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#76 From: "john.mail@..." <john.mail@...>
Date: Tue May 29, 2007 3:40 am
Subject:: Re: Fossils at Canowindra [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
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Hello Adrian,


Search via Australian Museum or via "Age of Fishes Museum" in Google and you should get information on all this.

The particular fossiliferous lens discovered in 1956 near Canowindra was probably just about all entirely dug up in due course and the slabs removed to the museum's land.  It was in all some 180 slabs of  80 t mass, which ought to hold/yield 3000-4000 fish specimens.
 
The museum may have facilities for visitors to do things?   Wellington Caves precincts, for example, is a site which has for some years now had some palae-lab facilities where (for a fee) people can work with fossils in various ways.

Although Devonian full fish are very rare, individual scattered plates from their armour can more often (but still  uncommonly) be found in the Devonian hard sandstones or 'quartzites' which are very widespread in central NSW.  There's a man named Alex Ritchie who knows where all the old fish hang out.   Others may know too.

I've found a few myself but you usually find then when you are NOT looking for them.   If you actually look for them you might never find them :-)

Regards,



John Byrnes



#75 From: Rodney Berrell <rod_rex@...>
Date: Tue May 29, 2007 2:14 am
Subject:: Re: Fossils at Canowindra [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
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Hi Adrian,
The material at Canowindra "the actual fish locality"
is protected by canowindra shire council. If you
contact monica young from gondwana dreaming, she
organises digs (people pay to go on) with the Age of
museum, unfornatly your not allow to keep any of the
finds on these digs. hope that helps.

Rodney





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#74 From: Adrian.Fryatt@...
Date: Tue May 29, 2007 12:29 am
Subject:: Fossils at Canowindra [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
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Hi all, I am new to your group.  Iwas wondering what the situation is in
regards to finding fossils at Canowindra.  Is this the exclusive preserve
of the Universities or can I look for myself or can I join an organised
tour group?
Thanks for your help!   Adrian


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#73 From: John <john.mail@...>
Date: Mon May 21, 2007 8:31 am
Subject:: Re: still stumped
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Hi John,

Thanks for the news update.

And as to the seeming inactivity here in not having gotten to Coal and
Candle Creek yet all I can say is that it is still high in mind to do.  It
may seem amazing that we STILL haven't been to visit the site you informed
me of now fairly long ago, but at least the interest in the matter has
grown and someone will get there sooner or later .. currently with June in
mind.

I've also got a photo of a quite large log at Mt Wood east of Tibooburra -
either stream transported log from the Jurassic, or less likely was
driftwood in the Cretacious Rolling Downs Group.  It had been brought in to
Mt Wood station when I photographed it years ago and exact occurrence now
uncertain, but I am thinking of following up on that one too.

I think that's all that's woody that I know of at the moment.

Cheers,




John



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At 02:54 AM 5/21/07 -0000, you wrote:

>John Byrnes

>your message reminds me that I said I'd have a story by now on the
>Jurassic tree at the Hobart Museum. Well it ain't ready for display
>yet. Meanwhile fellow collector Peter Harris and I are looking for a
>suitable Tertiary log to go to the Museum as a companion piece, in all
>likelihood retrieved by a 12' tinny from the base of tuff cliffs on
>the Derwent River.

>Talking of museums Ulverstone based collector Adam Anderson tells me
>club patron Greg Edgecombe has relocated to the British Museum in
>London  as an invertebrates specialist.
>Regards

>John Newlands

#72 From: "janewlands" <janewlands@...>
Date: Mon May 21, 2007 2:54 am
Subject:: still stumped
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John Byrnes
your message reminds me that I said I'd have a story by now on the
Jurassic tree at the Hobart Museum. Well it ain't ready for display
yet. Meanwhile fellow collector Peter Harris and I are looking for a
suitable Tertiary log to go to the Museum as a companion piece, in all
likelihood retrieved by a 12' tinny from the base of tuff cliffs on
the Derwent River.

