Hey everyone, a big thankyou for all your posts on the music issue.
I have taken them all( printed off) and passed them along with my
personal request that the board look into this issue, and try to
resolve it.   I think it may take a while tho! heheheh
    The issue was raised by several people, myself included, because
irrespective of anything, a lot of people get disturbed sleep in the
nights.  I hope what ever the outcome of the ongoing discussion, even
withsome compromise, we can get back to whats important, whatever that is.
          hehehehe I should run for parliament.
                     Keep safe out there.
                                             Pete

thanks guys for passion to ConFest
In the interest of making a difference
please post advice and ideas to
folks@...

"Benders (bills)comments follows"
Heya Confest Luverlies!
How many confests has Ian set up the red beach? How significant is his
contribution to the Confest Concert?

Everyone has an opinion on how confest can better suit their personal
tastes - it is up to each of us to provide a better stage with better
music if we feel that it is not to our tastes. Ian busts his balls
setting up that huge area every confest, I greatly value his
contribution to the festival.

For very complaint that music that is referred to as techno does not
belong at confest, I counter that you are not speaking for everyone.
Please don't try to divide dance music lovers into 'young' or some other
category. At the site, we are all confesters!

Appreciate, please! for what is confest without it?

With Love,
Bill


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> We have this discussion after EVERY Confest!!

If that is so, then there must be some problem. Instead of rolling your eyes
and thinking "Oh no! here we go again!", how about trying to work out (or
understand) just what the problem is, what the causes of the problem are, and
then what can be done to either eliminate it of reduce the impact of the
cause.

Your comment above is not merely not constructive, but is in fact a symptom of
the problem - namely lack of consideration of what most people come to
ConFest for.

So we need to answer these 4 questions:

Is there a problem?

If there is, then what exactly is it?

What are the primary causes of the problem?

What can be done to resolve the situation in a way that is satisfactory to all
concerned?
>
(My answers are:

Yes, there is a problem

A relatively small sub-group's activities are detracting from other's
enjoyment of ConFest.

The primary cause is the thoughtlessness of that sub-group, that is, they
don't stop to consider that their activities detract from other's enjoyment.

I'd personally prefer education to resolve things. That perhaps is a partial
answer. Perhaps a more complete answer would be to have a curfew on what I
note is referred to as "doof", but make sure that everyone who is at the
location is told why - that IMO is most important. Simply enforcing a curfew
without explaining why it is there would merely lead to bad feeling. If some
won't accept that their activities are disruptive, then perhaps they'd fit in
better somewhere other than at ConFest.)

There are no really easy answers, but the fact that this seems to rear its
heat regularly indicates that there is a real problem, and we (meaning ALL
ConFesters) must address it, and seek effective answers.

</end rant>
--
Alex Fisher

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Skype: (chat only) settantta
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Time limit is not unreasonable.
CERES has doof between 4:30 & 9:30pm on Sundays
and there are a couple hundred people.
ie They don't mind it not being an all nighter.

----- Original Message -----
From: "brett mcloughlin" <fiat100s@...>
To: "settantta" <settantta@...>; "silvialanzetta"
<silvialanzetta@...>
Cc: "confest" <confest@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re:Fwd: Re: [confest] Amplified music at ConFest, your views
please?


I think we are all been a little bit silly here!
We have to get with the times and move with them. Yes Silvia i got woken up
as well, but thats confest.
God created us with faults , so lets try and look at peoples positive
points, just two will do.
1 .We have to remember that these young people are the the new generation of
confesters!
2 .With out them there will be no more confests when we are all gone!
My opinon is yes let them play there music and let us old timers play ours.
But with some simple rules and no bending the rules!
The rules could be as simple as this no music before 10am and all music to
cease at midnight!
And have a designated area far away from the camping area!
Thats my view anyway!
Shine on !
Brett.


--- On Sat, 24/1/09, silvialanzetta <silvialanzetta@...> wrote:


From: silvialanzetta <silvialanzetta@...>
Subject: Re:Fwd: Re: [confest] Amplified music at ConFest, your views
please?
To: "settantta" <settantta@...>
Cc: "confest" <confest@...>
Received: Saturday, 24 January, 2009, 3:14 PM






I remember the beauty of the music at Easter Confest: Chai tent, so many
nice little bands, acustic bands, I mean. Paradise.
And, two nights in a row, the beauty of 30th or so musicians, sitting at the
edge of the tent: drums, violins, flutes... like one body, hours and hours,
and hours, different musicians entering the body, and then leaving it, and
the jam going from blues to folk to just drums to Celtic to Arabian...
Paradise.
I remember also somewhere I think near arts there was something similar to
red beach, where there was some sort of big drummings, which would do for
something similar to techno.. it was cool.
I do also remember about one hundred people sitting right off the chai tent,
in a circle, singing and play hippie chants.
Drums would not affect this, there was a nice balance. Drums would be
playing further away. Paradise.
The spirit of the land was singing.
And how about this last NY confest?
Guys, the problem is not JUST amplified music. The problem is that it seems
a forgetfulness of what confest is and therefore of what music at confest
should be.

> I just received this off-list. It brings up two things (you will need to
> scroll down to read the forwarded part)....
>
> First, folks, please make sure that you reply only to the list, and not
> directly to the poster. Two reasons for that - firstly, it is the only way
> the rest of us can see your comments. Secondly, it is extremely rude to
> email
> someone off-list without their permission (Either they have said you can
> on
> the list, or you specifically ask them - either request must be posted on
> the
> list first).
>
> Kev - I know that sound travels nicely over water. However, I said "NEAR
> Arts", not "AT Arts". My campsite was away from the river, close to 500 or
> more metres in, and well surrounded by scrub. The noise which woke me was
> not
> coming along the river, in fact is sounded as though it was coming from
> the
> market area.
>
> But whether sound carries along the river is actually irrelevant to this
> discussion. The fact that someone cranked up the sound at 3:30 AM
> indicates
> that that person (and anyone present in that location at the time who did
> not
> take some action to turn the level down) is an inconsiderate @R^&^@(*. How
> would you like it if you were sound asleep and someone started pumping
> Beethoven's 1812 Overture out at 500 watts right under your bedroom
> window?
>
> Of those camped in the same general vicinity who were so pissed off (most
> of
> them even more so than myself, BTW), most were actually fairly young - I
> would probably have been one of the oldest there.
>
> Still, ultimately it boils down to a question of consideration. If a small
> sub-group can't or won't show some consideration or restraint, then
> perhaps
> they should be forcibly prevented, or the activity be banned?
>
> ---Begin Forwarded Message---
>
> > Sound from Red Beach will travel nicely down the river to Arts Beach,
> > sound
> > travels well over water. I think that amped techno should be allowed on
> > new
> > years eve only and should cease at 2am. Lots of young people like techno
> > and it would add to the youthful atmosphere of the festival.
> > Kevin.
> > (Three times BigMumma ConFester)
> >
> > --- On Fri, 23/1/09, Alex Fisher <settantta@gmail. com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Alex Fisher <settantta@gmail. com>
> > Subject: Re: [confest] Amplified music at ConFest, your views please?
> > To: confest@yahoogroups .com.au
> > Received: Friday, 23 January, 2009, 8:30 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Depends on just what and how loud....
> >
> > ConFest just gone, I was woken at 3:20 AM (yes, I checked the time). The
> > noise which woke me was techno from Red Beach. Considering that I was
> > camped near Arts, it had to be pretty loud.
> >
> > I don't mind amplified music, but some types are quite inappropriate.
> > Techno and all other types of electronic noise is not appropriate for
> > ConFest. There are plenty of other "festivals" devoted to that sort of
> > thing.
> >
> > More importantly perhaps was the timing. Noise such as was blasting from
> > Red Beach might be tolerable in the evening, up until perhaps midnight,
> > always provided that the sound level is no such that it drowns out or
> > intrudes upon anyone or anything else that is further away than about a
> > kilometre. The racket I'm referring to would have been clearly audible
> > over
> > even a drumming circle, if that drumming was closer than about 500
> > metres.
> > Conclusion - it was unacceptable and inappropriate *at that time*.
> >
> > I wouldn't go along with a ban on amplified or electronic sound, but I
> > would certainly support a curfew, perhaps even some specific maximum SPL
> > as
> > measured by a dB meter at a range of 500 metres. If the level is over
> > that
> > point, then the perpetrators would be required to either reduce the
> > level
> > or turn the amps off.
> >
> > More interestingly, I know that I was not the only person totally pissed
> > off by the noise. Another ten minutes and there would have been a
> > distinct
> > possibility of a very angry crowd descending on Red Beach.....
> >
> > > I would like to hear peoples views on amplifier use at ConFest.
> > > Are they happy to have amplified sounds/music? do you think there
> > > should be a night time stoppage of amplified sound/music? etc.
> > > All views and suggestions can be made here or directly to me via
> > > email. It is very important that as many of you reply to this as this
> > > may go to shape future policy at ConFest.
> > > Thankyou,
> > > Pete
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------
> > >
> > > check out:
> > > http://au.groups. yahoo.com/ group/australian gatherings
> > > if you would like info / contribute info about other festivals.Yahoo!
> > > 7
> > > Groups Links
> >
> > --
> > Alex Fisher
> >
> > ICQ: 109592152
> > Yahoo: settantta
> > MSN: settantta@yahoo. com
> > Skype: (chat only) settantta
> > (ICQ preferred)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox.
> > Take a look http://au.docs. yahoo.com/ mail/smarterinbo x
>
> --
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>
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> MSN: settantta@yahoo. com
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>
















