----- Original Message -----

From: pete.naylor

To: duo620@...

Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 1:46 AM

Subject: [duo620] Re: Oooops!!

 

Thanks for that personal family reminiscence, Rich. $14 pw makes the $57.50 for a Duo seem like quite a mountain. By the way, when you were going through those former Kodak documents the other evening, did the payroll records give any hint of how much the average Joe (or Jill) working at EKC was paid? I wonder also if EKC was regarded as a 'good' employer compared to other large factory setups in Rochester. George Eastman had a reputation for being a hard-headed businessman in his financial dealings, but he also believed in hiring the best available brains for designs. So the services of Walter Teage's design house can't have come cheap, but they certainly did a great job especially on the 'art-deco' stuff like the Bantam Special and the Six-20 and Six-16 folders, didn't they?

Pete N

--- In duo620@yahoogroups.com.au, "R.C.Booth" <rcbooth@...> wrote:
>
> Pete,
>
> Lately there hasn't been much discussion in the group so there's nothing like making a new member doubly welcome to encourage him to stay and participate!!
>
> Regarding the 1939 Duo620 price of $57, I remember my mother telling me that after two years of experience she started a new secretarial job that year at $14 per week. She was told not to disclose that figure as many other secretaries in the office were not making that much. Her new employer was the A.C.Gilbert Co. and, while she stopped working after my birth, she received a lifetime employee discount on products. I received my first Gilbert train set when I was five and then an Erector Set and so forth. I still have them.
>
> RCB
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pete.naylor
> To: duo620@yahoogroups.com.au
> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:00 AM
> Subject: [duo620] Oooops!!
>
>
>
> Guys - sorry about the apparent doubling-up of my 'welcome' posts to Richard. What happened was that even after I'd posted the first one, it still hadn't appeared long after.
>
> So I presumed it had disappeared into Yahoo Cyberspace, and sat down to do it all over again. Now I see the original one has magically shown up after well over an hour. Sheesh - ain't computers the most wonderful but annoying things?
>
> PETE N.
>

Thanks for that personal family reminiscence, Rich.   $14 pw makes the $57.50
for a Duo seem like quite a mountain.   By the way, when you were going through
those former Kodak documents the other evening, did the payroll records give any
hint of how much the average Joe (or Jill) working at EKC was paid?   I wonder
also if EKC was regarded as a 'good' employer compared to other large factory
setups in Rochester.   George Eastman had a reputation for being a hard-headed
businessman in his financial dealings, but he also believed in hiring the best
available brains for designs.    So the services of Walter Teage's design house
can't have come cheap, but they certainly did a great job especially on the
'art-deco' stuff like the Bantam Special and the Six-20 and Six-16 folders,
didn't they?

Pete N











--- In duo620@..., "R.C.Booth" <rcbooth@...> wrote:
>
> Pete,
>
> Lately there hasn't been much discussion in the group so there's nothing like
making a new member doubly welcome to encourage him to stay and participate!!
>
> Regarding the 1939 Duo620 price of $57, I remember my mother telling me that
after two years of experience she started a new secretarial job that year at $14
per week.  She was told not to disclose that figure as many other secretaries in
the office were not making that much.  Her new employer was the A.C.Gilbert Co.
and, while she stopped working after my birth, she received a lifetime employee
discount on products.  I received my first Gilbert train set when I was five and
then an Erector Set and so forth.  I still have them.
>
> RCB
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: pete.naylor
>   To: duo620@...
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:00 AM
>   Subject: [duo620] Oooops!!
>
>
>
>   Guys - sorry about the apparent doubling-up of my 'welcome' posts to
Richard. What happened was that even after I'd posted the first one, it still
hadn't appeared long after.
>
>   So I presumed it had disappeared into Yahoo Cyberspace, and sat down to do
it all over again. Now I see the original one has magically shown up after well
over an hour. Sheesh - ain't computers the most wonderful but annoying things?
>
>   PETE N.
>

----- Original Message -----

From: pete.naylor

To: duo620@...

Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:00 AM

Subject: [duo620] Oooops!!

 

Guys - sorry about the apparent doubling-up of my 'welcome' posts to Richard. What happened was that even after I'd posted the first one, it still hadn't appeared long after.

So I presumed it had disappeared into Yahoo Cyberspace, and sat down to do it all over again. Now I see the original one has magically shown up after well over an hour. Sheesh - ain't computers the most wonderful but annoying things?

PETE N.

Guys - sorry about the apparent doubling-up of my 'welcome' posts to Richard.   
What happened was that even after I'd posted the first one, it still hadn't
appeared long after.

So I presumed it had disappeared into Yahoo Cyberspace, and sat down to do it
all over again.   Now I see the original one has magically shown up after well
over an hour.    Sheesh - ain't computers the most wonderful but annoying
things?

PETE N.

Yes, welcome to our latest member Richard O. from the UK, who's a PCCGB member
and has a considerable collection of Duo's.

Richard, please post a message to the guys in the Group about yourself and your
collection if you have time.   You'll see that we have amassed quite a library
of pictures and Duo-related documentation in the 'Files' and 'Photos' areas, but
there's always room for more stuff.

Also, we have been building up a database of the three main models to try and
establish dating and when certain changes occurred, so please consider adding
your cameras' details.

Lastly, Richard, my apologies for not actioning your appication to join quicker.
Mea Culpa and all that - I've been a bit preoccupied with other things of late,
such as my trusty workhorse Nissan campervan expiring on me on the way back from
a camera Swap-Meet!

PETE NAYLOR - MODERATOR

Guys, let's give a big 'hello' to newby member 'Richard O.' from the UK.   
Richard is a member of the PCCGB and has quite a collection of Duo's.

Richard, if you've got time please post a message about yourself to the Group.  
As you can see from the pics in the 'Photos' area, and scans and stuff in the
'Files' area, we've already amassed quite a collection of relevant material.   
However, there are still a lot of gaps (especially pics of Duo variants) so feel
free to add whatever you can.    Also, we've got a Database going of the three
main Duo models, so please consider adding the details of your cameras.    The
more we have, the clearer things get about just when this or that change
occurred.

Lastly, my apologies for taking so long to process your joining the Group.   Mea
Culpa and all that - I've had quite a bit on my plate of late, what with this or
that minor disaster.

PETE NAYLOR - MODERATOR

Interesting points made by Rich and Mike about the price of the Duo back in
1939, relative to wages then.   Its price (and the earlier art-deco model) were
close to those of the Retina, which was much heralded on its introduction as
offering the same degree of quality as the Leica and Contax, but at a much
cheaper price.   However, price is relative and at around $57 it would still
have been beyond the pocket of most working folks.    I guess we have to give a
big thanks to the guys at Argus for their Ten Buck Model A, which finally put
35mm photography in the reach of the average guy.

However, I digress a bit seeing we're talking Duo's.    Has anybody seen
'Amelia', with Hillary Swank and Richard Gere starring?    I went to see it a
few days ago, hoping perhaps to see if the props people had got things right and
had her exiting her Lockheed Electra at various stages of that fateful last
round-the-world flight attempt, with her Duo in hand.    Well, they didn't, but
they did have her using the 8mm Kodak cine-camera she also carried on that
flight so I'll give them 5 out of 10 there.   Interesting movie, by the way,
which follows the facts a lot more closely than some so-called "True Stories"
from imaginative Hollywood minds.   The scene where her Electra crashes on
take-off from Honolulu in the first attempt was really well done.

