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F**k knows lummy but if is a 221 you owe me 2 cartons
Dan
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From: "sandy" <slumsden@...>
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Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:24 AM
Subject: [Early Falcons] Info on 200 221early falcon motor


> Could someone send some info on the difference between the 200 and 221. I
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#3419

From: "sandy" <slumsden@...>
Date: Thu Sep 1, 2005 1:24 am
Subject:: Info on 200 221early falcon motor

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Could someone send some info on the difference between the 200 and 221. I am
not shore what size motor i have. and some where to get rebuild kits.


                  keep cruzin  lummy.

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#3418

From: "john longworth" <honestjohn@...>
Date: Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:50 pm
Subject:: stolen xm station wagon

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Group, one of my customers has had his xm station wagon stolen from Sydney's
eastern suburbs, Bondi  area recently, bright red, white roof, he's sending me
more details soon, and a picture, I'll post that when i get them. if anybody
sees parts that may come from this vehicle or the car in another part of the
country, please try to get a contact for the person in possession , don't tip
them off, get in touch with me (0412327489), I'll contact the owner and he can
let the police deal with them. Keep yours eyes open, thanks , honest john

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#3417

From: remember_who
Date: Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:51 pm
Subject:: Re: Radiator problems?

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I have to say that this really seems like cylinder pressure issues to
me.  Heat will pop the welsh plugs, but to physically separate the
radiator core from the header tank, requires combustion pressures
leaking into the deal.

Culprits?

Porous bore wall (core shift, back corrosion, lack of
ultrasounding...)

Head gasket or other head sealing issues.

Cracks in head (less common  but I've seen them).

Split bore (naturally occurring or damaged by excessively long bolt
in the water pump mount hole closest to #1 cylinder).

I reckon this because one radiator failure could be ascribed to luck,
but two is not coincidence.  Think you can test for carbon monoxide
in the water but CRS tonight, regarding how!

Oh, and I've been told that the bore should be biased towards the non-
thrust face when remachining.  That is, thicker on the thrust side.

Cheers, Adam.

#3416

From: "Darren Trew" <dtrew@...>
Date: Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:18 pm
Subject:: Re: [Early Falcons] radiator problems

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have you checked the timing nearly cooked my XM on the coldest night of
winter, timing was greatly retarded, exhaust manifold was glowing!!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale" <thewothers@...>
To: <earlyfalcons@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:55 PM
Subject: RE: [Early Falcons] radiator problems


> Could your thermostat be faulty?
>
> Maybe as a last resort you could remove the thermostat, run the car and
see
> what happens.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: earlyfalcons@...
> [mailto:earlyfalcons@...] On Behalf Of BandJ
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:44 PM
> To: earlyfalcons@...
> Subject: Re: [Early Falcons] radiator problems
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> Hi John & group ,
> Have not tred running from cold with cap off will do this next,
> motor was rebuilt about 4 years ago and has had coolant in it since
> day one , yes thermostat fitted  , new water pump fitted a month
> ago  couldnt see any visable leaks anywhere , heater recored  ,
> radiator cleaned out every 12 months (std core) and new hoses
> car is also on LPG (new converter fitted)
> will see how it goes
> thanks again Bill
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> --- In earlyfalcons@..., "john longworth"
> <honestjohn@o...> wrote:
> > Bill if you run the car from cold with the radiator cap off, is
> there bubbling in the radiator? (could be blown headgasket)does it
> have a thermostat?, is the system clean? water / coolant see
> through? no other leaks(at all!) check past posts on overheating. It
> can be a worthwile exercise to pull all of the welch plugs and Flush
> out the block, fit a new 3 core radiator, hoses and thermostat,
> welch plugs, and waterpump, for around $500-600 the lot you wont
> need to look at it for years to come. remember summer is coming!!
> Honest John
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: BandJ
> >   To: earlyfalcons@...
> >   Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 8:54 PM
> >   Subject: [Early Falcons] radiator problems
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> >   Hi group ,
> >   Just wondering if anyone can sugest what my problem maybe ,
> >   I have a 144ci motor in a XM ute for a while have had trouble
> with
> >   where the two halves of the top radiator tank is soldered
> together
> >   having the seem split open , i have tried a couple of different
> recond
> >   radiators and same thing happens
> >   I am running a 13 cap , each time after have the tank repaired
> its ok
> >   for a while but water is pumped out the overflow pipe when i
> turn the
> >   motor off
> >   the radiator has the cap on the right hand side of tank , when
> leaks
> >   is always cetre of tank above fan , motor 40thou oversize when
> reco'd
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> >   Thanks  Bill     64XM deluxe ute
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#3415

From: "Dale" <thewothers@...>
Date: Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:55 am
Subject:: RE: [Early Falcons] radiator problems

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Could your thermostat be faulty?