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In response to the email, copied below:

My enjoyment and love of ConFest comes from connecting with people and with
nature, the comparative freedom individuals can experience and the opportunity
this provides for personal growth, enjoyment and recharging the batteries of
life.

I believe the freedom is dependant on mutual respect and understanding - which
implies that anything is acceptable as long as it does not harm or significantly
inconvenience others.

I do not like amplified music nor doof and accept that others do.

I love most other forms of music and the connection that it can create between
people.

The question is, what about amplified and doof music - my views are:
   a.. I find amplified music unnecessary at ConFest, there are many other
festivals with amplified music - ConFest is unique, let us keep it so.
   b.. Amplified  music is obtrusive when played at a high volume.
   c.. It is unsettling and disturbing, not connecting or vibrant.
If amplification is necessary, then limit the volume and the time during which
it can drown out the sounds of nature, other music and if close enough to it
even conversation and affect sleep - thus for me it is detrimental to my reasons
for attending ConFest.

thanks for the opportunity to comment,
Jimmy

----- Original Message -----
   From: Pete
   To: confest@...
   Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:13 PM
   Subject: [confest] Amplified music at ConFest, your views please?


   I would like to hear peoples views on amplifier use at ConFest.
   Are they happy to have amplified sounds/music? do you think there
   should be a night time stoppage of amplified sound/music? etc.
   All views and suggestions can be made here or directly to me via
   email. It is very important that as many of you reply to this as this
   may go to shape future policy at ConFest.
   Thankyou,
   Pete
   .


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think we are all been a little bit silly here!
We have to get with the times and move with them. Yes Silvia i got woken up as
well, but thats confest.
God created us with faults , so lets try and look at peoples positive points,
just two will do.
1 .We have to remember that these young people are the the new generation of
confesters!
2 .With out them there will be no more confests when we are all gone!
My opinon is yes let them play there music and let us old timers play ours. But
with some simple rules and no bending the rules!
The rules could be as simple as this no music before 10am and all music to cease
at midnight!
And have a designated area far away from the camping area!
Thats my view anyway!
Shine on !
Brett.


--- On Sat, 24/1/09, silvialanzetta <silvialanzetta@...> wrote:


From: silvialanzetta <silvialanzetta@...>
Subject: Re:Fwd: Re: [confest] Amplified music at ConFest, your views please?
To: "settantta" <settantta@...>
Cc: "confest" <confest@...>
Received: Saturday, 24 January, 2009, 3:14 PM






I remember the beauty of the music at Easter Confest: Chai tent, so many nice
little bands, acustic bands, I mean. Paradise.
And, two nights in a row, the beauty of 30th or so musicians, sitting at the
edge of the tent: drums, violins, flutes... like one body, hours and hours, and
hours, different musicians entering the body, and then leaving it, and the jam
going from blues to folk to just drums to Celtic to Arabian...
Paradise.
I remember also somewhere I think near arts there was something similar to red
beach, where there was some sort of big drummings, which would do for something
similar to techno.. it was cool.
I do also remember about one hundred people sitting right off the chai tent, in
a circle, singing and play hippie chants.
Drums would not affect this, there was a nice balance. Drums would be playing
further away. Paradise.
The spirit of the land was singing.
And how about this last NY confest?
Guys, the problem is not JUST amplified music. The problem is that it seems a
forgetfulness of what confest is and therefore of what music at confest should
be.