PETE N.











--- In duo620@..., "michael.overs" <michael.overs@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting figure.
> Using a commonly used consumer price index, this would be equivalent to
> about $890 in present day terms, but if you use the rather more
> realistic un-skilled wage comparitor, this translates to a staggering
> $1866!!
> Makes you realise just how expensive photography was until recently. I
> don't imagine too many factory or shop workers would have bought a Duo
> Six 20, but even a box Brownie would have been more than a weeks wages.
> How lucky we are!
> Mike
>

Interesting figure.
Using a commonly used consumer price index, this would be equivalent to
about $890 in present day terms, but if you use the rather more
realistic un-skilled wage comparitor, this translates to a staggering
$1866!!
Makes you realise just how expensive photography was until recently. I
don't imagine too many factory or shop workers would have bought a Duo
Six 20, but even a box Brownie would have been more than a weeks wages.
How lucky we are!
Mike

Hi, Philip         No joy at the Swap-Meet today, I'm afraid.    One seller had
three 27mm filters, but they were all the threaded type.
Several guys said 'Retina' as soon as I mentioned '27mm push-fit', so I think
that might be a better avenue to pursue.    A couple of the sellers are guys I
know from our local Camera Club, and both thought they 'might' have something
appropriate back home. So keep your fingers crossed for our next Cam Club
meeting a couple of weeks away, eh?

BTW, my early rising and two-hour round trip to the Swap-Meet were not in vain,
as I scored a nice 1949 'Diax Original' 35mm camera and a minty Schneider
Componar 1954-ish F4.5 75mm enlarging lens, complete with box ....

PETE IN PERTH





--- In duo620@..., Philip Greene <philipgreenephotography@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Pete,
>
> Thanks for keeping an eye out for  a filter for me. I really appreciate it.
> I'm wondering if the Kodak Retina didn't have the same filter size too?
>
> Just got a roll of Fuji Velvia 100 620 and Tri X 620 from BH photot and am
> looking forward to trying both out.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Philip
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:15 PM, pete.naylor <pete.naylor@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi, Philip Good luck with the chase, mate! I'm likely attending our
> > 4-monthly Camera Swap Meet here in Perth this Sunday, if I can get up in
> > time that is. So I'll keep an eye open for a suitable filter for you. I
> > can't believe that 1 1/16" or 27mm would have been unique to the Duo. By the
> > way, I'm probably telling you to suck eggs but from when I last used orange
> > and red filters with B & W sky shots back in the 60s, I seem to recall that
> > the red ones needed a huge drop of 3X to compensate.
> >
> > PETE IN PERTH
> >
> > --- In duo620@... <duo620%40yahoogroups.com.au>, Philip
> > Greene <philipgreenephotography@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Pete. I'll start my search and let you know when I find one. Or
> > > better yet post some photos when I get a filter.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:20 PM, pete.naylor <pete.naylor@>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Philip All Duo's seem to take the same size filters, which are the
> > 1
> > > > 1/16" push-on type. If you go into 'Photos', then hit 'Instruction
> > Booklet -
> > > > Series 11 CRF', you'll see at pages 34 and 35 the various alternatives
> > for
> > > > mounting filters, etc, using Kodak's preferred 'Meccano Set' filter
> > system.
> > > > However, I'm sure a non-Kodak push-on complete filter with that same 1
> > 1/16"
> > > > I.D. would do the same job, probably with a lot less messing around.
> > > >
> > > > I'm no expert at converting imperial fractional meaurements to metric
> > > > decimal ones, but FWIW I reckon 27mm would be a pretty close
> > alternative.
> > > >
> > > > PETE NAYLOR
> > > >
> > > > --- In duo620@... <duo620%40yahoogroups.com.au><duo620%
> > 40yahoogroups.com.au>,
> > > > "philipjohngreene" <philipgreenephotography@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone know what size filter I would look for on a Duo? I'd like
> > to
> > > > get a red filter for BW pictures.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Philip
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.philipgreenephotography.com
> > > http://flickr.com/photos/30905774@N04
> > >
> > > Tel. 203-747-9892
> > > Home 203-458-9988
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.philipgreenephotography.com
> http://flickr.com/photos/30905774@N04
>
> Tel. 203-747-9892
> Home 203-458-9988
>

Hi, Philip      I only have one Retina left in the Trophy Cupboard these days,
and it's a Retina CRF 11a with F2 Xenon from the early 50s.   It seems to take a
32mm push-on filter, but I guess the non-CRF Retina 1's with slower lenses could
well have used the same 1 1/16"/27mm size filter as the Duo.

Keep your fingers crossed for Sunday .....

PETE IN PERTH








--- In duo620@..., Philip Greene <philipgreenephotography@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Pete,
>
> Thanks for keeping an eye out for  a filter for me. I really appreciate it.
> I'm wondering if the Kodak Retina didn't have the same filter size too?
>
> Just got a roll of Fuji Velvia 100 620 and Tri X 620 from BH photot and am
> looking forward to trying both out.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Philip
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:15 PM, pete.naylor <pete.naylor@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi, Philip Good luck with the chase, mate! I'm likely attending our
> > 4-monthly Camera Swap Meet here in Perth this Sunday, if I can get up in
> > time that is. So I'll keep an eye open for a suitable filter for you. I
> > can't believe that 1 1/16" or 27mm would have been unique to the Duo. By the
> > way, I'm probably telling you to suck eggs but from when I last used orange
> > and red filters with B & W sky shots back in the 60s, I seem to recall that
> > the red ones needed a huge drop of 3X to compensate.
> >
> > PETE IN PERTH
> >
> > --- In duo620@... <duo620%40yahoogroups.com.au>, Philip
> > Greene <philipgreenephotography@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Pete. I'll start my search and let you know when I find one. Or
> > > better yet post some photos when I get a filter.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:20 PM, pete.naylor <pete.naylor@>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Philip All Duo's seem to take the same size filters, which are the
> > 1
> > > > 1/16" push-on type. If you go into 'Photos', then hit 'Instruction
> > Booklet -
> > > > Series 11 CRF', you'll see at pages 34 and 35 the various alternatives
> > for
> > > > mounting filters, etc, using Kodak's preferred 'Meccano Set' filter
> > system.
> > > > However, I'm sure a non-Kodak push-on complete filter with that same 1
> > 1/16"
> > > > I.D. would do the same job, probably with a lot less messing around.
> > > >
> > > > I'm no expert at converting imperial fractional meaurements to metric
> > > > decimal ones, but FWIW I reckon 27mm would be a pretty close
> > alternative.
> > > >
> > > > PETE NAYLOR
> > > >
> > > > --- In duo620@... <duo620%40yahoogroups.com.au><duo620%
> > 40yahoogroups.com.au>,
> > > > "philipjohngreene" <philipgreenephotography@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone know what size filter I would look for on a Duo? I'd like
> > to
> > > > get a red filter for BW pictures.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Philip
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.philipgreenephotography.com
> > > http://flickr.com/photos/30905774@N04
> > >
> > > Tel. 203-747-9892
> > > Home 203-458-9988
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.philipgreenephotography.com
> http://flickr.com/photos/30905774@N04
>
> Tel. 203-747-9892
> Home 203-458-9988
>

 

Hi, Philip Good luck with the chase, mate! I'm likely attending our 4-monthly Camera Swap Meet here in Perth this Sunday, if I can get up in time that is. So I'll keep an eye open for a suitable filter for you. I can't believe that 1 1/16" or 27mm would have been unique to the Duo. By the way, I'm probably telling you to suck eggs but from when I last used orange and red filters with B & W sky shots back in the 60s, I seem to recall that the red ones needed a huge drop of 3X to compensate.