Maybe as a last resort you could remove the thermostat, run the car and see
what happens.

-----Original Message-----
From: earlyfalcons@...
[mailto:earlyfalcons@...] On Behalf Of BandJ
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:44 PM
To: earlyfalcons@...
Subject: Re: [Early Falcons] radiator problems

Hi John & group ,
Have not tred running from cold with cap off will do this next,
motor was rebuilt about 4 years ago and has had coolant in it since
day one , yes thermostat fitted  , new water pump fitted a month
ago  couldnt see any visable leaks anywhere , heater recored  ,
radiator cleaned out every 12 months (std core) and new hoses
car is also on LPG (new converter fitted)
will see how it goes
thanks again Bill



--- In earlyfalcons@..., "john longworth"
<honestjohn@o...> wrote:
> Bill if you run the car from cold with the radiator cap off, is
there bubbling in the radiator? (could be blown headgasket)does it
have a thermostat?, is the system clean? water / coolant see
through? no other leaks(at all!) check past posts on overheating. It
can be a worthwile exercise to pull all of the welch plugs and Flush
out the block, fit a new 3 core radiator, hoses and thermostat,
welch plugs, and waterpump, for around $500-600 the lot you wont
need to look at it for years to come. remember summer is coming!!
Honest John
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: BandJ
>   To: earlyfalcons@...
>   Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 8:54 PM
>   Subject: [Early Falcons] radiator problems
>
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>   Hi group ,
>   Just wondering if anyone can sugest what my problem maybe ,
>   I have a 144ci motor in a XM ute for a while have had trouble
with
>   where the two halves of the top radiator tank is soldered
together
>   having the seem split open , i have tried a couple of different
recond
>   radiators and same thing happens
>   I am running a 13 cap , each time after have the tank repaired
its ok
>   for a while but water is pumped out the overflow pipe when i
turn the
>   motor off
>   the radiator has the cap on the right hand side of tank , when
leaks
>   is always cetre of tank above fan , motor 40thou oversize when
reco'd
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>   Thanks  Bill     64XM deluxe ute
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#3414

From: "BandJ" <blinky1966@...>
Date: Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:44 am
Subject:: Re: [Early Falcons] radiator problems

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Hi John & group ,
Have not tred running from cold with cap off will do this next,
motor was rebuilt about 4 years ago and has had coolant in it since
day one , yes thermostat fitted  , new water pump fitted a month
ago  couldnt see any visable leaks anywhere , heater recored  ,
radiator cleaned out every 12 months (std core) and new hoses
car is also on LPG (new converter fitted)
will see how it goes
thanks again Bill



--- In earlyfalcons@..., "john longworth"
<honestjohn@o...> wrote:
> Bill if you run the car from cold with the radiator cap off, is
there bubbling in the radiator? (could be blown headgasket)does it
have a thermostat?, is the system clean? water / coolant see
through? no other leaks(at all!) check past posts on overheating. It
can be a worthwile exercise to pull all of the welch plugs and Flush
out the block, fit a new 3 core radiator, hoses and thermostat,
welch plugs, and waterpump, for around $500-600 the lot you wont
need to look at it for years to come. remember summer is coming!!
Honest John
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: BandJ
>   To: earlyfalcons@...
>   Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 8:54 PM
>   Subject: [Early Falcons] radiator problems
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>   Hi group ,
>   Just wondering if anyone can sugest what my problem maybe ,
>   I have a 144ci motor in a XM ute for a while have had trouble
with
>   where the two halves of the top radiator tank is soldered
together
>   having the seem split open , i have tried a couple of different
recond
>   radiators and same thing happens
>   I am running a 13 cap , each time after have the tank repaired
its ok
>   for a while but water is pumped out the overflow pipe when i
turn the
>   motor off
>   the radiator has the cap on the right hand side of tank , when
leaks
>   is always cetre of tank above fan , motor 40thou oversize when
reco'd
>
>   Thanks  Bill     64XM deluxe ute
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#3413

From: jester67xp
Date: Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:18 am
Subject:: 302W Rebuild Question

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Does anyone know of a reputable engine rebuilder in the Melbourne-
Geelong area. Looking at getting 220-225KW from a 302W.

