would love a good Ducati superbike. I can't justify it with a racing
> habit that needs satisfying though ;) Since they are such specialised
> beasts, you would really only enjoy it on a decent bit of road (like
> the OPH before it was ruined) or the race track.

not true,
i rode mine all over the place and toured on it as well
with plenty of gear loaded on it , many high kilometre days
that gave very litle grief compared to some hap bikes i have ridden

the sound is enough to satisfy ;)

>
> I'm not a fan of buying bikes to park outside cafes (hard to do in
> enlightened Sydney, unlike Melbournistan), but obviously a Duke carries
> a bit of ogling credibility.

well ride em then

>
> As for the Monster series, they're a little tamer and less specialised.
> A Jap twin will do a much better job if it just carries you to work
> every day. Buy a Duke if you want performance and think they're sexy
> looking.
>
> Rgz,
>
> Luke.
>

Probably asking for trouble saying this, but the Triumph is a bit more
reliable (and ridable) than the Duke, servicing is a tad less expensive and
you can pretty much punish them. Mate of mine bought a 996 and traded it in
a week later since it was just impossible for him to ride in the city and
got a monster. The monster was great to 'do up' and looked a treat but he
spent a hella lot of time servicing. Trumpy is usually about 3/4 the price
of a Duke for performance (Daytona vs SuperBike) but more even for Speed vs
Monster. Mind you the look of the Speed Triple is a bit of an acquired taste
- but any of the new 955i class engines (2001 onwards) will go up like a
shower of shit and compare well with duke performance only with a much more
linear performance curve - that triple engine may make accelleration seem
less exciting, but you find your still doing 0-100 in about 4 seconds
without even trying... Also, it seems like a 955cc triple is about the same
price as a 600 Duke second hand.

-Joe


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-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Burton [mailto:luke@...]
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 2:13 PM
To: freak
Cc: Bikers Anon
Subject: Re: [bikers_anon] Re: Ducati 600 monster what's your opinion???



On 02/02/2004, at 1:19 PM, freak wrote:

> .i use to love Dukes, wanted a 916 as
> long as i can remember, till i talked to a few
> enthusiasts...the "desmo whatever" thing (4 valves per cylinder)
> bikes like the 916,996,998,999,748,749 bikes r
> 1.bloody dear to buy
> 2.bloody dear to service
> 3.not as reliable
> 4.use a dry clutch (so primitave)

You can pick up a second hand 916, 996 etc or 748 for < $20,000. If
you're handy with a spanner, most of the servicing can be done by
yourself. Desmodromic valve adjustments is supposed to be the killer,
I'm told.

A lot of reliability problems I've heard of regarding Ducatis have, in
many instances, involved a mechanic or owner not following the service
schedule.

A dry clutch is simply a different type of clutch, not necessarily more
or less primitive than wet clutch.  There are advantages and
disadvantages. One of the disadvantages is that they wear out quicker,
another is that they are noisy (which the Ducatisti love!) I'm sure a
more mechanically minded person can chip in with more details.

I would love a good Ducati superbike. I can't justify it with a racing
habit that needs satisfying though ;) Since they are such specialised
beasts, you would really only enjoy it on a decent bit of road (like
the OPH before it was ruined) or the race track.

I'm not a fan of buying bikes to park outside cafes (hard to do in
enlightened Sydney, unlike Melbournistan), but obviously a Duke carries
a bit of ogling credibility.

As for the Monster series, they're a little tamer and less specialised.
A Jap twin will do a much better job if it just carries you to work
every day. Buy a Duke if you want performance and think they're sexy
looking.

Rgz,

Luke.

--
Luke Burton.
(PGP keys: http://www.hagus.net/pgp)

"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a
weasel."
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On 02/02/2004, at 1:19 PM, freak wrote:

> .i use to love Dukes, wanted a 916 as
> long as i can remember, till i talked to a few
> enthusiasts...the "desmo whatever" thing (4 valves per cylinder)
> bikes like the 916,996,998,999,748,749 bikes r
> 1.bloody dear to buy
> 2.bloody dear to service
> 3.not as reliable
> 4.use a dry clutch (so primitave)

You can pick up a second hand 916, 996 etc or 748 for < $20,000. If
you're handy with a spanner, most of the servicing can be done by
yourself. Desmodromic valve adjustments is supposed to be the killer,
I'm told.