> I just received this off-list. It brings up two things (you will need to
> scroll down to read the forwarded part)....
>
> First, folks, please make sure that you reply only to the list, and not
> directly to the poster. Two reasons for that - firstly, it is the only way
> the rest of us can see your comments. Secondly, it is extremely rude to email
> someone off-list without their permission (Either they have said you can on
> the list, or you specifically ask them - either request must be posted on the
> list first).
>
> Kev - I know that sound travels nicely over water. However, I said "NEAR
> Arts", not "AT Arts". My campsite was away from the river, close to 500 or
> more metres in, and well surrounded by scrub. The noise which woke me was not
> coming along the river, in fact is sounded as though it was coming from the
> market area.
>
> But whether sound carries along the river is actually irrelevant to this
> discussion. The fact that someone cranked up the sound at 3:30 AM indicates
> that that person (and anyone present in that location at the time who did not
> take some action to turn the level down) is an inconsiderate @R^&^@(*. How
> would you like it if you were sound asleep and someone started pumping
> Beethoven's 1812 Overture out at 500 watts right under your bedroom window?
>
> Of those camped in the same general vicinity who were so pissed off (most of
> them even more so than myself, BTW), most were actually fairly young - I
> would probably have been one of the oldest there.
>
> Still, ultimately it boils down to a question of consideration. If a small
> sub-group can't or won't show some consideration or restraint, then perhaps
> they should be forcibly prevented, or the activity be banned?
>
> ---Begin Forwarded Message---
>
> > Sound from Red Beach will travel nicely down the river to Arts Beach, sound
> > travels well over water. I think that amped techno should be allowed on new
> > years eve only and should cease at 2am. Lots of young people like techno
> > and it would add to the youthful atmosphere of the festival.
> > Kevin.
> > (Three times BigMumma ConFester) 
> >
> > --- On Fri, 23/1/09, Alex Fisher <settantta@gmail. com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Alex Fisher <settantta@gmail. com>
> > Subject: Re: [confest] Amplified music at ConFest, your views please?
> > To: confest@yahoogroups .com.au
> > Received: Friday, 23 January, 2009, 8:30 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Depends on just what and how loud....
> >
> > ConFest just gone, I was woken at 3:20 AM (yes, I checked the time). The
> > noise which woke me was techno from Red Beach. Considering that I was
> > camped near Arts, it had to be pretty loud.
> >
> > I don't mind amplified music, but some types are quite inappropriate.
> > Techno and all other types of electronic noise is not appropriate for
> > ConFest. There are plenty of other "festivals" devoted to that sort of
> > thing.
> >
> > More importantly perhaps was the timing. Noise such as was blasting from
> > Red Beach might be tolerable in the evening, up until perhaps midnight,
> > always provided that the sound level is no such that it drowns out or
> > intrudes upon anyone or anything else that is further away than about a
> > kilometre. The racket I'm referring to would have been clearly audible over
> > even a drumming circle, if that drumming was closer than about 500 metres.
> > Conclusion - it was unacceptable and inappropriate *at that time*.
> >
> > I wouldn't go along with a ban on amplified or electronic sound, but I
> > would certainly support a curfew, perhaps even some specific maximum SPL as
> > measured by a dB meter at a range of 500 metres. If the level is over that
> > point, then the perpetrators would be required to either reduce the level
> > or turn the amps off.
> >
> > More interestingly, I know that I was not the only person totally pissed
> > off by the noise. Another ten minutes and there would have been a distinct
> > possibility of a very angry crowd descending on Red Beach.....
> >
> > > I would like to hear peoples views on amplifier use at ConFest.
> > > Are they happy to have amplified sounds/music? do you think there
> > > should be a night time stoppage of amplified sound/music? etc.
> > > All views and suggestions can be made here or directly to me via
> > > email. It is very important that as many of you reply to this as this
> > > may go to shape future policy at ConFest.
> > > Thankyou,
> > > Pete
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------
> > >
> > > check out:
> > > http://au.groups. yahoo.com/ group/australian gatherings
> > > if you would like info / contribute info about other festivals.Yahoo! 7
> > > Groups Links
> >
> > --
> > Alex Fisher
> >
> > ICQ: 109592152
> > Yahoo: settantta
> > MSN: settantta@yahoo. com
> > Skype: (chat only) settantta
> > (ICQ preferred)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox.
> > Take a look http://au.docs. yahoo.com/ mail/smarterinbo x
>
> --
> Alex Fisher
>
> ICQ: 109592152
> Yahoo: settantta
> MSN: settantta@yahoo. com
> Skype: (chat only) settantta
> (ICQ preferred)
>
















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Thanks for all the feed back on amplified music

It is important to note that this forum is not (to my knowledge)

Used at meetings.

Please let them know how passionate you are for or against music.

........

I would love to hear more about your ConFest / Sydney ConFesters adventures
including car pooling and travels





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I think the thing is (at least it's my impression) folk don't really object
too much to the "music". What they object to is the incredible lack of
consideration for others that those relatively few denizens of Red Beach
display. I mean, cranking up the amps at 3:30 AM? that is inconsiderate in
the extreme, in fact in my opinion it is downright rude.

Let those who really HAVE to indulge do so (after all, Jim Cairns specifically
said "None may be excluded..."), but their noise should be such that it is
not audible more than about 200 metres from the edge of the Red Beach area.
Unfortunately for them, the only successful way to achieve that is to
drastically reduce the amount of bass, since low frequencies carry much
further without significant attenuation. Where I was camped, about 1 km from
the beach and 500 metres back from the river, it was the bass that woke me
up, and in fact that was virtually all I could hear. I know there was more,
voice etc, but it didn't carry that far.

In short, have your amplified stuff, but show some consideration for the rest
of us who aren't interested in that stuff. After all, we are the majority of
ConFesters...

> I nice little message from Doug. It seems that there are not all that many
> responses in favour of less amplified music. Perhaps that is because
> everywhere you go as far as people fests go there is no escaping from
> amplified music. It is a good point though where do people go to escape
> from amplified music but still have a social experience? Does the ConFest
> committee see themselves as having a role in this?
>
> 2009/1/29 <confest@...>
>
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> > <http://profiles.yahoo.com/douguan004>  Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:54 am (EST)
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I can and will only speak for myself. I've attended confest for about the
> > last 8-10 years on and off.  I come to confest to escape the city sounds,
> > the rat race, and to connect with people in a very natural environment.
> > I arrived on the afternoon of New Year's Eve, whilst the doof was
> > playing, and found bliss kitchen to be about the only location on site
> > where the doof was not heard.
> >
> > I find 120bpm or thereabouts designed to hype up, or stimulate the body
> > and senses, whether standing beside it, or hearing it from over a km
> > away.  It is the exact opposite of what I (and maybe others) come to
> > confest to find
> >
> > As much as I dislike doof, amplification in general is still the issue
> > for me, though... A day or two later, there was a lovely jam session, 3
> > musos... drums, guitar, sax I think... enjoyed the sounds wafting for
> > about 10 minutes before I was over it...
> >
> > Amplified sounds impact other activities on site... Where can other
> > musos play their acoustic sounds without competition from red beach. How
> > does one give a relaxing massage with doof intruding.
> >
> > I've always understood confest to be a place where one could do what one
> > likes as long it was not interfering with the general peace and happiness
> > of others around.... A place to choose participation or not, in whatever
> > is happening.  I find it very difficult to choose not to participate when
> > the sound reaches my ears wherever I am on site.
> >
> > I appreciate that a lot of work has gone into the red beach space.
> > Knowing that confest is all about diversity, I would be happy for
> > amplified music to continue to be a part of confest, to allow those who
> > enjoy entertainment of this type a space in this place, but ONLY if the
> > sounds of this space can be isolated from the rest of the site.
> >
> > There are many music festivals and raves.... there is only one confest,
> > and I enjoy it for what it is without amplification.
> >
> > This is my desire, thankyou for the opportunity to share my thoughts in
> > this space,
> >
> > Doug
> >
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I nice little message from Doug. It seems that there are not all that many
responses in favour of less amplified music. Perhaps that is because
everywhere you go as far as people fests go there is no escaping from
amplified music. It is a good point though where do people go to escape from
amplified music but still have a social experience? Does the ConFest
committee see themselves as having a role in this?

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> <http://profiles.yahoo.com/douguan004>  Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:54 am (EST)  Hi
> all,
>
> I can and will only speak for myself. I've attended confest for about the
> last 8-10 years on and off.  I come to confest to escape the city sounds,
> the rat race, and to connect with people in a very natural environment.  I
> arrived on the afternoon of New Year's Eve, whilst the doof was playing, and
> found bliss kitchen to be about the only location on site where the doof was
> not heard.
>
> I find 120bpm or thereabouts designed to hype up, or stimulate the body and
> senses, whether standing beside it, or hearing it from over a km away.  It
> is the exact opposite of what I (and maybe others) come to confest to find
>
> As much as I dislike doof, amplification in general is still the issue for
> me, though... A day or two later, there was a lovely jam session, 3 musos...
> drums, guitar, sax I think... enjoyed the sounds wafting for about 10
> minutes before I was over it...
>
> Amplified sounds impact other activities on site... Where can other
> musos play their acoustic sounds without competition from red beach. How
> does one give a relaxing massage with doof intruding.
>
> I've always understood confest to be a place where one could do what one
> likes as long it was not interfering with the general peace and happiness of
> others around.... A place to choose participation or not, in whatever is
> happening.  I find it very difficult to choose not to participate when the
> sound reaches my ears wherever I am on site.
>
> I appreciate that a lot of work has gone into the red beach space.  Knowing
> that confest is all about diversity, I would be happy for amplified music to
> continue to be a part of confest, to allow those who enjoy entertainment of
> this type a space in this place, but ONLY if the sounds of this space can be
> isolated from the rest of the site.
>
> There are many music festivals and raves.... there is only one confest, and
> I enjoy it for what it is without amplification.
>
> This is my desire, thankyou for the opportunity to share my thoughts in
> this space,
>
> Doug
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Hi all,
 
I can and will only speak for myself. I've attended confest for about the last
8-10 years on and off.  I come to confest to escape the city sounds, the rat
race, and to connect with people in a very natural environment.  I arrived on
the afternoon of New Year's Eve, whilst the doof was playing, and found bliss
kitchen to be about the only location on site where the doof was not heard.
 
