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Re: [harryproa] Re: Design questions

Hi Richard,
 
If you have been considering an F32 then the Visionarry would seem cavernous. Trimarans are fine craft but relatively expensive. They also have one of the shorter hulls doing most of the work and the other is always redundant.
 
If I understand your needs correctly then the 'Blind Date" style Visionarry may suit your needs. She has covered outside seating and is much simpler, therefore lighter, cheaper and quicker to build.
 
I don't think the winglets would be necessary. We prefer clean bows to allow water to shed easily. As the bows are very long you could still run nets out to them, though I doubt you would feel the need once you have seen how much room there is already.
 
It would certainly be good to have a Visionarry sailing in Sumatra! We use Kiri wood which has a S.G. of .29 with Western Red Cedar being around .38. Teak is usually much too heavy for strip planking and too oily for gluing.
 
Regards,
Mark
 
 
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From: jocroome
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Subject: [harryproa] Re: Design questions

--- In harryproa@..., "Robert" <cateran1949@y...> wrote:
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> I am not sure as to how to call you as you haven't signed your email
> but hi anyway, I have thought some similar things and discussed some of
them with
> Mark for the Harry I plan to build...


Hi Robert, sorry for not signing off. Richard here, signed in on my wife's yahoo
account. Thanks for that info.  I can live with the narrow waterline ww hull.
Having looked at the Visionarry, I think it is probrably a better option for me as
I will have 2 kids with me as well for the forseeable future and the build time is
similar to the Farrier F32 which I am also considering, though it should be a
lot cheaper to build since there is no need for all that deck hardware,
chainplates etc.

I liked the original Harry design where seating was provided outside on the
deck. Maybe the Visionarry could be adapted similarly but with a cover, i.e.
extend the cockpit  around the leeside of the windward hull), since I live in the
tropics and shade is a must.

I was also thinking maybe the bows/sterns could have a wing constructed
similarly to the Farriers to allow the netting to be extend to the bows. It would
need to be the large web variety to let the waves through, but that's OK. It
would make the "play" area huge. It would need to make allowances for the
rudders being lifted though. Just a thought.

I'm probrably never going to get to see a Harryproa in the flesh until I build
one as I live in Sumatra, which reminds me, they have a teak here (no cedar
from what I can gather), that I an get hold of, I'm just wondering if it will be too
heavy / light. What is the minimum wood density for building, do you know?

Thanks again.

Richard




 
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Hi, I have been researching multi designs to build for a while now (Wharram, Woods, Kellsell, Shuttleworth & Farrier) and really like the Harryproa concept. It...
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Hi Richard, If you have been considering an F32 then the Visionarry would seem cavernous. Trimarans are fine craft but relatively expensive. They also have one...
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... cavernous. Robert- I was staggered by the spaciouseness of the Visionarry when I saw it in the flesh. My wife fell in love with it but I felt that I could ...
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... Hi Robert, Now I'm getting really excited. I also just got my copy of Multihull World in the post today. Both the Visonarry's look fantastic, super quick....
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Hi Mark and all the others who responded to my query. Thank you all for your contributions. Sorry, but somehow they didn't appear or I wasn't looking properly...
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G'day, The epoxies suffering from amine blush (mostly the 4 and 5:1 types) are a pain in humid conditions. The 2:1 types are usually ok. What you do need to...
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