A lot of reliability problems I've heard of regarding Ducatis have, in
many instances, involved a mechanic or owner not following the service
schedule.

A dry clutch is simply a different type of clutch, not necessarily more
or less primitive than wet clutch.  There are advantages and
disadvantages. One of the disadvantages is that they wear out quicker,
another is that they are noisy (which the Ducatisti love!) I'm sure a
more mechanically minded person can chip in with more details.

I would love a good Ducati superbike. I can't justify it with a racing
habit that needs satisfying though ;) Since they are such specialised
beasts, you would really only enjoy it on a decent bit of road (like
the OPH before it was ruined) or the race track.

I'm not a fan of buying bikes to park outside cafes (hard to do in
enlightened Sydney, unlike Melbournistan), but obviously a Duke carries
a bit of ogling credibility.

As for the Monster series, they're a little tamer and less specialised.
A Jap twin will do a much better job if it just carries you to work
every day. Buy a Duke if you want performance and think they're sexy
looking.

Rgz,

Luke.

--
Luke Burton.
(PGP keys: http://www.hagus.net/pgp)

"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a
weasel."
      -- Blackadder

ok emma, heres my serious reply.i use to love Dukes, wanted a 916 as
long as i can remember, till i talked to a few
enthusiasts...the "desmo whatever" thing (4 valves per cylinder)
bikes like the 916,996,998,999,748,749 bikes r
1.bloody dear to buy
2.bloody dear to service
3.not as reliable
4.use a dry clutch (so primitave)
  now ur talking about a 600Monster, different kettle of fish ( & i
kno that Doc,Lou etc will prob give me a hard time over this) but the
ppl i talk to who have owned them, seem to think there not as
reliable as jap bikes, and not as cheap to keep on the road...they r
apparently very similar motor design as the 1980's bikes , and  one
guy i kno over here actually sold a 900M to buy a gix 600 simply cos
he thought the duke was 2 hard to ride (handled like crap, cost a
fortune,and was not reliable enuf)..mind u it depends wot ur gunna
use it for (commuting??posing??riding hard??), how much of the
servicing etc u can do urself, and wot u like in a bike?
as said b4 many times, id b test riding ANYTHING i considered buying,
and trying to compare it ...if u like v-twins, compare it to a
SV650/1000 , or a vtr1000..i kno its a jap bike, and a bit bigger,
but u might b surprised...also with the z750 coming out,the
hornet,fazer 600 etc theres plenty of bikes around.....as i said, i
always loved the 916, but ill never own one (unless its a ornament in
my living room wen i win lotto)
hope this is of sum use..prob not tho
neka



--- In bikers_anon@..., "Young, Emma" <eyoung@w...>
wrote:
> I am hoping I can get a little bit of feed back (good or bad) from
any
> Ducati "experts" out there.
>
> I am looking at buying a 600 monster this afternoon, 2000 model with
> 12,500kms, and am a little concerned about their reliability, cost
in
> servicing and maintaining due to a number of things I have heard
over
> the years relating to Ducati's.
>
> I appreciate any feed back you may be able to give.
>
> Thank you and kind regards,
>
> Emma Young
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In bikers_anon@..., "philsch1" <phil@c...> wrote:
> Is there any (legal?) action an interest group such as ours can
take
> to prevent futher such nonsense?
>
> Phil
>
phil- i say a group protest, where we all park our bikes on said
road , sit on them naked & masterbate...now that would get sum attn!!
neka
sorry, funny mood...must b the funny ciggies they sell over here??

On 02/02/2004, at 12:58 PM, freak wrote:

>  luke- did the aliens probe its anus..i mean exhuast pipe??

Dunno, but it's been backfiring when I start it up lately!