I find 120bpm or thereabouts designed to hype up, or stimulate the body and
senses, whether standing beside it, or hearing it from over a km away.  It is
the exact opposite of what I (and maybe others) come to confest to find
 
As much as I dislike doof, amplification in general is still the issue for me,
though... A day or two later, there was a lovely jam session, 3 musos... drums,
guitar, sax I think... enjoyed the sounds wafting for about 10 minutes before I
was over it...

Amplified sounds impact other activities on site... Where can other musos play
their acoustic sounds without competition from red beach. How does one give a
relaxing massage with doof intruding.
 
I've always understood confest to be a place where one could do what one likes
as long it was not interfering with the general peace and happiness of others
around.... A place to choose participation or not, in whatever is happening.  I
find it very difficult to choose not to participate when the sound reaches my
ears wherever I am on site.
 
I appreciate that a lot of work has gone into the red beach space.  Knowing
that confest is all about diversity, I would be happy for amplified music to
continue to be a part of confest, to allow those who enjoy entertainment of this
type a space in this place, but ONLY if the sounds of this space can be isolated
from the rest of the site. 
 
There are many music festivals and raves.... there is only one confest, and I
enjoy it for what it is without amplification.
 
This is my desire, thankyou for the opportunity to share my thoughts in this
space,
 
Doug


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Heya Confest luverlies!
How many confests has Ian set up the red beach? How significant is his
contribution to the Confest Concert?

Everyone has an opinion on how confest can better suit their personal
tastes - it is up to each of us to provide a better stage with better
music if we feel that it is not to our tastes. Ian busts his balls
setting up that huge area every confest, I greatly value his
contribution to the festival.

For very complaint that music that is referred to as techno does not
belong at confest, I counter that you are not speaking for everyone.
Please don't try to divide dance music lovers into 'young' or some other
category. At the site, we are all confesters!

Appreciate, please! for what is confest without it?

With love,
Bill


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Even though I been funded for techno workshops and performances in the past
http://jo.koan.net/Events/Hybrid/easter.html
let me say I agree with Crystal.
And supported the abolition of amplified music back in late 90's.

But...

If there must be amplified music then it may as well be electronic music
since it cannot be produced any other way.
And there may as well be workshops (how to make electronic music)
to fit in with the Confest philosophy.
And it may as well incorporate the many fine acoustic musicians
at the festival (hence the name we used: "Hybrid").

Don't know that I would submit to Confest's undignified process of
requesting funding to do the same again.
And it was minimal funding (just for expenses) at that.
http://jo.koan.net/Events/Hybrid/xmas98.budget.html
Anyone wishing to do similar is welcome to use our budget
as a starting point for their own budget.

Maybe the commiittee now consists of younger people more in touch with
contemporary alternative culture.
I don't know, having not not attended Confest for about 6 years now.

Joe (DJ Squiggle)
http://djsquiggle.net

> For me the point of ConFest is that the venue provides an opportunity for
> people to exchange human energies. There are no "entertainers" and
> "audience" only participants. The use of amplifiers has a definite
> implication that the energetic input of a minority of "entertainers" is
> way
> more significant (hierarchy) than the "audience." In any case does a
> greater
> quantity of something compensate for a lack of quality? If the players are
> good do they need amplification? Sure everyone says we need amplification
> so
> "everyone" can hear. Perhaps thats because a lot of people are already
> half
> way deaf from over amplified music! Thats my main point in most cases the
> players energy is not being amplified. It is being "over amplified."
> Question. How often does the stage crew have a decibel measuring
> instrument?
> How loud is loud?

> Hey everyone,
>  
> If anyone is in the New Zealand region on the 30th Jan, the below festival
> is on, very similar to ConFest
> xxTam

Just took a look at the website - if you think it is similar to ConFest, then
I'm afraid you don't understand ConFest. Theirs has far more in common with
Exodus or Rainbow Serpent than ConFest....
>  
> LUMINATE FESTIVAL
>
> the $125 includes entry to all workshops for free, there is spacious
> camping, water, solar shower etc 2 zones of amplified music, 1 acoustic
> zone.
> healing zone, circus skills zone, plus 2 workshops zones.
> organic & vegetarian food, market stalls, plus coffee, chai etc. 
> no eftpos, cash only.
> no rubbish bins or recycling facilities.
>
>
> more info on the web site
>
>
> www.nativeharmonics.co.nz 
>
>
> you should be able to hitch a ride from Takaka quite easily
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> To: confest@...
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> Amplified music at ConFest, your views please?
> Posted by: "DT" dtmessage@...   dtellyaya
> Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:44 am (EST)
> We have this discussion after EVERY Confest!!
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> Fwd: Re: [confest] Amplified music at ConFest, your views please?
> Posted by: "Alex Fisher" settantta@...   settantta
> Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:07 am (EST)
> I just received this off-list. It brings up two things (you will need to
> scroll down to read the forwarded part)....
>
> First, folks, please make sure that you reply only to the list, and not
> directly to the poster. Two reasons for that - firstly, it is the only way
> the rest of us can see your comments. Secondly, it is extremely rude to
> email someone off-list without their permission (Either they have said you
> can on the list, or you specifically ask them - either request must be
> posted on the list first).
>
> Kev - I know that sound travels nicely over water. However, I said "NEAR
> Arts", not "AT Arts". My campsite was away from the river, close to 500 or
> more metres in, and well surrounded by scrub. The noise which woke me was
> not coming along the river, in fact is sounded as though it was coming from
> the market area.
>
> But whether sound carries along the river is actually irrelevant to this
> discussion. The fact that someone cranked up the sound at 3:30 AM indicates
> that that person (and anyone present in that location at the time who did
> not take some action to turn the level down) is an inconsiderate @R^&^@(*.
> How would you like it if you were sound asleep and someone started pumping
> Beethoven's 1812 Overture out at 500 watts right under your bedroom window?
>
> Of those camped in the same general vicinity who were so pissed off (most
> of them even more so than myself, BTW), most were actually fairly young - I
> would probably have been one of the oldest there.
>
> Still, ultimately it boils down to a question of consideration. If a small
> sub-group can't or won't show some consideration or restraint, then perhaps
> they should be forcibly prevented, or the activity be banned?
>
> ---Begin Forwarded Message---
>
> > Sound from Red Beach will travel nicely down the river to Arts Beach,
> > sound travels well over water. I think that amped techno should be
> > allowed on new years eve only and should cease at 2am. Lots of young
> > people like techno and it would add to the youthful atmosphere of the
> > festival.
> > Kevin.
> > (Three times BigMumma ConFester) 
> >
> > --- On Fri, 23/1/09, Alex Fisher <settantta@gmail. com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Alex Fisher <settantta@gmail. com>
> > Subject: Re: [confest] Amplified music at ConFest, your views please?
> > To: confest@yahoogroups .com.au
> > Received: Friday, 23 January, 2009, 8:30 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Depends on just what and how loud....
> >
> > ConFest just gone, I was woken at 3:20 AM (yes, I checked the time). The
> > noise which woke me was techno from Red Beach. Considering that I was
> > camped near Arts, it had to be pretty loud.
> >
> > I don't mind amplified music, but some types are quite inappropriate.
> > Techno and all other types of electronic noise is not appropriate for
> > ConFest. There are plenty of other "festivals" devoted to that sort of
> > thing.
> >
> > More importantly perhaps was the timing. Noise such as was blasting from
> > Red Beach might be tolerable in the evening, up until perhaps midnight,
> > always provided that the sound level is no such that it drowns out or
> > intrudes upon anyone or anything else that is further away than about a
> > kilometre. The racket I'm referring to would have been clearly audible
> > over even a drumming circle, if that drumming was closer than about 500
> > metres. Conclusion - it was unacceptable and inappropriate *at that
> > time*.
> >
> > I wouldn't go along with a ban on amplified or electronic sound, but I
> > would certainly support a curfew, perhaps even some specific maximum SPL
> > as measured by a dB meter at a range of 500 metres. If the level is over
> > that point, then the perpetrators would be required to either reduce the
> > level or turn the amps off.
> >
> > More interestingly, I know that I was not the only person totally pissed
> > off by the noise. Another ten minutes and there would have been a
> > distinct possibility of a very angry crowd descending on Red Beach.....
> >
> > > I would like to hear peoples views on amplifier use at ConFest.
> > > Are they happy to have amplified sounds/music? do you think there
> > > should be a night time stoppage of amplified sound/music? etc.
> > > All views and suggestions can be made here or directly to me via
> > > email. It is very important that as many of you reply to this as this
> > > may go to shape future policy at ConFest.
> > > Thankyou,
> > > Pete
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------
> > >
> > > check out:
> > > http://au.groups. yahoo.com/ group/australian gatherings
> > > if you would like info / contribute info about other festivals.Yahoo! 7
> > > Groups Links
> >
> > --
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> >
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> > Yahoo: settantta
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Hey everyone,
 
