Sign In
New User? Sign Up
harryproa
? Already a member? Sign in to Yahoo!7

Yahoo!7 Groups Tips

Did you know...
You can search the group for older messages.

Messages

  Messages Help
Advanced
rudder depth   Message List  
Reply | Forward Message #1814 of 6632 |
Re: [harryproa] Re: rudder depth

Like everything, the strake is worth a try.
 
I have not done so as I have had no problems with either tracking (apart from the single rudder being too far forward, which is only a low speed problem) or leeway prevention.  Give it a shot and see what happens.  I would a) do it after sailing so you can compare b) not spend a lot of time making it perfect, so you won't mind so much pulling it off.
 
regards,
 
rob
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:29 PM
Subject: [harryproa] Re: rudder depth

-Makes a lot of sense. The whole box breaking away reduces the chance
of the rudders jamming under the crossbeams during a collision,
especially if you could have a top fuse that gave way before a bottom
fuse.

I've been thinking of whether it might be worth increasing the
tracking and leeway prevention by a rubbing strake (about 10-15mm) on
the bottom with a sharp edge to lw and faired to ww (a small strip of
aluminium channel on a jarcat has shown to be as effective as
minikeels) and/or having a slight V to the bows. The strake would not
prevent the ends moving to ww under rudder and the slight V may also
help in short sharp chop at speed, and if widened above slightly,
could help in the release of the stern. I am assuming the use of two
rudders would overcome the extra resistance to turning but realise it
would probably slow shunting
regards,
robert

-- In harryproa@..., "Mark Stephens" <stephens@o...>
wrote:
>
> I'm intending to cut 500mm from the bottom of the Visionarry
rudders. I'm redesigning and rebuilding the boxes so I will angle the
blade more forward to retain the balance. They will basically work
the same as before except the whole rudder box will break away when
the shear pins break, leaving behind the pivot shaft and quadrant.
This way I can use most of the same components as before avoiding a
total rebuild. This is still the best option until the drum rudders
prove themselves.
>
> Mark
>
>
> Mark Stephens
> www.harryproa.com
> 0431 486814
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Robert
>   To: harryproa@...
>   Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 8:33 PM
>   Subject: [harryproa] rudder depth
>
>
>   with the tracking ability shown by success of the single rudder
>   elementarry, is it possible that the rudders on the Visionarry
don't
>   need to be as deep. A 10% decrease in depth would be  a 10%
decrease in
>   wetted area and about an 18% decrease in the load on the rudder
>   supports.
>   regards,
>   Robert
>
>
>
>
>
>   
>   Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>   
>
>
>
>
>
>   --
>   Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
>   Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
>   Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.15.10/263 - Release Date:
16/02/2006
>






Fri Mar 3, 2006 8:33 am

proaharry
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email

Forward
Message #1814 of 6632 |
Expand Messages Author Sort by Date

with the tracking ability shown by success of the single rudder elementarry, is it possible that the rudders on the Visionarry don't need to be as deep. A 10%...
Robert
cateran1949
Offline Send Email
Mar 1, 2006
9:39 am

I'm intending to cut 500mm from the bottom of the Visionarry rudders. I'm redesigning and rebuilding the boxes so I will angle the blade more forward to retain...
Mark Stephens
markstephens...
Offline Send Email
Mar 2, 2006
11:48 am

-Makes a lot of sense. The whole box breaking away reduces the chance of the rudders jamming under the crossbeams during a collision, especially if you could...
Robert
cateran1949
Offline Send Email
Mar 2, 2006
1:32 pm

Like everything, the strake is worth a try. I have not done so as I have had no problems with either tracking (apart from the single rudder being too far...
Rob Denney
proaharry
Offline Send Email
Mar 3, 2006
8:48 am

The main reason for the breakaway box is to have the shear pins across the front of the pivot shaft. This way they are only loaded during a collision and take...
Mark Stephens
markstephens...
Offline Send Email
Mar 4, 2006
11:12 pm

Possibly I am not getting a true perspective, mainly relying on pictures, but I imagined that if only partly down and the top front of the box was still...
Robert
cateran1949
Offline Send Email
Mar 5, 2006
8:42 am

What you say is true so there is a timber strake on the beam for protection. I think it unlikely the rudder would jam though. Mark Mark Stephens ...
Mark Stephens
markstephens...
Offline Send Email
Mar 5, 2006
11:45 pm

Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Australia & NZ Pty Ltd. All rights reserved.
Privacy Policy - Terms of Service - Guidelines - Help