Talking of museums Ulverstone based collector Adam Anderson tells me
club patron Greg Edgecombe has relocated to the British Museum in
London  as an invertebrates specialist.
Regards
John Newlands

#71 From: John <john.mail@...>
Date: Mon May 21, 2007 12:09 am
Subject:: Interests (esp. Maroota and Fossil Trees)
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Hi All,


My apology to the Club that I *STILL* have not yet sent money for
membership .... blush.

I do wish to belong and my only 'excuse' is that I am a great
procrastinator with a long list of many thing to be done and knowledge that
I'm guilty of "not getting around to things" to a significant degree.

Anyway, I WILL be sending the membership application and fee; or if perhaps
I came to any meeting beforehand I'll pay on the spot.

That said, I'm catching up with something else I perhaps should have done
before and didn't do .. or maybe I did (I don't remember)?

That was that Albert on 4/7/2006 wrote that I might like to post more
information on the Maroota project.

So here that is.

It is based in or closely related to LachlanHunter Associates, which is a
voluntary association (so far of geologists and one archaeologist) of
persons interested in the way things used to be (natural history) of the
Lachlan/Sydney/Hunter region of NSW (that's most of NSW leaving off a few
bits like New England, Broken Hill precambrian block, and Murray Basin).
Anyone's welcome to join or associate in any way.

A common theme that would 'work' for any area that we have been following
is the idea of compilation of natural history information on disk.  Best
commercial pricing I've so far seen for that is $0.33 per A4 page (jobs
over 200 pages).

We are not likely to do it unless we get a grant of some sort.  So far 8+
grant-seekings have all been unsuccessful but this year once again grant
request for Maroota is being made to Environmental Trust.  And ditto for
Upper Castlereagh area which is also mainly to do with the history of the
Nepean-Hawkesbury River evolution.

The Maroota project is based on the Maroota Sand, and hence the scope/area
extent of it is restricted per se to the area of the Maroota Sand formation
(but some/most of the persons interested also have wider interests in the
area too).

Even though the Maroota project has not been funded we are "doing it
anyway" but only on a very small scale and at quite slow rate.

This entails occasional meetings at Maroota and also there is a newsletter
for anybody interested.  I think there's about 40 people on the newsletter
and if you want to be added just send me a request directly please.  News
of Maroota is sent out at least once a month.

The next meeting coming up for Maroota will be held at Maroota Public
School in conjunction with the "show and tell" for the
next sand quarry planned for Maroota (for Lot 2, DP 555184, Old Northern
Road, Maroota by Arkzeal Pty Ltd).

Our prime interest is getting permission to wander over the land at
Maroota, much of which is now owned by sand mining companies, because until
we can do that (i.e. actually look at the Maroota Sand and also look at
exposures made within it during quarrying) we are not getting very far very
fast with the envisaged study.

Others likely to go to the show-and-tell day would almost certainly be
local residents with various concerns about sand mining.

We (Maroota Sand geology devotees .. or LH .. might, if time were
available, and if sufficent interest manifested, also try to organise a bit
of a tour of the surroundings on that day.  There's not a terrible great
deal to be seen that you would not see for yourself just by driving around
with or without any guide.  On the east side of the Maroota Sand is a small
circular remnant of a basalt flow.  It overlaps the edge of the Sand
against Hawkesbury Sandstone on the east, we think.  A bit of drilling
would be nice .. but again that needs funds.  A dating of the basalt has
given an Eocene age.  The sand at Maroota is likely the oldest known bit of
the Nepean-Hawkesbury history preserved anywhere around.

If you measured the height of Maroota, or rather read it off a map which
might be easiest (or easier still off Google Earth), and the elevation of
the river where it now lies in its valley 'far' below, take one from the
other and divide by the number of years between then you'll get an idea of
average downcutting rate at this area.

The Aboriginal carvings at Maroota (Devil's Rock) have been said by some to
be some of Australia's finest.  The Maroota Sand is a good aquifer, which
contained easily accessible water at not all that far down.  If the
Aborigines knew this, and used that water, then this could have
sustained/made Maroota a major pre-European meeting place.  That idea has
probably been around a long time but is difficult to test one way or the
other - and there are very few implements or fragments that have been found
on the Maroota Sand area itself.

So, that is a description of the Maroota project or current interests at
Maroota.

LachlanHunter also has a 'Fossil Trees Interest Group (FTIG)' activity.