Cheers

Daz

#3412

From: "john longworth" <honestjohn@...>
Date: Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:25 pm
Subject:: Re: [Early Falcons] radiator problems

j_longworthau

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Bill if you run the car from cold with the radiator cap off, is there bubbling
in the radiator? (could be blown headgasket)does it have a thermostat?, is the
system clean? water / coolant see through? no other leaks(at all!) check past
posts on overheating. It can be a worthwile exercise to pull all of the welch
plugs and Flush out the block, fit a new 3 core radiator, hoses and thermostat,
welch plugs, and waterpump, for around $500-600 the lot you wont need to look at
it for years to come. remember summer is coming!! Honest John
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: BandJ
   To: earlyfalcons@...
   Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 8:54 PM
   Subject: [Early Falcons] radiator problems


   Hi group ,
   Just wondering if anyone can sugest what my problem maybe ,
   I have a 144ci motor in a XM ute for a while have had trouble with
   where the two halves of the top radiator tank is soldered together
   having the seem split open , i have tried a couple of different recond
   radiators and same thing happens
   I am running a 13 cap , each time after have the tank repaired its ok
   for a while but water is pumped out the overflow pipe when i turn the
   motor off
   the radiator has the cap on the right hand side of tank , when leaks
   is always cetre of tank above fan , motor 40thou oversize when reco'd

   Thanks  Bill     64XM deluxe ute




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#3411

From: "BandJ" <blinky1966@...>
Date: Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:54 am
Subject:: radiator problems

billsdecals

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Hi group ,
Just wondering if anyone can sugest what my problem maybe ,
I have a 144ci motor in a XM ute for a while have had trouble with
where the two halves of the top radiator tank is soldered together
having the seem split open , i have tried a couple of different recond
radiators and same thing happens
I am running a 13 cap , each time after have the tank repaired its ok
for a while but water is pumped out the overflow pipe when i turn the
motor off
the radiator has the cap on the right hand side of tank , when leaks
is always cetre of tank above fan , motor 40thou oversize when reco'd

Thanks  Bill     64XM deluxe ute

#3410

From: remember_who
Date: Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:49 am
Subject:: Re: Cars & Parts on Ebay

remember_who

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Ebay only archive to a certain point; after that the information
becomes of no relevance because it's inaccessible.  Surely one of the
general aims of this site is to construct a lasting and accurate
database of stuff.  Transience therefore is something on an enemy...

Is it possible to create a sub-list for people to post and discuss
these finds?  That way, the clarity of the "core" mailing list is
maintained, and quirky things found on the Net also get an airing.  I
realise we discuss other time-specific things such as price and
sourcing but the basic information doesn't usually change over a longer
period; it is just indexed.

An interesting topic for E/F would be people spilling their guts on all
the advanced search keywords and phrases they use!

Regards, Adam.

#3409

From: "Darren Trew" <dtrew@...>
Date: Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:45 am
Subject:: eBay Australia: Falcon XT XW 221ci (3.6) recon engine + BW auto trans (item 4570139153, end time 28-Aug-05 10:54:46 AEST)

dr_falconstein

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http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Falcon-XT-XW-221ci-3-6-recon-engine-BW-auto-trans_W0QQite\
mZ4570139153QQcategoryZ102354QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

#3408

From: "magpies_magic" <andrew_waite@...>
Date: Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:23 am
Subject:: reco 221

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http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Falcon-XT-XW-221ci-3-6-recon-engine-BW-auto-
trans_W0QQitemZ4570139153QQcategoryZ102354QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

#3407

From: "Darren Trew" <dtrew@...>
Date: Fri Aug 26, 2005 4:38 pm
Subject:: eBay Australia: Ford Falcon XP Coupe

dr_falconstein

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and another!!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Ford-Falcon-XP-Coupe_W0QQitemZ4571500381QQcategoryZ102226\
QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