PETE IN PERTH

--- In duo620@yahoogroups.com.au, Philip Greene <philipgreenephotography@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Pete. I'll start my search and let you know when I find one. Or
> better yet post some photos when I get a filter.
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:20 PM, pete.naylor <pete.naylor@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi, Philip All Duo's seem to take the same size filters, which are the 1
> > 1/16" push-on type. If you go into 'Photos', then hit 'Instruction Booklet -
> > Series 11 CRF', you'll see at pages 34 and 35 the various alternatives for
> > mounting filters, etc, using Kodak's preferred 'Meccano Set' filter system.
> > However, I'm sure a non-Kodak push-on complete filter with that same 1 1/16"
> > I.D. would do the same job, probably with a lot less messing around.
> >
> > I'm no expert at converting imperial fractional meaurements to metric
> > decimal ones, but FWIW I reckon 27mm would be a pretty close alternative.
> >
> > PETE NAYLOR
> >
> > --- In duo620@yahoogroups.com.au <duo620%40yahoogroups.com.au>,
> > "philipjohngreene" <philipgreenephotography@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone know what size filter I would look for on a Duo? I'd like to
> > get a red filter for BW pictures.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Philip
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.philipgreenephotography.com
> http://flickr.com/photos/30905774@N04
>
> Tel. 203-747-9892
> Home 203-458-9988
>
Sorry, forgot the Addresses! http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk/photo-widget__W0QQ_armrsZ1 http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk/SNAP-AUCTIONS__W0QQ_armrsZ1QQ_fsubZQ2d999QQ_scZ1QQ_sopZ3 Mike

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Hi, Philip Good luck with the chase, mate! I'm likely attending our 4-monthly Camera Swap Meet here in Perth this Sunday, if I can get up in time that is. So I'll keep an eye open for a suitable filter for you. I can't believe that 1 1/16" or 27mm would have been unique to the Duo. By the way, I'm probably telling you to suck eggs but from when I last used orange and red filters with B & W sky shots back in the 60s, I seem to recall that the red ones needed a huge drop of 3X to compensate.

PETE IN PERTH

--- In duo620@yahoogroups.com.au, Philip Greene <philipgreenephotography@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Pete. I'll start my search and let you know when I find one. Or
> better yet post some photos when I get a filter.
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:20 PM, pete.naylor <pete.naylor@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi, Philip All Duo's seem to take the same size filters, which are the 1
> > 1/16" push-on type. If you go into 'Photos', then hit 'Instruction Booklet -
> > Series 11 CRF', you'll see at pages 34 and 35 the various alternatives for
> > mounting filters, etc, using Kodak's preferred 'Meccano Set' filter system.
> > However, I'm sure a non-Kodak push-on complete filter with that same 1 1/16"
> > I.D. would do the same job, probably with a lot less messing around.
> >
> > I'm no expert at converting imperial fractional meaurements to metric
> > decimal ones, but FWIW I reckon 27mm would be a pretty close alternative.
> >
> > PETE NAYLOR
> >
> > --- In duo620@yahoogroups.com.au <duo620%40yahoogroups.com.au>,
> > "philipjohngreene" <philipgreenephotography@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone know what size filter I would look for on a Duo? I'd like to
> > get a red filter for BW pictures.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Philip
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.philipgreenephotography.com
> http://flickr.com/photos/30905774@N04
>
> Tel. 203-747-9892
> Home 203-458-9988

>

Hi Phil, there are a couple of ebay sellers in the UK who specialise in vintage/older accessories, although neither list any push fit 27mm filters at the moment. photo-widget has got a few lens hoods, and it might be worth keeping an eye on both sites in case any 27mm filters turn up in the future. I've dealt with both firms in the past, and found them quick & efficient(no connections with either) If you know someone who owns a centre lathe, it's no big deal to machine a 27mm screw fit adapter to fit the Duo, then you can find plenty of normal sized filters, try the Engineering dept of the local technical school, or a model engineering society, for a start.Good Luck, Mike

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--- In duo620@..., "pete.naylor" <pete.naylor@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Philip      Good luck with the chase, mate!   I'm likely attending our
4-monthly Camera Swap Meet here in Perth this Sunday, if I can get up in time
that is.   So I'll keep an eye open for a suitable filter for you.    I can't
believe that 1 1/16" or 27mm would have been unique to the Duo.   By the way,
I'm probably telling you to suck eggs but from when I last used orange and red
filters with B & W sky shots back in the 60s, I seem to recall that the red ones
needed a huge drop of 3X to compensate.
>
> PETE IN PERTH
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In duo620@..., Philip Greene <philipgreenephotography@>
wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Pete. I'll start my search and let you know when I find one. Or
> > better yet post some photos when I get a filter.
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:20 PM, pete.naylor <pete.naylor@>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi, Philip All Duo's seem to take the same size filters, which are the 1
> > > 1/16" push-on type. If you go into 'Photos', then hit 'Instruction Booklet
-
> > > Series 11 CRF', you'll see at pages 34 and 35 the various alternatives for
> > > mounting filters, etc, using Kodak's preferred 'Meccano Set' filter
system.
> > > However, I'm sure a non-Kodak push-on complete filter with that same 1
1/16"
> > > I.D. would do the same job, probably with a lot less messing around.
> > >
> > > I'm no expert at converting imperial fractional meaurements to metric
> > > decimal ones, but FWIW I reckon 27mm would be a pretty close alternative.
> > >
> > > PETE NAYLOR
> > >
> > > --- In duo620@... <duo620%40yahoogroups.com.au>,
> > > "philipjohngreene" <philipgreenephotography@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know what size filter I would look for on a Duo? I'd like to
> > > get a red filter for BW pictures.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Philip
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.philipgreenephotography.com
> > http://flickr.com/photos/30905774@N04
> >
> > Tel. 203-747-9892
> > Home 203-458-9988
> >
>
Hi Philip,
there are a couple of sellers on ebay UK who specialise in vintage/older
accessories, although neither currently lists any 27mm filters. photo-widget has
a few lens hoods, and it might be worth keeping an eye on either, in case any
27mm filters turn up (No connection with either)
http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk/SNAP-AUCTIONS__W0QQ_armrsZ1QQ_fsubZQ2d999QQ_scZ1QQ\
_sopZ3

http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk/photo-widget__W0QQ_armrsZ1

If you know someone with a centre lathe, it's no big deal to turn a 27mm screw
fit adapter to fit a Duo, then you can use a range of more modern sized filters.
Try the Engineering dept of the local technical school, or a model engineering
society for a start.
Good Luck with your quest!
Mike

Hi, Philip      Good luck with the chase, mate!   I'm likely attending our
4-monthly Camera Swap Meet here in Perth this Sunday, if I can get up in time
that is.   So I'll keep an eye open for a suitable filter for you.    I can't
believe that 1 1/16" or 27mm would have been unique to the Duo.   By the way,
I'm probably telling you to suck eggs but from when I last used orange and red
filters with B & W sky shots back in the 60s, I seem to recall that the red ones
needed a huge drop of 3X to compensate.

