Dom, welcome to the group. I have expressed a similar line of thought re a stretched / maybe wider windward hull for the Elementarry. The Elementarry concept is great for all the reasons you have outlined. In my view the windward hull could be tweaked without spoiling the concept. I wouldnt play with Rob/Mark's original rig ideas too much ie schooner or balestron options.

Ironically the camper version is closer to the original weight to windward argument first proposed by Joseph Norwood and adapted by Rob in all the other Harry designs.

regards, Paul 

-----Original Message-----
From:   dominiquebovey [SMTP:dominiquebovey@...]
Sent:   Friday, 7 January 2005 10:20 AM
To:     harryproa@...
Subject:        [harryproa] Elementarry micro-cruiser




Another variant of the Elemetarry has also been nagging at my mind.
The "camper" version is Ok for two adults, but I am afraid that with
two kids (OK, small - 4 and 7 - but growing) you cannot foresee much
cruising with it.

This is why I doodled about a heavier ww hull, a kind of shrunk
harrigami ww hull, with only
- two double bunks,
- sitting height in the middle,
- 30L of water,
- a small gas (or spirit because of the regulations) cooker,
- a porta potti,
- 50Ah of battery powered by solar panels,
- LED lighting (including nav lights),
- just a GPS and VHF.
Simple but a place where he whole family can sleep if it is raining,
or where the kids (and wife) can escape when the sea gets a bit rough:
I don't see this in the camper. You can even add an igloo tent on the
trampoline if you wish.

A small and easy boat to cruise from corsica to elba and islands
around and maybe back to france when the weather permits (single
handed or with a friend). 

An 4-8hp 4-stroke outboard for when there is really no wind: yes you
can be stuck without wind middle in between corsica and the continent,
and you NEED to move when that hi-speed ferryboat aims a you at
45knots... But in this case a good paddle is operated by shere
motivation so the OB is optional for the brave ones...

Oh and a precision: I own a small car whose total trailer weight is
700kg max, but I want to limit it to 550kg or so. So total (light)
displacement for the boat around 350kgs, that is 220-240kgs for the ww
hull: feasible for something like that? 

Ww hull length/width: 5.5mx2.1m in order to be able to trail with only
telescoping the boat, not dismounting it. It would be stored either
near home (in the winter) or on a beach cat parking space in the
marina by the lake, and maneuvered in and out the water on a ramp each
time I go sailing on the lake: so no need of a mooring place which is
impossible to find (10-25yr waiting list) or extremely expensive
(CHF4000/yr!). I saw an 8m tri weighing easily 70-800kg, which is used
that way.

The width of the ww hull is to allow full double bunks in the width of
the boat.

For the rig, naturally one needs sails that can be reefed. Maybe on
the original masts that hold 10m2 each but that maybe a bit low to
move the boat. Or cruising sails on the same 11m-high masts than the
Turbo Elementarry I proposed in a separate thread, mere dacron sails
with not much roach, 2 reeves each. One needs to keep the sidestays
with the long masts (10 or 11m).

Finally this micro-cruiser ww hull should be compatible and
interchangeable with the "bare" and the "camper" ww hull, naturally.

Whoddyall think'a that?

Dominique






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