#3406

From: "russell willis" <bundy_iceman@...>
Date: Fri Aug 26, 2005 2:09 pm
Subject:: xp on ebay

bundy_iceman

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I saw this on ebay and thought someone might be interrested it is a
66
xp with a 250 2v motor, 4 sped and disc brake front end     http://
cgi.
ebay.com.au/XP-
FALCON_W0QQitemZ4570013013QQcategoryZ102226QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
      russell

#3405

From: "Deon" <earlyfalcons@...>
Date: Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:31 pm
Subject:: Looking for interest in NEW rear windscreens for XM/XP Coupe

earlyfalcons

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I have a supplier who can get the XM/XP coupe rear screens, but I am
only after one for myself, they are on an order basis and 2-3 need to
be ordered for them to get them in. Price will be $400 plus postage or
is available for pickup in Brisbane. Delivery will take up to 6 weeks.
Just for the record, I don't make money off these, this is cost price,
you will be picking them up from the supplier. Let me know if
interested.

Deon

#3404

From: "john longworth" <honestjohn@...>
Date: Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:57 pm
Subject:: Re: [Early Falcons] question for honest john!!!

j_longworthau

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matt, no manufacturing involved, just use one from an xp , they were fitted with
bw 35, or is your box a later model?honest john
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: low_xm
   To: earlyfalcons@...
   Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:02 PM
   Subject: [Early Falcons] question for honest john!!!


   gday
   i was wondering if you could make me a gearbox crossmember as u said
   in the T5 transmission question you could manufacture one!
   i need one for a borg warner 35 auto in to my xm
   cheers matt




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#3403

From: "Darren Trew" <dtrew@...>
Date: Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:21 pm
Subject:: Cool Ranchero

dr_falconstein

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Heres a cool Ranchero
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1963-FORD-FALCON-RANCHERO-UNIQUE-CUSTOM-AFFORDABL\
E_W0QQitemZ4571115663QQcategoryZ6232QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

#3402

From: "low_xm" <low_xm@...>
Date: Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:02 am
Subject:: question for honest john!!!

low_xm

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gday
i was wondering if you could make me a gearbox crossmember as u said
in the T5 transmission question you could manufacture one!
i need one for a borg warner 35 auto in to my xm
cheers matt

#3401

From: "john longworth" <honestjohn@...>
Date: Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:40 pm
Subject:: Re: [Early Falcons] T-5 into xm

j_longworthau

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its been done, if you want a hydraulic clutch, you need to modify an xb 4 speed
bellhousing, 221 manual flywheel, clutch , fork , throwout bearing. xr-xy clutch
hydraulics, i can have the bellhousing modified here for you if you cant work it
out,
  or for cable clutch get a xf t5 bellhousing(crossflow) bolt the t5 straight up,
you will need to modify the firewall for the cable, and the clutch pedal to
accept the cable ,  floor mods are required to get  clearance, particularly in
an xm, as the tunnel is smaller, rear crossmember is pretty straightforward to
make, or i can manufacture one, bucket seats are the only way to go, the shifter
is too far back for the bench seat. tailshaft also needs a front yoke change and
shortening to fit, its a good modification, i have one on a crossflow(hydraulic
clutch), and we fitted one to a 221(cable clutch) in a mates ute, both xp's
though. honest john
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: rammasxm
   To: earlyfalcons@...
   Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:13 PM
   Subject: [Early Falcons] T-5 into xm


   hey i wanna put a T-5 on the bak of a 221 in an xm, what do i need to
   do?
   Has anyone done it before?
   thanks
   brendan




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#3400

From: "rammasxm" <rammasxm@...>
Date: Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:13 pm
Subject:: T-5 into xm

rammasxm

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hey i wanna put a T-5 on the bak of a 221 in an xm, what do i need to
do?
Has anyone done it before?
thanks
brendan

#3399

From: "Darren Trew" <dtrew@...>
Date: Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:06 am
Subject:: Re: [Early Falcons] Re: In defence of Triple SU carbs

dr_falconstein

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John, could you email me your Honest Johns Logo so i can display it in our
magazine and events
make it big as possible if you can
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From: "john longworth" <honestjohn@...>
To: <earlyfalcons@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Early Falcons] Re: In defence of Triple SU carbs