If you wish to be added to the emailing list for that, again just contact me.

FTIG interests include fossil trees/forests worldwide, and locally the
Permian ones of the Sydney Basin.

Main interest is in the fossil forest horizons of the Lake Macquarie area
but there are also interests in the southern coalfield too.

And of course in chasing the possibility of a Narrabeen Group fossil
forest, the first suggestion/trace of which came from
the Fossil Club, with the mention of a fossil tree having been found many
years ago at Coal and Candle Creek.

Since then more ?tree objects, vertical in sandstone, have been reported in
sandstone at Box Head.

So far neither of these spots have been visited to look for or look at
these "trees" but there is now a total of ~13 or more persons interested in
this and a meeting of these is planned for 23 June (pencilled in date) at
Bouddi National Park.

I watch the activities in Tasmania on the fossil trees of course and
amazing what's been achieved or might be achieved/discovered there.

None of us (LachlanHunter) happen to be a creationist, but our small scale
community activities (e.g. the Maroota project monthly news is published in
a small newspaper/newsletter distributed all around Maroota and nearby
places) have attracted response from one creationist at Maroota and also
the fossil trees topic north of Sydney has been of running interest to
creationists for years.  No creationists have so far come to any of our
meetings but I think it is inevitable that they sooner or later will. Maybe
we will get along okay (as some creationists are geologists too) but in
general the ideas of creationists and orthodox geology are impossible to
reconcile.

So that's it .. there's three projects or interests that I'd love to hear
from know anybody else interested in joining or cooperating in (Maroota,
Castlereagh, fossils trees at Lake Macquarie area or elsewhere).

Cheers,



John Byrnes

(Strathfield)














surrounding the Project Site. This meeting raised certain concerns
which our client would prefer to address prior to holding the information
session.
Our client appreciates that the community’s time and attention is valuable.

Postponement of the session will allow time to resolve issues, meet landholder
expectations and ensure project plans meet the detail and certainty
necessary for
effective community discussion. It will mean that your time, and that of other
stakeholders, is not unduly spent reviewing information that may change or not
remain relevant as the project progresses.

Arkzeal and Key Insights apologise for any inconvenience. We thank you for
your
interest to date and will inform you of the new Information Day date as it
becomes
available.

Regards,

Melissa Kilkelly
Key Insights Pty Ltd






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Hi Melissa,


Just seeing this very late at the moment before I hit the sack.

But yes I can distribute widely the postponed date.

I'll do it tomorrow.

And get back to you to confirm I've done it.

Cheers,




John Byrnes

#70 From: "paleosearch" <paleosearch@...>
Date: Sat Apr 21, 2007 11:52 pm
Subject:: Re: booklets
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Hi Guys
The book Digging Up Deep Time by Paul Willis & Abbie Thomas (ABC
Books)mentioned sites in and around Sydney. I don't know this would help.

Albert


--- In fossilclubgroup@..., John <john.mail@...> wrote:
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> To: James Hall Strong, james_hall_strong@...
>
>
>
> Hello James,
>
> I am interested in getting these too, as I've been trying to compile
little
> by litte all sites of geological interest around Sydney.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> John Byrnes
>
>
> (Geologist, Sydney, Australia)
>
>
>
>
>
> ~~~~
>
>
> Hello... I recently borrowed a copy of the booklet "Finding Fossils in
> Sydney" (1987) by Peter Watson, and I note that it is partly based on
> another booklet by Peter, "How to Find Fossils in Sydney"... are
> either of these works still available, through the club or elsewhere?
>
> Thanks,
> James :)
>

#69 From: John <john.mail@...>
Date: Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:05 pm
Subject:: booklets
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Hello James,

I am interested in getting these too, as I've been trying to compile little
by litte all sites of geological interest around Sydney.


Cheers,



John Byrnes


(Geologist, Sydney, Australia)





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Hello... I recently borrowed a copy of the booklet "Finding Fossils in
Sydney" (1987) by Peter Watson, and I note that it is partly based on
another booklet by Peter, "How to Find Fossils in Sydney"... are
either of these works still available, through the club or elsewhere?