PETE IN PERTH














--- In duo620@..., Philip Greene <philipgreenephotography@...>
wrote:
>
> Thanks Pete. I'll start my search and let you know when I find one. Or
> better yet post some photos when I get a filter.
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:20 PM, pete.naylor <pete.naylor@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi, Philip All Duo's seem to take the same size filters, which are the 1
> > 1/16" push-on type. If you go into 'Photos', then hit 'Instruction Booklet -
> > Series 11 CRF', you'll see at pages 34 and 35 the various alternatives for
> > mounting filters, etc, using Kodak's preferred 'Meccano Set' filter system.
> > However, I'm sure a non-Kodak push-on complete filter with that same 1 1/16"
> > I.D. would do the same job, probably with a lot less messing around.
> >
> > I'm no expert at converting imperial fractional meaurements to metric
> > decimal ones, but FWIW I reckon 27mm would be a pretty close alternative.
> >
> > PETE NAYLOR
> >
> > --- In duo620@... <duo620%40yahoogroups.com.au>,
> > "philipjohngreene" <philipgreenephotography@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone know what size filter I would look for on a Duo? I'd like to
> > get a red filter for BW pictures.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Philip
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.philipgreenephotography.com
> http://flickr.com/photos/30905774@N04
>
> Tel. 203-747-9892
> Home 203-458-9988
>

Hi, Philip       All Duo's seem to take the same size filters, which are the 1
1/16" push-on type.    If you go into 'Photos', then hit 'Instruction Booklet -
Series 11 CRF', you'll see at pages 34 and 35 the various alternatives for
mounting filters, etc, using Kodak's preferred 'Meccano Set' filter system.   
However, I'm sure a non-Kodak push-on complete filter with that same 1 1/16"
I.D. would do the same job, probably with a lot less messing around.

I'm no expert at converting imperial fractional meaurements to metric decimal
ones, but FWIW I reckon 27mm would be a pretty close alternative.

PETE NAYLOR








--- In duo620@..., "philipjohngreene"
<philipgreenephotography@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know what size filter I would look for on a Duo? I'd like to get a
red filter for BW pictures.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Philip
>

Does anyone know what size filter I would look for on a Duo? I'd like to get a
red filter for BW pictures.

Thanks.

Philip

Well with help of a flashlight and a dark room I found three additional
tiny light leaks so I guess that was my problem after all.  I painted a
bit of black silicone rtv over the leaks.  This Duo was pretty worn
which is the reason I chose it for modification.  I didn't look over the
bellows as well as I should have.

I don't come close to snapping 10k worth of digital photos but it works.
Sort of keeping one foot in chemistry and the other in digital.