> i looked at a triple su set up on an xm 221 last week, lynx nos manifold,
i supplied to a customer(got it on ebay 2 months ago!). with carbs fitted it
was closest to the shocktower on the center carb, we were looking at filter
options, it was either those old time very small round filters(approx 6"
round and only about an inch high) these were all the go in the 70's,
blocked up the first dusty day though, or maybe a foam sock type
filter(finer filter/unifilter), on each carb, or lose the old time look and
build a sheet metal folded air box that picked up all three carbs and fit a
pod type modern filter at the front, this was the most practical and
effective, there isnt a lot of room , about 2 inches at most. the guy that
has is the son of an MG owner/mechanic ,an SU guru,it will go!!
>  Cain didn't make a 2v manifold to the best of my knowledge(john cain is
based here in newcastle), ive only ever seen lynx. Honest John
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>   From: BandJ
>   To: earlyfalcons@...
>   Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:15 PM
>   Subject: [Early Falcons] Re: In defence of Triple SU carbs
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>   --- In earlyfalcons@..., tclare10 <no_reply@y...>
>   wrote:
>   > I would have to agree with Adam about the SU's, for something of
>   > British design they work very well. The thing I like is that you
>   can
>   > have performance and economy with the same carby. What I would
>   like
>   > to know is if anyone has successfully fitted a 221 2V with triple
>   > SU's. Last time I had the manifold off I had a trial fit of the
>   SU's
>   > & manifold but couldn't bolt it up due to it fouling on the
>   > extractor flange.
>   > Looked like it would be a very tight fit with almost no room for
>   air
>   > cleaners. Any ideas?
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>   I found when fitting the lynx manifold to the 2V head i had to grind
>   back the edge of the flange on extractors on a angle to be able to
>   bolt everything up , with a worked motor i found the fuel economy
>   was still very good when normal driving but if gave it a hard time
>   thats a different story
>   The main problem i found was fuel evaporation on very hot days when
>   in traffic but a heat sheild helped solve the problem,
>   Im not sure what room you will have in a XP engine bay but on the
>   cortina had to drill hole in firewall to get to adjustment screw on
>   rear carby and think that was fun on the dyno LOL
>   Hope this helps
>   Bill     current car XM deluxe ute
>   >
>   > Toby
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>   > --- In earlyfalcons@..., remember_who
>   <no_reply@y...>
>   > wrote:
>   > > I want to disagree with Dale's summary of SU carbs.  They are a
>   > dead
>   > > simple unit to maintain and (like most carbs) problems generally
>   > > arise from mis-assumptions about setup or tuning.  Neglect or
>   > abuse
>   > > can cause problems (like many carbs), and then fixing may cost a
>   > > little.  Take it to the correct person, and the expense is
>   > > worthwhile.
>   > >
>   > > The fuel metering is open to near infinite adjustment by choice
>   of
>   > > jet size and needle profile.  Most carbs have a much less smooth
>   > fuel
>   > > curve with only three or four stages.  Response can be varied by
>   > > choice of damping medium in the dashpot (no oil, thin oil,
>   thicker
>   > > oil).  That is the equivalent of rooting around with Holley
>   > > accelerator pump cams and vacuum power valves.
>   > >
>   > > Final jetting/needle choices and tuning require colortune plugs
>   > and a
>   > > carb balancer - that's just the way it is.  I reckon this is
>   > cheaper
>   > > than dyno time with a Holley.
>   > >
>   > > You cannot overcarb with a dialled in set of SUs.  Even triple
>   HS-
>   > 8s
>   > > will run happily on a 144, as when the A/F ratio is set and
>   > curved,
>   > > any opening of the throttle maintains that correct mix for the
>   > car.
>   > > Part of the secret is that the carb maintains appropriate
>   > > venturi "signal" by virtue of its different design.
>   > >
>   > > Compare to overcarbing with (say) a Holley 500 on a 170.  Loud
>   > pedal
>   > > goes down, vacuum drops and the power valve dumps fuel right
>   after
>   > > the accelerator pump has finished drowning the bores.  The owner
>   > > wonders why it runs worse with a bigger carb...
>   > >
>   > > As always, when you start to blame the carby, check your
>   ignition
>   > for
>   > > adequacy.  This was never a BMC strong point and products like
>   > > Optospark got a big leg-up over there, because they presented
>   > > improved fuel economy!
>   > >
>   > > A final note on LYNX.  I have come to dislike them; they are a
>   > long
>   > > way from the street machiner's friend of the 1970s/80s company
>   and
>   > > often uncooperative towards simple requests.  They have a few of
>   > the
>   > > kits to modify stock manifolds for SU carbs (not simple) and
>   these
>   > > aren't cheap.  They want a paid up order for 50 manifolds at
>   full
>   > > retail before recasting any of the out of stock designs, and
>   > Redline
>   > > won't do it because of copyright issues (I asked them).
>   > >
>   > > One of the 2V style alloy heads under present R&D will run a 4
>   > barrel
>   > > manifold, so TBI with an "Injection Perfection" style throttle
>   > body
>   > > is a possibility.  Landed here, that head/manifold will probably
>   > be
>   > > about $2500.
>   > >
>   > > Cheers, Adam.
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#3398