If anyone is in the New Zealand region on the 30th Jan, the below festival is
on, very similar to ConFest
 
xxTam
 
LUMINATE FESTIVAL

the $125 includes entry to all workshops for free, there is spacious camping,
water, solar shower etc
2 zones of amplified music, 1 acoustic zone.
healing zone, circus skills zone, plus 2 workshops zones.
organic & vegetarian food, market stalls, plus coffee, chai etc. 
no eftpos, cash only.
no rubbish bins or recycling facilities.


more info on the web site


www.nativeharmonics.co.nz 


you should be able to hitch a ride from Takaka quite easily
--- On Sun, 25/1/09, confest@... <confest@...>
wrote:


From: confest@... <confest@...>
Subject: [confest] Digest Number 501
To: confest@...
Received: Sunday, 25 January, 2009, 4:36 AM
















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Amplified music at ConFest, your views please? From: DT

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Fisher
2.2.
Fwd: Re: [confest] Amplified music at ConFest, your views please? From:
silvialanzetta

3.
Amplified music at ConFest From: Crystal Night
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Amplified music at ConFest, your views please?
Posted by: "DT" dtmessage@...   dtellyaya
Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:44 am (EST)
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Fwd: Re: [confest] Amplified music at ConFest, your views please?
Posted by: "Alex Fisher" settantta@...   settantta
Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:07 am (EST)
I just received this off-list. It brings up two things (you will need to
scroll down to read the forwarded part)....

First, folks, please make sure that you reply only to the list, and not
directly to the poster. Two reasons for that - firstly, it is the only way
the rest of us can see your comments. Secondly, it is extremely rude to email
someone off-list without their permission (Either they have said you can on
the list, or you specifically ask them - either request must be posted on the
list first).

Kev - I know that sound travels nicely over water. However, I said "NEAR
Arts", not "AT Arts". My campsite was away from the river, close to 500 or
more metres in, and well surrounded by scrub. The noise which woke me was not
coming along the river, in fact is sounded as though it was coming from the
market area.

But whether sound carries along the river is actually irrelevant to this
discussion. The fact that someone cranked up the sound at 3:30 AM indicates
that that person (and anyone present in that location at the time who did not
take some action to turn the level down) is an inconsiderate @R^&^@(*. How
would you like it if you were sound asleep and someone started pumping
Beethoven's 1812 Overture out at 500 watts right under your bedroom window?

Of those camped in the same general vicinity who were so pissed off (most of
them even more so than myself, BTW), most were actually fairly young - I
would probably have been one of the oldest there.

Still, ultimately it boils down to a question of consideration. If a small
sub-group can't or won't show some consideration or restraint, then perhaps
they should be forcibly prevented, or the activity be banned?

---Begin Forwarded Message---

> Sound from Red Beach will travel nicely down the river to Arts Beach, sound
> travels well over water. I think that amped techno should be allowed on new
> years eve only and should cease at 2am. Lots of young people like techno
> and it would add to the youthful atmosphere of the festival.
> Kevin.
> (Three times BigMumma ConFester) 
>
> --- On Fri, 23/1/09, Alex Fisher <settantta@gmail. com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Alex Fisher <settantta@gmail. com>
> Subject: Re: [confest] Amplified music at ConFest, your views please?
> To: confest@yahoogroups .com.au
> Received: Friday, 23 January, 2009, 8:30 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Depends on just what and how loud....
>
> ConFest just gone, I was woken at 3:20 AM (yes, I checked the time). The
> noise which woke me was techno from Red Beach. Considering that I was
> camped near Arts, it had to be pretty loud.
>
> I don't mind amplified music, but some types are quite inappropriate.
> Techno and all other types of electronic noise is not appropriate for
> ConFest. There are plenty of other "festivals" devoted to that sort of
> thing.
>
> More importantly perhaps was the timing. Noise such as was blasting from
> Red Beach might be tolerable in the evening, up until perhaps midnight,
> always provided that the sound level is no such that it drowns out or
> intrudes upon anyone or anything else that is further away than about a
> kilometre. The racket I'm referring to would have been clearly audible over
> even a drumming circle, if that drumming was closer than about 500 metres.
> Conclusion - it was unacceptable and inappropriate *at that time*.
>
> I wouldn't go along with a ban on amplified or electronic sound, but I
> would certainly support a curfew, perhaps even some specific maximum SPL as
> measured by a dB meter at a range of 500 metres. If the level is over that
> point, then the perpetrators would be required to either reduce the level
> or turn the amps off.
>
> More interestingly, I know that I was not the only person totally pissed
> off by the noise. Another ten minutes and there would have been a distinct
> possibility of a very angry crowd descending on Red Beach.....
>
> > I would like to hear peoples views on amplifier use at ConFest.
> > Are they happy to have amplified sounds/music? do you think there
> > should be a night time stoppage of amplified sound/music? etc.
> > All views and suggestions can be made here or directly to me via
> > email. It is very important that as many of you reply to this as this
> > may go to shape future policy at ConFest.
> > Thankyou,
> > Pete
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------ --------- --------- ------
> >
> > check out:
> > http://au.groups. yahoo.com/ group/australian gatherings
> > if you would like info / contribute info about other festivals.Yahoo! 7
> > Groups Links
>
> --
> Alex Fisher
>
> ICQ: 109592152
> Yahoo: settantta
> MSN: settantta@yahoo. com
> Skype: (chat only) settantta
> (ICQ preferred)
>
>
>
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> Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox.
> Take a look http://au.docs. yahoo.com/ mail/smarterinbo x

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Yahoo: settantta
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Fwd: Re: [confest] Amplified music at ConFest, your views please?
Posted by: "silvialanzetta" silvialanzetta@...
Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:14 pm (EST)
I remember the beauty of the music at Easter Confest: Chai tent, so many nice
little bands, acustic bands, I mean. Paradise.
And, two nights in a row, the beauty of 30th or so musicians, sitting at the
edge of the tent: drums, violins, flutes... like one body, hours and hours, and
hours, different musicians entering the body, and then leaving it, and the jam
going from blues to folk to just drums to Celtic to Arabian...
Paradise.
I remember also somewhere I think near arts there was something similar to red
beach, where there was some sort of big drummings, which would do for something
similar to techno.. it was cool.
I do also remember about one hundred people sitting right off the chai tent, in
a circle, singing and play hippie chants.
Drums would not affect this, there was a nice balance. Drums would be playing
further away. Paradise.
The spirit of the land was singing.
And how about this last NY confest?
Guys, the problem is not JUST amplified music. The problem is that it seems a
forgetfulness of what confest is and therefore of what music at confest should
be.