--
Luke Burton.
(PGP keys: http://www.hagus.net/pgp)

Each new hour holds new chances
For new beginnings.
The horizon leans forward,
Offering you space to place new steps of change.

> Hey I haven't even told you about how aliens abducted my motorcycle
and
> performed experiments on it! And the insurance people refused to
> believe me, so they're in on it too!!
>
> --
> Luke Burton.
  luke- did the aliens probe its anus..i mean exhuast pipe??
neka

haha soph was that a blackadder quote?? sounds like rowan to me!!hehe
as for the rest of u...stop grumbling abt ur roads, and come over
here to SA & ill show u sum SPECTACULAR roads!!cos were a poor state,
they dont do roadwork (hehe) but most roads dont need it...nah theres
quite a few ex-nsw boys over here, who never went back after they saw
the roads..half the reason im still here (the other half is the fact
that women out number men in SA) hehe
neka



--- In bikers_anon@..., Sophie Dixon-Box
<sophiesmailbox@y...> wrote:
>  --- Jolyon Ansuz <jolyona@e...> wrote:
> > Methinks Lord Blackadder,
> >
> > there's something more afoot here that repaving road surfaces on
already
> > good corners, possibly  except to slow down motorcyclists. My
question
> > is why?
>
>
> They must have got their cunning plan from someone as cunning as a
fox
> that has just been made Professer of Cunning at Oxford University,
which
> makes it about as logical as sticking couple of pencils up your
nose and
> underpants on your head :)
>
>
>
>
> http://greetings.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Greetings
> Send your love online with Yahoo! Greetings - FREE!

From: Guy Stanford  president of the MCC of NSW
On the MCC website is a "Road Hazard Reporting Form"

www.roadsafety.mccofnsw.org.au <http://www.roadsafety.mccofnsw.org.au>

Send it to Gosford Council (all tools provided for lookup)


The old road is a Council road, not an RTA road, so calls to the RTA hotline
will be ignored.

THIS IS WHY WE PROVIDE THE HAZARD REPORTING FORM !!!!

it is HOW to complain.

flood them with complaints

Guy


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re: dangerous road surfaces.

Phil said: Is there any (legal?) action an interest group such as ours can
take to prevent further such nonsense?

Yes Phil there is something we can all do...  be ready to act and stay tuned
to the MotorCycyle Council of NSW http://www.mccofnsw.org.au/
<http://www.mccofnsw.org.au/>

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Deep in the bowels of the RTA website, they have listed a contact number to
report road surface damage.... I haven't used it yet, but I'm sure if enough
people ring in to bitch and moan, they will either get annoyed and close down
the number, or do something about it...


Reporting road surface damage: 131 700


There are also some details about RTA programs, filled with useless propaganda,
and meaningless statistics...
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/constructionmaintenance/downloads/maintroads_dl1.html

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/constructionmaintenance/downloads/maintroadmindex_dl1.\
html



It appears that the Motorcycle Council of NSW has fairly close ties with the
RTA, I haven't dealt personally with these guys, but they may have more
"weight", if any action was to be taken. The MCC NSW appear to be involved with
road safety issues for motorcyclists currently...

http://www.roadsafety.mccofnsw.org.au/a/9.html


I also know that cyclists (of the pedal power variety) are equally concerned of
the state of NSW roads, Cycling NSW may also be another avenue.....

cheers
p.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: philsch1
   To: bikers_anon@...
   Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 11:19 AM
   Subject: [bikers_anon] Re: Playtime's over


   Is there any (legal?) action an interest group such as ours can take
   to prevent futher such nonsense?

   Phil

   <snip>


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Is there any (legal?) action an interest group such as ours can take
to prevent futher such nonsense?