From: "john longworth" <honestjohn@...>
Date: Tue Aug 23, 2005 1:45 pm
Subject:: Re: [Early Falcons] Re: In defence of Triple SU carbs

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i looked at a triple su set up on an xm 221 last week, lynx nos manifold, i
supplied to a customer(got it on ebay 2 months ago!). with carbs fitted it was
closest to the shocktower on the center carb, we were looking at filter options,
it was either those old time very small round filters(approx 6" round and only
about an inch high) these were all the go in the 70's, blocked up the first
dusty day though, or maybe a foam sock type filter(finer filter/unifilter), on
each carb, or lose the old time look and build a sheet metal folded air box that
picked up all three carbs and fit a pod type modern filter at the front, this
was the most practical and effective, there isnt a lot of room , about 2 inches
at most. the guy that has is the son of an MG owner/mechanic ,an SU guru,it will
go!!
  Cain didn't make a 2v manifold to the best of my knowledge(john cain is based
here in newcastle), ive only ever seen lynx. Honest John
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: BandJ
   To: earlyfalcons@...
   Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:15 PM
   Subject: [Early Falcons] Re: In defence of Triple SU carbs


   --- In earlyfalcons@..., tclare10 <no_reply@y...>
   wrote:
   > I would have to agree with Adam about the SU's, for something of
   > British design they work very well. The thing I like is that you
   can
   > have performance and economy with the same carby. What I would
   like
   > to know is if anyone has successfully fitted a 221 2V with triple
   > SU's. Last time I had the manifold off I had a trial fit of the
   SU's
   > & manifold but couldn't bolt it up due to it fouling on the
   > extractor flange.
   > Looked like it would be a very tight fit with almost no room for
   air
   > cleaners. Any ideas?