On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 20:21 -0400, Philip Greene wrote:
>
> RCB
>
> Thanks for the info. I like Tri X. Too bad Panatomic X is still not
> available. I only shot a roll or two a long time ago and was amazed at
> the results.
>
> Here's a link on Flickr to a color shot by a photographer using a Duo
> that makes me want to try color:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ektarama/138397802/
>
> Makes sense to use digital for color. Although I understand there are
> more labs that are doing develop and high resolution scans to CD for
> not a lot of money. Although, obviously, snapping 10,000 digital
> photos is a lot cheaper than getting that done in film.
>
> With the popularity of Holgas a little light flare is considered
> nice:)
>
> Philip
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:01 PM, R.C.Booth <rcbooth@...>
> wrote:
>
>         Philip,
>
>         The most recent shots are TriX.  I believe the others are also
>         TriX.  No, I haven't tried color.  I probably won't either.  I
>         really enjoy black & white.  I develop the film myself - just
>         standard D76 and scan the negatives with an old Epson 1750
>         flatbed photo scanner.  It does a real nice job with medium
>         format negatives but not so nice with 35mm.  I use a Minolta
>         Dimage IV for 35mm negatives.  For any color I use digital
>         (Nikon D2x).  Its getting more difficult to conveniently get
>         film processed locally with reasonable quality and digital
>         gets around that.
>
>         The shot of the ducks on the deck is a small crop from the
>         center of the negative.  Its probably about 20% of the total
>         negative.  For that frame there was some strange light flare
>         near the top left and lower right of the negative.  I had
>         found and sealed a leak in the bellows a while back and
>         thought there might be some more leaks.  But, strangely, the
>         other frames did not exhibit that pattern.
>
>         RCB
>
>         Philip Greene wrote:
>
>         >
>         >
>         > RCB,
>         >
>         > Thanks for the link. Those snaps are pretty interesting. The
>         > lens gives your photos that - long  time ago feel. What kind
>         > of film did you use? Have you tried any color?
>         >
>         > I like the rail bridge piers shot.
>         >
>         > Philip
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         > On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:41 PM, R.C.Booth
>         > <rcbooth@...> wrote:
>         >
>         >         Philip:
>         >
>         >         This link (http://rcbooth.zenfolio.com/p796883833)
>         >         leads to a few of my
>         >         snaps with a Duo. I was out shooting with it
>         >         yesterday. Its in user
>         >         condition and I've modified it to use regular 120
>         >         spools on the supply
>         >         side that drop in.
>         >
>         >         RCB
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >         On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 19:00 -0400, Philip Greene
>         >         wrote:
>         >         >
>         >         > Hi Pete,
>         >         >
>         >         > Thanks for the advice on Duo restoration - seeing
>         >         as I am not in a
>         >         > position to throw money at a restoration right now
>         >         and since I do have
>         >         > a working Duo (with German etching on top). I am
>         >         looking forward to
>         >         > trying Fuji Velvia in the Duo.
>         >         >
>         >         > I'll also have a look at the files and photos
>         >         section. I especially
>         >         > like to find photos taken with Duo. Though I have
>         >         not found many.
>         >         > There are a few nice photos on Flickr. But I think
>         >         the Duo is a bit
>         >         > overlooked and maybe underrated?
>         >         >
>         >         > I am looking for a red filter for BW photography.
>         >         Do you know what
>         >         > size I should look for on eBay?
>         >         >
>         >         > Thanks again!
>         >         >
>         >         > Philip
>         >         >
>         >         >
>         >         >
>         >         > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:16 AM, pete.naylor
>         >         > <pete.naylor@...> wrote:
>         >         >
>         >         > Hi, Philip Hmmm, I hate to be the prophet of doom,
>         >         but if the
>         >         > black actuating arm on your Duo is badly bent,
>         >         plus the
>         >         > chromed shutter release lever is loose, it sounds
>         >         like more
>         >         > than a CLA is needed.
>         >         >
>         >         > Camera technicians who are prepared to tinker with
>         >         70-year old
>         >         > cameras like these Duo's are hard to find. Time is
>         >         money, and
>         >         > their services won't come cheap. So although Duo
>         >         prices do
>         >         > seem to be rising around the globe, you can still
>         >         find
>         >         > bargains, especially if they have cosmetic faults.
>         >         For
>         >         > example, a couple of years ago I was lucky enough
>         >         to score an
>         >         > identical art-deco Duo to the one carried by
>         >         Amelia Earhart on
>         >         > her last fateful flight, here in Perth for a mere
>         >         $25. It had
>         >         > a crack in the front VF and the Compur shutter was
>         >         sleepy but
>         >         > otherwise it was in excellent nick.
>         >         >
>         >         > If you want to get serious about collecting Duo's
>         >         (or any
>         >         > other classic), it's not a bad idea to build up a
>         >         collection
>         >         > of non-goers to cannabalize. I'm almost ashamed to
>         >         confess the
>         >         > number of cameras in my 300-plus collection that
>         >         are actually
>         >         > 'Frankenstein' models, made up from this or that
>         >         bit or bits.
>         >         > The main thing is the end result, I reckon!
>         >         >
>         >         > Thanks for the BH prices of their 620 stuff, which
>         >         I'm sure
>         >         > will be welcome news to the other guys in the
>         >         Group.
>         >         >
>         >         > Regarding my Duo article on Mischa's website, I
>         >         have to
>         >         > confess that it needs some minor upgrading. Some
>         >         of my
>         >         > original assumptions have been proved wrong,
>         >         thanks to
>         >         > information from guys in this Group and elsewhere.
>         >         For
>         >         > example, it appears that the f3.5 Kodak Anastigmat
>         >         lenses
>         >         > fitted to US market Duo's were NOT rebadged
>         >         4-element
>         >         > Schneider Xenars, but more likely Schneider
>         >         Radionar triplets.
>         >         > What's strange is that the European market models
>         >         were fitted
>         >         > with Xenars! Go figure, eh?
>         >         >
>         >         > Please take your time to view the considerable
>         >         amount of scans
>         >         > and photos of relevant stuff contributed by the
>         >         guys in this
>         >         > Group in both the 'Photos' and 'Files' areas. I
>         >         doubt that
>         >         > there's a more informative single source anywhere
>         >         in the
>         >         > world, about those Duo's. However, if you have any
>         >         additional
>         >         > stuff - be it adverts, brochures or whatever,
>         >         please post it.
>         >         > Yahoo have very kindly widened the limits for
>         >         Groups such as
>         >         > ours of late, so file sizes are not so crucial as
>         >         they used to
>         >         > be.
>         >         >
>         >         > PETE NAYLOR
>         >         >
>         >         >
>         >         >
>         >         >
>         >         > --- In duo620@..., Philip Greene
>         >         > <philipgreenephotography@...> wrote:
>         >         > >
>         >         > > Hi Peter,
>         >         > >
>         >         > > Thanks for the reply and advice and welcome. No
>         >         problem with
>         >         > delays!
>         >         > >
>         >         > > The bent part is the black actuating arm - bent
>         >         completely
>         >         > back at the elbow
>         >         > > that goes up to the chorme arm ( which
>         >         incidentally is a
>         >         > little loose and
>         >         > > does not fire the shutter properly, I may go
>         >         ahead and try
>         >         > what you said -
>         >         > > although I was debating aboout sendning it to
>         >         "Classic
>         >         > Camera for CLA and
>         >         > > repair. I suspect the bent arm may be from
>         >         folding the
>         >         > lens/bellows back in
>         >         > > improperly by someone.
>         >         > >
>         >         > > BH also sells a number of BW 620 films including
>         >         TriX, Plus
>         >         > X, Portra 160
>         >         > > color film and Efke. They all range from $10 -
>         >         12.00 a roll
>         >         > - not bad for
>         >         > > this film.
>         >         > >
>         >         > > BTW a Duo 620 CRF just went for about $112.00 on
>         >         eBay. I
>         >         > have seen about 2
>         >         > > in 6 months on eBay. One that is repeatedly
>         >         there but not
>         >         > sold, has an
>         >         > > asking price of $450.00.
>         >         > >
>         >         > > Just bought a German version of Duo 620 with
>         >         Carl Zeiss 3.5
>         >         > lens for $40.00
>         >         > > on eBay in very clean condition.
>         >         > >
>         >         > > I'll post some pictures after I use the new Duo.
>         >         I love to
>         >         > see what they can
>         >         > > do and thought Fuji Velvia could be interesting.
>         >         > >
>         >         > > I ran across an article you write on Mischa
>         >         (sp?) Koenig's
>         >         > web site. Nicely
>         >         > > written and informative.
>         >         > >
>         >         > > Below are 2 links to some of my photos - mostly
>         >         digital -
>         >         > though digital has
>         >         > > got me interested in film again.
>         >         > >
>         >         > > Best,
>         >         > >
>         >         > > Philip
>         >         > >
>         >         > >
>         >         > >
>         >         >
>         >         > > On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 10:40 AM, pete.naylor
>         >         > <pete.naylor@...>wrote:
>         >         >
>         >         > >
>         >         > > >
>         >         > > >
>         >         > > > Hi, Philip First of all - welcome to the
>         >         Group, mate - and
>         >         > my apologies for
>         >         > > > taking so long to acknowledge your application
>         >         to join.
>         >         > Mea Culpa, etc, etc
>         >         > > > - I've been having some problems with acessing
>         >         Yahoo
>         >         > stuff, which was
>         >         > > > apparently due to me still using IE7. Now I've
>         >         got
>         >         > upgraded to IE8, things
>         >         > > > seem A - OK. BTW - if anybody else is
>         >         experiencing similar
>         >         > problems, I
>         >         > > > suggest you do the same! The upgrade is free.
>         >         > > >
>         >         > > > Thanks for the tip about BH Photo stocking 620
>         >         Fuji
>         >         > Velvia. That sure
>         >         > > > sounds better than going through the angst of
>         >         reloading
>         >         > 120 flm onto 620
>         >         > > > spools, or resizing 120 spool ends to 620
>         >         proportions. Do
>         >         > you know how much
>         >         > > > BH are charging?
>         >         > > >
>         >         > > > Regarding the bent shutter arm on your Series
>         >         11 Duo, are
>         >         > we talking about
>         >         > > > the chromed vertical arm that actually
>         >         attaches to the
>         >         > shutter internals, or
>         >         > > > the black painted actuating arm that moves
>         >         laterally when
>         >         > you hit the
>         >         > > > shutter button on the top cover? If as I
>         >         suspect, it's the
>         >         > latter, then it's
>         >         > > > maybe the dog-leg arm that's got bent. This is
>         >         only made
>         >         > from mild steel
>         >         > > > AFAIK and could be realigned with a tweak from
>         >         a pair of
>         >         > pointy-nose pliers,
>         >         > > > if the bend isn't excessive.
>         >         > > >
>         >         > > > It's not an unusual problem with folders that
>         >         have a
>         >         > remote shutter release
>         >         > > > on the top cover. Some post-war British Ensign
>         >         Selfixes
>         >         > are common sufferers
>         >         > > > from the same malady.
>         >         > > >
>         >         > > > PETE NAYLOR (Moderator)
>         >         > > >
>         >         > > >
>         >         >
>         >         > > > --- In duo620@... <duo620%
>         >         > 40yahoogroups.com.au>,
>         >         >
>         >         > > > "philipjohngreene" <philipgreenephotography@>
>         >         wrote:
>         >         > > > >
>         >         > > > > Hi I'm just curious if anybody has
>         >         experience with
>         >         > repairing bent linkage
>         >         > > > below bellows - the piece that pushes the
>         >         shutter lever. I
>         >         > have a duo 620
>         >         > > > series II that needs this repair. I'm
>         >         wondering how to get
>         >         > under the bellows
>         >         > > > and if bending the metal back might not break
>         >         it?
>         >         > > > >
>         >         > > > > BTW in case you don't already know BH photo
>         >         carries 620
>         >         > Fuji Velvia 100.
>         >         > > > I was amazed to see that available.
>         >         > > > >
>         >         > > > > Thanks for any input.
>         >         > > > >
>         >         > > > > Philip
>         >         > > > >
>         >         > > >
>         >         > > >
>         >         > > >
>         >         > >
>         >         > >
>         >         > >
>         >         >
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>         >         > > Home 203-458-9988
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RCB,