> I just received this off-list. It brings up two things (you will need to
> scroll down to read the forwarded part)....
>
> First, folks, please make sure that you reply only to the list, and not
> directly to the poster. Two reasons for that - firstly, it is the only way
> the rest of us can see your comments. Secondly, it is extremely rude to email
> someone off-list without their permission (Either they have said you can on
> the list, or you specifically ask them - either request must be posted on the
> list first).
>
> Kev - I know that sound travels nicely over water. However, I said "NEAR
> Arts", not "AT Arts". My campsite was away from the river, close to 500 or
> more metres in, and well surrounded by scrub. The noise which woke me was not
> coming along the river, in fact is sounded as though it was coming from the
> market area.
>
> But whether sound carries along the river is actually irrelevant to this
> discussion. The fact that someone cranked up the sound at 3:30 AM indicates
> that that person (and anyone present in that location at the time who did not
> take some action to turn the level down) is an inconsiderate @R^&^@(*. How
> would you like it if you were sound asleep and someone started pumping
> Beethoven's 1812 Overture out at 500 watts right under your bedroom window?
>
> Of those camped in the same general vicinity who were so pissed off (most of
> them even more so than myself, BTW), most were actually fairly young - I
> would probably have been one of the oldest there.
>
> Still, ultimately it boils down to a question of consideration. If a small
> sub-group can't or won't show some consideration or restraint, then perhaps
> they should be forcibly prevented, or the activity be banned?
>
> ---Begin Forwarded Message---
>
> > Sound from Red Beach will travel nicely down the river to Arts Beach, sound
> > travels well over water. I think that amped techno should be allowed on new
> > years eve only and should cease at 2am. Lots of young people like techno
> > and it would add to the youthful atmosphere of the festival.
> > Kevin.
> > (Three times BigMumma ConFester) 
> >
> > --- On Fri, 23/1/09, Alex Fisher <settantta@gmail. com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Alex Fisher <settantta@gmail. com>
> > Subject: Re: [confest] Amplified music at ConFest, your views please?
> > To: confest@yahoogroups .com.au
> > Received: Friday, 23 January, 2009, 8:30 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Depends on just what and how loud....
> >
> > ConFest just gone, I was woken at 3:20 AM (yes, I checked the time). The
> > noise which woke me was techno from Red Beach. Considering that I was
> > camped near Arts, it had to be pretty loud.
> >
> > I don't mind amplified music, but some types are quite inappropriate.
> > Techno and all other types of electronic noise is not appropriate for
> > ConFest. There are plenty of other "festivals" devoted to that sort of
> > thing.
> >
> > More importantly perhaps was the timing. Noise such as was blasting from
> > Red Beach might be tolerable in the evening, up until perhaps midnight,
> > always provided that the sound level is no such that it drowns out or
> > intrudes upon anyone or anything else that is further away than about a
> > kilometre. The racket I'm referring to would have been clearly audible over
> > even a drumming circle, if that drumming was closer than about 500 metres.
> > Conclusion - it was unacceptable and inappropriate *at that time*.
> >
> > I wouldn't go along with a ban on amplified or electronic sound, but I
> > would certainly support a curfew, perhaps even some specific maximum SPL as
> > measured by a dB meter at a range of 500 metres. If the level is over that
> > point, then the perpetrators would be required to either reduce the level
> > or turn the amps off.
> >
> > More interestingly, I know that I was not the only person totally pissed
> > off by the noise. Another ten minutes and there would have been a distinct
> > possibility of a very angry crowd descending on Red Beach.....
> >
> > > I would like to hear peoples views on amplifier use at ConFest.
> > > Are they happy to have amplified sounds/music? do you think there
> > > should be a night time stoppage of amplified sound/music? etc.
> > > All views and suggestions can be made here or directly to me via
> > > email. It is very important that as many of you reply to this as this
> > > may go to shape future policy at ConFest.
> > > Thankyou,
> > > Pete
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------
> > >
> > > check out:
> > > http://au.groups. yahoo.com/ group/australian gatherings
> > > if you would like info / contribute info about other festivals.Yahoo! 7
> > > Groups Links
> >
> > --
> > Alex Fisher
> >
> > ICQ: 109592152
> > Yahoo: settantta
> > MSN: settantta@yahoo. com
> > Skype: (chat only) settantta
> > (ICQ preferred)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Amplified music at ConFest
Posted by: "Crystal Night" moondani@...   spamaty
Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:38 pm (EST)
For me the point of ConFest is that the venue provides an opportunity for
people to exchange human energies. There are no "entertainers" and
"audience" only participants. The use of amplifiers has a definite
implication that the energetic input of a minority of "entertainers" is way
more significant (hierarchy) than the "audience." In any case does a greater
quantity of something compensate for a lack of quality? If the players are
good do they need amplification? Sure everyone says we need amplification so
"everyone" can hear. Perhaps thats because a lot of people are already half
way deaf from over amplified music! Thats my main point in most cases the
players energy is not being amplified. It is being "over amplified."
Question. How often does the stage crew have a decibel measuring instrument?
How loud is loud?

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I'm happy for Confest to feature amplified music in designated places,
such as Red Beach, but only up until a certain time, perhaps midnight,
later on NYE, but even then a curfew of say 3am for that night only.
Music, such as ambient techno/dub, could be played all night if people
wanted it provided it did not disturb those camped nearby, so it would
need to kept low; there was one night when it was as such, I think the
Saturday night of the Summer Confest (3/1/09) if memory serves me
well. I'm sure there is a compromise that could work for all,
including the wildlife.

For me the point of ConFest is that the venue provides an opportunity for
people to exchange human energies. There are no "entertainers" and
"audience" only participants. The use of amplifiers has a definite
implication that the energetic input of a minority of "entertainers" is way
more significant (hierarchy) than the "audience." In any case does a greater
quantity of something compensate for a lack of quality? If the players are
good do they need amplification? Sure everyone says we need amplification so
"everyone" can hear. Perhaps thats because a lot of people are already half
way deaf from over amplified music! Thats my main point in most cases the
players energy is not being amplified. It is being "over amplified."
Question. How often does the stage crew have a decibel measuring instrument?
How loud is loud?


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I remember the beauty of the music at Easter Confest: Chai tent, so many nice
little bands, acustic bands, I mean. Paradise.
And, two nights in a row, the beauty of 30th or so musicians, sitting at the
edge of the tent: drums, violins, flutes... like one body, hours and hours, and
hours, different musicians entering the body, and then leaving it, and the jam
going from blues to folk to just drums to Celtic to Arabian...
Paradise.
I remember also somewhere I think near arts there was something similar to red
beach, where there was some sort of big drummings, which would do for something
similar to techno.. it was cool.
I do also remember about one hundred people sitting right off the chai tent, in
a circle, singing and play hippie chants.
Drums would not affect this, there was a nice balance. Drums would be playing
further away. Paradise.
The spirit of the land was singing.
And how about this last NY confest?
Guys, the problem is not JUST amplified music. The problem is that it seems a
forgetfulness of what confest is and therefore of what music at confest should
be.