   I found when fitting the lynx manifold to the 2V head i had to grind
   back the edge of the flange on extractors on a angle to be able to
   bolt everything up , with a worked motor i found the fuel economy
   was still very good when normal driving but if gave it a hard time
   thats a different story
   The main problem i found was fuel evaporation on very hot days when
   in traffic but a heat sheild helped solve the problem,
   Im not sure what room you will have in a XP engine bay but on the
   cortina had to drill hole in firewall to get to adjustment screw on
   rear carby and think that was fun on the dyno LOL
   Hope this helps
   Bill     current car XM deluxe ute
   >
   > Toby
   >
   > --- In earlyfalcons@..., remember_who
   <no_reply@y...>
   > wrote:
   > > I want to disagree with Dale's summary of SU carbs.  They are a
   > dead
   > > simple unit to maintain and (like most carbs) problems generally
   > > arise from mis-assumptions about setup or tuning.  Neglect or
   > abuse
   > > can cause problems (like many carbs), and then fixing may cost a
   > > little.  Take it to the correct person, and the expense is
   > > worthwhile.
   > >
   > > The fuel metering is open to near infinite adjustment by choice
   of
   > > jet size and needle profile.  Most carbs have a much less smooth
   > fuel
   > > curve with only three or four stages.  Response can be varied by
   > > choice of damping medium in the dashpot (no oil, thin oil,
   thicker
   > > oil).  That is the equivalent of rooting around with Holley
   > > accelerator pump cams and vacuum power valves.
   > >
   > > Final jetting/needle choices and tuning require colortune plugs
   > and a
   > > carb balancer - that's just the way it is.  I reckon this is
   > cheaper
   > > than dyno time with a Holley.
   > >
   > > You cannot overcarb with a dialled in set of SUs.  Even triple
   HS-
   > 8s
   > > will run happily on a 144, as when the A/F ratio is set and
   > curved,
   > > any opening of the throttle maintains that correct mix for the
   > car.
   > > Part of the secret is that the carb maintains appropriate
   > > venturi "signal" by virtue of its different design.
   > >
   > > Compare to overcarbing with (say) a Holley 500 on a 170.  Loud
   > pedal
   > > goes down, vacuum drops and the power valve dumps fuel right
   after
   > > the accelerator pump has finished drowning the bores.  The owner
   > > wonders why it runs worse with a bigger carb...
   > >
   > > As always, when you start to blame the carby, check your
   ignition
   > for
   > > adequacy.  This was never a BMC strong point and products like
   > > Optospark got a big leg-up over there, because they presented
   > > improved fuel economy!
   > >
   > > A final note on LYNX.  I have come to dislike them; they are a
   > long
   > > way from the street machiner's friend of the 1970s/80s company
   and
   > > often uncooperative towards simple requests.  They have a few of
   > the
   > > kits to modify stock manifolds for SU carbs (not simple) and
   these
   > > aren't cheap.  They want a paid up order for 50 manifolds at
   full
   > > retail before recasting any of the out of stock designs, and
   > Redline
   > > won't do it because of copyright issues (I asked them).
   > >
   > > One of the 2V style alloy heads under present R&D will run a 4
   > barrel
   > > manifold, so TBI with an "Injection Perfection" style throttle
   > body
   > > is a possibility.  Landed here, that head/manifold will probably
   > be
   > > about $2500.
   > >
   > > Cheers, Adam.





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#3397

From: "BandJ" <blinky1966@...>
Date: Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:15 am
Subject:: Re: In defence of Triple SU carbs

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--- In earlyfalcons@..., tclare10 <no_reply@y...>
wrote:
> I would have to agree with Adam about the SU's, for something of
> British design they work very well. The thing I like is that you
can
> have performance and economy with the same carby. What I would
like
> to know is if anyone has successfully fitted a 221 2V with triple
> SU's. Last time I had the manifold off I had a trial fit of the
SU's
> & manifold but couldn't bolt it up due to it fouling on the
> extractor flange.
> Looked like it would be a very tight fit with almost no room for
air
> cleaners. Any ideas?