Thanks for the link. Those snaps are pretty interesting. The lens gives your photos that - long  time ago feel. What kind of film did you use? Have you tried any color?

I like the rail bridge piers shot.

Philip

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:41 PM, R.C.Booth <rcbooth@rochester.rr.com> wrote:

 

Philip:

This link (http://rcbooth.zenfolio.com/p796883833) leads to a few of my
snaps with a Duo. I was out shooting with it yesterday. Its in user
condition and I've modified it to use regular 120 spools on the supply
side that drop in.

RCB

On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 19:00 -0400, Philip Greene wrote:
>
> Hi Pete,
>
> Thanks for the advice on Duo restoration - seeing as I am not in a
> position to throw money at a restoration right now and since I do have
> a working Duo (with German etching on top). I am looking forward to
> trying Fuji Velvia in the Duo.
>
> I'll also have a look at the files and photos section. I especially
> like to find photos taken with Duo. Though I have not found many.
> There are a few nice photos on Flickr. But I think the Duo is a bit
> overlooked and maybe underrated?
>
> I am looking for a red filter for BW photography. Do you know what
> size I should look for on eBay?
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Philip
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:16 AM, pete.naylor
> <pete.naylor@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi, Philip Hmmm, I hate to be the prophet of doom, but if the
> black actuating arm on your Duo is badly bent, plus the
> chromed shutter release lever is loose, it sounds like more
> than a CLA is needed.
>
> Camera technicians who are prepared to tinker with 70-year old
> cameras like these Duo's are hard to find. Time is money, and
> their services won't come cheap. So although Duo prices do
> seem to be rising around the globe, you can still find
> bargains, especially if they have cosmetic faults. For
> example, a couple of years ago I was lucky enough to score an
> identical art-deco Duo to the one carried by Amelia Earhart on
> her last fateful flight, here in Perth for a mere $25. It had
> a crack in the front VF and the Compur shutter was sleepy but
> otherwise it was in excellent nick.
>
> If you want to get serious about collecting Duo's (or any
> other classic), it's not a bad idea to build up a collection
> of non-goers to cannabalize. I'm almost ashamed to confess the
> number of cameras in my 300-plus collection that are actually
> 'Frankenstein' models, made up from this or that bit or bits.
> The main thing is the end result, I reckon!
>
> Thanks for the BH prices of their 620 stuff, which I'm sure
> will be welcome news to the other guys in the Group.
>
> Regarding my Duo article on Mischa's website, I have to
> confess that it needs some minor upgrading. Some of my
> original assumptions have been proved wrong, thanks to
> information from guys in this Group and elsewhere. For
> example, it appears that the f3.5 Kodak Anastigmat lenses
> fitted to US market Duo's were NOT rebadged 4-element
> Schneider Xenars, but more likely Schneider Radionar triplets.
> What's strange is that the European market models were fitted
> with Xenars! Go figure, eh?
>
> Please take your time to view the considerable amount of scans
> and photos of relevant stuff contributed by the guys in this
> Group in both the 'Photos' and 'Files' areas. I doubt that
> there's a more informative single source anywhere in the
> world, about those Duo's. However, if you have any additional
> stuff - be it adverts, brochures or whatever, please post it.
> Yahoo have very kindly widened the limits for Groups such as
> ours of late, so file sizes are not so crucial as they used to
> be.
>
> PETE NAYLOR
>
>
>
>
> --- In duo620@yahoogroups.com.au, Philip Greene
> <philipgreenephotography@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > Thanks for the reply and advice and welcome. No problem with
> delays!
> >
> > The bent part is the black actuating arm - bent completely
> back at the elbow
> > that goes up to the chorme arm ( which incidentally is a
> little loose and
> > does not fire the shutter properly, I may go ahead and try
> what you said -
> > although I was debating aboout sendning it to "Classic
> Camera for CLA and
> > repair. I suspect the bent arm may be from folding the
> lens/bellows back in
> > improperly by someone.
> >
> > BH also sells a number of BW 620 films including TriX, Plus
> X, Portra 160
> > color film and Efke. They all range from $10 - 12.00 a roll
> - not bad for
> > this film.
> >
> > BTW a Duo 620 CRF just went for about $112.00 on eBay. I
> have seen about 2
> > in 6 months on eBay. One that is repeatedly there but not
> sold, has an
> > asking price of $450.00.
> >
> > Just bought a German version of Duo 620 with Carl Zeiss 3.5
> lens for $40.00
> > on eBay in very clean condition.
> >
> > I'll post some pictures after I use the new Duo. I love to
> see what they can
> > do and thought Fuji Velvia could be interesting.
> >
> > I ran across an article you write on Mischa (sp?) Koenig's
> web site. Nicely
> > written and informative.
> >
> > Below are 2 links to some of my photos - mostly digital -
> though digital has
> > got me interested in film again.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Philip
> >
> >
> >
>
> > On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 10:40 AM, pete.naylor
> <pete.naylor@...>wrote:
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi, Philip First of all - welcome to the Group, mate - and
> my apologies for
> > > taking so long to acknowledge your application to join.
> Mea Culpa, etc, etc
> > > - I've been having some problems with acessing Yahoo
> stuff, which was
> > > apparently due to me still using IE7. Now I've got
> upgraded to IE8, things
> > > seem A - OK. BTW - if anybody else is experiencing similar
> problems, I
> > > suggest you do the same! The upgrade is free.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the tip about BH Photo stocking 620 Fuji
> Velvia. That sure
> > > sounds better than going through the angst of reloading
> 120 flm onto 620
> > > spools, or resizing 120 spool ends to 620 proportions. Do
> you know how much
> > > BH are charging?
> > >
> > > Regarding the bent shutter arm on your Series 11 Duo, are
> we talking about
> > > the chromed vertical arm that actually attaches to the
> shutter internals, or
> > > the black painted actuating arm that moves laterally when
> you hit the
> > > shutter button on the top cover? If as I suspect, it's the
> latter, then it's
> > > maybe the dog-leg arm that's got bent. This is only made
> from mild steel
> > > AFAIK and could be realigned with a tweak from a pair of
> pointy-nose pliers,
> > > if the bend isn't excessive.
> > >
> > > It's not an unusual problem with folders that have a
> remote shutter release
> > > on the top cover. Some post-war British Ensign Selfixes
> are common sufferers
> > > from the same malady.
> > >
> > > PETE NAYLOR (Moderator)
> > >
> > >
>
> > > --- In duo620@yahoogroups.com.au <duo620%
> 40yahoogroups.com.au>,
>
> > > "philipjohngreene" <philipgreenephotography@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi I'm just curious if anybody has experience with
> repairing bent linkage
> > > below bellows - the piece that pushes the shutter lever. I
> have a duo 620
> > > series II that needs this repair. I'm wondering how to get
> under the bellows
> > > and if bending the metal back might not break it?
> > > >
> > > > BTW in case you don't already know BH photo carries 620
> Fuji Velvia 100.
> > > I was amazed to see that available.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for any input.
> > > >
> > > > Philip
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> > --
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> > http://flickr.com/photos/30905774@N04
> >
> > Tel. 203-747-9892
> > Home 203-458-9988
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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>
> Tel. 203-747-9892
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I've added a two more snaps taken with my Dup620.  Here is a link to one
of them:  http://rcbooth.zenfolio.com/p796883833/h3d0fe12e#h3d0fe12e.

