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Re: twin masts

-Thanks All for the discussion,
I have been thinking of ways to control the flow from the sail on the
foremast to the sail on the aft mast and I think it possible to
develop a slot that can benefit the aft sail using almost rectangular
sails with the mast leaning forward ~10 degrees. I have developed a
preliminary design that may work with not to many strings. I also
have a preliminary design for the structure and the construction of
the free standing mast kinked just above the top bearing. The mast is
made in half section, straight to the start of the bend,
the forward and aft carbon srips are bent to the required curvature
and the side strips are continued in a slow wrap towards the front.
From the base new strips go straight until they hit the bend and then
do a slow wrap forward. This gives overlap at the bend and extra
reinforcing at the point of greatest stress. It is certainly more
work than a straight one, but doable.
Robert




-- In harryproa@..., "Rob Denney" <proa@t...> wrote:
> G'day,
> Good point. First off, for a given sail area on a boat without
heeling
> moment or sail area constraints, a non jib rig is fastest. eg
Formula 40
> multis, A class cats.
>
> My opinion is that the differences are that the luff of the main
is near
> enough the same distance from the leech of the headsail all the way
up, and
> the air off the headsail is constrained in where it can go.
>
> On a schooner rig, the luff of the aft sail is not paralell to the
leech of
> the foresail, making trimming very difficult, and if there is any
> seperation, the air has a chance to become messy in it's flow, thus
not
> having the same amount of energy to impart as it originally had.
>
> I guess a schooner rig with near rectangular sails mounted very
close to
> each other, may be the best way to go.
>
> I could be wrong!
>
> Regards,
>
> Rob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert" <cateran1949@y...>
> To: <harryproa@...>
> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 3:09 PM
> Subject: [harryproa] Re: twin masts
>
>
> > I am curious about the difference between the dirty air from a
wing
> > sail with minimal standing rigging and the slot from a jib.
> > Robert Dalton
> >
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G'day, Good point. First off, for a given sail area on a boat without heeling moment or sail area constraints, a non jib rig is fastest. eg Formula 40 ...
Rob Denney
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Sep 1, 2003
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-Thanks All for the discussion, I have been thinking of ways to control the flow from the sail on the foremast to the sail on the aft mast and I think it...
Robert
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Sep 2, 2003
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- Correction It should have read "a slow wrap aft" ... the ... rectangular ... is ... then ... way ... the ... thus...
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good day robert ... I have been thinking of ways to control the flow from the sail on the foremast to the sail on the aft mast and I think it possible to ...
fritz roth
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good day rob ... Good point. First off, for a given sail area on a boat without heeling moment or sail area constraints, a non jib rig is fastest. eg...
fritz roth
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Hi, Regarding point 2 below. There is a common misconception amongst sailors about the slot effect between sails. As I understand it the mainsail does not...
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--Insects have been arguing over four wings or two for millions of years. In their case I have been told vortex lift is important. It would be interesting to...
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good day ... you try a traditional mailsail by itself with the mast turbulenz from having the groove straight on the back from the profile and then say angain...
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good day --Insects have been arguing over four wings or two for millions of years. In their case I have been told vortex lift is important. an " aeroplane or...
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you try a traditional mailsail by itself with the mast turbulenz from having the groove straight on the back from the profile and then say angain that there is...
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good day you try a traditional mailsail by itself with the mast turbulenz from having the groove straight on the back from the profile and then say angain that...
fritz roth
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... due to a venturi effect between the sails which speeds up the air giving more lift the the mainsail. ... This is all fundamentaly important stuff for the...
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Sep 5, 2003
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... FWIW, last year I went to a Royal Aeronautical Society lecture on this subject by a Cambridge professor who was introduced as one of the world's leading...
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... Which facts are we refering to? There has been a lot of opinion expressed, but no factual support - unless I've missed something, the works of Marchaj,...
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good day everyone ... Which facts are we refering to? There has been a lot of opinion expressed, but no factual support - unless I've missed something, the...
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good day ...... ... FWIW, last year I went to a Royal Aeronautical Society lecture on this subject by a Cambridge professor who was introduced as one of the...
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good day ... sailing bulletin, aerodynamics is for the design of cruising boats a very important aspect since it will decrease the need for a large sail area ...
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Sep 6, 2003
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... speed ... Aerodynamics gets proven out in the field. I see little racing or cruising evidence, short of the non-stop around the world gang that there is...
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good day ... cruising evidence, short of the non-stop around the world gang that there is any comvincing advantage to twin in line spars. you should never...
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... are ... There is an old saying that a lawyer who defends himself has a fool for a client. That's a little severe for a designer. But anyone can design...
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good day ... for a client. then you are all fools ? That's a little severe for a designer. But anyone can design somethign they like themselves... before I...
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... This is evidence of the same problem: If all you have to do is please yourself, go ahead an polute or whatever maximizes your interests. The thing that...
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good day ! ... This is evidence of the same problem: If all you have to do is please yourself, go ahead an polute or whatever maximizes your interests. I am...
fritz roth
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... And sales lesson number two on how to appear inteligent to folks who feel as you do: 1) agree with them; 2) restate their main point; 3) close sale. It's...
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... feel as you do: 1) agree with them; 2) restate their main point; 3) close sale. It's human nature to think people who agree with you are inteligent. 1,2,3...
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