Thanks,
James :)

#68 From: "James Hall Strong" <james_hall_strong@...>
Date: Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:58 pm
Subject:: booklets
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Hello... I recently borrowed a copy of the booklet "Finding Fossils in
Sydney" (1987) by Peter Watson, and I note that it is partly based on
another booklet by Peter, "How to Find Fossils in Sydney"... are
either of these works still available, through the club or elsewhere?

Thanks,
James :)

#67 From: "paleosearch" <paleosearch@...>
Date: Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:11 pm
Subject:: 2007 Tucson Fossil Show Pictures
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Hello Everone
I have replaced the 2006 Tucson Fossil pictures with the 2007 ones.
Hope you all like it. I have archived the 2006 pictures and if anyone
wants to see it please let know.

Albert

#66 From: "rod_rex" <rod_rex@...>
Date: Thu Mar 1, 2007 12:17 am
Subject:: Fossils sites in southern queensland
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Hi All.
i have just moved to queensland to begin my honours on fossil fish
from the winton formation,
does any one know any localities near brisbane, for instance i heard
of a quarry near Ipswich that produces plant material.


Thanks

rodney

#65 From: "paleosearch" <paleosearch@...>
Date: Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:20 pm
Subject:: Tucson Mineral and Fossil Show Pictures
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Hello All

I will be deleting the 2006 Tucson Mineral and Fossil Show pictures
soon and will replace them with this year's pictures. If you have not
had a chance to look at some of the good stuff there please do.

Albert
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#64 From: jill harrison <jillyonly1@...>
Date: Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:21 am
Subject:: Fwd: Re: A labyrinthodont walked this way - At Macquarie Fields.
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> Subject: Re: [fossilclubgroup] A labyrinthodont
> walked this way - At Macquarie Fields.
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> Just a little piece of rock (one of many) found at
> Mulbring with the Fossil Club in 2006. Make great
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#63 From: jill harrison <jillyonly1@...>
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Subject:: Re: A labyrinthodont walked this way - At Macquarie Fields.
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#62 From: John <john.mail@...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:36 am
Subject:: A labyrinthodont walked this way - At Macquarie Fields.
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Hello,


Here is another site further to the list of interesting fossil sites around
Sydney, some of which people have discussed or mentioned in previous posts.

The information can be downloaded:

Title: A Labyrinthodont Trackway from the Mid-Triassic near Sydney, New
South Wales.

Download via eprint.uq.edu.au/archive/00002179/

The track imprints of the critter's feet are clear enough to define the
direction of travel vector.  That's very good, except that they don't then
seem to have stated it!

The authors Julian Pepperell and Gordon Grigg were both apparently
zoologists at the School of Biological Sciences, University of New South
Wales.  That would possibly be in what is now called
"BEES" (after geology and biology were amalgamated at UNSW).

The authors as you can see did a wonderful job of interpretation although
they apparently forgot to give any location diagram or locality
description, things that are highly essential in almost all cases.

The direction the animal travelled in cannot be read off their location
map/plan because they gave none.  They do inform us at one point in the
text that old Laby exited stage 'right' on this occasion, but as they don't
tie this into the direction of the compass, or anything else, it doesn't
help much.

The trackway was as casts of the footprints but they don't mention the
thickness or grainsize of the casting medium bed.  If it was very thick or
significantly coarse then it would cast some doubt on whether this was
really in Ashfield Shale or not.

Anyway, I'll try to contact the Metropolitan, Sewerage and Drainage Board
or whoever they are nowadays and to see what record they may have of the
matter.

As for other labyrinthodont tracks around Sydney there is also said to be
some exposed in the basement of the winery at South Maroota, as I might
have noted previously.  This is mentioned in tourist pamphlets but with no
photos.  I'll see if there is any objection to them being photographed, and
if not then try to take a photo or two if I can go there.

Best Regards,



John Byrnes

#61 From: Rodney Berrell <rod_rex@...>
Date: Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:10 am
Subject:: Re: Re: Fossil sites near Sydney
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Hi All,
i have recently heard that the fossil fish found in
shale at Epping Boys high school near marsfield, has
now been coved in that concrete spray material, so no
more can be collected, i have also heard that the
fossils recovered from tamborine bay is now no longer
available, because no shale is left.

