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That's Kiwi dollars. All I did was take the harrigami list and add 10%, then I
went and priced the more expensive items locally. For the rest I increased the
Harrigami price by the same proportion. At this stage I assume there will be a
number of items it will be cheaper to buy from Rob and ship, but haven't got
that far yet. Also there is a strong argument in favour of Rob building the
mast. What I was after here was an answer to "can I afford it?".
My personal situation now revolves around a commercial real estate deal,
either it will be all go in 2-3 months or I'll be in the poor house.
I also need to have a long conversation with Rob if it does happen to try and
decide which permutation of Harry to end up with. Currently (subject to
change) Harry in Kiri with the una rig (only one mast to build, but is it
FAST?) I think if you are going to build something radically different it has
to be very fast.



------ Original Message ------
Received: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 04:30:05 PM MST
From: carlos Solanilla <carlosproacarlos@...>
To: harryproa@...
Subject: Re: [harryproa] Materials list

when you say $19.9K is is Aus or NZ? and is this procuring the materials from
Rob's guys to be placed on a container or procuring the matrials yourself?


thanks!!!

Prices do not include tax, Total sailing $19,868.10
$26,949

oceanplodder2003 <dana-tenacity@...> wrote:
I'll try pasting it here, format is lost but you should be able to
figure it out. Mast and boom figures are pretty much a guess. This
leaves me a little room to manouvre but not much.


Prices do not include tax, or freight from Perth.

plus10% in $NZ NZ Quote
Item cost
8mm Paulonia sq m 770 $920 1200

420 double bias sq m 984 1176 1320

6mm ply sheet 80 95 112
440 gsm uni sq m 120 143 172

9mm ply sheet 45 54 75
3.6mm ply sheet 30 36 33.75
4732.75
Resin kgs 1320 1578 1820 Total to
this point $5118 or 28% increase
polystyrene slab 32 38 From here
added 28%
Glue powder 10 litres 17 20 thus
1802 x 28% = 2306
Filler powder 10 kgs 80 95
Suspect will be hard to match ,
fiiler glue and paint prices from early investigations, still looking
20 l (5.25 gals) epoxy primer 200 239

16l (4.25 gals) lpu top coat 256 306

trampoline 100 120

1 box short screws 10 12

1 box long screws 10 12

Rudder bearings 4*$35 200 239

Mast bearings 2*80 200 239

5 Sheaves 10 12

14m 8mm (5/16") alloy rod 56 67

4 horn cleats 8 10

3 medium cam cleats 72 86

halyards 33m (110') 6mm (1/4")spectra 99 118
How high is the
mast????
shrouds 18m (60') 8mm (5/16") spectra 84.6 100

main sheet 16m (53') 10mm (3/8)polyester 32 38

VB cord 10m 12.5 15
Carbon tow 60m (200') 30 36 5118

Champagne for launching 10 2306


Total for hulls and beams 4,868.10 5804
7424 Build
mast,boom,rudders myself
professionally built mast 7,000
8000AU=8700nz Plus Shipping
boom 500 765
rudders 1,500 2300 3921

dacron sails/f/glass battens 3,500 4500

plans 2,500 3250

Prices do not include tax, Total sailing $19,868.10
$26,949 19105
or freight from Perth.
$19105 is my best guess if I do
everything myself, excludes those things noted.



NOTE
1) Consumables (sandpaper, jig saw blades, vinegar, gloves, brushes
and rollers) are not included as the quantitiy used varies between
builders.

2) Frame and set up material is not included. 5 sheets of 16mm mdf,
plus 60m of 200x100 (200' of 4x2) cheap lumber should be plenty.


3) Tools are not included. See article on Harry for what is required.


4) We are working on a technique for amateurs to build the mast. If
successful, this will lower the mast cost to $1,500, and the overall
cost to $14,500


Any questions, please ask. Any criticisms, or faults, let me know. It
is far easier to fix things now than later (Contact Rob).


Not included Antifouling
Electrical?
Hatches
Windows
Stove
Toilet (bucket)
Outboard
Foam, bunks

How do you attach tramps?






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That's Kiwi dollars. All I did was take the harrigami list and add 10%, then I went and priced the more expensive items locally. For the rest I increased the ...
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Part of the problem is to know whether you are comparing apples with orangutans. That price for paulonia is raw planks, need to be dressed and cut. Don't know...
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From my own minimal experience, it is more important to get reasonably accurate dimensions rather than finish as you are going to sand a lot of it away. If you...
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Hi Robert and All, I'd think a HarryProa wuld be easily built in tortured ply technic for much less money, labor, weight. Any reason why it wasn't used? In it...
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I believe there are a number of folks who would like to try tortured ply, cylinder moulding, and KSS construction, but aren't sure about how to replicate some...
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By the time you buy good quality ply, resin impregnate with a protective glass skin and glue and glass joints, I couldn't get much cheaper and certainly not...
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<< I actually prefer the resilience of the polycore to the strength of the Kiri as tests I have read indicate it is better under collision>> I think that kiri...
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-You have longitudinal strength in triaxial where needed and extra uni in concentrated areas. A bit of movement in the structure shouldn't matter provided the...
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<<You have longitudinal strength in triaxial where needed... Don't really see how a resin filled seam weakens the structure as it is part of the web of the I...
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... integrity ... This is a good point. I have been trying to work out systems to look after that the KSS system is one method and the vertical panelling ...
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By the time you buy good quality ply, resin impregnate with a protective glass skin and glue and glass joints, I couldn't get much cheaper and certainly not...
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G'day First, a belated welcome to the group. Great to have someone of your experience on board. My first proa was tortured ply. Worked well. The first Harry...
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Hi Rob and All, ... your experience on board. Thanks, I try to help where I can. ... actually bending ply (2 thick outer softwood veneers, a middle very thin...
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Thanks for the detailed description of what you've been doing. If you want to find a wider-interest discussion group in which to post further details, I'd...
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Oops. Got the Harryproa link wrong in the previous post. http://www.harryproa.com ... Thanks for the detailed description of what you've been doing. If you...
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I would be very interested in hearing more about your Proa's, design and construction.... performance... lol... tell all... the more details the better. :) ...
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wow that is low cost - do you have any pics? jerry freedomev <freedomev@...> wrote: Hi Robert and All, I'd think a HarryProa wuld be...
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The plan is to glass one side of the Polycore first to make it stiff enough to hold it's shape. The big saving will be the lack of fairing as it will come off...
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G'day, The best way to buy kiri is in big planks and either cut it down on your own saw bench or get a timber shop to cut it. The finish off the saw will be...
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G'day, Getting the mast and materials from us, maybe the beams as well will make shipping sense. Good luck with the real estate. Look forward to the...
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G'day, No need to shape the edges, especially as there is a fair bit of taper on a lot of them. Polycore is indeed fascinating. It has a fluffy scrim bonded...
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