I'm always amazed at how sharp this Xenar is.

RCB

Philip:

This link (http://rcbooth.zenfolio.com/p796883833) leads to a few of my
snaps with a Duo.  I was out shooting with it yesterday.  Its in user
condition and I've modified it to use regular 120 spools on the supply
side that drop in.

RCB


On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 19:00 -0400, Philip Greene wrote:
>
> Hi Pete,
>
> Thanks for the advice on Duo restoration - seeing as I am not in a
> position to throw money at a restoration right now and since I do have
> a working Duo (with German etching on top). I am looking forward to
> trying Fuji Velvia in the Duo.
>
> I'll also have a look at the files and photos section. I especially
> like to find photos taken with Duo. Though I have not found many.
> There are a few nice photos on Flickr. But I think the Duo is a bit
> overlooked and maybe underrated?
>
> I am looking for a red filter for BW photography. Do you know what
> size I should look for on eBay?
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Philip
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:16 AM, pete.naylor
> <pete.naylor@...> wrote:
>
>         Hi, Philip Hmmm, I hate to be the prophet of doom, but if the
>         black actuating arm on your Duo is badly bent, plus the
>         chromed shutter release lever is loose, it sounds like more
>         than a CLA is needed.
>
>         Camera technicians who are prepared to tinker with 70-year old
>         cameras like these Duo's are hard to find. Time is money, and
>         their services won't come cheap. So although Duo prices do
>         seem to be rising around the globe, you can still find
>         bargains, especially if they have cosmetic faults. For
>         example, a couple of years ago I was lucky enough to score an
>         identical art-deco Duo to the one carried by Amelia Earhart on
>         her last fateful flight, here in Perth for a mere $25. It had
>         a crack in the front VF and the Compur shutter was sleepy but
>         otherwise it was in excellent nick.
>
>         If you want to get serious about collecting Duo's (or any
>         other classic), it's not a bad idea to build up a collection
>         of non-goers to cannabalize. I'm almost ashamed to confess the
>         number of cameras in my 300-plus collection that are actually
>         'Frankenstein' models, made up from this or that bit or bits.
>         The main thing is the end result, I reckon!
>
>         Thanks for the BH prices of their 620 stuff, which I'm sure
>         will be welcome news to the other guys in the Group.
>
>         Regarding my Duo article on Mischa's website, I have to
>         confess that it needs some minor upgrading. Some of my
>         original assumptions have been proved wrong, thanks to
>         information from guys in this Group and elsewhere. For
>         example, it appears that the f3.5 Kodak Anastigmat lenses
>         fitted to US market Duo's were NOT rebadged 4-element
>         Schneider Xenars, but more likely Schneider Radionar triplets.
>         What's strange is that the European market models were fitted
>         with Xenars! Go figure, eh?
>
>         Please take your time to view the considerable amount of scans
>         and photos of relevant stuff contributed by the guys in this
>         Group in both the 'Photos' and 'Files' areas. I doubt that
>         there's a more informative single source anywhere in the
>         world, about those Duo's. However, if you have any additional
>         stuff - be it adverts, brochures or whatever, please post it.
>         Yahoo have very kindly widened the limits for Groups such as
>         ours of late, so file sizes are not so crucial as they used to
>         be.
>
>         PETE NAYLOR
>
>
>
>
>         --- In duo620@..., Philip Greene
>         <philipgreenephotography@...> wrote:
>         >
>         > Hi Peter,
>         >
>         > Thanks for the reply and advice and welcome. No problem with
>         delays!
>         >
>         > The bent part is the black actuating arm - bent completely
>         back at the elbow
>         > that goes up to the chorme arm ( which incidentally is a
>         little loose and
>         > does not fire the shutter properly, I may go ahead and try
>         what you said -
>         > although I was debating aboout sendning it to "Classic
>         Camera for CLA and
>         > repair. I suspect the bent arm may be from folding the
>         lens/bellows back in
>         > improperly by someone.
>         >
>         > BH also sells a number of BW 620 films including TriX, Plus
>         X, Portra 160
>         > color film and Efke. They all range from $10 - 12.00 a roll
>         - not bad for
>         > this film.
>         >
>         > BTW a Duo 620 CRF just went for about $112.00 on eBay. I
>         have seen about 2
>         > in 6 months on eBay. One that is repeatedly there but not
>         sold, has an
>         > asking price of $450.00.
>         >
>         > Just bought a German version of Duo 620 with Carl Zeiss 3.5
>         lens for $40.00
>         > on eBay in very clean condition.
>         >
>         > I'll post some pictures after I use the new Duo. I love to
>         see what they can
>         > do and thought Fuji Velvia could be interesting.
>         >
>         > I ran across an article you write on Mischa (sp?) Koenig's
>         web site. Nicely
>         > written and informative.
>         >
>         > Below are 2 links to some of my photos - mostly digital -
>         though digital has
>         > got me interested in film again.
>         >
>         > Best,
>         >
>         > Philip
>         >
>         >
>         >
>
>         > On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 10:40 AM, pete.naylor
>         <pete.naylor@...>wrote:
>
>         >
>         > >
>         > >
>         > > Hi, Philip First of all - welcome to the Group, mate - and
>         my apologies for
>         > > taking so long to acknowledge your application to join.
>         Mea Culpa, etc, etc
>         > > - I've been having some problems with acessing Yahoo
>         stuff, which was
>         > > apparently due to me still using IE7. Now I've got
>         upgraded to IE8, things
>         > > seem A - OK. BTW - if anybody else is experiencing similar
>         problems, I
>         > > suggest you do the same! The upgrade is free.
>         > >
>         > > Thanks for the tip about BH Photo stocking 620 Fuji
>         Velvia. That sure
>         > > sounds better than going through the angst of reloading
>         120 flm onto 620
>         > > spools, or resizing 120 spool ends to 620 proportions. Do
>         you know how much
>         > > BH are charging?
>         > >
>         > > Regarding the bent shutter arm on your Series 11 Duo, are
>         we talking about
>         > > the chromed vertical arm that actually attaches to the
>         shutter internals, or
>         > > the black painted actuating arm that moves laterally when
>         you hit the
>         > > shutter button on the top cover? If as I suspect, it's the
>         latter, then it's
>         > > maybe the dog-leg arm that's got bent. This is only made
>         from mild steel
>         > > AFAIK and could be realigned with a tweak from a pair of
>         pointy-nose pliers,
>         > > if the bend isn't excessive.
>         > >
>         > > It's not an unusual problem with folders that have a
>         remote shutter release
>         > > on the top cover. Some post-war British Ensign Selfixes
>         are common sufferers
>         > > from the same malady.
>         > >
>         > > PETE NAYLOR (Moderator)
>         > >
>         > >
>
>         > > --- In duo620@... <duo620%
>         40yahoogroups.com.au>,
>
>         > > "philipjohngreene" <philipgreenephotography@> wrote:
>         > > >
>         > > > Hi I'm just curious if anybody has experience with
>         repairing bent linkage
>         > > below bellows - the piece that pushes the shutter lever. I
>         have a duo 620
>         > > series II that needs this repair. I'm wondering how to get
>         under the bellows
>         > > and if bending the metal back might not break it?
>         > > >
>         > > > BTW in case you don't already know BH photo carries 620
>         Fuji Velvia 100.
>         > > I was amazed to see that available.
>         > > >
>         > > > Thanks for any input.
>         > > >
>         > > > Philip
>         > > >
>         > >
>         > >
>         > >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>
>         > --
>         > http://www.philipgreenephotography.com
>         > http://flickr.com/photos/30905774@N04
>         >
>         > Tel. 203-747-9892
>         > Home 203-458-9988
>         >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.philipgreenephotography.com
> http://flickr.com/photos/30905774@N04
>
> Tel. 203-747-9892
> Home 203-458-9988
>
>
>
>