> I just received this off-list. It brings up two things (you will need to
> scroll down to read the forwarded part)....
>
> First, folks, please make sure that you reply only to the list, and not
> directly to the poster. Two reasons for that - firstly, it is the only way
> the rest of us can see your comments. Secondly, it is extremely rude to email
> someone off-list without their permission (Either they have said you can on
> the list, or you specifically ask them - either request must be posted on the
> list first).
>
> Kev - I know that sound travels nicely over water. However, I said "NEAR
> Arts", not "AT Arts". My campsite was away from the river, close to 500 or
> more metres in, and well surrounded by scrub. The noise which woke me was not
> coming along the river, in fact is sounded as though it was coming from the
> market area.
>
> But whether sound carries along the river is actually irrelevant to this
> discussion. The fact that someone cranked up the sound at 3:30 AM indicates
> that that person (and anyone present in that location at the time who did not
> take some action to turn the level down) is an inconsiderate @R^&^@(*. How
> would you like it if you were sound asleep and someone started pumping
> Beethoven's 1812 Overture out at 500 watts right under your bedroom window?
>
> Of those camped in the same general vicinity who were so pissed off (most of
> them even more so than myself, BTW), most were actually fairly young - I
> would probably have been one of the oldest there.
>
> Still, ultimately it boils down to a question of consideration. If a small
> sub-group can't or won't show some consideration or restraint, then perhaps
> they should be forcibly prevented, or the activity be banned?
>
> ---Begin Forwarded Message---
>
> > Sound from Red Beach will travel nicely down the river to Arts Beach, sound
> > travels well over water. I think that amped techno should be allowed on new
> > years eve only and should cease at 2am. Lots of young people like techno
> > and it would add to the youthful atmosphere of the festival.
> > Kevin.
> > (Three times BigMumma ConFester) 
> >
> > --- On Fri, 23/1/09, Alex Fisher <settantta@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Alex Fisher <settantta@...>
> > Subject: Re: [confest] Amplified music at ConFest, your views please?
> > To: confest@...
> > Received: Friday, 23 January, 2009, 8:30 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Depends on just what and how loud....
> >
> > ConFest just gone, I was woken at 3:20 AM (yes, I checked the time). The
> > noise which woke me was techno from Red Beach. Considering that I was
> > camped near Arts, it had to be pretty loud.
> >
> > I don't mind amplified music, but some types are quite inappropriate.
> > Techno and all other types of electronic noise is not appropriate for
> > ConFest. There are plenty of other "festivals" devoted to that sort of
> > thing.
> >
> > More importantly perhaps was the timing. Noise such as was blasting from
> > Red Beach might be tolerable in the evening, up until perhaps midnight,
> > always provided that the sound level is no such that it drowns out or
> > intrudes upon anyone or anything else that is further away than about a
> > kilometre. The racket I'm referring to would have been clearly audible over
> > even a drumming circle, if that drumming was closer than about 500 metres.
> > Conclusion - it was unacceptable and inappropriate *at that time*.
> >
> > I wouldn't go along with a ban on amplified or electronic sound, but I
> > would certainly support a curfew, perhaps even some specific maximum SPL as
> > measured by a dB meter at a range of 500 metres. If the level is over that
> > point, then the perpetrators would be required to either reduce the level
> > or turn the amps off.
> >
> > More interestingly, I know that I was not the only person totally pissed
> > off by the noise. Another ten minutes and there would have been a distinct
> > possibility of a very angry crowd descending on Red Beach.....
> >
> > > I would like to hear peoples views on amplifier use at ConFest.
> > > Are they happy to have amplified sounds/music? do you think there
> > > should be a night time stoppage of amplified sound/music? etc.
> > > All views and suggestions can be made here or directly to me via
> > > email. It is very important that as many of you reply to this as this
> > > may go to shape future policy at ConFest.
> > > Thankyou,
> > > Pete
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------
> > >
> > > check out:
> > > http://au.groups. yahoo.com/ group/australian gatherings
> > > if you would like info / contribute info about other festivals.Yahoo! 7
> > > Groups Links
> >
> > --
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
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I just received this off-list. It brings up two things (you will need to
scroll down to read the forwarded part)....

First, folks, please make sure that you reply only to the list, and not
directly to the poster. Two reasons for that - firstly, it is the only way
the rest of us can see your comments. Secondly, it is extremely rude to email
someone off-list without their permission (Either they have said you can on
the list, or you specifically ask them - either request must be posted on the
list first).

Kev - I know that sound travels nicely over water. However, I said "NEAR
Arts", not "AT Arts". My campsite was away from the river, close to 500 or
more metres in, and well surrounded by scrub. The noise which woke me was not
coming along the river, in fact is sounded as though it was coming from the
market area.

But whether sound carries along the river is actually irrelevant to this
discussion. The fact that someone cranked up the sound at 3:30 AM indicates
that that person (and anyone present in that location at the time who did not
take some action to turn the level down) is an inconsiderate @R^&^@(*. How
would you like it if you were sound asleep and someone started pumping
Beethoven's 1812 Overture out at 500 watts right under your bedroom window?

Of those camped in the same general vicinity who were so pissed off (most of
them even more so than myself, BTW), most were actually fairly young - I
would probably have been one of the oldest there.

Still, ultimately it boils down to a question of consideration. If a small
sub-group can't or won't show some consideration or restraint, then perhaps
they should be forcibly prevented, or the activity be banned?

---Begin Forwarded Message---

> Sound from Red Beach will travel nicely down the river to Arts Beach, sound
> travels well over water. I think that amped techno should be allowed on new
> years eve only and should cease at 2am. Lots of young people like techno
> and it would add to the youthful atmosphere of the festival.
> Kevin.
> (Three times BigMumma ConFester) 
>
> --- On Fri, 23/1/09, Alex Fisher <settantta@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Alex Fisher <settantta@...>
> Subject: Re: [confest] Amplified music at ConFest, your views please?
> To: confest@...
> Received: Friday, 23 January, 2009, 8:30 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Depends on just what and how loud....
>
> ConFest just gone, I was woken at 3:20 AM (yes, I checked the time). The
> noise which woke me was techno from Red Beach. Considering that I was
> camped near Arts, it had to be pretty loud.
>
> I don't mind amplified music, but some types are quite inappropriate.
> Techno and all other types of electronic noise is not appropriate for
> ConFest. There are plenty of other "festivals" devoted to that sort of
> thing.
>
> More importantly perhaps was the timing. Noise such as was blasting from
> Red Beach might be tolerable in the evening, up until perhaps midnight,
> always provided that the sound level is no such that it drowns out or
> intrudes upon anyone or anything else that is further away than about a
> kilometre. The racket I'm referring to would have been clearly audible over
> even a drumming circle, if that drumming was closer than about 500 metres.
> Conclusion - it was unacceptable and inappropriate *at that time*.
>
> I wouldn't go along with a ban on amplified or electronic sound, but I
> would certainly support a curfew, perhaps even some specific maximum SPL as
> measured by a dB meter at a range of 500 metres. If the level is over that
> point, then the perpetrators would be required to either reduce the level
> or turn the amps off.
>
> More interestingly, I know that I was not the only person totally pissed
> off by the noise. Another ten minutes and there would have been a distinct
> possibility of a very angry crowd descending on Red Beach.....
>
> > I would like to hear peoples views on amplifier use at ConFest.
> > Are they happy to have amplified sounds/music? do you think there
> > should be a night time stoppage of amplified sound/music? etc.
> > All views and suggestions can be made here or directly to me via
> > email. It is very important that as many of you reply to this as this
> > may go to shape future policy at ConFest.
> > Thankyou,
> > Pete
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------ --------- --------- ------
> >
> > check out:
> > http://au.groups. yahoo.com/ group/australian gatherings
> > if you would like info / contribute info about other festivals.Yahoo! 7
> > Groups Links
>
> --
> Alex Fisher
>
> ICQ: 109592152
> Yahoo: settantta
> MSN: settantta@yahoo. com
> Skype: (chat only) settantta
> (ICQ preferred)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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MSN: settantta@...
Skype: (chat only) settantta
(ICQ preferred)

We have this discussion after EVERY Confest!!

