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Re: Mast raising

OK, I think that answers the original question. I have no intention of
trailering Harry, just need to get the components from home to the
local yard and assembled, was just trying to avoid the cost of a
crane. I'm lucky that there are very cheap moorings available just
around the corner from home, where I hope Harry will live.
What about the dimensions of the rig ?

--- In harryproa@..., "rattus32" <mike@g...> wrote:
>
> --- In harryproa@..., "Robert" <cateran1949@y...> wrote:
> >
> > -G'day Mike
> > I was thinking on similar lines but don't se much problem holding up
> > the ww hull. There is not an enormous weight off centre and a
> > vertical bit of box section on the ww side triangulated at the base
> > should provide enough support for the hull with a couple of tie down
> > straps to hold it against. Either that and/or a support under the
> > junction of the wing deck and hull. This would have to be to the lw
> > side of the c of g.of the www hull on its own.
> > If the crossbeams had a temporary controlling system such as a
> > farrier wishbone with a sleeve to allow sliding of the crossbeam, or
> > even a complete folding system as designed by Jim Shanahan then the
> > only difficulty is moving the lw hulls off the trailer and onto a
> > trolley as everything else can be controlled with a couple of
> > winches. Jim's system makes a lot of sense and would even allow
> > righting from a complete overturning.
> > My personal preference is to launch a folded system where the boat
> > can then be brought side on to shore and the mast then inserted-
> > possibly with sail attached. The crossbeams get winched out with
> > water supporting the system and you're away.
> > I have tried to imagine taking the folded boat out onto the water
> > and inserting the mast from the water. It seems theoretically
> > possible but would probably be excessively difficult in practice.
> > ...
>
> Robert, do you have a link or reference to the Jim Shanahan folding
system you mentioned
> here? Googling "Jim Shanahan folding system" yields nothing
interesting, at least on this
> subject.
>
> Been thinking along similar lines, although with a Farrier-style
link system (properly
> referred to as a 4-bar linkage) and sleeve to join the beam halves.
Keeping the whole
> assembly upright during unfolding might be an interesting challenge,
though ;-)
>
> One other question: Mike, where was the source that gave you the
absolute unescorted
> trailer width requirement in the US? Been looking for that
information for a while; have
> resorted to corresponding with individual states in the meantime. I
also tape-measured a
> large bulldozer at a stop here in Colorado once, it was very close
to 12 feet wide and
> entirely escort-free.
>
> This is a fun problem!
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
>








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Would it be possible on the 12 m Harry to take just the LW hull, insert the crossbeams, tip the whole thing on its side, insert the mast horizontally, then...
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Jun 30, 2006
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<< Would it be possible... using the crossbeams for leverage, pop it back up.>> I believe this is how Rob stepped the masts on Harrigami: ...
Mike Crawford
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Jul 2, 2006
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Saw that, my concern was at what mast length would it become an issue, considering that if I go for Rob's una rig I'm assuming the mast must be taller, and I...
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If you can keep that leeward hull in place as it rotates from horizontal to vertical, then there shouldn't be any problem with the size of the mast. Given the...
Mike Crawford
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Jul 3, 2006
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-G'day Mike I was thinking on similar lines but don't se much problem holding up the ww hull. There is not an enormous weight off centre and a vertical bit of...
Robert
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Jul 3, 2006
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Hey Robert, How is the new job? The support system you describe should work well if the lw hull is stored upright next to the ww hull on the trailer. For a...
Mike Crawford
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Jul 3, 2006
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-G'day Mike, I am not sure what job I was about to do but the present one of lecturing on plant physiology means I am supposed to be re writing a prac manual...
Robert
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Jul 4, 2006
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I'm glad to hear you're writing about proas instead of plant physiology. I'm supposed to be debugging a software package now, but this is definitely more...
Mike Crawford
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Jul 4, 2006
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... Robert, do you have a link or reference to the Jim Shanahan folding system you mentioned here? Googling "Jim Shanahan folding system" yields nothing...
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Jul 3, 2006
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OK, I think that answers the original question. I have no intention of trailering Harry, just need to get the components from home to the local yard and...
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Jul 4, 2006
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This is a confidential system that Jim gave me a model of. You would have to ask him. ALl I can say is that it as far as the folding part goes and its strength...
Robert
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Jul 4, 2006
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<< One other question: Mike, where was the source that gave you the absolute unescorted trailer width requirement in the US?>> Each state is different, and the...
Mike Crawford
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Jul 4, 2006
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This is going to make one heck of a video when the first one works. PCKing ... From: "Mike Crawford" <jmichael@...> To: <harryproa@...> ...
PCKing
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Jul 3, 2006
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How would the boat float with the hull on its side like you describe? Cheers, Peter ... From: Mike Crawford To: harryproa@... Sent: Monday, July...
Peter Southwood
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Jul 3, 2006
12:55 pm

That's a good question. The Harry leeward hulls would probably happily float on their sides for a while, but fortunately that's not the goal here. The lw hull...
Mike Crawford
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Jul 4, 2006
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Hi, One thing to remember when thinking about folding boats is all the extra bits and pieces that the bridgedeck carries. A Farrier system can be relatively...
Mark Stepehens
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Jul 3, 2006
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I would definitely go the Blind Date approach as you describe, or even simpler, but that would still leave the cockpit benches and floor to contend with, not...
Mike Crawford
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Jul 4, 2006
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... trailer Visionarry I suspect will remain a dream. It is a very big boat. If you only intend to trailer a few times a year you may be better off building a...
Jim Shanahan
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Blind Date was easily put together in one day by two people earlier this summer. Hulls are on separate dollies, very simple supports on wheels. We rented a...
Rudolf vd Brug
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Jul 4, 2006
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Thank you for sharing this information -- there's nothing like having actual data. Two people for one day is quite impressive. Despite the "less than two...
Mike Crawford
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Jul 4, 2006
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How do you secure the beams to each hull so they don't slip back? DO you have a pin through it or a series of fasteners? Mike Crawford <jmichael@...>...
carlos Solanilla
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Jul 4, 2006
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We use turnbuckles though Mark suggested a rope lashing. Rudolf ... From: carlos Solanilla To: harryproa@... Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:29...
Rudolf vd Brug
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Jul 4, 2006
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turnbuckles to a wire I presume? - interesting Rudolf vd Brug <rpvdb@...> wrote: We use turnbuckles though Mark suggested a rope lashing. Rudolf ...
carlos Solanilla
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Jul 4, 2006
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Turnbuckles connected to padeyes on both the hulls and the beams. ... From: carlos Solanilla To: harryproa@... Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006...
Rudolf vd Brug
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Jul 5, 2006
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A Visionarry is brought in sinlgle handed towards the waiting trailer. The skipper casually pulls two pins, the boat folds and the bows locate in the trailer...
Mark Stepehens
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Jul 6, 2006
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The rig is lying supported by the water, easily removed from the hull,lashed to lw hull and after bringing the boat and trailer into the car park is lifted...
Robert
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Jul 7, 2006
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