Phil

--- In bikers_anon@..., "Sean Hawley"
<sean_hawley@y...> wrote:
> If they were interested in saving money they would NOT have
> resurfaced large sections of near perfect bitumen, such as the
> constant radius 45kph left-hander (going up the hill).
>
> The relatively old section of resurfacing north of the Calga
> interchange illustrates the pointlessness of the resufacing, as the
> road now resembles the worse parts of the nasho (down beside the
> river).
>
> In recent times the Putty, BLoR and now the OPH have been
resurfaced
> with a surface inferior (or at best no better than) the original
> surface. In all cases the new surface has simply been layed on top
of
> the old surface so that all the old corrugations, dips, bumps etc
are
> still there but are just harder to see.
>
> Replacing a smooth road surface with coarse aggregate, results in
> reduced grip in all but the wettest condtions (less rubber to road
> surface contact).
>
> Sean
>
> --- In bikers_anon@..., Geoff <sonichedg_yahoo@s...>
> wrote:
> > Luke Burton wrote:
> > > ... at least if you're going up OPH any time soon.
> >
> >   The OPH, contrary to popular believe has been like this
> > on the top half at least, since Christmas. So I had to
> > slow down a bit - big deal.
> >
> >
> > > I would like to suggest that the selection of resurfacing
> material has
> > > been made with slowing down bikes in mind.
> >
> >   You're not the first. The conspiracy theories have been out
> > in force amongst the victimisation set for at least a week
> > now. If stumbling around crying "They're picking on me" helps
> > you to handle the realities of life, by all means go for it,
> > but the *reality* is that it's pretty difficult to sustain
> > an argument of malicious intent when 'incompetance' and
> > 'cost savings' are almost certainly the true reason.
> >
> >
> > G

and the professor with a degree in cunningness who designed such a scheme also
had a thingy shaped like a turnip, where his brain obviously resides...



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Sophie Dixon-Box
   To: bikers_anon@...
   Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:42 AM
   Subject: {Spam!} RE: [bikers_anon] Re: Playtime's over


   --- Jolyon Ansuz <jolyona@...> wrote:
   > Methinks Lord Blackadder,
   >
   > there's something more afoot here that repaving road surfaces on already
   > good corners, possibly  except to slow down motorcyclists. My question
   > is why?


   They must have got their cunning plan from someone as cunning as a fox
   that has just been made Professer of Cunning at Oxford University, which
   makes it about as logical as sticking couple of pencils up your nose and
   underpants on your head :)




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On 01/02/2004, at 7:47 AM, Geoff wrote:

>  You're not the first. The conspiracy theories have been out
> in force amongst the victimisation set for at least a week
> now. If stumbling around crying "They're picking on me" helps
> you to handle the realities of life, by all means go for it

Hey I haven't even told you about how aliens abducted my motorcycle and
performed experiments on it! And the insurance people refused to
believe me, so they're in on it too!!

--
Luke Burton.
(PGP keys: http://www.hagus.net/pgp)

Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon.

--- Jolyon Ansuz <jolyona@...> wrote:
> Methinks Lord Blackadder,
>
> there's something more afoot here that repaving road surfaces on already
> good corners, possibly  except to slow down motorcyclists. My question
> is why?


They must have got their cunning plan from someone as cunning as a fox
that has just been made Professer of Cunning at Oxford University, which
makes it about as logical as sticking couple of pencils up your nose and
underpants on your head :)




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I am hoping I can get a little bit of feed back (good or bad) from any
Ducati "experts" out there.

I am looking at buying a 600 monster this afternoon, 2000 model with
12,500kms, and am a little concerned about their reliability, cost in
servicing and maintaining due to a number of things I have heard over
the years relating to Ducati's.

I appreciate any feed back you may be able to give.

Thank you and kind regards,

Emma Young


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Methinks Lord Blackadder,

there's something more afoot here that repaving road surfaces on already
good corners, possibly  except to slow down motorcyclists. My question is
why?

On the weekend, I was quite startled to hook into a corner only to see in
the corner, freshly laid gravel and I could only hope that there was no
loose gravel.

Jolyon
ZZR600
0412735836

-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Hawley [mailto:sean_hawley@...]
Sent: Monday, 2 February 2004 10:18 AM
To: bikers_anon@...
Subject: [bikers_anon] Re: Playtime's over


If they were interested in saving money they would NOT have
resurfaced large sections of near perfect bitumen, such as the
constant radius 45kph left-hander (going up the hill).