Thanks

rodney



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#60 From: John <john.mail@...>
Date: Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:26 pm
Subject:: Some more on Ashfield Shale begin exposed at Strathfield, and other sites
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Hi,


This (Strathfield excavation) is not a fossil site ... i.e. nothing has
been found there, but I'd be pretty certain nobody has looked either.

It is as I mentioned before, a large current excavation into fresh Asfield
Shale - many metres deep and must be for a place intending to have
multi-level subsurface car parking.

I've got the address more accurately now.   It is at Parramatta Road on the
corner with Cooper Street, and the excavation extends back from Parramatta
Road towards the next parallel street which is Hilts Street.

Being quite deep and narrow I strongly suspect the developers will be very
OHS-sensitive about anyone going there though .. however I've noticed that
it doesn't work at all on weekends, when inspection of the shale would be
quite easy if allowed.  Over half of the excavation has by now been
concrete lined and is useless, but the bit at the Parramatta Road end is
still chewing away merrily and breaking up great chunks of shale, as you
can just barely glimpse over the top of the fence.

In a different area of Sydney, the quarry at East Wahroonga which produced
a small fishmany years ago is reached from the northern end of Clissold
Road ... walk east from there downslope along a dirt track leading down to
Lovers Leap Creek.  I presume the quarry is long defunct and I have not
been there for years but it used to have lots of shale spoil still around.
There used to be a crusher operated there.  The "kid" who found that fish
later went on to become a geologist, by the name of John Love.

Another feature of interest near there is polygonal jointing of the type
seen at West Head and around Gosford, and a convenient example is
immediately north of the retirement village (old school site) on the
eastern side of Grosvenor Street.

Besides labyrinthodont footprints at Berowra people at Maroota do say that
somebody local there has them under his house of something like that
(presumably a known/recorded site?).  They have also been reported at
places north of Broken Bay and someone thereabouts only quite recently
mentioned to me that he is soon going to search again for tracks or
anything interesting along the coastal exposure at Kincumber.  Photos I've
seen from thereabouts could be 'something' but didn't look terribly
convincing.

Regards,


John Byrnes





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At 11:25 AM 1/28/2007 -0000, you wrote:

>Hi Jill
>
>Thought I would through in my two cents worth here, having spent a
>while looking for fossils in and around Sydney.
>
>Firstly, good fossils are few and far between and its a matter of
>checking every excavation that you can and its a then a matter of
>odds, luck and ability to identify the right signs.  I always carry
>around a hard hat, fluro vest and boots so that if I see a site I can
>put on the fafety gear and ask if I can look around.  You get a lot
>of knockbacks but sometimes you get lucky, especially if you are only
>asking to look at rock dumps and not work face areas.  Turning up at
>knock off time often worked as well.
>
>A lot of operators are paranoid about OH&S or that you will find an
>aboriginal relic and have their site closed down.
>
>Some actual sites I'm aware of and are probably not listed elsewhere
>include:-
>
> - A friend of mine was shown fish fossils from an oval excavation at
>a school around Epping, I'm pretty sure it was Epping Boys High.
>
> - I found fish fossils and some cartlige shark fossils at the cnr of
>Pennant Hills Rd and the M2 during its construction.
>
> - I found another nice complete fish at Baulkham Hills in brick
>quarry leftovers and some Unios nearby in some rubble being dug up to
>lay a water pipe
>
> - I also found a large piece of conifer at Leighton Pl, Hornsby at
>an excavation for a factory
>
> - other plant fossil locations are numerous but few of the specimens
>would make it into a display cabinet.
>
> - A work friend found a fish fossil at Horsley Park in Western
>Sydney while digging for a fence post.
>
> - I've heard that Labyrinthodont footprints were found at Berowra
>during construction of a home and were not formally identified untill
>15 years after they were reported to the museum.
>
> - The Hornsby Heights Quarry is a shale lens in sandstone and had a
>mortality layer of fish near its base.  Much of it is still there but
>buried under about three meters of huge boulders, put there by the
>Quarry mamager to stop people comming in after hours.  The odd fish
>was found at other levels in the quarry.  It is now part of a public
>reserve.
>
>Great fossils will be dug up and destroyed or reburied in Sydney
>tomorrow but almost no one is looking. It is up to us enthusiasts.
>
>Do you have a copy of the old Fossil Club publication "Finding
>fossils in Sydney" Compiled by Peter Watson ?  While it is small it
>gives a good overview.
>
>
>Regards
>Paul

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Date: Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:25 am
Subject:: Re: Fossil sites near Sydney
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Hi Jill

Thought I would through in my two cents worth here, having spent a
while looking for fossils in and around Sydney.