Hi, Philip      Hmmm, I hate to be the prophet of doom, but if the black
actuating arm on your Duo is badly bent, plus the chromed shutter release lever
is loose, it sounds like more than a CLA is needed.

Camera technicians who are prepared to tinker with 70-year old cameras like
these Duo's are hard to find.   Time is money, and their services won't come
cheap.  So although Duo prices do seem to be rising around the globe, you can
still find bargains, especially if they have cosmetic faults.   For example, a
couple of years ago I was lucky enough to score an identical art-deco Duo to the
one carried by Amelia Earhart on her last fateful flight, here in Perth for a
mere $25.   It had a crack in the front VF and the Compur shutter was sleepy but
otherwise it was in excellent nick.

If you want to get serious about collecting Duo's (or any other classic), it's
not a bad idea to build up a collection of non-goers to cannabalize.    I'm
almost ashamed to confess the number of cameras in my 300-plus collection that
are actually 'Frankenstein' models, made up from this or that bit or bits.   
The main thing is the end result, I reckon!

Thanks for the BH prices of their 620 stuff, which I'm sure will be welcome news
to the other guys in the Group.

Regarding my Duo article on Mischa's website, I have to confess that it needs
some minor upgrading.   Some of my original assumptions have been proved wrong,
thanks to information from guys in this Group and elsewhere.   For example, it
appears that the f3.5 Kodak Anastigmat lenses fitted to US market Duo's were NOT
rebadged 4-element Schneider Xenars, but more likely Schneider Radionar
triplets.   What's strange is that the European market models were fitted with
Xenars!   Go figure, eh?

Please take your time to view the considerable amount of scans and photos of
relevant stuff contributed by the guys in this Group in both the 'Photos' and
'Files' areas.    I doubt that there's a more informative single source anywhere
in the world, about those Duo's.   However, if you have any additional stuff -
be it adverts, brochures or whatever, please post it.    Yahoo have very kindly
widened the limits for Groups such as ours of late, so file sizes are not so
crucial as they used to be.


PETE NAYLOR







--- In duo620@..., Philip Greene <philipgreenephotography@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> Thanks for the reply and advice and welcome. No problem with delays!
>
> The bent part is the black actuating arm - bent completely back at the elbow
> that goes up to the chorme arm ( which incidentally is a little loose and
> does not fire the shutter properly, I may go ahead and try what you said -
> although I was debating aboout sendning  it to "Classic Camera for CLA and
> repair. I suspect the bent arm may be from folding the lens/bellows back in
> improperly by someone.
>
> BH also sells a number of BW 620 films including TriX, Plus X, Portra 160
> color film and Efke. They all range from $10 - 12.00 a roll - not bad for
> this film.
>
> BTW a Duo 620 CRF just went for about $112.00 on eBay. I have seen about 2
> in 6 months on eBay. One that is repeatedly there but not sold, has an
> asking price of $450.00.
>
> Just bought a German version of Duo 620 with Carl Zeiss 3.5 lens for $40.00
> on eBay in very clean condition.
>
> I'll post some pictures after I use the new Duo. I love to see what they can
> do and thought Fuji Velvia could be interesting.
>
> I ran across an article you write on Mischa (sp?) Koenig's web site. Nicely
> written and informative.
>
> Below are 2 links to some of my photos - mostly digital - though digital has
> got me interested in film again.
>
> Best,
>
> Philip
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 10:40 AM, pete.naylor <pete.naylor@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi, Philip First of all - welcome to the Group, mate - and my apologies for
> > taking so long to acknowledge your application to join. Mea Culpa, etc, etc
> > - I've been having some problems with acessing Yahoo stuff, which was
> > apparently due to me still using IE7. Now I've got upgraded to IE8, things
> > seem A - OK. BTW - if anybody else is experiencing similar problems, I
> > suggest you do the same! The upgrade is free.
> >
> > Thanks for the tip about BH Photo stocking 620 Fuji Velvia. That sure
> > sounds better than going through the angst of reloading 120 flm onto 620
> > spools, or resizing 120 spool ends to 620 proportions. Do you know how much
> > BH are charging?
> >
> > Regarding the bent shutter arm on your Series 11 Duo, are we talking about
> > the chromed vertical arm that actually attaches to the shutter internals, or
> > the black painted actuating arm that moves laterally when you hit the
> > shutter button on the top cover? If as I suspect, it's the latter, then it's
> > maybe the dog-leg arm that's got bent. This is only made from mild steel
> > AFAIK and could be realigned with a tweak from a pair of pointy-nose pliers,
> > if the bend isn't excessive.
> >
> > It's not an unusual problem with folders that have a remote shutter release
> > on the top cover. Some post-war British Ensign Selfixes are common sufferers
> > from the same malady.
> >
> > PETE NAYLOR (Moderator)
> >
> >
> > --- In duo620@... <duo620%40yahoogroups.com.au>,
> > "philipjohngreene" <philipgreenephotography@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi I'm just curious if anybody has experience with repairing bent linkage
> > below bellows - the piece that pushes the shutter lever. I have a duo 620
> > series II that needs this repair. I'm wondering how to get under the bellows
> > and if bending the metal back might not break it?
> > >
> > > BTW in case you don't already know BH photo carries 620 Fuji Velvia 100.
> > I was amazed to see that available.
> > >
> > > Thanks for any input.
> > >
> > > Philip
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.philipgreenephotography.com
> http://flickr.com/photos/30905774@N04
>
> Tel. 203-747-9892
> Home 203-458-9988
>