The relatively old section of resurfacing north of the Calga
interchange illustrates the pointlessness of the resufacing, as the
road now resembles the worse parts of the nasho (down beside the
river).

In recent times the Putty, BLoR and now the OPH have been resurfaced
with a surface inferior (or at best no better than) the original
surface. In all cases the new surface has simply been layed on top of
the old surface so that all the old corrugations, dips, bumps etc are
still there but are just harder to see.

Replacing a smooth road surface with coarse aggregate, results in
reduced grip in all but the wettest condtions (less rubber to road
surface contact).

Sean

--- In bikers_anon@..., Geoff <sonichedg_yahoo@s...>
wrote:
> Luke Burton wrote:
> > ... at least if you're going up OPH any time soon.
>
>   The OPH, contrary to popular believe has been like this
> on the top half at least, since Christmas. So I had to
> slow down a bit - big deal.
>
>
> > I would like to suggest that the selection of resurfacing
material has
> > been made with slowing down bikes in mind.
>
>   You're not the first. The conspiracy theories have been out
> in force amongst the victimisation set for at least a week
> now. If stumbling around crying "They're picking on me" helps
> you to handle the realities of life, by all means go for it,
> but the *reality* is that it's pretty difficult to sustain
> an argument of malicious intent when 'incompetance' and
> 'cost savings' are almost certainly the true reason.
>
>
> G


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If they were interested in saving money they would NOT have
resurfaced large sections of near perfect bitumen, such as the
constant radius 45kph left-hander (going up the hill).

The relatively old section of resurfacing north of the Calga
interchange illustrates the pointlessness of the resufacing, as the
road now resembles the worse parts of the nasho (down beside the
river).

In recent times the Putty, BLoR and now the OPH have been resurfaced
with a surface inferior (or at best no better than) the original
surface. In all cases the new surface has simply been layed on top of
the old surface so that all the old corrugations, dips, bumps etc are
still there but are just harder to see.

Replacing a smooth road surface with coarse aggregate, results in
reduced grip in all but the wettest condtions (less rubber to road
surface contact).

Sean

--- In bikers_anon@..., Geoff <sonichedg_yahoo@s...>
wrote:
> Luke Burton wrote:
> > ... at least if you're going up OPH any time soon.
>
>   The OPH, contrary to popular believe has been like this
> on the top half at least, since Christmas. So I had to
> slow down a bit - big deal.
>
>
> > I would like to suggest that the selection of resurfacing
material has
> > been made with slowing down bikes in mind.
>
>   You're not the first. The conspiracy theories have been out
> in force amongst the victimisation set for at least a week
> now. If stumbling around crying "They're picking on me" helps
> you to handle the realities of life, by all means go for it,
> but the *reality* is that it's pretty difficult to sustain
> an argument of malicious intent when 'incompetance' and
> 'cost savings' are almost certainly the true reason.
>
>
> G

Hi Matt,
ring Wok on 0419 294 776 and annoy the shit out of him. He's pretty busy, so it
will be a hoot to hear about your annoying phone call ;-) He will come through
for you - he owns Millennium Signs , so no lack of resources. he loves crazy
stuff like that. He did the signage on my motocrosser when I was racing it and
throws us stuff for our roadracing (Ren and Stimpy Wasing)
Please give him heaps when you ring and he will know who sent  the call ;-)
Cheers,
Doc

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Mat Wake
   To: bikers_anon@...
   Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:07 AM
   Subject: [bikers_anon] design ideas / artists


   Im off to the track this weekend and a mate im going with said he
   would pay for fuel and new tyres when i own my own race team.

   So im gunna make up a few crew pit passes and stickers and shit as a
   joke. I just need a design for it. Its gunna be WTR Wake Twin Racing.

   I was thinking the W could be made up of 2 v-twin engines. But seeing
   as i have absolutely no artistic skill, i was hoping someone here
   would be able to help.

   Any ideas and shit welcome

   Any takers.



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