Depends on just what and how loud....

ConFest just gone, I was woken at 3:20 AM (yes, I checked the time). The noise
which woke me was techno from Red Beach. Considering that I was camped near
Arts, it had to be pretty loud.

I don't mind amplified music, but some types are quite inappropriate. Techno
and all other types of electronic noise is not appropriate for ConFest. There
are plenty of other "festivals" devoted to that sort of thing.

More importantly perhaps was the timing. Noise such as was blasting from Red
Beach might be tolerable in the evening, up until perhaps midnight, always
provided that the sound level is no such that it drowns out or intrudes upon
anyone or anything else that is further away than about a kilometre. The
racket I'm referring to would have been clearly audible over even a drumming
circle, if that drumming was closer than about 500 metres. Conclusion - it
was unacceptable and inappropriate *at that time*.

I wouldn't go along with a ban on amplified or electronic sound, but I would
certainly support a curfew, perhaps even some specific maximum SPL as
measured by a dB meter at a range of 500 metres. If the level is over that
point, then the perpetrators would be required to either reduce the level or
turn the amps off.

More interestingly, I know that I was not the only person totally pissed off
by the noise. Another ten minutes and there would have been a distinct
possibility of a very angry crowd descending on Red Beach.....


>    I would like to hear peoples views on amplifier use at ConFest.
> Are they happy to have amplified sounds/music? do you think there
> should be a night time stoppage of amplified sound/music? etc.
>      All views and suggestions can be made here or directly to me via
> email. It is very important that as many of you reply to this as this
> may go to shape future policy at ConFest.
>           Thankyou,
>                           Pete
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> check out:
> http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/australiangatherings
> if you would like info / contribute info about other festivals.Yahoo!7
> Groups Links
>
>
>
--
Alex Fisher

ICQ: 109592152
Yahoo: settantta
MSN: settantta@...
Skype: (chat only) settantta
(ICQ preferred)

I would like to hear peoples views on amplifier use at ConFest.
Are they happy to have amplified sounds/music? do you think there
should be a night time stoppage of amplified sound/music? etc.
      All views and suggestions can be made here or directly to me via
email. It is very important that as many of you reply to this as this
may go to shape future policy at ConFest.
           Thankyou,
                           Pete

Dear confesters, I'm Heather -  during summer confest and many people offered
me a lot of help as i had some injuries. I would like to give a heartfelt THANK
YOU! to everyone that offered me physical help or words of support. THis
year I was blessed to camp in the serenity of Bliss Thank you to everyone who
contributed to confest and Bliss. I had a wonderful enlightening time. .
Love Heather


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Aloha all,

Well, only two days of ConFest left to go now and I must say that I
have had a wonderful time.  I had anticipated that we'd have only a
small turnout after the shocking weather at last year's one but it
was surprising to see we have had nice weather and a healthy turnup
of new first timers as well as some of the regulars.

Quite possibly the best highlight of the event was the bodypainted
nudist wedding in the arts village with the tribal drummers
providing the music.  The designs were completely awesome! :-)

It was great meeting up with Benny Menczer and Viola Morris again,
as well as David Cameron and Grant Waldram who have done a great job
in the first aid tent.

One of my goals this year is to host a Brisbane leg of Confest
sometime in November once the school and uni holidays start,
possibly as an alternative to "Schoolies Week".  If there are any
people on here who ahve a bit of knowhow with event planning and
management who can give me some tips and advice on how to run a
similar event (like Sydney's conFest and the ConFab swim parties in
Melbourne), then your advice would be very much appreciated.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/brisbane-confest

Until Easter or next Christmas, namaste!


Dario Western

> Just got this from another Yahoo Group owner and thought I would pass
> along the information:
>
> Yahoo is Tracking Group Members
>
> If you belong to ANY Yahoo Groups - be aware that Yahoo is now using
> "Web Beacons" to track every Yahoo Group user. It's similar to
> cookies, but allows Yahoo to record every web site and every group you
> visit, even when you're not connected to Yahoo.
>
> Look at their updated privacy statement at
>
http://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/details.html>http://info.yahoo.com/privac\
y/us/yahoo/details.html
>
> About half-way down the page, in the section on cookies, you will see
> a link that says WEB BEACONS. Click on the phrase "Web Beacons." On
> the page that opens, on the left find a box entitled "Opt-Out.". In
> that section find "opt-out of interest-matched advertising" link that
> will let you "opt-out" of their snooping. Click it and then click the
> opt-out button on the next page. Note that Yahoo's invasion of your
> privacy - and your ability to opt-out of it - is not user-specific. It
> is MACHINE specific. That means you will have to opt-out on every
> computer (and browser) you use. Please forward this to your other
> groups. You might complain, too, but I'm not sure if anyone is
> listening. I remember when they signed all users up to get spam and we
> had to opt out of that a few years ago.
>
> Please send this to anyone or any group you would like.

Benjamin

Blue Electric Night

Walking the talk!!





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Firstly i hope every one got thier lift to confest
I would love to hear your stories
i will pop mine in when im a little more composed
Love light and laughter :-)
Benny

Ps i apologise to the few whos lift requests and offeres didnt make it
through

hi guys have a great trip down and a merry xmass.im leaving in 5 mins full up to
te eye
balls from syndey
in order to give people more information
please say if your looking for  or have a lift available.
i will not moderate for a little while so  last minute lifts can get sorted,
please accept my
aplologies till i return and switch moderation back on,
I love you guys and would love you to come introduce yourself if you see me at
confest,

love light laughter and dancing
Benny (moderator)
0412363930
(while my phone is still in range if i can help in some way)

I have two seats available for a lift from Sydney.
probable will leave on the 28th
If you are interested drop me an email
Bert

Hi to all confesters,
 
I am Peter and looking to offer a lift to confest, I am seeking 1 possibley 2
passengers Sydney based probably leaving on 28/29/12/08.  
 
I can be contacted on 0416 263 802 anytime.
 
Cheers Peter


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Walking the talk!!



From: robin bowen [mailto:robin.healing@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 23 December 2008 1:26 PM
To: Robin's personal and healing
Subject: weather outlook for DTE confest over New Year



hi all lovely beings who may be going to DTE confest near Moulamein over the
New Year !?!

the weather outlook is warm to hot to very hot.
Looks like a bit of rain to freshen the site leading up to confest,
then fine weather to the end of confest.
Temperatures are likely to get hotter as the confest goes on.
Expect low 30's to start and getting into the high 30s next year :-).
No sign of temps reaching into the 40s at this time so fingers crossed !
Of course if there is cloud around then temperatures will be lower and so
far this summer
there has been a lot of cloud !

Warning this is NOT a forecast just my impression of what the computer
models are saying !?!
I will send more info after Xmas.
Have fun with the festivities ...

love'n'hugs

Robin

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