Firstly, good fossils are few and far between and its a matter of
checking every excavation that you can and its a then a matter of
odds, luck and ability to identify the right signs.  I always carry
around a hard hat, fluro vest and boots so that if I see a site I can
put on the fafety gear and ask if I can look around.  You get a lot
of knockbacks but sometimes you get lucky, especially if you are only
asking to look at rock dumps and not work face areas.  Turning up at
knock off time often worked as well.

A lot of operators are paranoid about OH&S or that you will find an
aboriginal relic and have their site closed down.

Some actual sites I'm aware of and are probably not listed elsewhere
include:-

  - A friend of mine was shown fish fossils from an oval excavation at
a school around Epping, I'm pretty sure it was Epping Boys High.

  - I found fish fossils and some cartlige shark fossils at the cnr of
Pennant Hills Rd and the M2 during its construction.

  - I found another nice complete fish at Baulkham Hills in brick
quarry leftovers and some Unios nearby in some rubble being dug up to
lay a water pipe

  - I also found a large piece of conifer at Leighton Pl, Hornsby at
an excavation for a factory

  - other plant fossil locations are numerous but few of the specimens
would make it into a display cabinet.

  - A work friend found a fish fossil at Horsley Park in Western
Sydney while digging for a fence post.

  - I've heard that Labyrinthodont footprints were found at Berowra
during construction of a home and were not formally identified untill
15 years after they were reported to the museum.

  - The Hornsby Heights Quarry is a shale lens in sandstone and had a
mortality layer of fish near its base.  Much of it is still there but
buried under about three meters of huge boulders, put there by the
Quarry mamager to stop people comming in after hours.  The odd fish
was found at other levels in the quarry.  It is now part of a public
reserve.

Great fossils will be dug up and destroyed or reburied in Sydney
tomorrow but almost no one is looking. It is up to us enthusiasts.

Do you have a copy of the old Fossil Club publication "Finding
fossils in Sydney" Compiled by Peter Watson ?  While it is small it
gives a good overview.


Regards
Paul

#58 From: John <john.mail@...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:42 pm
Subject:: Re: The 'trees' at Box Head
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I've no idea when I'll be able to take a walk out to Box Head in order to
look at the two 'trees' shown in that photograph referred to, or whatever
they are.   And I'm actually intending to first go and try to find that
creek 'stump' site which John Newlands knows about.

However I've just checked with Gosford council and they know nothing at all
about them.

They do have some 'fake' Egyptian engravings on sandstone near Gosford I
was informed.  However there's nothing 'fake' looking about these prominent
vertical objects photographed in the sandstone at Box Head.

This section of coast has been examined/mapped by geologists in fairly
recent times I would think, and hence I think it would be a very curious
thing indeed if such objects (of about person-height?) had escaped previous
detection/notice/comment (apart from being noticed of course by creation
geology).

Cheers,


John Byrnes

#57 From: "Gary Dargan" <dargang@...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:54 pm
Subject:: Re: Re: Fossil sites near Sydney
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Long Reef is a protected site and collecting of any kind is prohibited there. I am not sure about Turrimetta head but some coastal councils also prohibit collecting.
Regards
Gary
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Subject: [fossilclubgroup] Re: Fossil sites near Sydney

Hi There All.
I recently purchased some fossils from an old collection which had some
locations on the labels of fossil sites in Sydney. I did a bit of
exploring and looked at an old quarry in Hornsby Heights, although i
dident find any fish fossils, i did find some plant material including
a Horsetail plant fossil which is quit nice. other localities worth a
try include long reef and Turimetta head on the coast.

its a bit disapointing that the former quarries of sydney that produced
so muxh fossil material are now biuld over, or used as rubbish tips.

for more sites in and around sydney try.