I found when fitting the lynx manifold to the 2V head i had to grind
back the edge of the flange on extractors on a angle to be able to
bolt everything up , with a worked motor i found the fuel economy
was still very good when normal driving but if gave it a hard time
thats a different story
The main problem i found was fuel evaporation on very hot days when
in traffic but a heat sheild helped solve the problem,
  Im not sure what room you will have in a XP engine bay but on the
cortina had to drill hole in firewall to get to adjustment screw on
rear carby and think that was fun on the dyno LOL
Hope this helps
Bill     current car XM deluxe ute
>
> Toby
>
> --- In earlyfalcons@..., remember_who
<no_reply@y...>
> wrote:
> > I want to disagree with Dale's summary of SU carbs.  They are a
> dead
> > simple unit to maintain and (like most carbs) problems generally
> > arise from mis-assumptions about setup or tuning.  Neglect or
> abuse
> > can cause problems (like many carbs), and then fixing may cost a
> > little.  Take it to the correct person, and the expense is
> > worthwhile.
> >
> > The fuel metering is open to near infinite adjustment by choice
of
> > jet size and needle profile.  Most carbs have a much less smooth
> fuel
> > curve with only three or four stages.  Response can be varied by
> > choice of damping medium in the dashpot (no oil, thin oil,
thicker
> > oil).  That is the equivalent of rooting around with Holley
> > accelerator pump cams and vacuum power valves.
> >
> > Final jetting/needle choices and tuning require colortune plugs
> and a
> > carb balancer - that's just the way it is.  I reckon this is
> cheaper
> > than dyno time with a Holley.
> >
> > You cannot overcarb with a dialled in set of SUs.  Even triple
HS-
> 8s
> > will run happily on a 144, as when the A/F ratio is set and
> curved,
> > any opening of the throttle maintains that correct mix for the
> car.
> > Part of the secret is that the carb maintains appropriate
> > venturi "signal" by virtue of its different design.
> >
> > Compare to overcarbing with (say) a Holley 500 on a 170.  Loud
> pedal
> > goes down, vacuum drops and the power valve dumps fuel right
after
> > the accelerator pump has finished drowning the bores.  The owner
> > wonders why it runs worse with a bigger carb...
> >
> > As always, when you start to blame the carby, check your
ignition
> for
> > adequacy.  This was never a BMC strong point and products like
> > Optospark got a big leg-up over there, because they presented
> > improved fuel economy!
> >
> > A final note on LYNX.  I have come to dislike them; they are a
> long
> > way from the street machiner's friend of the 1970s/80s company
and
> > often uncooperative towards simple requests.  They have a few of
> the
> > kits to modify stock manifolds for SU carbs (not simple) and
these
> > aren't cheap.  They want a paid up order for 50 manifolds at
full
> > retail before recasting any of the out of stock designs, and
> Redline
> > won't do it because of copyright issues (I asked them).
> >
> > One of the 2V style alloy heads under present R&D will run a 4
> barrel
> > manifold, so TBI with an "Injection Perfection" style throttle
> body
> > is a possibility.  Landed here, that head/manifold will probably
> be
> > about $2500.
> >
> > Cheers, Adam.

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#3396

From: "Darren Trew" <dtrew@...>
Date: Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:39 am
Subject:: Re: [Early Falcons] Sunday at the Creek?

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mmmm dont think so they all sold i think, ring ben there might be one
----- Original Message -----
From: "bevan bradley" <falconclubnsw@...>
To: <earlyfalcons@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Early Falcons] Sunday at the Creek?


> Got any tickets left for an ex member, pleasssssee
> --- Darren Trew <dtrew@...> wrote:
>
> > you should get your club magazine tomorrow or
> > thursday with details
> > but we meet at wentworthville macdonalds at 7.30am
> > and leave as a club at
> > 8am
> > great day we get to do a lap of the track, whatch
> > out for Ray in his XK
> > station wagon!!!!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "magpies_magic"
> > <andrew_waite@...>
> > To: <earlyfalcons@...>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:16 PM
> > Subject: [Early Falcons] Sunday at the Creek?
> >
> >
> > > Anyone in the know? What's the Go?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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#3395

From: bevan bradley <falconclubnsw@...>
Date: Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:28 am
Subject:: Re: [Early Falcons] Sunday at the Creek?

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Got any tickets left for an ex member, pleasssssee
--- Darren Trew <dtrew@...> wrote:

> you should get your club magazine tomorrow or
> thursday with details
> but we meet at wentworthville macdonalds at 7.30am
> and leave as a club at
> 8am
> great day we get to do a lap of the track, whatch
> out for Ray in his XK
> station wagon!!!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "magpies_magic"
> <andrew_waite@...>
> To: <earlyfalcons@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:16 PM
> Subject: [Early Falcons] Sunday at the Creek?
>
>
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> >
> >
> >
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#3394

From: "Darren Trew" <dtrew@...>
Date: Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:33 am
Subject:: Re: [Early Falcons] Sunday at the Creek?

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you should get your club magazine tomorrow or thursday with details
but we meet at wentworthville macdonalds at 7.30am and leave as a club at
8am
great day we get to do a lap of the track, whatch out for Ray in his XK
station wagon!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "magpies_magic" <andrew_waite@...>
To: <earlyfalcons@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:16 PM
Subject: [Early Falcons] Sunday at the Creek?


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#3393

From: "magpies_magic" <andrew_waite@...>
Date: Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:16 am
Subject:: Sunday at the Creek?

magpies_magic

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Anyone in the know? What's the Go?

#3392

From: "rammasxm" <rammasxm@...>
Date: Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:11 am
Subject:: Re: In defence of Triple SU carbs

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