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From my own minimal experience, it is more important to get
reasonably accurate dimensions rather than finish as you are going to
sand a lot of it away. If you are cutting the planks yourself you can
get three different widths according to curvature and make the
chamfered edge at the same time. If you really want to be fancy, you
can glue all the strips to full length and taper and chamfer them
before you start and almost completely avoid cheaters.
Techniques for using polyprop honeycomb are on the nidacore site. It
is worth while looking at the impact testing of polyprop honeycomb
sandwic compared with balsa core. A great lump of RSJ was hoisted up
to the heoght of the shed roof and dropped onto the sandwiches. The
polycore caused the RSJ to bouce up into the air without damage while
the balsa fore fractured. I believe, though I haven't tried it with
polycore that a hot iron can put creases into the face of one side
to control bending and also to provide resin channels for resin
infusion. I think it well worth using vacuum bagging to reduce weight
and impove adhesion for high stress areas but at a price of extra
consumables and effort but I am in two minds about infusion.
The difference in price is not worth hassling over. I'd be tempted to
use poulonia in the high stress areas to save on glass and polycore
in the flat, low stress areas to save on time and weight

home.houston.rr.com/pieceofwork/index.htm is a good website to check
out

congratulations about having suport from your boss for the project.
Good luck wit the finances.
regards,
Robert
--- In harryproa@..., David Howie <dana-tenacity@u...>
wrote:
>
>
> Part of the problem is to know whether you are comparing apples with
> orangutans. That price for paulonia is raw planks, need to be
dressed and cut.
> Don't know whether the planks are to be cambered on the edges. Poly
sounds
> fascinating, lots of unanswered questions, how does anything bond
to it? can
> an amateur work it successfully.
> Speaking of amateur I started off thinking I knew something about
this boat
> stuff, but the deeper I dig the less I know.
> Pity there isn't somebody else nearby who was thinking of building
a Harry.
> Trying to talk my wife into a trip to Aus when Bain's boat hits the
water
> (presumptive of me isn't it?), she doesn't think much of Aus, but
she has
> given the project the green light if the funding happens.
>
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> Received: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 06:26:30 PM MST
> From: "Robert" <cateran1949@y...>
> To: harryproa@...
> Subject: [harryproa] Re: Materials list
>
> I couldn't get near that price for Poulonia. Suspect rob can get
much
> better prices on glass and carbon. Probably worth the freight. May
have
> to wait on carbon till the shortage is overcome and prices
approximate
> manufacturing costs rather than scarcity. Can you give areas of
> materials to allow comparisons?
> My calculations for polycore are with no ply, larger cockpit/saloon
and
> a cockpit cover like Bain's.
> Overall calculations are not that different. I get in the order of
$30k
> sailaway with schooner rig, including consumables. only $10k for
basic
> boat materials.
> Regards,
> Robert
>
> --- In harryproa@..., "oceanplodder2003" <dana-
> tenacity@u...> wrote:
> >
> > OK it's in files now.
> > >
> >
>








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Part of the problem is to know whether you are comparing apples with orangutans. That price for paulonia is raw planks, need to be dressed and cut. Don't know...
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From my own minimal experience, it is more important to get reasonably accurate dimensions rather than finish as you are going to sand a lot of it away. If you...
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Hi Robert and All, I'd think a HarryProa wuld be easily built in tortured ply technic for much less money, labor, weight. Any reason why it wasn't used? In it...
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I believe there are a number of folks who would like to try tortured ply, cylinder moulding, and KSS construction, but aren't sure about how to replicate some...
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By the time you buy good quality ply, resin impregnate with a protective glass skin and glue and glass joints, I couldn't get much cheaper and certainly not...
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<< I actually prefer the resilience of the polycore to the strength of the Kiri as tests I have read indicate it is better under collision>> I think that kiri...
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-You have longitudinal strength in triaxial where needed and extra uni in concentrated areas. A bit of movement in the structure shouldn't matter provided the...
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<<You have longitudinal strength in triaxial where needed... Don't really see how a resin filled seam weakens the structure as it is part of the web of the I...
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... integrity ... This is a good point. I have been trying to work out systems to look after that the KSS system is one method and the vertical panelling ...
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By the time you buy good quality ply, resin impregnate with a protective glass skin and glue and glass joints, I couldn't get much cheaper and certainly not...
Robert
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G'day First, a belated welcome to the group. Great to have someone of your experience on board. My first proa was tortured ply. Worked well. The first Harry...
Rob Denney
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Hi Rob and All, ... your experience on board. Thanks, I try to help where I can. ... actually bending ply (2 thick outer softwood veneers, a middle very thin...
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Thanks for the detailed description of what you've been doing. If you want to find a wider-interest discussion group in which to post further details, I'd...
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Oops. Got the Harryproa link wrong in the previous post. http://www.harryproa.com ... Thanks for the detailed description of what you've been doing. If you...
Mike Crawford
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I would be very interested in hearing more about your Proa's, design and construction.... performance... lol... tell all... the more details the better. :) ...
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wow that is low cost - do you have any pics? jerry freedomev <freedomev@...> wrote: Hi Robert and All, I'd think a HarryProa wuld be...
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Mar 3, 2006
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The plan is to glass one side of the Polycore first to make it stiff enough to hold it's shape. The big saving will be the lack of fairing as it will come off...
Rob Denney
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Mar 4, 2006
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G'day, The best way to buy kiri is in big planks and either cut it down on your own saw bench or get a timber shop to cut it. The finish off the saw will be...
Rob Denney
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G'day, Getting the mast and materials from us, maybe the beams as well will make shipping sense. Good luck with the real estate. Look forward to the...
Rob Denney
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G'day, No need to shape the edges, especially as there is a fair bit of taper on a lot of them. Polycore is indeed fascinating. It has a fluffy scrim bonded...
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