Willis and Thomas, 2005. Digging up deep time. ABC Books

Thanks

Rodney


#56 From: "jillyonly1" <jillyonly1@...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:36 am
Subject:: Re: Fossil sites near Sydney
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Thankyou Rodney, I will add that to my list of information Jill
Harrison

#55 From: "janewlands" <janewlands@...>
Date: Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:43 am
Subject:: clarification
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Fossilies

I should acknowledge that the photo of the Tasmanian amphibians was
taken by its discover Bob Tyson.

I copy pasted the article on the Box Head 'logs' to the Files section
as I had to hunt around for a while in the archives of the journal
linked to by John Byrnes.

You always want what you can't get. Brisbane based NSWFC member Don
Eastwell and I just spent hours in unstable ravines and horizontal
scrub infested with leeches and tiger snakes. We were looking for
Cambrian trilobites allegedly near old tin mines on the Tas west
coast. Yass has more Palaeozoic marine fossils but over here the
problem is lack of roads, not so much private property.

Regards
John Newlands

#54 From: "rod_rex" <rod_rex@...>
Date: Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:19 am
Subject:: Re: Fossil sites near Sydney
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Hi There All.
I recently purchased some fossils from an old collection which had some
locations on the labels of fossil sites in Sydney. I did a bit of
exploring and looked at an old quarry in Hornsby Heights, although i
dident find any fish fossils, i did find some plant material including
a Horsetail plant fossil which is quit nice. other localities worth a
try include long reef and Turimetta head on the coast.

its a bit disapointing that the former quarries of sydney that produced
so muxh fossil material are now biuld over, or used as rubbish tips.

for more sites in and around sydney try.

Willis and Thomas, 2005. Digging up deep time. ABC Books

Thanks

Rodney

#53 From: John <john.mail@...>
Date: Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:42 am
Subject:: Fossil sites near Sydney
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Dear All,


Somebody not too long ago asked where fossils could be seen near Sydney.

I think the replies were along the lines of looking in the Narrabeen Group
along the coast and somebody else also suggested a shale exposure near
Epping or Eastwood?

Was anything ever found near Epping?  I think I posted that I thought it
was unlikely, even though there was once a very large brickpit there.

Currently there is a new deep excavation into Ashfield Shale happening on
the southern side of
Parramatta Road immediately west of the entrance to the Western Freeway at
Strathfield.  The shale is being trucked away to somewhere.  Wherever it is
being taken to might be somewhere that fresh Ashfield Shale could be
examined at leisure or in comfort (since the bottom of the excavation is
rather hectic with machinery, and you are very unlikely to be permitted
down there I would think?).

But much more interesting is the chance 'discovery' on a creationist
geology website of a photo of two 'standing trees' in the top of the
Narrabeen Group (called the Terrigal Formation around Gosford) on the
northern side of Broken Bay, at the eastern side of Box Head.

The two objects seem to be solid cylinders and quite regular in shape; not
the irregular iron oxide shells that occur commonly in Triassic sandstones
and which sometimes vaguely resemble trees.

If these vertical objects in the sandstone are not trees then I don't know
what they could be.  They sure look to be interesting objects!

The URL is
http://www.creationontheweb.com/images/creation_mag/vol25/252trunkhawkesbury
.jpg


Kind Regards,



Dr John G. Byrnes

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#52 From: "paleosearch" <paleosearch@...>
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2007 11:18 pm
Subject:: Re: new pic
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Happy New Year everyone

That is a great picture of the two skulls of labyrinthodont
amphibians. Hope there are more finds. The fossilized tree stumps seem
to get bigger maybe one day someone will find a really gigantic one.

Albert


--- In fossilclubgroup@..., "janewlands"
<janewlands@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings
>
> I went into the lab location of the Hobart Museum to see how progress
> was going on the recently excavated Jurassic tree stump... still in
> pieces at this stage, though the discoverer reckons he has found a
> bigger tree four feet in diameter. However with their permission I've
> uploaded to the Miscellaneous photo album an image of an early
> Triassic  fossil. It was found in 2006 by bushwalkers on the east
> coast and consists of two skulls of labyrinthodont amphibians that may
> have resembled modern salamanders. Perhaps their waterhole dried up
> which sounds ominous for humans. Another one for the 'must find' list.
>
> John in Tassie
>

#51 From: "janewlands" <janewlands@...>
Date: Thu Jan 4, 2007 7:35 am
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Greetings

I went into the lab location of the Hobart Museum to see how progress
was going on the recently excavated Jurassic tree stump... still in
pieces at this stage, though the discoverer reckons he has found a
bigger tree four feet in diameter. However with their permission I've
uploaded to the Miscellaneous photo album an image of an early
Triassic  fossil. It was found in 2006 by bushwalkers on the east
coast and consists of two skulls of labyrinthodont amphibians that may
have resembled modern salamanders. Perhaps their waterhole dried up
which sounds ominous for humans. Another one for the 'must find' list.

John in Tassie

#50 From: Rodney Berrell <rod_rex@...>
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:02 am
Subject:: introduction and talbragar fish
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hi all,
i am new to this web group. so to tell you all a bit
about my self, i am a palaeontological student at
macquarie university, going on to postgrad work in
2007 at univeristy of queensland.

what i am after is A Coccolepis fossil from talbragar
if any of you have one you would like to swap or sell
please let me know.

many thanks


rodney berrell

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#49 From: "janewlands" <janewlands@...>
Date: Wed Nov 8, 2006 10:27 am
Subject:: new pic
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Greetings

I've uploaded to the Miscellaneous photo album a picture of an
excavator removing the stump of a Jurassic tree, species unknown but
perhaps a Wollemia ancestor. It will be araldited back together at
Hobart Museum; interestingly some lateral roots are transparent and
brown like smokey quartz. More on that when it happens.

This weekend I'm going to Zeehan Gem Show with some others to look for
mainly Cambrian trilobites associated with abandoned mines. If I don't
disappear that could be yet another story.

Regards
John in Tassie

#48 From: "paleosearch" <paleosearch@...>
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2006 10:28 pm
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Hi everyone,

The Royal Society Digital Journal Archive, dating back to 1665 and
containing more than 60,000 articles, is now available online at
www.journals.royalsoc.ac.uk and is FREE to access until the end of
November 2006.

You can access this from the URL below.

http://www.journals.royalsoc.ac.uk/
(zmzsm245p540sh45ejnzww45)/app/home/main.asp?referrer=default


e.g. If you type in the word trilobite* you will get all papers
dealing with trilobites.

Enjoy
Albert

#47 From: "paleosearch" <paleosearch@...>
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:09 pm
Subject:: Re: fossil sites within greater sydney suburban region
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--- In fossilclubgroup@..., "jillyonly1"
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Hi Jill,
Here is what Ross Dearing comments about what John said in his reply
to you.

Albert, we visited the site some years back in conjunction with a
trip to Coonabarabran.  It is a reserve and one is not allowed to
collect from there.  Interesting that a trench is about to be dug
(depending on how current this information is), Ian Percival may be
able to tell us more on Thursday night.  The trips mentioned are
presumably Gondwana Dreaming which are expensive (I understand) and
you are not allowed to keep anything you find (we have picked up a
few members who joined after having been on a GD trip).  From
memory, NP&WS manages the site and will accompany visitors to it
(the site itself is on private property).

Albert Sequeira


> Hi everyone,
> I'm unable to go regularly to country digs with the Fossil Club,
which
> is disappointing, as I had a great long weekend at Yass last year
and
> a wonderful time at Mulbring with the Club. In Sydney the closest
site
> we have visited is North Avalon ...found some rock with fern
fronds.
> My question is: does anyone know of any sites within the greater
> Sydney suburban region (I live in Cremorne, not far from the Zoo)
> where you can still gain access legally, which of course excludes
> national parks. Someone told me that the brickworks site in Mobbs
Lane
> at Epping is still operable and permission may be given to enter
their
> site..I'll follow that up..Apparently so many sites have closed
down,
> but any information would be greatly appreciated.Thanks, and keep
> digging!! Jill Harrison
>


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